It was definitely a ‘hats on’ day, so thank you. I had plenty of layers on, but the gloves weren’t enough and I could have done with some warmer socks. My own fault really, but we live and learn. Glad you survived. I’ll remember that for next time!

🤣. Sounds amazing. Though I am currently having a riding break at the side of the road in Kerala India. Not sure if it’s 37.5C, but must be close. I’m here with a lot of your fellow Australians!

@@PeakMotorcycles good 👍🏽 to hear you’re in excellent company.

My pleasure!

I shall try again when we get one 😁

That’s good, though I suppose everyone likes different things, so my positive review is because it works for me. I have friends who ride 200hp sportsbikes who wouldn’t give one of these a second look as it makes 45hp, and that has no interest to them. I’d definitively suggest riding one when you can, and also doing so on a warmer day…. I look forward to being able to ride one on a cafe crawl around the Peak District in summer sunshine and 20C+ temperatures!

This thing is a sham, plastic gearbox ,stick on pushrod cover, dummy exhaust and pointless cylinder cooling fins . Together with appalling quality frame welds how can you assess this as 'right' It is as wrong as could be and the clever object of sales trickery -BSA do not exist -Mahindra Mahindra do .

@@jonviol I’ve ridden one. My opinion is based on that. How about you?

@@jonviol You're not a fan then?

I'm sure its a perfectly useful machine and capable of many years service. I've never liked my women with paste on make up -plain and capable thanks .

Thanks!

It’s not perfect, but for the price, and a first attempt, I think it’s pretty good. I’ve ordered one 😁

Thanks Michael. I’m still learning. Until I work that out, it is just me 🤣

Thanks Edward. It was a bit long, so sorry about that, but easy to skip through too!

Thanks A, it was a bike I’d been waiting nearly a year to ride and with the blue skies and sunshine, I was willing to take a chance on the cold. I’m sure riding it in the warm would have been better, though also a 4 month wait.

It does look good, (though please accept my apologies… I ordered a red one 😁)

Thanks, it was 🤣

You should, though pick a warmer day than I did!

Yup. That sounds like a much better plan! May I ask what heated gear you have and if you run it from batteries or off the bike? I have been looking at some Keis stuff to get me through the winter but am always interested in proper recommendations.

Thanks, I’d have much rather done it in warmer weather! At least it was sunny and clear for most of it!

Thanks, I did think it was a bit long, and cut quite a lot, so thanks for not being put off! (I don’t push subs as I’d like to think if the content is good enough, folks will watch, if not I need to try harder. I also get annoyed with videos that push the ‘like and subscribe’ thing. I think it’s still in a few of my early videos before I knew better)

It was great fun, but I can definitely recommend picking a warmer day! 🤣

Thanks. Had I know, I probably would have saved it for another day, but once I was out, I thought I’d better get it done!

Thanks. On reflection, I prefer the other real world where I can feel my fingers 🤣. (That said, I try to ride all year round, and only avoid snow and ice days…)

@@PeakMotorcycles 😂😂😂 me too, currently trying to find some heated gloves😂😂

Thanks Joe. I’d avoided any videos before riding as it’s a lot easier to develop an opinion without external factors. May I ask what the others didn’t like about it? For me, it does what I expected. Not some super fast naked bike, or high tech wonder, but a retro looking bike that is very capable for a run round the Peak District with it’s 50mph limits. It felt good to ride and how any bike makes you feel will ultimately determine if it works for you. This worked for me, but I’m sure it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. I’d be interested to know what they were expecting if it fell short though. One person did mention some vibrations, but I didn’t experience that myself.

I wish my old Triumph Sprint had had a bigger radiator when it blew steam all over me in heavy traffic during a hot tour in France! Big radiator = better cooling!

Braver/Stupider, it’s a fine line 🤣. I’m just glad I didn’t crash it. They only have the one demo bike and they have a list of people wanting to test ride it.

29 degrees sounds amazing. Way better than -1! 🤣. I think they’re still trying to get the initial ones out and then I’m sure variants will follow.

Thanks Michael.

