Hi Cam, Firstly, thanks for the purchase. I’ll give you some backstory as to why I chose this bike to buy. When the TCR first came out in this frame set, I always loved the look and most importantly the weight. I previously owned a Propel with an ISP and when I saw this for sale I had no hesitations. All I had to do was get some spacers from giant for 35$ and raise the seat 2cm to fit my leg length. Finally, as I mentioned , I had sold my previous P5 and Propel as I wanted to fund my wife’s triathlon ambitions with a new P-series TT bike. Due to illness over the past few years I’ve been hesitant to drop a bundle on a expensive bike only to be sidelined all over again. This is the perfect price point for a performance bike that I can train on locally or race every now and then if need be. Thanks again for the bike, it’s everything I need, and I’m clearly visible on the road now!! Tom.

I had a Giant TCR with ISP in 2006.....one of the best bikes I have ever ridden even to today. Sold it eventually without too many hassles although it will always be a complication Vs normal seat post. The TCR just down from the flagship ISP model is the answer if you don’t want an ISP - TCR Advanced Pro......basically same bike with normal seat post . Awesome machine

Totally agree, ISP is just not user friendly at all. There a line where more performance, less weight or whatever gain doesnt compensate for how practical thing are. Another example would be pressfit vs threaded bottom bracket.

it's always a pleasure to see your videos! Greetings from Bauru-São Paulo-Brazil.

I would never buy a bike with an integrated post. I'm not a pro and don't need that stiffness.

Even the Pinarello F12 Dogma, a close to $10k frame has an adjustable seat post. I don’t buy into Giants argument. But I do like the look...

I just sold a Cannondale Synapse carbon rim brake in 1 day. Demand is there for used bikes but ISP is a sales killer. When you sell your bike, your potential buyers are limited to people with your saddle height or less. People don't want to cut their frames and ISP is integral to the frame. Standard seatposts come in huge ranges of up/down and fore/aft adjustment options, unlike seat mast toppers.

Giant released the 2021 models of TCRs about 5 weeks ago and giant have a carbon composite confidence warranty . Ride It. Race It. Don’t Worry About it: We’ve Got You Covered. And last is probably the ISP seat post but you can buy a seat clamp or spacers to get the right height.

Piano music works 60% of the time every-time. Keep it coming Cam.

Another quality informative video Cam. Loved the colour of the TCR👍

absolute Lee moment

I bought the exact same '16 TCR advanced SL and LOOOOOVVEEE it to bits, in fact i get ppl who have 2020 Giant TCR's coming over to squiz at mine, all i can guess is it must be the colour or the ISP! Love your stuff Cam.

No worries mate! I'm on it. I've sent the sectional profile of the ISP of the new 2021 TCR staight to Darimo. The plan? They'll produce a D shaped seatpost for the TCR that will bring it very close to ISP weights.

when you want it to go bang... it goes BANG...BANGGGGGGGGGGG

Next to the piano music the crazy guy on the Giant was well worth watching!

Also, the 2021 TCR just came out (although GVA has been seen with it pre COVID) and it's a brand new version of the bike (the 9th iteration in the TCR's history).

Yup, ISP. One reason I got a Breadwinner Lolo instead of a Speedvagen.

Ive got a giant defy advanced with a d-fuse seat post and quite like it, not sure the trade off in stiffness/ weight but looks pretty good

Really enjoyed the video Cam as usual, and the piano music adds in a big way! Second hand, all this ISP worry creates a tremendous value proposition for those of us too cheap to purchase at retail price! Buy low sell low lol. Another glass half full benefit is lack of post slip! BAAANG is right, the SL just rips!

I just purchased a TCR Pro 1 2020 because of your videos. Super happy with the bike, today had the first ride (80 km) and it is stiff, comfortable and climbs very well, don't know if it is because of the entusiasm of the new bike!!!! Thanks for your videos. Cheers from San Juan, Argentina

Good Vid Cam. I reckon you nailed it ..... I love my TCR Pro.....doesn’t have the integrated post....would I sell it...yeah Nah

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG.

I enjoyed the piano music, it added something to the video I can't really put my finger on it.

