First 1200 km! - Pinion vs Rohloff w/belt - What's the BEST DRIVETRAIN?

First 1200 km! - Pinion vs Rohloff w/belt - What's the BEST DRIVETRAIN? - side-by-side test / EPS 1

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Welcome to this epic side by side test of two of the most talked about gearing systems: the Pinion Gearbox and Rohloff Speedhub! Both on fully loaded touring bikes and equipped with Gates CDX belt drivetrains.
In this video we go over the key differences between the two, share our first impressions and experience over the first 1200 km we have cycled with these bikes this winter (down to -35°C) - across Finland from Helsinki to Rovaniemi. After years of touring with chains and derailleurs, this is also the first time we are touring with belt drives so we will mention something about that, too.
This test is epic because:
- Rohloff and Pinion are facing the same challenges: we are cycling the same route at the same time and with the same weight.
- We are a full time world bicycle tourers so this project is a test on many years of endurance. These gearboxes are facing some of the most extreme conditions around the world.
- To our knowledge this hasn’t been done before.
- We will publish a series of videos over the years, and
- This will reveal the ultimate bicycle gearbox!
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0:00 Introducing our test
1:14 Gears
1:49 Efficiency
2:38 Lag in engagement
3:40 Weight
4:34 Shifters
5:53 Spontaneous shifting
6:14 Failure
6:55 Maintenance
8:43 Price
9:03 Warranty
9:24 Belt Drive
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@NomadsTrails 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, some of you been mentioning a lab test which shows Rohloff is more efficient. Here is my opinion regarding that: I can't comment about that lab test : I am not a scientist so I can't judge any lab test. But above any kind of test for me it is the real life experience which matters at the end of the day. I am not cycling inside the Lab invironment. There can be factors efecting the performance in real life which are not calculated on the lab test. The reason sience is always keep developing, we never will have Ultimate sience. But real life and what we experience I think is the truth. But this is my humble opinion 😊

@beaubolieu Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@MrHoundDoug Жыл бұрын

Maybe because Rohloff is the hub, which would have a higher moment of inertia, it would requires more torque to accelerate which gives the sluggish feel. Even if at a constant speed the Rohloff delivers useful work a small amount more efficiently.

@doubled5383 Жыл бұрын

100% agree. Not being an expert on both of these drives, but being a common-sense based middle-aged person with lots of wisdom, I would never choose the Pinion. It requires a special frame. If something ever went wrong, you are screwed. The whole bike is down. With the Rohlhoff, in contrast, worst case you just throw a different wheel on the bike if you are in a jam say in a foreign country. Easy decision.

@tuttebelleke 9 ай бұрын

There is on average a factor 3 more belt tension with Rohloff than with Pinion, because the rear gear wheels differ that factor in number of teeth. So strange that this gets nowhere any attention? As also the whole drive train (and bicycle frame) is under 3 times more tension, this must have some implications on the efficiency? And this must also play in the lifetime of the belts?!?!? Anybody practical experience with that? PS: the efficiency comparison tests I found up to date are all executed with chains, not fully representative for the belt driven versions!!! Myself very happy driving Rohloff for 12 years already!

@legitcrack6438 9 ай бұрын

Theres no need for ultimate science because theres already science. opinion ≠ truth. "There can be factors efecting the performance in real life which are not calculated on the lab test" such as?

@BikeTillDawn 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot guys for this comparison and the insights provided. By switching the bikes and cycling side-by-side you can really make a profound judgement! Besides, it’s so nice to see from you again after a long time. Looking forward to more winter videos! Keep going :)

@gregknipe8772 Жыл бұрын

this has been a topic on mind for several years, how fortunate you are on top of the vibe and pointing toward great topics and information for us. thank you.

@gregknipe8772 Жыл бұрын

yo, pinion does not make bikes, so list the bike you have used in this test, since bike frames are special made for pinion gear boxes.

@Joseph-jy5lz Жыл бұрын

Well done to both of you for taking on this tour. Great comparison review and I look forward to seeing the future episodes. Best wishes on your trip and have a safe and enjoyable tour

@nevalth 3 жыл бұрын

Good content as always, watching both of you always bring me joy

@sunreindeerfog 3 жыл бұрын

So happy to see you guys on the road again! 🙌 Good idea for latest video too!