It’s an international audience so I’m sure a lot of folks have no idea where the baslow roundabout or Chesterfield bypass is, but those that know, know. And yes, it is far too cold out there! 🤣

@@PeakMotorcycles.... I used to mercilessly thrash my Z200 round those Derbyshire roads as a lad. All my meagre wages would go on petrol as I got to know the Peak District. Good times

@@juliandone15 I grew up in Sheffield, but cars (rubbish ones 😁) were more my thing. Seeing if I could get my Mk1 Fiesta Popular from Rivelin Post Office to the Glossop 30mph sign was a challenge I rarely completed (but got a lot easier when I upgraded to a Mk2 Polo 🤣)

Thanks. Is it a cold thing? Or just a ‘they all do that’? LED swap would be on my list, it’s just a shame they couldn’t do that from new. The incremental cost can’t be that much?

@@PeakMotorcycles I don’t normally ride when it’s this cold (2c 🥶) but the two times I have recently been out it surged up to around 4k when it restarted 👍

Not sure about proper, but I try to ride through the winter, if I can. (Though if I had a T100, it would also be locked away. My CCM Spitfire won’t be out again until the salt is off the roads!). Sounds like you have some fun times ahead, I’m sure one of those three will be ‘you’ I’d be interested to know which when you’ve tried them.

@@PeakMotorcycles I'm hoping to "buy" my T100 at the end of the PCP but it depends on finances at that time. In the meantime, it doesn't hurt to do "research" 😁👍

I tested the one at Bob minions, minus 4 degrees, got wrapped up well though, and bike was perfect. Couldn't fault it, handling, suspension, torque was excellent... headlight misted up a little on inside lower at the bottom, Maybe the cold. I have a classic z900 and it's convinced me to put a deposit down on one and get rid of 900, good luck with test ride..

@@awesomeappleby5923 great news 👍hope you're not waiting too long for delivery 🙏.

Agreed!

The suspension might not be top notch, but it’s definitely middle notch, which is better than expected. On the RE 650, the stock suspension (for me) is a notch or two lower and when I rode it I thought that would be the first thing I’d change. For the BSA, I’d ride it stock, at least for a while. Stay warm if you can!

@@PeakMotorcycles So it's quite okayish, Andre. For me quality suspension is very high on my list, chassis perfection rules. Having said that, how does a sluggish Transalp 600 PD06 fit in? ;-) Cheers, Günter

Define ‘beast’? The final Gold Star (B34) made 38hp and would do 110mph. This one makes 45hp and I expect has a similar top speed (it is heavier). I expect there will be an aftermarket exhaust with a bit more character, but the stock one does what it has to for emissions. I expect the performance of this one is similar to the original. Happy to be corrected if there is something significantly more beastly about the original.

@@PeakMotorcycles In 1969 junior, it was a beast.

@@mrofnocnon was that a gold star? I thought production stopped in ‘63 with the B34 Clubman?

@@PeakMotorcycles did I say the bike was a new Gold Star?

@@mrofnocnon you didn’t. But BSA have chosen to give this new bike that name. You also haven’t explained why the old bike was a beast. Any thoughts on that? If it was performance related, and this new bike has similar (if not higher?) performance would the same not apply?

There are worse ways to spend a few hours! (Pick a warmer day though 🤣)

They look great!

@@PeakMotorcycles Looks a nice bike enjoy it Andre!

It was

The super meteor looks great. I’ll definitely try one when they are around for a test ride, though cruisers aren’t really my thing. I’d choose and Interceptor or a Gold Star over a cruiser variant of either, but there is a bike for everyone and I’m sure both this and the Sup Meteor will do very well.

Yes, not impressed with the rifles sticker on the engine, i suspect that whole piece is just a bit of trim but they could have moulded the rifles in.

@@PeakMotorcycles Am gonna have a Himi/Scram then yeah a cruiser or a classic. A 40bhp enfield 350 could be nice!

@@MauriceTarantulas - The new Himalayan will be a 450!

@@daveinwla6360 I know but need a bike for next year! Maybe will have to get the scram, new Himi and a Sup Meteor. Got one kidney left🤣

Is there a name for it? 2-10 perhaps vs 8-4?

@@PeakMotorcyclesDoesn’t your Ducati do that as well?

It won’t be for everyone. I personally quite like the look, though if there is no positive emotional reaction, probably best to avoid it. If you can test ride one, that will either influence a change of opinion, or reinforce your initial thoughts.

Thanks

I felt exactly the same when I rode the royal enfield interceptor ,nice ride very smooth but had no soul..

