Pinion: bicycle gearboxes for the future!

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Episode 3 of our Factory Tour! In this series, we visit five of our partners in the German bicycle industry, to discover what goes on behind their product lineup. Find out more about Pinion: pinion.eu
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0:00 Introduction
1:59 The story of Pinion
3:41 Proof of concept
4:49 First ever bicycle gearbox
5:47 Pinion C1.12 housings assembly
7:49 How do the gears work?
9:22 Pinion C1.12 shifter shaft assembly
10:30 Sealing up the gearbox
12:15 The testing machine
13:21 How do repairs and warranty work?
16:08 Regular service procedures
17:00 In-house gearbox repair
19:03 What's our own experience?
19:59 Pinion's philosophy
20:42 Pinion C1.12 oil change!
23:04 Future products of Pinion
25:41 Outro

Пікірлер: 115

@Bikerrep Жыл бұрын

Cinema level

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Belén is an excellent gimbal.

@ClaudiuFabianMilea 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for this behind the scene at Pinion... this is the future! my next bike will not have a chain and derailleur...

@tristanbogaard 7 ай бұрын

You’ll love the derailleur-less approach!

@barbb1672 8 ай бұрын

Being relatively old school with my bikes, I really didn’t expect to get so excited about Pinion. Definitely something for my next bike!

@tristanbogaard 8 ай бұрын

You’ll love the transition!

@redorka6467 Ай бұрын

I am convinced, thanks for sharing :)

@tristanbogaard Ай бұрын

Go for it!

@hotchihuahua1546 7 ай бұрын

With proper and routine oil changes this should work reliably ! Between it and belt drive I see a great future for the company !

@DosJof5118 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the excellent Pinion factory tour. I ride a Priority 600X with a Gates belt drive and a Pinion C1.12 gearbox. I have been riding for over 56 years now. And so many different bikes. My 600X with the Pinion has become my daily rider and also my go-to bikepacking bike. All of the rest of my bikes are jealous because the 600X "Rubber Band" gets ridden the most. Thanks again for the inside look at Pinion. 🤓

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

56 years, what an experience! I’m glad you enjoyed the episode. It’s a pleasure to be in a position to provide video content like this!

@DosJof5118 Жыл бұрын

@@tristanbogaard I started counting when I was 14 working in a local bike shop. The production of your videos is first-rate, excellent work. I'm watching the rest of the series, particularly the companies I have done business with. Pinion, Gates, and Tubus...🤓

@MrVaderino Ай бұрын

that's for sure: my next bike will have a Pinion "e" MGU. Thanks for sharing the details of its fabrication - and also, please keep it Made in Germany :-)

@Panagiotis-Skordilis 9 ай бұрын

What an excellent company

@jiajunsun3845 9 ай бұрын

Fantastic Video. You should also do one with Rohloff. Keep up the great work!

@cranfieldmcfierson393 Жыл бұрын

amazing how they are all hand made. i love mine and now am full of pride on how well they are made and tested. thanks for sharing.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

You’re very welcome! Enjoy your Pinion.

@morty412 Жыл бұрын

Nice work on this in-depth tour of Pinion! Very enlightening. You guys keep upping the video quality and the fact that you both tour extensively and use the product adds to the authenticity.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That's really nice of you to type out. The next episode just went live, hope you'll enjoy that one as much!

@stoutdog56 Жыл бұрын

Well done! I was sold on the Pinion gearbox and purchased my bicycle before viewing this video and am very happy I make the decision to do so. That 3 gear model from 1936 is a remarkable achievement and such an advancement for it's day. Outstanding! While the derailleur drive-train is time tested and less money, it just doesn't have all the advantages of a sealed system. It seems to be a durable and if you will, a bulletproof system that is a huge leap forward. In my humble opinion, the increase in weight and cost are justified for those wanting "THE BEST",

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more!

@patrickmurray7879 Жыл бұрын

Tristan & Belén, you guys are absolutely killing it 👏🏼 before watching this video I was sooooo excited to test the pinion gearbox next week with my wife..but now?! Holy crap I’m EXPLODING from excitement 😍 I cannot wait to get my hands on one! I thought the questions you asked Dirk were really important and informative, so thank you very much for the work that went into making these videos! When you asked Dirk about the process if something needs to be checked/fixed on the gearbox, it made me wonder how long the turn around time would be (approximately) if you had to send in the gearbox? 🤔 I have a feeling once I order my bike with the gearbox I’ll never go back to a derailleur 🙈

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

You definitely won't go back to a derailleur! I can say so myself after not even a year with this bike, and I'm starting to forget what derailleurs even are. As for the turnaround time, this will probably depend on each individual case but knowing Pinion, it should be pretty fast and professional.