@freedomwon2004 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see you on the road again. Please be safe out there. Thank you for sharing your adventure with all of us. Both seem like awesome bikes. Your in our thoughts and prayers! 🙏❤🚴‍♂️

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

@richardwales58 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see you both again I think you have terrific bicycles for your trip this time

@hans6304 3 жыл бұрын

Well done, guys. Stay happy and stay safe!

@Hertzultra 3 жыл бұрын

Glad the two of you are getting sponsered... i need to catch up on your story so far xx

@sallyrosser4590 3 жыл бұрын

That was so interesting listening to your experience on using the both of these! thank you

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Most welcome Sally 😊

@nadgeemark 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see you both back guys. Ride safely 🌻

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark! :)

@fademasterfade227 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison side by side; I look forward to updates. Safe riding!

@joeljohn4947 3 жыл бұрын

Happy to see you both again💖. Love you. Stay safe

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, you too! ❤️

@terrors88 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison! That's what the (bike) world was waiting for.

@channeltootv8838 3 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for you two, keep safe

@michael-lt2lf 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic stuff! Thank you both!

@onedaywellallbedead4338 3 жыл бұрын

I change the oil on my Rohloff every 10,000 Km with no problems. Was thinking of changing to a Veer belt drive system, so thanks for the info guys...😎👍

@simonjohnson2897 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. I have a Pinion P.18 and I love it!

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, happy to hear that 😊

@schwarzzelter7161 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you two again! I would be very curious what are you're next plans to travel, how it's going with the snow and temperatures and where you are at the moment! Best wishes and safe travels!

@TheQuietBeast 2 жыл бұрын

I love your video, just what I was looking and well made. Thanks for that!

@guritno2012 3 жыл бұрын

wow, you both are already in Arctic Zone. Good luck, have a wonderful Bike Touring.

@rhett7716 2 жыл бұрын

Great review guys.... Thankyou !!👍

@Luigi13 Жыл бұрын

Good? I like the straight forward hands on experience and examples that you both offer in the video. Great looking bikes as well. Cheers.

@frazersmith5101 2 жыл бұрын

Really excellent review. Thank you!

@ichmh1871 3 жыл бұрын

very good report, first hand experience, thx so much

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 😊

@PabloUsunoff 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!!! thank you for the info guys. safe travels!

@dog-so1vj 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Great info.

@mrhounddog8271 2 жыл бұрын

This was a very entertaining and informative video. Do you feel that you gave up anything with the C1.12 while touring that you may have gotten from the P1.18? Keep pedaling and making great videos.

@IS-xk3iq 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful explanation on the two systems via empherical data.

@teckin139 3 жыл бұрын

Love this video, me and my friend were considering both of these for our trip before the pandemic hit.

@mohanj5288 3 жыл бұрын

Finally a video😍😍

@indrajitgomastaigproductio8915 3 жыл бұрын

Missing Your exciting n beautiful world tour.

@tedlovesbikes 2 жыл бұрын

Very well done video. Bravo

@Regantdarcy 2 жыл бұрын

Great comparison. It sounds like Pinion is the way to go for me as well. 👍🏼

@ascot1049 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, if anyone can test them it's you two .

@marianocelentano2864 3 жыл бұрын

Great useful info. Many thanks for sharing and happy ride!!! : )

@krussek 3 жыл бұрын

An idea for a new experiment: let's switch the rear wheels and compare Rohloff + pinion vs single speed :D

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! 😂

@user-ym2ou2kr4p 3 жыл бұрын

Hi . Hi

@dualsport-travelercom 3 жыл бұрын

@@carbon12atom Great idea! Love it!, Thanks for sharing

@joramvandervorst7715 2 жыл бұрын

@@carbon12atom Eric from 'De Vakantiefietser' did this years ago as an april 1st joke with a P18 and Rohloff, claiming a new record for a 252 speed bike 😁

@Param741 3 жыл бұрын

Gr8 to see u back

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Great to have you! 😊

@modulaeris7983 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear about the conparison between the loop bar and butterfly bars you used to have! Great to see you ridin' again! 😎👍

@samuelmjlfjell 3 жыл бұрын

Wow , you guys look so good with all the snow. amazing that you keep going through the snow.