It won’t be for everyone, nothing is. Good to have tried it though. I’m sure there’s many with an opinion who have neither seen nor ridden one. For me, it’s what I want from it. I have a CB1000R in my garage which has a fair bit of excitement, but when most of the roads around here have a 50mph limit, it’s a bit of a waste. Mind you, I quite fancy a Honda CT125 Trail (the adventure version of the Super Cub…) so I suspect we have different tastes in bikes! It’d be boring if everyone liked the same thing!

Absolutely, though it might also be a supply chain thing. I know that even BMW are currently shipping some models with different lighting due to the chip shortage affecting production of the drivers for the LED lights. The BSA’s are already a year later than originally planned so perhaps that was a factor?

Yup, that would be useful. I guess they will appear in a year, I hope!

More modern engine than the Honda Dominator copy that's in the Mash. The Mash is really nice-looking.

The mash ‘Six Hundred’ 650 classic is £1000 cheaper than the BSA. It makes 39hp vs 45hp which I guess is noticeable. Other than that I suspect it’s marketing?! 🤣

@@PeakMotorcycles That Mash looks good, but I think engines have developed since the Dominator's day.

Tricky one that… especially as I will have both in the spring. I think they are quite different bikes, the CCM is a work of art, mine has the stage 1 ECU so is 140kg with 70hp. I also have the Ohlins suspension and double front discs. It’s a bike that you really have to engage with to ride. It’s also double the price of the BSA, which to me will be a cruiser. Just a simple, fun bike to ride. Uncomplicated and easy. Both have a place in my garage, but as for which to choose, I guess it would depend on what for and how I was feeling, which probably doesn’t really answer your question. Perhaps I couldn’t decide so will have both…

@@blrmotorcyclesinc. instagram.com/p/CjyqOoNI2Wq/

@@PeakMotorcycles My sincere apologies and heartfelt condolences🙏…..I’m extremely sorry to hear about it …I was really unaware of it cos I have not followed you on Instagram yet. Never meant to hurt you. I apologise again for my mistake it was very unintentional may she R.I.P…You are a great motorcycle reviewer doing wonderful work on KZfaq and I have been watching all your videos from quite sometime …very honest and to the point opinions.Also I totally understand cos I’m a Head , neck and oral cancer surgeon myself.

@@blrmotorcyclesinc. no problem. Please excuse me sharing the link. It’s easier than explaining. I’m doing ok. Just one day at a time. You couldn’t have know. Thanks for the question, it’s all a diversion 👍

Yes I can understand how you feel…trust me again it was very unintentional and not at all directed towards you and was a general comment … may god almighty give you all the strength and courage to cope up with your great personal loss🙏pls take care

"Did you try running it just one of the 2 spark plugs?". What a weird question to ask. Why on earth would he do that?

@@terrycolley6482 - Education starts with curiosity. There aren't many motorcycle engines that have twin spark plugs. They are common, though, in aircraft piston engines, and besides redundancy for ignition, they provide a quicker combustion and thereby allow more time for power to be extracted from the expanding gas. Some racing engines also use the same technique. Since the New Gold Star has twin spark plugs, it would be educational to see the difference that they make over having only one spark plug firing. In piston aircraft, the engine is run up to a standard RPM and then the spark to one, then the other plug, is cut to see if the RPMs drop with each cut. If the RPM does not drop when one spark plug is cut. that spark plug isn't firing, and the plane heads back to the hangar.

@@daveinwla6360 It's a review, not an in depth engineering analysis of the worthiness or otherwise of a feature that has been proven to offer benefits in the combustion process. The redundancy you speak of in aeronautical applications has never been a consideration in the automotive or marine arena. You may as well of asked if the reviewer tried removing the shims from under the cam lobes for an inlet and exhaust valve to see how it runs as a 2 valve engine.

@@terrycolley6482 - Relax, guy. My question was not a negative criticism of the review. I simply asked if it had been done - just to see the effect of the twin spark plugs - since it's unique feature of this bike's engine and an opportunity to learn something.

No reply from the dealer yet. Mine is apparently one of the 200 en route so will give that a go when it gets here.