@RealSkyfire 11 ай бұрын

Very interesting video! Thanks for the insight! Good luck on your further trips!

@Onroulelaboule Жыл бұрын

This is a GREAT video thank you so much! Can't wait to see the electonic shifting + Belt for touring bike. This will THE GAME changer !

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome! And I think so too.

@bcrumbs937 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video! Professional quality, interesting, and great information. I wasn't even considering Pinion before. Now I want one. 😂

@dfxl6587 Жыл бұрын

I have been using a 18 gear Pinion gearbox on a Stevens P18 for the last 18 months. It is brilliant, quiet, silky smooth shifting reliable. It does what it says on the box. Change the oil annually, check the cables, job done. If Pinion need a test rider to put kms on a Pinion gearbox for testing please let me know? Live on the German Netherlands border, retired, fit and can ride every day.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Excellent choice, that's a similar setup as what Kamran (@kamranonbike) was using for a long time, between Patagonia and Alaska. Very inspiring ride and such a great setup for it. Well done on making yours last and speaking up about it!

@douglastong3208 Жыл бұрын

I am absolutely thrilled to have had a C1.12 on my AZUB Ti-FLY X for the last two years, so it was exciting to see this factory tour.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Happy to hear you enjoyed the episode!

@timerscofield Жыл бұрын

Very impressed on the starting point of this company. Their production assembly line and process is definitely similar to that one of a car maker! Appreciate your effort to share this companies inside. Thanks team!

@danvalicek Жыл бұрын

This might be because the owner actually is a gearbox engineer who was constructing and developing gearboxes for Porsche. ;)

@supremeflagship8965 11 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to see a similar in-depth tour of Rohloff.

@hammockdweller Жыл бұрын

Interesting video, looks like a good and reliable system. You're right it is an investment, but it will serve you many years. I have several bicycles with a Rohloff speedhub and the oldest is 16 years old and still working fine. I use it now as a training bike and I also have a travel bike with Rohloff. Bedankt Belén and Tristan.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Agreed! And you're welcome. Hope you enjoy the next episode that just went live!

@JohnyPedaluga Жыл бұрын

спасибо за экскурсию😊

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@davidhunternyc1 2 ай бұрын

At 23:06. That vintage steel bicycle with the Pinion gearbox is stunning! Is this bike for sale? We've got to have more of these classics with Pinion gearboxes.

@tristanbogaard Ай бұрын

You’d have to email Pinion to find out! And agreed. To me, more classic bikes with Pinion gearboxes would be like seeing all the favorite classic cars turned electric!

@davidhunternyc1 Ай бұрын

@@tristanbogaard Absolutely, the vintage bike in this video is stunning!

@ArthurDiegoMcDermottUK 8 ай бұрын

Good Product 👍

@TheOutsidePerks Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this detailed visit. Love seeing where my P.18 was born! For what its worth, my local shop recommended doing the first oil change at 1k miles because, when new, there is a break in period that dirties the oil quicker. Then annual oil changes are sufficient.

@marcschlegel713 Жыл бұрын

I did my first oil change after 9 years 😊 All fine

@mitchel971 Жыл бұрын

Super video danke!!☺

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Bitte!!

@sangredelobo8388 Жыл бұрын

Love my pinion!

@davidwarner6755 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for a good video...Would like to learn more about shifter options with the Pinion gearboxes.

@buckmanriver Жыл бұрын

It was great to see the factory and assembly process. One thing I found with my PInion is that the company would not disclose what type of oil they were using. So I sent my oil in for testing and found it was 75-80w. This type of oil can be purchased cheaply from any auto parts store and does not need to come from Pinion directly. I have a few short films comming out on my channel about this process.

@Tangocita444 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the awesome video. I am looking at their website now and dreaming 😂 It is really a great technology.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

It really is! I can assure you that you'll love this gearbox once you can get one yourself :)

@MartinTibbo-sx8yn 8 ай бұрын

Great Video Tristan. Any idea how the noise of the E1.12 compares to the 14 speed Rohloff?

@loyalhoag9103 Жыл бұрын

I have a P18 on my Co-Motion, and I am wondering why you chose the C12. Pinion Rocks!!

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

The P1.18 is such a great choice! In our case, we sided with the C1.12 to save a little bit of weight and as it has a 600% gear range, we thought it was plenty for the more MTB style riding we do nowadays, as opposed to long term road touring!