@marcinsykut497 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad that you are back on the road again. I bought pinion bike recently because of no maintenance. I hope changing flats will be as easy as regular bikes. What's your experience about it ? Thank you for great video as always.

@felipericketts 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison of the two systems, both of which are great. I was recently considering which I would get for myself and chose the Pinion with the Gates belt drive. Seems you like it better over all so maybe I made the right decision. Two important things you mentioned: apparently the Pinion is less effort to pedal, and the Rohloff needs an oil change if you submerge the rear hub. Two very important considerations that I was not aware of when I was thinking about what to get for my self. Love your videos and look forward to enjoying your adventures! :-)

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊, indeed both are really well made systems. Hope you enjoy of your pinion 🙌

@carlcarlamos9055 2 жыл бұрын

What happens if you submerge the Pinion gearbox?

@abilashramalingappa9764 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting ✌️✌️ Good information

@RSLtreecare Жыл бұрын

Really fantastic... A very informative experience. I am looking at a belt drive bike, but that's just for home, cargo carrier. We, the family shop and play around a network of small farms. Homeschool and meet up with other groups. Take care...

@andreagrasselli1169 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, very useful content!!!

@dpierre 3 жыл бұрын

Dear Peyman and Matilda, It's nice to hear from you (I hope Matilda will have recovered very soon) and thank you for this return, always so professional, with all the passion of those who live thanks to their bikes ^^ I bought in 2013 a steel bike with the 8 speed rear gearbox in dry dock (i.e. oil free, lighter and no leaks!) It’s a Shimano ALFINE! It was the cheapest version. The belt is the old (the 1st) version, narrower and without the cut in the middle (but no less solid, the new ones like yours have the advantage of not being able to derail but mine in the end never accidentally went out). I drove between 10 to 13 thousand KM with it and bought it second-hand, almost new. One of the first things I liked was the much better performance than with a chain, especially when you have to tackle a mountain pass. We feel that we go up more easily^^ Zero noise! It's magical, especially at night to approach wildlife ... My 2nd travel bike is a model with chain + 7 gears x 3 chainrings (including a rear overspeed which is like a 4th chainring, brilliant but rare because vintage). I also enjoy riding as it’s a frame ‘en col de cygne’ classic in Nederland. New bikes (e-bikes too) with chain with 10, 11 or 12 speed sprockets are unbearable because they make noise all the time and especially when coasting and in addition the chains break very quickly. Nothing beats a belt system! Cleanliness, no grease, no stains on the bags and cases ... The belt is a revolution and silence is priceless:) - Translate from French, sorry for some ‘tournures’…

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Very interesting, and fantastic to hear you got such distance on a first version belt! And the silence is fantastic indeed 😊

@hokehinson5987 Жыл бұрын

Outstanding real life test. Agree that lab testing only provides engineer level results NOT real world results. Life Is dice roll each day real knowledge IS squeezed from each event, THIS is the most useful elixar to drink! Its intelligence....that other stuff from books is just opinions concepts ....as a cyclist on a budget if money was no obstacle and serious touring was a goal would defer to pinion. Strongly agree with another post ... " much easier is replace drive wheel if needed.." much respect to both drive systems they are truely phonomenal! Cheers.

@albertbatfinder5240 3 жыл бұрын

Great review with interesting, unexpected findings. Time will tell if that icy weather has any influence on the result. Clearly the belt drive is a winner no matter what. Anyway, good to see you guys back.

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed time will answer many questions 😊

@anb1142 2 жыл бұрын

So close to 100K Good luck

@x7j4 3 жыл бұрын

Good review!! Thanks.

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@mohammedaslam3862 3 жыл бұрын

!nice to see you guys..... God bless you

@markmoreno7295 3 жыл бұрын

Both the Industry 9 Hydra and the Onyx sprag clutch system hubs are good. Onyx is a bit heavier but silent. Hydra does make sound, but can be quieted to near silence depending on how much grease you daub on the pawls. Both are pricey, but as mentioned help the Pinion gearbox perform better.

@derunglaublichemrt 3 жыл бұрын

Viele Grüße aus Köln! Ein sehr schöne Video! Vielen Dank!

@venithmk5449 3 жыл бұрын

You guys are doing well

@SYLVAINDURAND77 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@PRH123 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much..! Just the kind of review I have been hoping for. I live in a very cold and wet climate and so the test conditions answer just the kind of questions that I have. Down to what minimum temperature did you ride..? Thanks...!!

