I did a complete gutting for my 25 Nissan, the top was over heated to 85 psi and lower is 110 psi. Both cycl and pistons are within specs. I horned upper, switched pistons, put new rings on top cycl. I end up 110 on both. Happy about the turn out.
@tophercoy84715 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing these Brandon! They've helped me tremendously on my own outboard.
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help.
@ThePrestige4u4 жыл бұрын
Brandon , If you would have just broken down & replaced rings on both , bet you would have had a way better result .
@markhamze1545 жыл бұрын
When you push it in. Hone it and then push it out! Moisture never goes past the rings! In 35 years of fixing engines. i have never damaged one yet!
@derekwarnock2704 жыл бұрын
It was a interesting and helpful video thanx great filming job.
@scottcoleman1623 жыл бұрын
I believe I'd get it running and run it a little while to get the rings seated in and then check the compression again. Especially since you had to hone that one cylinder as much as you did.
@haddontraditions5 жыл бұрын
I question if the lower compression is due to the used rings not matching up with cylinder wear. And if you ran it long enough for the rings to brake in with the cylinder the compression might increase?
@cliffhillquist23773 жыл бұрын
I like how you say "it's not too bad" and then follow up with "it's pretty bad". Clear as mud.
@tippet2626265 жыл бұрын
Shame you didn't show it running.
@Reeser004 жыл бұрын
Man that was a lot of work. I’ve never seen one completely torn down. Thanks for the video.
@TrakSpock15 жыл бұрын
I still think it's worth fixing. A couple of new pistons and an overbore and it'd be hard to buy a used motor for that price in that condition. My local recreational salvage facilty will trade machine work for old parts they can sell. Just a thought. It'd be nice to see one of these outboards fixed up, even if you sell it.
@buellakas5 жыл бұрын
This thing needs new piston rings,coz old ones just dont have spring action no more and as a result low compression. This motor is worth the time and few bucks spending on it for set of rings.
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
It got new rings. Old ones were broken. Well, they weren't new, they had an hour of use on them.
@fixanypc3 жыл бұрын
use transmission fluid to eat the ruse and free the piston. push down with wood block and mallet. Hone and push back out
@mikebadilla69703 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson.I needed that]Mike
@whatsupshittafabraans1926 Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing the amount of different methods of attack to a problem, to unsieze a motor lay it down spark plugs up and tip in quarter cup of heated (hot -warm) penetrating fluid, any kind of oil mixed with a solvent,and let it sit overnight, helps a lot to get the motion back n forward , and do it real slow, forcing it to free up can snap rings, love ya*s
@billyg836010 ай бұрын
exactly!! I can't believe he took a hammer and tried to beat itb out dry like that. What a waste.
@TonyGingrich3 жыл бұрын
Oh, and my theory for at least a majority of those locked motors: ethanol. Alcohol absorbs water. So when the motor is left alone for a long time, the gas and alcohol evaporate out through the exhaust. But the water that was smuggled in by the ethanol is less volatile and remains in the combustion chamber to corrode the rings and walls.
@randythomas54754 жыл бұрын
You are a certified mechanic right?? It looks like it anyhow. Keep up the videos Thanks
@tophercoy84715 жыл бұрын
Brandon, could you do a video on converting a 9.9/15hp from a manual to an automatic starter?
@jbreefer1482 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to fix a seized 1973 25 HP Evinrude outboard, and I never done anything like this before. I hope to get it fixed soon.
@williamkertesz90717 ай бұрын
Thank you for the reality Check . Awesome video!
@garycotz5632 жыл бұрын
I unseized my 4hp Evinrude with PB Blaster... took a day. Used a rope and a pipe to pull the flywheel around. Put some high octane gas in it, fired right up! Lucky Me! Then got the right fuel with some SeaFoam in it and now it runs as good as ever. I'm SURE I would have given up on it if I had saw the pistons rusted in there like this video. At least it's relatively easy to get the head off to see what's happened. Now I have 2 reasons to say Let's Go Brandon! Cheers!
@BrandonsGarage2 жыл бұрын
Thats funny. Well glad to you your got it unstuck. I has a seized one once, turned out a screw came loose under the flyweel, and wedged itself between the coil and flywheel.
@wheeliemasta23375 жыл бұрын
Nice video new sub
@MitiyB5 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks. Disassembly and Assembly-great! I would have measured the ellipse and the diameter and tolerances , perhaps counterbore under repair size.(PISTON, 030 O. S., RING SET, .030 O. S.) But the work you did is very useful for fans of this motor. Thanks.
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but that would have cost money, and time...but mostly money. Also, this is a good visualization that someone cannot simply install a good used piston and expect good results.
@pureblood31275 жыл бұрын
P.B.blaster now makes P.B. blaster with lithium grease in it that creeps , should have let that baby sit for a week .
@goto84385 жыл бұрын
great video Brandon. really enjoyed watching. one question. what is the best way to clean off gasket surfaces? I am doing up an 84 15hp and don't want to stuff up getting the old stuck on gasket off.