Unfortunately emotions (and marketing…) play a part in all of it. I don’t have any particular familiarity with BSA from the old brand, and I would probably have bought an RE Interceptor if not one of these. I wonder if my choice would have been Eicher or Mahindra if I’d feel the same…. Then again, I have ordered a Kove 450 Rally bike, which has no legacy or brand familiarity to me, I just liked the bike…

@@PeakMotorcycles - Re the Kove Rally 450 - review, review!

I rode the interceptor a few years ago, and I think I’d need to ride them back to back to be sure, but from what I remember, the stock suspension on the BSA is better and the engine is smoother. Build quality is similar, more false neutrals on the RE, I prefer the clocks on the BSA. The Interceptor is a bit cheaper. All that said, the bikes are quite similar. See if you can ride them both perhaps?

I live in South Wales I don't think there is a BSA dealership near, I sold my intercepter and bought a scram 411 but I would love to have the BSA

I think it depends on the ECU. I know the Euro4 CRF250L and Euro4 Himalayan can have modded ECU’s. For the Euro5 bikes it’s not available yet. I understand that for the CRF300, the ECU has been locked and no one has worked out how to unlock it. Yet. I spoke to DynoJet at EICMA, and they said it was still a work in progress. As for the law, I’m not certain. I expect it’s as legal as putting a ‘track use only’ exhaust on a bike….

@@PeakMotorcycles Thanks. I heard from a dealer here that when the bikes come in for maintenance they down load the information on the ECU like top speeds, riding history and that goes directly to the manufacturer and mods to the ECU would also be seen. It follows that this information could be used against the owners for warranty claims. I have not heard that happening to anyone at my dealership yet. I think this came in with Euro5 but I'm not 100% sure how this really works but it does make you think.

They've been for sale for a while... just no stock to deliver. Not a press release, it's a test ride on the demo bike from my local dealer. Not a press bike or something paid for by BSA. It is the final production model instead of the pre-production bikes they've had at the shows, which is nice to know they exist and actually work. If you mean available in dealers to buy, no. The first container of bikes arrived a couple of weeks ago and went to dealers as demo bikes. The first customer bikes (for those who have already ordered) are due in the new year. Jan/Feb time apparently, though I expect many will be a 1st March registration to get the '23' number plates.

You can put deposit of £500 down now, and first come first serve basis, told expect one around late Feb to march.

Nice!

That’s not great, though none of the dealers in England have any stock, so all you’re missing is the just arrived demo bikes. If you’re lucky, you’ll have dealer with demo bikes and sales stock by the time the snow has gone!

You're probably correct, but I'm not sure that matters, BSA and Triumph in the past were there to make profit, so nothing changes. The GoldStar looks good and is fairly priced, but a bit tame I suspect.

Not just BSA, also AJS, Benelli, Royal Enfield, Fantic, Malaguti, even Norton and Triumph (though at a different price point) are doing the same. I do think it’s both to revive the brand and make money from it, as I’m not sure they are mutually exclusive. All these brands didn’t go out of business because they had great philosophy and legends. They went out of business due to poor management, under estimating the quality and price of Japanese motorcycles or for failing to adapt and innovate. There is a degree of nostalgia for the originals which overlooks the shortcomings. I think the old BSA’s were special for their time, but I don’t think BSA went out of business because they were still producing exceptional motorcycles at an acceptable price. I’m sure Mahindra will sell more BSA’s than if they branded the same bike as Mahindra, though the design is heavily influenced by the legacy BSA’s and I think it is even designed in Coventry.

Is it? (I don’t think we get that here)

We shall see. Royal Enfield has been making bikes for a long time, but that wasn’t 120 years of continuous improvement, it was turning out tweaked old technology. The EFI Bullet 500’s was some progress, but until the Interceptor and the Himalayan, there wasn’t much innovation to show for a lot of that 120 years. I guess we’ll see. For now, BSA can’t supply the ordered bikes for a while, so big sales aren’t really an option unless they expect a lot of unfulfilled orders.

I think that you are wrong. BSA were once the worlds biggest producer. Their heritage is massive. I have Enfield GT Continental and love it but nothing that they have made before now would have drawn me to them. If BSA get their dealerships in place I think they are on to a winner. After all Triumph re emerged in the Nineties and all they had to begin with was the rights to the name. Now Triumphs are made in Thailand.