@alasdairhill5166 3 жыл бұрын

You two are incredible testing and comparing in those conditions cracks me up . I'm very interested in the rohloff for e bikes I think it's the way forward

@alexmorgan3435 2 жыл бұрын

E bikes are for lazy people.

@MusikPiratCH 2 жыл бұрын

@Alasdair Hill I chose the Pinion even for an e-bike with an Alber Neodrives Z20. Those rear motors are much better for the material Gates drive! I also made bad experience with a Bosch motor which stopped working about the last 20 km before our final stop (before returning those rent bikes)! Therefore I knew no middle motor for my own e-bike! 🤔 Of course those e-bikes with middle motor are the most sold! 😇

@aliejazm.hassani8892 3 жыл бұрын

U both r an inspiration..I wish I could accompany u but I don't think so that u wil accommodate anyone in ur journey even if he has deep wish to join u

@AlaskaPirates 3 жыл бұрын

Good to see a video!

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@topherpalmtree Жыл бұрын

Would love to see power pedal readings vs wheel power readings on both. The claims on rohloff’s and pinion’s websites seem to contradict the claim that rohloff is less efficient. Haven’t dived intuitively the pinion efficiency charts yet though. Love the content!

@paulbritton7204 3 жыл бұрын

very interesting. Surprised to hear that the oil in a Rohloff needs an oil change if you take it through a river. take care paul

@jakeadams0412 3 жыл бұрын

Hope Mrs. Nomad is feeling much better.

@DavideTravelli 3 жыл бұрын

Nice review!

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers! 🙌🏽

@ina_bauble8220 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks u soo much for the video after soo Man y days

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Most welcome 😊

@shaikhabdullah5281 3 жыл бұрын

Happy to see you safe Love From india

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ❤️

@MrQuestful 3 жыл бұрын

I love this and envy your adventure!

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, happy to hear you like it!

@MrQuestful 3 жыл бұрын

@@NomadsTrails what your doing is a trip I’ve wanted to do as well. I’ve been an avid fan of gearbox systems and I see merit in both systems, it’s all a matter of priorities & where you’re starting from. I think if you’re the kind of person that already has a few different frames, a rohloff may have more value to you because you may be able to convert it to different bikes. But if you’re starting from a clean slate and buying in to the market for a gearbox system, the Pinion may be easier to create a super versatile machine. I think it’s a big value add to be able to have different wheel sets for different terrains. You could have one bike that went from a 38mmx700 to a mid-fat 3”x 27.5”, maybe even wider.

@lucablesi4087 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your contents! Can you give us a quick update about this test comparing pinion vs rolhoff? Especially about the drag perceived in warmer condition. Thank you so much!

@permanenceinchange2326 3 жыл бұрын

I own a vintage bike with a Rohloff hub, hasn't let me down so far :). I never had spontaneous shifting. The clicks are in the hub, once you have shifted gear the cables are not under tension. Maybe your shifter was a bit out of position. But I can't tell for sure - I ride with dropped bar shifters, and they work different. Great comparison btw.! Have fun on all your trips!!!

@noproblem2big337 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting, did you have to do much to make it fit and are you running a rubber belt?

@permanenceinchange2326 3 жыл бұрын

@@noproblem2big337 Nothing in special. The classic Rohlof has got a width of 148mm, so it fits in an old frame. I run it with a chain though, since you can't open the frame for a belt. Shifting is done with SRAM shifters combined with a Rohbox transmission at the rear axle.

@adammacer 3 жыл бұрын

I've just discovered 'Veer' non-continuous belt drives - can be retro-fitted to any bike with no frame modifications required.. belt splits to pass thru frame and is held together with rivets/pins.. don't know how it compares to Gates for longevity & reliability but it was a useful find..

@pingwingugu5 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen them as well but some folks on forums were mentioning that they are build without the center gap. Similar to first generations of Gates belts that had problems with getting clogged with dirt, skipping and even snapping. So I am waiting for some reviews on Veer system.

@thomaslopez4946 Жыл бұрын

thx for the test

@dickachu3921 2 жыл бұрын

happy owner of pinion P12 on Gates belt for over 5 years. the best transmission period. only problem price, service and frame options.