I’ve just switched to 165mm crank lengths on recommendation of a bike fit and I’ve become a lot more efficient. It’s stopped my hip getting tight on longer rides so I’m able to go faster for longer

Was surprised it was the ISP but makes sense. Having your staffie in the video was a definite improvement to your videos. That and the quirky things you add in like the VB tune etc sets you apart from other cycling KZfaq videos and is a good laugh mate 🙌🏼

May i asked is it ok to slam the tcr? I have 2013 model. What will be the pros and cons on doing this. Hope you notice thanks

I have issues selling bikes because of my size. I'm 5'4 so my frames are xsmall. If it was at least a medium no problem. Love the color scheme on my 2018 Giant TCR ADVANCE DISK KOM Black/orange.

Yup spot on.

Color, Race Geometry, Fork Already Cut Low, and its a Giant (great brand, but many view it as a mainstream brand that lacks character), ISP as well.

Nice Vid !

Love the soothing music!

I agree, just have adjustable seat post. Just got 2020 TCR and love it. Would love it less if had to mess with seat or when selling someday. Like ya videos brother. Peace be with you

How quickly you sell the bike is simply down to supply and demand and also price. You can sell a bike a quick as you want for the right price.

Lee aka the Paul Keating of road cycling. Need the piano music after that effort

Sorry for irrelevant question, but can i ask you a question? When you adjust saddle tilt, how do you tighten or loose the “front” knob(or screw) if you use non cut-out saddle? It seems like allen key cant reach in there if you don’t use cut-out saddle. Do you just use thumb to tighten it? Is it possible to tight it enough, if you want a nose-down (tilt) saddle position? Id really appreciate for the reply.

I'll bet you'll like the 165 cranks, I ordered my Specialized Venge Pro (size 54) and opted for the 170 cranks vs the standard 172.5 cranks. Knee pain is gone! I wish I had tried the 165's, but don't know if SRAM had them. BTY, I liked your fitting video, will he travel to Hawaii?

Nice bike mount on the wall, my wife might allow mine in the apartment if I treat it like a wall art installation 😂

Cam, fun video. Could I make a suggestion? How about an updated "Bikes of the Bunch" - spotlight on bikes from folks you ride and race with in Australia.

I had the opportunity to buy a LOOK 795 Aerolight at a good price. But at the last minute I flinched! I think it is one of the most beautiful bikes ever made, but it has so many strange, specific, proprietary parts, (including the seatpost) that I was afraid of getting a lemon!

Well done on the sale Cam. Looking to buy something else? Man can't have enough bikes you know! I just had all my 1x components put on a TCR SL frame which I got cheap. Great spare bike now. If the BMC is a Rolls Royce.....the TCR is a Ferrari! 😉😉 Cheers Peter

Agreed the ISP is a pain in the arse which is why I went for the Advanced Pro frame that has a traditional seat post. If you’re confident in your fit though it does mean there are bargains to be found on the ISP models as you’ve shown. Great bike for an amazing price.

Just FYI, I’m 5’9, 175cm with stocky legs. Changed to 165 cranks recently and noticed immediately the gearing difference (less leverage so its like extra tooth or two on front ring) and extra comfort riding in drops (less knee rise, more room). Both are good for me and, according to my Strava times, make me a fraction faster.

You have one hell of a doggy the best in cycling vlogs

That Chapter2 bike is so pretty I wanted to buy it from Cam even though I don't have 5.500 aud and I live in the Netherlands.

Isp is the reason I settle with Tcr advanced model as the frame material is the same as advanced pro with a little bit narrower steerer tube. And with all the practicality with removable seatpost.

Yes, I wouldn't touch an ISP with a fifty foot stick. Two main reasons: 1. I tend to be a 'fiddler' making minor adjustments to saddle and seat post height 2. Travel. Packing up the bike in a bike bag for flying. I have an Evoc bag. An ISP would be impossible. A few side notes: I don't take my latest greatest very expensive disc bike travelling. There's no way it's going on a plane. I take my tried, tested and loved Cervelo R3 mechanical drive train and rim brake for that purpose. I think having a travel bike is a thing 2. I had a Fuji track bike years ago with an ISP. I hated it. It was so annoying and ended up with a Cervelo. Which will stay with me forever I'd say.

