"Ray Charles at Stevie Wonder's speed shop". 😎😎🤣🤣

nice to see you not only being informative, educational, but enjoying yourself.i i love a good sense of humor, and bantering razzing around the shop. your momentary lack of containment, says you like your job and your not all totally stressed out. just more proof your as down to earth as i keep saying.

Oh man the into was hilarious! Had to pause awhile to quit laughing, so I wouldn't miss anything. Excellent video.

Until someone actually works in a machine shop, they just don't realize the things involved in setting up a bore or how its measured out to get the correct size. I was working with men who did this for a living, they took me in a place to just watch how they got it the right way. This was over thirty years ago... sadly even those ways are antiquated as your new tools make you aware of how it is an how it should be. Technology has grown faster than most folks realize. Good or bad, "It is what it is" and how we all learn those important things.

Hey Daniel, Tim here, i wish profilometers were everywhere back in the day, but even an old school hone job, done PROPERLY wud work fine... my evidence: my very first motor, (Poncho 400) was bored, one sleeve, honed for TRW Pistons, still runs today in a '69 Bird.....but the machine work was done by the BEST Pontiac machinist on the east coast (Nunzi)......you cudnt even tell there was a sleeve installed, my point: He had no profilometer in '83, he had expertise/knowledge.....the profilimeter gets us machinist nerds to an even HIGHER level!!......lets hope Ray and Stevie DONT try to machine anything soon!!!!.....HAHAHA.....LOVED the vid my brother!!....PEACE to you sir!!

Maybe Ray couldn't use a Sunnen but he could sing and play the piano. Appreciate that your shop is clean as most machine shops are a wreck. Keep the great content coming.

"Up here we zero, down here we full-on Ray Charles..." Spit my coffee on that one!

That was funny, but you trying to keep a straight face was a howl! Now that was a good line but I'm sure you will hear about it!🤣🤣🤣🤣😎😎

Excellent technical information in discussing the stone grit vs surface finish. Looking forward to an update video with the different stones. Keep up the great work!

Everything in life is a process. Mechanical stuff even more so. The sharing of information these days is awesome, thanks!

Excellent! I see a lot of videos of guys using the profilometer and spew readings like I’m supposed to know what they all mean. Your explanations of Rpk and Rvk were very helpful. I’d love to know what all the rest of the readings actually mean in practice. Good stuff 🤓

And the Jeff Healey Band played his guitar while they diligently worked. The blind leading the blind is so inspirational, yeah...

Smart man maximizing your craftsmanship 👍

Wow ! That was some real cool work . I can you he must have spent a lot of time on Rays block to get all those cylinders as straight as he did . The hone it dial it hone it dial it must have gone on for him for hours . Had Rays block been run like that it would have blown apart for sure . Hats off to you man you fixed it .

Lake Speed Jr. from Total Seal Rings, uses 170-180 for finished size and 600 for plateau, diamond hones. So you are right on track.

I love your sense of humor and your laugh. Good to see each one!

Wrap a sheet of 500 paper around the stones. Works good! Always use the best stones and abraisives. Norton (St. Gobain), etc. Mike

😂, had a similar thing happen, got a block in that another company did, not only did it have almost a thousands taper, smaller at the bottom, but also chatter marks at the bottom...... Had to dwell it at the bottom, but got it right.... Another great video!

very informative , being a machinist myself , its great to see a channel like this.

That dial bore gauge looks a lot like mine - except mine does smaller holes, 0.8 to 1.5 inches. I bought it for doing “model engines” having bores in that range…

Thanks for the terrific video! Informative and amusing! Awesome.

Couldnt keep it straight. Lol😂

Funny and interesting; nice job saving a botched hone job without going too big up towards the top of the bores.

Thank you for the great vids … your FT lifter vids are some of the best info on the topic I’ve watched . Depending on the cylinder material … and hardness of course … an old GM block, Darton sleeves, a new aftermarket block My current program on Dart SHP builds … measuring at 225 Brinell … 170 diamond first cut to exact size with lighter load, should give about 500 Rz. Plateau with 600 CBN light load, (CBN sharper than diamond) to an Rpk of 7-9 µin … and then burnish with brush or blocks to knock off the ‘fuzz’ Done.

I liked the analogy and the joke!

Good info, I always took in the block and pistons and just trusted what they did, may explain some of the failures I had, just took it for granted the machine shop knew what they were doing, fml, lol...!!!!!