@outlawcatcher1 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Did you stay with 26 inch wheels? Can you also easily swap out the back wheels if you had a damaged wheel?

@dualsport-travelercom 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, great review side-by side!! Thanks for that. Another advantage of the pinion I would like to mention for long distance in remote areas, as you do. In case that you need to change wheels, with the pinion you are almost free to choose any wheel you find on the market. Could be a switch from 26, 27,5, 28, 29, in case of damage you will always find one of these. Or, at home, even changing depending on the application. Faster 28 wheels for street and then a set of bigger 27,5 for MTB-like travel.... switching is a matter of 10 minutes an the expensive part (gearbox) is needed only once. Carry on and take care!

@joseantoniomorales7114 3 жыл бұрын

Hello guys im follow you before long time , i like your trip and your voice ,style etc come on !!!!!!

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

@roamingaroundtheoutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

I‘ve been cycling more than 30,000 km with my heavy loaded Pinion P1.18 & Gates CDX powered travel bike since 2017 and only have had twice an issue with a slightly leaking crank bearing seal, which have been fixed by Pinion within the 5 years guarantee as I came back home from my 2018 (8,800 km) and 2019 (6,000km) tours. I recommend to carry out Pinion’s “factory inspection” after basic guarantee has expired to preserve the reliability of the gearbox and obtain a 2 years follow-up guarantee.

@alexmorgan3435 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for post and advice it is very useful.

@oilcanracer6388 3 жыл бұрын

I have 35,000km and my brother 42,000km in a few years on our pinion gearbox belt drive bikes. No problems other than needing to add oil every 2,000km to keep the gearbox from dragging in higher gears. We both still on the same belt also.

@IbonEtxaiz 3 жыл бұрын

Same problem with my C1.12 with 14.000km. Anyway, the pinion and belt combination is the best I've ever tried. it will not be the most efficient, but it is clean and durable

@baxteryazbek 3 жыл бұрын

Great comparison and enjoy your trip! One question, no gearbox breakdowns with both until now?

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, no breakdown so far :)

@buffalomind6838 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comparison. I will now pronounce Rohloff as you’ve said it as any other way is wrong now that I know.😎

@Freddy-WandernReisenAbenteuer 3 жыл бұрын

Interessant

@nevertoopoortotour.3033 2 жыл бұрын

Great review I can't wait until Rolls-Royce builds a bicycle I'm going to buy two of them.

@laurentdubus659 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Peyman & Matilda for this very interesting video. I noticed you have Cane Creek sear posts. I’d be interested in your feedback on it: I bought the thudbuster G4 ST to go with my Brooks B17 saddle, but have issues with the horizontal adjustment of the saddle: no matter how hard I tighten the screw, the saddle always ends up tilting back and the position is therefore uncomfortable. Did you experience similar issues and how did you solve rhis ? I contacted

@pierrrejette9023 3 жыл бұрын

From sand to snow. Great to see you guys back on the road.

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊

@1hz901 2 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine drives a bike with 4 wheels and a trailer, wehre one can sit in and pedal as well. So it's a tandem. He was nearly blind and it was the only way for him to make bike tours. I was with him several times. He also has an electic assist in the front. The weight of the complete system is 330 kg, with two people and all the gear, measured on tour, real live weight. He drove it for about 2 years without any service, no oil change, nothing, about 20.000 km ... no problems at all. He asked Pinion, if they want to check the gear box to learn, what it looks like after this heavy usage without any kind of service. They came and switched the gear box for free. The gearbox was in perfect shape. After 20 years of being blind he now had an operation and can see again and therefore drive by himself. He built another trailer with bed in it, a bike-caravan. And uses a 1000Watt Motor now as weight is nearly the same than bevor but only one person is pedaling. No problem at all. We have similar experiences with other bikes. So if you look for a reliable gear-box for really heavy usage, go for Pinion. I am about to build a new bike for myself, it will also be four wheels (again), a cabin, a caravan, and lots of solar panels for the electric assist motor. Weight for the complete system including me and my package will be somewhere around 250 to 300 kg. With Pinion as well. No question at all. It's the most reliable system on the market and can withstand everything that you can throw at it on a bike. And we are pushing the limits doing long distance touring with really heavy bikes, this time I am about to leave forever, as I now have a save job with "home office".