@henryfreund_3 жыл бұрын
I know this is a year old video, but I’m working on a 77 Johnson 9.9, and the throttle is stuck where it enters the cast of outside case. Any thoughts? Thanks
@randy1ization4 ай бұрын
You could try spinning the flywheel with a heavy drill to seat the piston rings .
@metrotkdstudio3 жыл бұрын
Hi Brandon, wondering if you can help, I just rebuild my johnson 8hp (J8RCRM) thanks to your videos in part but I'm left with 2 - 5/16 length flush mount flat head screws that need a home. Was thinking magneto assembly or reed plate. Any ideas?
@markhamze1545 жыл бұрын
Cylinder bores usually wear out in an egg shape. If you can hone out a cylynder and the cylander is honed all the way through. It means it's good! If the bottom and the top are honed and the middle isn't honing. It means you have problems!
@TonyGingrich3 жыл бұрын
Man...first half of this video was really cringe-worthy. A few tips: Use wood to tap the piston. Something barely soft enough to not deform the piston cap, but solid enough to transfer the impact from the strikes. Rust-locked cylinders "usually" lock the piston rings from the top/head. Always strike against the top of the piston head, towards the bottom of the stroke. There's far less corrosion on the walls beneath the rings--less foreign material to damage the rings or cylinder as the piston travels. Use a small "torch" lighter to heat isolated edges of the piston (not the whole thing at once). The temperature differential can catalyze a fracture in the rust bond. NEVER use a press or arbor. NEVER. Even if the piston and/or rings need replacement, it's worthwhile to mitigate additional damage as much as possible. You don't want to hone "all" of the rust away from the cylinder walls. Too much honing--combined with past and future honing--will widen the bore. Oversized pistons for OMC are almost impossible to find these days, so you want to reduce the risk of needing a rebore. Instead, use the original piston and rings for a brief "break-in" period before replacing them. The rings usually will wear away faster than the cylinder, and the piston's fitment is much more precise and constant than a handheld hone. And probably wasn't so important to a motor this clean and low hours. But a very heartbreaking lesson I've learned: remove the exhaust cover and clean the the carbon buildup out. Those motors usually are run for decades without anyone ever cleaning that cavity, so I typically find diamonds caked up everywhere. When you clear rust away from the cylinder walls, often that rust is bonded to the carbon built up around the exhaust ports...so those chunks tend to break away when turning the motor, falling into the combustion chamber. And when the thing finally fires off, you immediately score up the wall and trash what would have otherwise been a perfectly good powerhead.
@MTTavi015 жыл бұрын
Hey do you have a tiller handle for a 15hp evinrude 80s and the gears that go with it
@aquamarine_56953 жыл бұрын
So question do you have any other engines that the power head has gone bad/blown and if so do you live close by South Carolina?
@johnbladykas44544 жыл бұрын
Don’t you love keyless chuck on drills. Do sell any parts?
@mijead005 жыл бұрын
God work
@FernandoDIY5 жыл бұрын
good show mate. just wondering how long did it take to strip it down and reinstalling
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
5 hours; but I was being lazy along the way too; Getting distracted by nearly everything.
@williamouellette82203 жыл бұрын
Brandon, i have a '63 10 hp johnson, upon removal of the lower unit, the upper shift rod came out with the lower shift rod. yes they were. unscrewed from each other. the threads on top of the upper shift rod look like a nut is missing and must be some where. do i have to remove entire powerhead to put that nut on the shift rod assembly? thanks ,i've watched your videos over and over and you are the best! Willie
@BrandonsGarage3 жыл бұрын
yes, probably
@rockhavenfarm7614 жыл бұрын
bro! you cant ball hone a 2 stroke and throw in new new rings and expect 120psi before its run? start her up and go through the rev range for a few minutes then stop her and lit it cool over night then start her up the next day and run for a while then do a compression test
@manuelperez5155 Жыл бұрын
did you take a class for outboard small engine repair. pretty good at it. or did you just jump in to it?
@stevewilliams48825 жыл бұрын
I feel like (Jack Burton) Kurt Russell narrated this
@russelldevane54345 жыл бұрын
Man that is funny! Sounds just like him!
@ronaldbertin94552 жыл бұрын
The truth often hurts because it is the TRUTH
@trueasdrewvn71325 жыл бұрын
"not bad,, but pretty bad" feeling it brother, put a ton of hours thinking, eh it'll go... but after it ran, did the psi on the upper cylinder creep up once the rings had settled in? did it get any better? please let me know. because i was just given an 82' 9,9 johnson that i'm about to rip into and this vid is prepping for tomorrows task. rgds
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
No, it ran like absolute trash. Was too embarrassing to make a video of it running. However, don't let that discourage you. That was just my luck of the day. I've taken trash engines, fixed them with used and detestably junk spare parts, and have gotten great running engines.