@@PeakMotorcyclesFair point but BSA are just chasing the success of Royal Enfield. I’m more likely to purchase the new Kawasaki z650 than the BSA and it’s got more heritage too. I’m going to stick with the Enfield, faults and all😀.Nice BSA badge though ! Good luck 🤔

@@peterclatworthy3695 I love the idea of the BSA brand but that’s all it is , a badge! The reviews of this bike are just mediocre and it’s not cheap ether. Good luck to them but it’s not for me😁.

I think they look ok, but each to their own. I thought the indicators were quite discreet compared to many others. They definitely look better than the ones on my RE Scram 411. People like different things though.

Merci Jean-Jacques. Je sais ce que vous voulez dire, et jusqu'à ce que j'aie monté le Royal Enfield Meteor 350 de 20 ch et 100 kg, j'aurais été d'accord avec vous. J'ai quelques vélos de 130cv +, et bien qu'ils soient amusants, pour ce que je vais utiliser ce vélo, 45cv, livrés avec ce couple, c'est suffisant. Venez visiter et vous comprendrez ce que je veux dire !

@@PeakMotorcycles oui moi aussi pour le couple c'est suffisant , moi aussi j'ai eu d'autre moto plus puissante . dans ma vie depuis l'age de 16 ans je roule aujourd'hui j'en ai 65 ans .. maintenant je roule avec une classic royal enfield reborn chrome bronze je suis heureux .. j'en encore a la maison une triumph 750 , une dkw 200 , suzuki vl 800 de 2006 . et encore des 50 cc , ce que je voulais dire sur la BSA elle aurai été plus belle avec une sortie complet chrome ... ici elle n'ai pas encore en Belgique !!!!

I’d rather have done it under better conditions, but if I only rode when the weather was as you suggested, I’d miss a lot of the year and I ride all year round. At least it was dry and clear, all it was missing was another 15C 😉. I wish I was riding it back in the summer, but didn’t fancy waiting another 4-5 months for things to get better.

#commentoftheweek 🤣 I could try doing all content in a Californian accent, just for you, but I expect that would be almost worse. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

@@PeakMotorcycles I am sorry, but I can't help it. You and your locals should understand your accent on subconscious level just by familiarisation, but even English mother tongue speakers from different parts of the world would have hard time understanding it. It just lacks clarity as if there is very little effort. I'm sorry ☹️

Ha ha!... I think someone’s been watching The All Year Motorcyclist’s review on the TV then reached for a phone to comment and then messaged the wrong thumbnail ! 😂

His accent and annunciation is perfectly fine and clear Unlike your manners

@@rodrozil6544e sounds perfectly clear compared to many accents I’ve heard. Not all English is spoken with the nasal drawl Valley accent that you are probably used to. Make a bit of effort.

Sadly it is what it is, nearly all old British manufacturers in many fields, are owned, run and built overseas, they are only using the old brand name to invoke nostalgia and to try a give some kudos to there products, any sane English man or woman knows that it's a pretence, but if you like the product then buy it, if you don't buy something else

Capitalism will solve this issue with no need for emotions to be brought into it. If people like it, they will get it else they wont. Also its heavy so it wont be that plasticky

It might not be British or a "real" BSA, but it is a nice motorcycle, and I love the styling. I just wish it and most modern motorcycles weren't so heavy.

You could say the same about Royal Enfields and Triumphs. Someone has a political agenda here it seems. Maybe we can get a British bike soon that isnt ten grand or over. (Isnt the Norton commando out soon cant rem the price offhand).

The 650 engine is licensed from the Austrian manufacturer Rotax. And an earlier itineration was used in BMW's F650 Funduro. There was much UK presence in bringing this bike to being the British engineering specialists Ricardo and the overall design of this "new" Gold Star was designed by Redline Studios based in the UK. Eventually some production will move to the UK. If you don't care for this bike there are plenty of other choices, though few if you're looking for something manufactured in the British Islands, that time has passed.

What sort of refinement issues?

@@richardgitz2264 vibrations creep in after reaching 60 mph of speed. Those are not light vibrations as per the reviews that I've seen so far.

I didn’t notice that, not even at 70mph. The only vibrations I could get were pushing 6-7k+ rpms in lower gears, but in 5th at 70mph I think it’s only doing 4k rpm and seemed very smooth. Mind you, I can only speak from my personal experience.

@@allah___maadarchod is this what you have noted from your own test ride?

this is a rotax engine. it will probably not have any issues, unless you got a lemon.