@Hirtshals999 3 жыл бұрын

Rohloff has been unchanged for more then 20 years. Weight doesn’t matter if you have 50 kg on your bike

@oilcanracer6388 3 жыл бұрын

There is a weight limit to Rohloff hubs. I broke three in a row until they told me I was pushing too much weight. Switched to pinion gearbox same weight and no problems.

@Hirtshals999 3 жыл бұрын

@@oilcanracer6388. I have 2 hubs . One is 16, the other 11 years old. My weight is 100 kg. Cycle plus luagage 50 kg. Only once a problem with shifting. Freight and repair paid by Rohloff

@kaffeemitcola6506 3 жыл бұрын

Its a reliable system but I was not satisfied with it. The Pinion and Bosch can be the Rohloff Killers.

@koenleijnen1900 3 жыл бұрын

@@oilcanracer6388 Sounds kind of strange because Rohloff is also used on tandem bikes, double the power on the hub. In normal push bikes they use teflon bushings, if you are to strong Rohloff changes the bushings to metal bushings only on request and placed by one of the Rohloff distributors. There is no need for replacing the hub, because the busings are kind of a safety they made into the hub for riders who seem to be to strong. When you put to much power on it, the teflon bushings wear out or break. Rohloff places metal bushings standard in tandem bicycles. I drove both and had several rohloff bikes and until now two 1.18 pinion bikes, all made by Santos bikes. Where Pinion lacks is on there on the field service. Rohloff even tends to send a reapair man to you when the cost of shipping the wheel to germany or a distributor is to expensive. With Pinion I already had some troubles with a leaking gearbox, got it returned after three weeks but only after a lot of phone calls. Leaked again after two weeks and got a new gearbox after a couple of months negotiating with Pinion. Effeciency of Rohloff on internal resistance is better than Pinion. the only thing that's better by Pinion is the wider gear range. But you will need it because the Pinion bike is a lot heavier not only because of the gearbox but also because of the welding lugs and stiffer frame that is needed.

@oilcanracer6388 3 жыл бұрын

@@koenleijnen1900 tandem is different in its total power to hub not torque. Power is applied much slower. I have heard in tandem hub failures as well.

3 жыл бұрын

i use a rohloff by myself, with drop bar conversion set from gebla rohbox. 7 yearsa from now without any maintanance (just suirtlube for the chain, didnt even do the recommended oil changes). for me, an absolute no brainer. It just works.

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Big Thanks for the input and the first hand experience. we will test these bikes for long time and we will see how these systems will perform in a long term :)

@thedude2178 3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear from you again

@JoeMotoSekleta 3 жыл бұрын

Keep upload more vid..ride safe i like pinnion

@ladamyre1 Жыл бұрын

I just bought a Priority 600 and it has the Pinion C1.12 gearbox and a Gates Carbon Belt drive system. If I were restricted to one bike I had to live with forever it would be one with the Pinion and the Gates belt. Together they make a bike almost maintenance free: all you have to do is wash it and change the oil once a year or about 7000 miles. Three years ago I bought a Priority Turi. It has the Gates belt too but it has an Enviolo rear hub that is a new technology and is a dream to ride with infinitely variable 300% ratio. I put 7000 miles on it without any trouble: wash it and no oil change because the hub is sealed and not serviceable. It's a street bike and has thin tires so it doesn't do well in gravel which is why I bought the 600. In any case, the Gates belt drive is the greatest. In my opinion Derailleurs are for racing and for gearheads that just like to constantly have to work on their bike. I'm NEVER going back to exposed chains and cogs again. Oh, by-the-way. To keep the belt from wearing the cogs, use corn starch on the belt. It is the slipperiest dry lubricant there is, is as cheap as dirt and is non-toxic.

@falconfalcon223 Жыл бұрын

Hi Peyman are you considering any more updates on the comparison between Pinion vs Rohloff? I know that now it is you by yourself with one bike not a couple with two bikes; however it would be great if it was possible to keep comparing the two gearing systems...Thanks

@poweroftea4508 3 жыл бұрын

Nice bikes 😻 . I need one more year and my bike is ready 🙏🏻🕉.

@mysurlytrucker7510 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if with this cold your in that oil thickness the viscosity is being affected and and is making the gearbox feel sluggish? But it's really a thickening of the oil freezing a little.