CharlesWonder auto body paint & Machine shop you can see the Details in our work cause we sure as hell can't

RAY CHARLES AT STEVE WOUNDERS!!!!!!! IM GOING TO HAVE TO START WEARING DEPENDS TO WATCH YOUR CHANNEL!!!!! That was a good one brother.

I love to learn and I am still learning thank you.

I really enjoyed this video. Great to see small machine shops being a le to dig into the details of a cylinder surface finish. 20 years ago i worked for a Marine OEM and we were working through a ring/piston scuff issue. Being an OEM we had to run diamo d hone stones and if the stones were worn or dull they would smear the metal instead of cutting cleanly. i belive the metric was % of "torn and folded metal". There may be better metris/ controls now. I just mention it as somthing to keep in mind, better to be a little aggressive with the plateau and not have a smeared finish.

Awesome video and love the comical relief lol😅

Ha ha ha !! Love it. Thanks for the laughs & education. The best. 💪

You busted me up on your intro😂😂😂

Hahaha Love the Laugh! Good onya Mate

I've always thought, let the machinist source the pistons as the hand on the tools know what pistons are junk and which ones are good.

Hi Daniel, interesting video, we are all learning and progress for you! I under stand you can use that profilometer for gasket surfaces also! Got to love those tools!! Great job Daniel!👍👍👍

Stevie did some body work for me one time.

I honestly thought that Ray Charles was a legit machinist until I heard he worked at Stevie Wonder's shop. I get it now!

Some old cars pistons were graded by colour for size , and were quite different. Some older cars even had different bores

Great opening.

Another great video!

When a factory block is honed they use one head with literally three sets of stones three cones the heads complete were around $15000.00 each the machines have 48 spindles a diamond ream for both crank and cam same for balance shaft if present the reamers are used like a regular reamer the honing process is done with diamond not aluminum oxide or silicon carbide there is one manufacturer that only uses silicon carbide on a perfect bore less then 3 micron from a perfectly round bore just to get a crosshatch. The direction they were going was a mirror finish with an engineered laser pattern oil retention folowed by a mirror toping to knock down stubble left by laser you can not see the pattern after topping there is no grit number to make a comparison totaly different process all done in under a minute. It would require a different ring costing an Additional Dollar, thats right One dollar nixed it, but it was the only way to meet oil consumption requirements. So goes another 3-5 million engines over the life of a program one dollar is that big of a deal. Who uses the silicon carbide stone Sorry that is confidential and must remain that way If you have the right equipment to measure cylinder roundness it is obvious.

Great Info, thanks

What a classic line, I haven’t laughed so hard in a while

Very informative . . . but I do have a question. What is the gauge line and where on the piston is it located? *_Andrew_* . . great video and editing work. It makes it all so much easier to understand.

Just remember that even if you have a slight idea of what you’re doing it makes you an expert. 😊

Dan, we used to start race engines on the dyno with petroleum based oil. After break in, we would switch it over to synthetic, mostly due to cylinder finish. We worried about ring seal. As technology progressed, we started getting better at the cylinder finish, and then we could first start them with synthetic. Besides the fact of getting way better cylinder pressures.

Funny as all getout, thanks from old New Orleans 😇

I love seeing the sunnen ck10 again I ran one back in the 80’s along with sunnen line hone

I really like the old-school shop I like your set up. What is the highest horsepower engine that you have built?

Some machinists are using a bristle set of stones to get the finish you want. Lake Speed has been proposing using the roughest stone/diamond to start with and the smoothest finish stone/diamond/bristle you can find. Obviously, different block manufacturers will require a different approach. The end deal is more oil captive in the cylinder wall decreases wear.

Say thank,, I like him... I built and custom parts my self etc,,, and he is good and honnest , him accent toooo.. Thank again.

Haha, Ray was really tickling the ivories on that one

Love, to see people get tickled!😄

Ray Charles at Stevie Wonders zip shop,thats beautiful music brothers

Nice job....

It looks like someone got a cheap Harbor Freight hone and hand drill for Christmas

JUST AWSOME

Would it be better to hone a block with a torque plate or not? Having to block under stress with head torque on it would that give you a better idea of measurements? Enjoy your videos keep them coming thank you.

Great info on your honing procedure. What's your thoughts on brush hone for plateau finish?