I wish giant would use the SL grade carbon and create a new model that sits between advanced pro and SL and get rid of the ISP on that model

What bike is that in the background? Disc brakes ? 🤔

WOW!! Getting rid of the Rere already?! Any particular reason?? The video you did on that made me wanna switch from Specialized, but Chapter2 bikes aren’t found much in US... are you willing to ship to US?

Yup the ISP made the bike had to sell.. faced the same with my Cipollini RB1000.. No more ISP for me! Venge, Dogma and Tarmac easy to resell

Giant big in Oz due to proximity to Tawain and the dollar exchange rate. Also having worked with Giant for a number of years amongst other brands I feel that Australian riders are less snobbish and given the proximity of European brands and the escalating cost of other brands. ISP always has and always will delay sales unless you find a clone of yourself in terms of fit....and out of interest who has the warranty on this bike as I recall you bought this second hand?

thats a cute little TV Cam :p

I don't think the ISP is that bad, because if you consider the bike size, probably 70~80% of people in the same size will be in the range of the ISP system, I believe is some buyers are just too worry about the small changing rage of the ISP and problems they will face while reselling

When I was shopping for bikes over the last few months, I specifically disregarded dealing with the giant ISP bikes. Too much for me to worry about, especially since I have a super long torso, I'd have to cut the ISP way short in comparison to the frame and eventually have a hard time selling it down the road. No surprise you struggled to sell the bike.

I'm the exact opposite of you. I buy 1 bike at a time and keep it for ages! And yeah, I'd never buy a bike with an ISP...it would freak me out knowing I'm stuck at that saddle height FOR...EV...ERRR.

yea its sad i have to make my own seat post becuz of the integrated proshitatary parts

Trek is doing the same with the seatposts. About taking a longer period of time for selling your bike: I think there are proably more reasons: - overwhelming variety of offers in bikestores - ppl. who can afford to pay for a more advanced bike could prefer a new one or prefer a bike with less kilometers/miles on.

Ebay has several giant frames for sale. They are all less than $350, but there is no isp mast or forks. You cannot even find the vector or seat post topper. The frames are basically useless!

Hi Cam It was me that told Joey that you are using our vital greens products I hope you will enjoy our products Cheers Pete

I had a very similar experience selling my 2017 TCR! I had the advanced pro 1 model that has an adjustable seat post. A few superficial scratches but everything was purely cosmetic. I had about 15 "interested" buyers who asked everything from "would you sell it without the wheels?" To "I'll give you $500 for it today" and finally sold it for my asking price 7 weeks after listing it. Super easy, buyer rode it around the parking lot and paid right then and there. Cheers to bigger and better things!

I went from 172.5 to 165 on Tri bike and would only ever go shorter if I was to change. I'm 180cm tall. In the aero position it just feels so much better. Theres limited research into differences in crank length but it all seems to say that theres no downside in going all the way to 140mm, certainly when you consider you can likely get more aero. It opens up the hip angle also meaning less tight hip flexors. That would be more of an issue for triathletes running off the bike than for pure cyclists. I now have 165, 170 and 172.5 on 3 different bikes and its no really an issue going between them.

TCR Pro, no ISP. Job done.

Yep, I have changed my saddle a few times, each saddle had up to a 10mm difference in height translating to a seat post change. In fact, I tinker with the seat height all the time. There is no way a ISP would work for me.

Man where do you post your bikes for sale? I would've bought it in a heartbeat Im in brissy

So the launch of the new 2021 TCR had nothing to do with the low interest of your 2016 model?

For sure the ISP is a deal killer for me.

Nope, Giant isn't gonna do it. It's good if their flagship frames are hard to sell with the ISP, that means probably more new TCR ADV SL frames bought brand new if there are no pre-owned ones that suits the saddle height of the rider, or some would just downgrade to ADV PRO. Either way, its good for them.

ISP for sure and add this to the fact that Giant heavily discounts new bikes. This impacts negatively on resale price of second hand bikes

every Cam video intro ever: im gonna start by breaking this video into 2 main parts ...