@colmclaurin9452 Жыл бұрын

Can Pinion gearbox's be fit fitted to 20" folding bikes, if so what number of gear ratios are available for global touring.

@anfredvanroosmale2964 Жыл бұрын

Interessant filmpje

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Dat dacht ik zelf ook ;)

@jimsego172 7 ай бұрын

Incredible and timely. Let's just hope it's more reliable than the Porsche PDK. :) What is the timeline for rolling this tech out to mainstream E-MTB companies? And how does the cost compare?

@user-iq7zz9of6c 8 ай бұрын

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@lepierre87 9 ай бұрын

Hi Tristan. Great video! My C1.12 Pinion gearbox has begun to develop a strange fault, in that it sometimes take a quarter of a pedal turn (or more, nearly half a turn) for the crank to engage with the gearbox. Any idea how to fix this? I'm based in the UK, with no Pinion service centre nearby... Quite separately, I've discovered that my H2r pinion rear hub leaks some of its grease, causing the freehub system to become noisy with time: it can be quietened with fresh grease, but then the grease slowly comes out again! Have you come across this, and would you know how to fix it? Thanks!

@tristanbogaard 9 ай бұрын

Hi Pierre, best would be to immediately contact the Pinion customer service. Let them know your situation and perhaps the warranty will cover it all. They’re quick and very helpful!

@lepierre87 9 ай бұрын

@@tristanbogaard thank you Tristan. Will do now.

@leehargreaves7473 27 күн бұрын

I so want an 18 speed with the electronic shifters (I can't stand grip-shift).

@pppjourneyonabike5992 4 ай бұрын

Hi. I will be purchasing a Comotion bicycle with Pinion P1.18 gearbox for bicycle touring. Will the gears in the gearbox hold up for about 400 pounds (181kg) weight of the rider, gear & bicycle?

@dustingaersmith8999 4 ай бұрын

How do I learn the cost of the gearboxes that Pinion makes?

@dodger1x Жыл бұрын

I hope they can make a combined Motor/gearbox combo. To compete with Revonte One, Valeo Effigear and Intra Drive…

@markmoreno7295 3 ай бұрын

They may want to sell optionally, a powermeter crank for those wishing to get feedback on their head unit.

@jewi5844 Жыл бұрын

Bedankt voor deze video. Ik ga een nieuw avontuur in mijn professioneel leven beginnen als verkoper van bv Stromer fietsen dit uitgerust zijn met Pinion systemen.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Dat klinkt goed! Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat de Pinion versnellingsbak enorm populair gaat worden zodra meer mensen ontdekken hoe makkelijk het is (zeker in combinatie met zo’n Gates tandriem). Veel succes met je onderneming!

@martinschwartz7342 Жыл бұрын

I would like to see Pinion develop an integrated gearbox/ electric motor unit.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see that too!

@777sib 11 ай бұрын

It happened 3 days ago at eurobike with the E1! Also thought about that for years after I make a first ride on the P18 about 12 years ago in Friedrichshafen

@johnnyk6906 Жыл бұрын

this would be a perfect IGH if it had a trigger shifter. grip shifter is ok for casual/light riding but cumbersome in cold/hot/bad weather/fast riding scenario where the rider will have to pay extra attention to grip/steering. overall trigger shifter will be most convenient/desire. if the future enhancement/design include a trigger shifter, I will try it. until than, I am happy with Alfine.

@dsego84 11 ай бұрын

there are 3rd party triggers by Cinq5

@mikeq7096 Жыл бұрын

A pinion C12 is in my future

@rickyuy6048 Жыл бұрын

could it possibly market in the Philippines?

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure! But if there's enough demand for it I think there wouldn't be an issue in marketing it there.

@robgamber2607 3 ай бұрын

What bikes use this motor? And is it available in the US?

@tristanbogaard 3 ай бұрын

You can find the bike companies they work with on the Pinion website, and yes! It’s available in the US, through Priority Bikes for example.

@robgamber2607 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the info.

@NevilleStyke Жыл бұрын

Is it heavier than a Stumey Archer?

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Not sure I know what that is! Can you elaborate?

@petersvancarek 6 ай бұрын

It will be a future... but it needs to go down with price! Only then it will happen.

@dvoob Жыл бұрын

They need to add a trigger shifter + continuous pedaling while shifting before I consider adding the 3-4% efficiency loss to my drivetrain.

@MrBaptista Жыл бұрын

Maybe this is not the place to ask this, but I wonder why have you chosen Pinion over Rohloff for your bikes?