I'm glad you didn't ever see any of mine when I got started. Self thought it's taken a lot on the learning level. My machines are manual stroke so it's all in me and timing

To machine the cylinder you need to know the property of the aluminum and know how much they will grow when they get hot and you bore and hone to the pistons, not a standard number. Remember the old Dodge, they were bored to a fractional size, not a standard bore like 4.125, 4.135 etc..

I remember those dingle ball deglaser things.... 😲😲

It would be interesting to check the ring gap at several heights in the tapered bores.

I think I've bought parts from that speed shop. I'm smarter than I was 15 minutes ago. Thank you for your time.

Daniel I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time

great video! saludos

wow, this is the aluminum 53 block i personally honed. It is my best hone i ever did, la creme de la creme, my work of art. I am certain he compares my talent in honing to ray Charles talent. Can't wait to see the video and how much he will be amazed by my perfect workmanship.

This was probably honed by hand with a drill and 3 stone cylinder hone. I've done it a few times and it's tricky for the average guy to not pull it too far out of the top. You really have to pay attention.

Ya, when he delivered mine he backed into my garage.

🤣🤣 I think your dead pan delivery needs work and I wondered if you were going to make it through it. LOL I was already laughing by the time you cracked. LMAO

That intro was funny as $hit!

Metric system for the win

Good ole silvolite i had a remand engine i pulled out a avalanche that had them, it bent a rod from a stuck injector,

When I see this I have old stones that I remove all the stone but the last inch then use the dwell bar to hold the hone at the bottom until its gone.

It is possible that the last half inch to cause premature ring failure and blow by. In my opinion of course. I enjoy watching you.

8 stone dimond stones. You get more consistent holes.

When talking about the data on your electronic reader is that telling the cross hatch pattern or the depth of the grooves that the stone leaves behind, a bit of curiosity for me. I know you said about moving to a 600 stones plus never seen that electronic reader before.

Thanks Some engines I purposely finished tight in the ring travel area.

Bore taper is an interesting topic in that how do we know it is not better with being say .001 larger at the top? I say that because the top of the pistons hotter and expands more. The rings are hottest at the top. Bore distortion is greatest at the top. And so whose to say in dynamic running conditions. That plus .001" at the top is not better. Most of us shoot for consitancy. Zero taper. But i think there is a good argument for .001 thou or less taper top to bottom not actually being a concern.

That block sounds to be superstitious

Crying laughing at 30 seconds. Hilarious.

Believe it or not stock ls 6.2 piston to wall clearance is -.002 to +.001 due to the way the piston is designed and how it expands when it is heated the tight gets looser and the loose gets tight

I had to fix some welds Ray did!

Definitely hilarious but imo squareness of the cylinder is more important than it being .001" oversized. When the cylinder has a tapper, the rings can't expand fast enough on its way back up at higher rpms to maintain the seal. I haven't tested it but have seen a poor dingle ball honed engine that I've tore apart where the owner said it would lose power about 3500-4k. The only issue I found was .0025 of tapper, top to bottom. After some research, with other people experiencing the same seneraio that had to be it. I'm not sure what the tolerances are and am not bashing you in any way. Just wanted to hear you thoughts on what I've experienced.

I’m betting that previous home job was done with a handheld drill

Now that’s funny, I don’t care who ya are!!!😂😂😂😂

Okay, that was funny!

You know its gonna be a funny when you snort before you finish saying what you're gonna say!!! LMAO! 0:20

Wow, they didn’t even go for the Ronnie Milsap honing technique….they went full on Ray Charles right from the get. Seriously though, I like you because you say “half a thousandth” or “four point o-twenty five and a half” instead of “four and two hundred fifty five ten thousandths” like a lot of other machinists on here would say just to show off.

Legitimate question here, if you've got a cylinder with excessive taper that's too tight at the bottom can't you short stroke it to clean up the bottom and then finish it with a few full strokes to make it uniform?

FYI. Stevie Wonder can actually see! Look it up!

Helen Keller is head of QC department!😂😂😂

So…the monotone man does have a sense of humor.

Ray Charles n Cornbread found a corndog

Full on Ray Charles.

I'm setting up a hone with Ebay CBN and Diamond to play around with my Cylinders may look like that 😂😂😂😂

i love the tittle !!!!!!!!!!!

That was a funny intro .I was laughing my ass off .Cheers from Australia.

How large can you take those aluminum 5.3s?