I trust this won't be the last time we ll be seeing this bike 🤣

A bought a second hand propel with an ISP and its stressful buying second hand not wanting to get stuck with a seat post that doesn't work. You are right without it it just makes it easier. Doesn't Lee T get his bikes for free. I'll scream to the rafters how a good a bike is as well if I don't have to pay for it. lol

Cyclists are always suspicious of used carbon bikes especially if they've been raced. There's always the right buyer though. As for the shorter cranks I now ride 165 which has relieved me of niggling hip flexor issues. I've also had a bike fit from Neill when he was In Melbourne. He was the third fitter I had been to and could recommend him highly.

I am definitely sure it would have been the ISP.. I can maybe see a benefit if it is a sponsored bike and you hand it back at the end of a season, or you never intend on selling the bike.

Cam, come on, one cannot have enough bikes ;-)

I once owned an isp giant frame too. Never again for the same reason. You and I bought the wrong frame.

Ever tried putting a large sized bike with an ISP into a travel bag or box? Never again.

For me it would have come down to the rim brakes. My bikes are all disc versions now and I would never go back to a rim brake, even I purchased a low end commuter.

When you said ISP I thought you were going to blame Telstra

Buy advanced pro 0 (no isp) upgrade to dura-ace. Profit? I personaly don't think the bike brand change much. I own a propel defy and tcr because they are the best value around. I still have my old Tarmac and its still pretty good too even if I rarely take it off the trainer. Anyway change bike every year if you feel like it we all have our issues (I'm a bike hoarder I lost count 15+)

Giant do make a TCR Advanced without the ISP. It is the PRO model. Which is cheaper too. I haven't compared like for like in a shop, but I believe as you mentioned the SL models are supposed to be stiffer and lighter than the PRO models. Possibly cheaper carbon layup process in the PRO models also. Thanks for the video Cam!

#pianomusic yeah yeah!

Damn. Did I hear that correctly? You sold the Giant for $2,200. I would've snapped that up asap. Where did you advertise it, Cam?

I think it was the color.

I knew it when you first mentioned it took you 51days to sell it. Mine took almost 5 months to sell. ISP...."No resale, no problem" People are intimidated by it. I loved my TCR, but I had a lot of people look at it, but they would tell me that if it didn't have the ISP. Those that were aware, had me with s measuring tape in my hand too. Funny thing is the guy that bought mine did the same thing your buyer did, but 5 months?! I'll get a non-ISP TCR next time around

In case you have something in 2k range do lemme know

Baaaaaaaaaaang Vic Beeeeeeeeeer Piaannoooooooo ISPeeeeeeeeeeee Flaming Galaaah

Pianoooo 🤣

Mate I still think it was the colour LoL 😊

Integrated seat post is a terrible idea

Hey can would you consider selling the zipps. I'm also based out of Canada. Let me know if that's okay if not then no worries :).

RIP CCC.

It’s the integrated seat post. Major turn off for me.

Giant produces "the other brand" as well. So actually it is to no concern to them if you follow the "Specialized Tribe" ( and donate mor of your money to be a member/follower) or just want to own something SPECIAL. ;)

oh dear Cam did you know that a purchase a Giant just because you purchase one and at the time you seem to enjoy the bike. Mine is a Defy though. So far i like it. Now about that seat post you were talking about i read the same story elsewhere and some other owners have had some strange experience with it. So now that you have sold your Giant..i might as well do the same thing ?...naah i'm not ready yet... look at this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eKqUktOilcrdfGg.html Cheers from Montreal Quebec !!

Hi Lee, can we connect through email?

Since Specialized is effectively standing on the shoulders of Merida, and your adoration of Giant, you have a thing for Taiwanese manufacturing!

The isp is a pain in the a$$ and there really is no good reason for it. It was first designed on a bike by Vanilla to run a brake cable through for a canti brake...

Howcome you buy and sell so quickly, get to know your bike before you dump??! ♥ 😊

Different bottle cages on your BMC now ur tyre logos on the Chapter 2 dont line up with the valves. Are you a psychopath?

Cam Nichols : has an integrated seatpost Also Cam Nichols : needs to raise seapost to accommodate bikefitted cranks Also also Cam Nichols : buys too many bikes