@Digbysexpot 3 жыл бұрын

Really excited to see how both these drive trains hold up. I am taking delivery of a new Priority 600 which has the Pinion gearbox.

@andyrobert8708 3 жыл бұрын

Got my Priority 600x a couple of weeks ago, here in Sydney Australia. Very happy, nicely made, good value for money and the Pinion gearbox is a dream. You’ll love yours. Worth the wait.

@26realmc 3 жыл бұрын

Why did you go with the 600? Just looked at website and does seem good value. How much landed in Aus?

@andyrobert8708 3 жыл бұрын

@@26realmc The Priority 600x just seemed overall good value. I definitely wanted Pinion, as I’d had so many issues with derailleurs, slipped broken chains, broken hangers. I checked out various options including Rohloff on Salsa Fargo, comotion, Tout Terrain, etc, but they were all considerably more expensive.

@Digbysexpot 3 жыл бұрын

@@26realmc I chose the 600 because I want one bike that I can do everything in. Does it do everything at 100%? No, but it should do it all at an acceptable level. Commute, touring, bike packing and light trails.

@subharama8402 3 жыл бұрын

Hello ! Happy to see you again .how are you ?

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, we're good 😊 Happy to have you watching!

@michaelthies1369 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for testing. What colour (RAL) is the grey bike?

@brianoreilly239 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Roberts bike with Rohloff gearing and a Tout Terrain 5th Avenue with a 12 gear Pinion . Both excellent German precision engineering gearing systems, but for me, the Pinion shades it due to the weight being the bottom bracket thus making the bike balance better and with a loaded touring bike easier to ride and handle

@emanuelblei7699 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, may I ask how the central position of the opinion makes it better for a loaded touring bike? I would have thought that in this case the position doesn't matter.

@brianoreilly239 3 жыл бұрын

The weight of the Pinion gearbox being located centrally on the bike frame near the bottom bracket gives the bike a better balance thus making it easier to handle and more comfortable to ride.

@johnreed9107 2 жыл бұрын

Well, let's see where you are in a year. I'm also interested to Tout Terrain. I just started watching and I haven't discovered if you have front dyno hubs or not. Best for nice trip

@thanadorlx9179 3 жыл бұрын

it might be the drag difference comes not from the gearbox but from the belt setup... I tried both as an ebike and went for the electric rohloff E14. And in germany you get a lifetime warranty for the gearhub :d

@DubaikarDadus 3 жыл бұрын

pls upload more videos ... we were waiting for ong time snow cycle vlogd

@NomadsTrails 3 жыл бұрын

I will try my best :)

@holyfox94 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for my new bike with the Rohloff hub.🥳 It’ll be a Riese& Müller e bike with E14. It will shift down automatically at stops. Must be great in big city traffic. Also, with the belt: no more chain cleaning, no oily pants,... how cool is that!

@Lordoftheflatbush 3 жыл бұрын

I have to superdelite with Rohloff. Its an amazing bike: high quality components, maintenance free, comfortable and efficient.

@GordoGambler 3 жыл бұрын

Nice videos. IMO, You both need a chaincase, belt or not. Dirt, sticks, or ice will for sure bugger things where you are going. I made my case with CF and some stainless metal where it joins, tight fit. Wasn't easy to make, but it will last forever. It does have a stupidly big hole because of the alu crankarm though. So fine dust still gets in the chain. I still haven't seen a downhill race between these two to test drag. I have compared my Rohloff to a SA XL-RD5w. The Rohloff is 3 mph slower, 43 vs 46 mph. The Rohl IS getting faster with age. I have no problems at all with my Rohloff14 on my 120 lb heavyweight, for 17,200 miles so far. I'm 170 -185 lbs. For a front hub I have a SA XL-FDD dyno DRUM brake, that has done 26,000 flawless miles. You should as well. ZERO to fix or worry about in any weather. Only one side bearing went dry and it ate 4 balls, LOL. It is now on it's third bike, a steel roadster. I then built a new wheel the same, for on the tour bike. I don't know how the hell you ride in cold and snow. I wouldn't last 5 minutes. 3C for 6 hours in China mountains was bad enough for me. One of those days I was riding on wet clay and needing my rain cape on. I was sweating like hell too. Not good on cold days.