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

That's fine! It was more as if Pinion chose us, since the Tout Terrain Outback comes with a Pinion gearbox only. But also, the idea of a rear wheel hub freaks me out a bit, considering swapping wheels or having to do spoke repairs is made significantly more challenging. The Pinion gearbox is easily dismounted in case of problems, and my rear wheel is free of clutter. I love it!

@pap314 Жыл бұрын

i was already sold on the gearbox... even more now

@peterahlstedt2043 Ай бұрын

Its pity that no one in Sweden sell this or service this gearboxes

@tristanbogaard Ай бұрын

Didn’t know that! May bring this up to Pinion 👍🏼

@peterahlstedt2043 Ай бұрын

@@tristanbogaard even Rohloff is the same , no dealer or service in Sweden

@elachichai 10 ай бұрын

Problem is it does not fit into an open eco system and requires frame design to house it. That limits the choice of frames - material, geometry, etc. One cannot upgrade an existing frame to use Pinion.

@treimar 8 ай бұрын

Can they repair a used pinion that is out of warranty? After watching the video it seems like a bad idea to buy a used pinion bike.

@hansolo7205 Жыл бұрын

Should be mated with belt drive!

@SolarizeYourLife Жыл бұрын

Now to if we can get pinion to reduce the price of the bracket to bike frames!!! No reason to change $1000 just for a frame!!! What is the 'best' chainring and back cog to use with the gearbox?!?

@DawaiMulders 2 ай бұрын

Mmm nice video but…. What if…. And then you wait… two three four or ??? You have to send your gearbox to the fabric and you are in Kyrgyzstan your journey is over. Or at least for a month. That’s how long it takes before you get your gearbox back. I think the Pinion and the Rohloff systems are the best but only in Europe and the states. If going to Azië I prefer my old cassette and bring some spare parts. It is a gamble that you take that can cost you a hell of a time. And if you have to stay somewhere for a month you will end in a hotel and all the costs that will bring it. Okay maybe I see some bears on the road but you have to keep that in mind. They also say the Titanic could not sink. 😅

@tristanbogaard 2 ай бұрын

Right… I think those are some big bears you’re seeing 😉 But if you ask me, I don’t mind the risk since it’s a tiny, tiny one!

@thebigjracer Жыл бұрын

Would love to see a Pinion gearbox married to a Fazua motor for my dream gearbox belt drive e-Mtb.

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@toroddlnning6806 11 ай бұрын

theoretically its not that more expencive to massproduce a pinion gearbox compared to a derailure and cassette? I dont see why this couldnt be the new standard if it is working flawlessly as they say. Especially if they can get the electronic gearling to shift smoothly under load.

@legitcrack6438 8 ай бұрын

When will it be cheaper?????????????????

@tristanbogaard 8 ай бұрын

Maybe when they scale more! The future of gearboxes is bright

@sooperdweeb1753 11 ай бұрын

Oh well . There goes $3500 out of the cat food account....

@ninjazzrhythm400 Жыл бұрын

I guess 8 more years and their patent will expire

@nupsi6 9 ай бұрын

Why does this video contain obviously wrong claims like "the first bike with a gearbox"?

@odarge 3 ай бұрын

it can be true, this one is very old, more than 100 yr old.

@nupsi6 3 ай бұрын

@@odarge Not sure if you are aware of how long bicycles have been around.

@odarge 3 ай бұрын

@@nupsi6 tell me when came for the first time a bicycle WITH A GEARBOX ? thank you.

@nupsi6 3 ай бұрын

@@odarge The Ariel was designed in 1871 I think, it was, as far as I know, the first bicycle with a working gearbox you could simply buy.

@englishman831 7 ай бұрын

Please stop the music, it is very annoying.

@tristanbogaard 7 ай бұрын

It’s baked in, deal with it 🤷🏻‍♂️

@SolarizeYourLife 4 ай бұрын

Sadly, the gearbox is not swappable with MGU, and I'm kind of pissed, none the th current or past pinion bikes can be upgraded to the MGU!!!😡 You have to make a completely new frames just for MGU👎🏽🖕Fu ck that, you lost me as a customer...

@dickdastardly5534 Жыл бұрын

Do any bike suppliers do a touring e-bike with a pinion gear and titanium frame ? That would be my ideal bike for retirement 😁

@tristanbogaard Жыл бұрын

Yes, although not traditional touring bike models. But pretty close! NordestCycles (off-road touring) and Viral Derive (hardtail) are some I’ve found.

@dickdastardly5534 Жыл бұрын

@@tristanbogaard thanks I’ll check them out 👍🏻

@777sib 11 ай бұрын

Take a look at Rennstahl or Falkenjagd in Germany nearby Munich.