@trueasdrewvn71325 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonsGarage Thanks, don't worry it won't put me off, will see tonight how it is, I gotta start somewhere, encouragement appreciated!
@trueasdrewvn71325 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your great videos, they helped ressurect my own old 9.9 and here's a silly tribute. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbN5o5SGt5y3YZ8.html
@robertpc1005 жыл бұрын
man i wouldnt have forced that so quickly like that.u need to buy some kroil.its the best
@jimcatx30904 жыл бұрын
The motor is cold the numbers will go up when you brake it in why not get new rings there 30 buck on each set that motor is worth 400 all day
@osbornebay9445 жыл бұрын
Why one lower compression on one than other?
@markhamze1545 жыл бұрын
I would pour some brake fluid into the ceased piston. Then i would hit it in. Then hone the cylinder and push it out!
@capecodmikemike74824 жыл бұрын
I have the stuff!!! AND THE KNOWLEDGE
@lesterkirby33674 жыл бұрын
A night mare of a dose ... if it starts easy and runs well ... its worth all the hassel ...done them them before ... a hit and miss job... can be lucky ...
@robertpc1004 жыл бұрын
and not any honing or no new rings.WHY?
@markhamze1545 жыл бұрын
The piston never touch the bore. Only the rings touch the bore. If it's a two stroke. The piston has to be in good condition! In four strokes. you can have slightly scratched or damaged pistons. If i'm buying a two stroke. I always take the muffle off and inspect the piston. A good piston has no scratches. It is important that a 2 stroke piston is in very good condition!
@joey6119 Жыл бұрын
Waiting word perfect at work again
@quailbird33 жыл бұрын
Brandon, I pastor a small church in Rich Hill MO and I bought a boat and motor earlier this year. The guy said he had the carburetor cleaned but I took it off and sure enough it was very clean. My motor is a Johnson 6 horse and it runs and idles good and with it out of gear it revs up very high. But when I put it in gear it only runs a little above idle speed! I cannot figure it out. Have you ever run into this type of thing? Your friend in Christ Carl Covey.
@Rscmgw235 жыл бұрын
What did you use to wash the motor with looked brand new again haha
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Dawn dish soap. Stuff is great for anything.
@loracehooker3036 Жыл бұрын
It might have helped to put some oil on that cylinder for a while
@wilraas5 жыл бұрын
What type of sealant did you use on the head gasket?
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Gasket Sealing Compound: amzn.to/2shEvO4
@TCGEL3M3NT22 күн бұрын
What type of lube was used on the inside?
@TEKKKNO2 жыл бұрын
Ive seized 35 hp 1977 upper i did start working on it but almost every bolt is seized its hard to work on it
@sinisters5502 Жыл бұрын
Having issues with my 9.9 and I’m at my wits end. Is there a way to send a video to you and see your thoughts? Rather do it myself it’s the dyi in me.
@BrandonsGarage Жыл бұрын
yeah, click on "brandons garake" then about, and you'll see my email
@bahadirdogan62084 жыл бұрын
Could be nice to see running,whole video I been waiting to see that
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
Its coming soon my friend, soon
@Guns_N_Gears3 ай бұрын
Any ide where I can find a lockout spring for the same lockout as yours? Mine is missing, looks like it is not 100% needed as gravity would probably be OK, but I want to make mine correct. Part is NLA
@BrandonsGarage3 ай бұрын
Not something people usually care to replace, so it doesn't surprise me it's discontinued. I would probably just goto the hardware store and see if you can find something close
@Guns_N_Gears3 ай бұрын
@@BrandonsGarage thanks for the reply! I was thinking that too. I have a small 6" scale I can lay in there to get the length measurements. Ace hardware here we come....
@MrStu19603 жыл бұрын
Have you sold this motor yet? I have a 74, 9.9 that I've had since I was a kid and yours has LOTS Of parts That would fit on mine??
@richardelinskas66633 жыл бұрын
Your at rockstar status for just being able to tear it down and put it back together correct. Awesome content
@randomdude17865 жыл бұрын
I'm tellin ya clean that old piston up. Throw a spare motor up in the bow. Take that thing out for some quality WOT time. Well if you throw those old rings in some 50/50 vinegar/ water and they clean up. Be the better "expieriment"
@bradfordpalmer22983 жыл бұрын
Vinegar?
@markhamze1545 жыл бұрын
Cheap is good! People don't want to pay! Every body wants every thing for nothing! I'm here to make a profit!
@richardwernst3 жыл бұрын
I know this is old but after all that, you didn't even start it??? Wow, very disappointed. With different/used rings on honed walls, I'd be surprised if the compression was much higher. I'd love to have you run it for a while, preferably on a boat for an hour or so at varying speeds, loads, etc., then do the compression test on both cylinders again.
@Bobbywolf643 жыл бұрын
Yea, I was thinking the same. Even on fully redone top ends, the compression is always better once the rings have time to bed in. If you read this Brandon, did you ever run this? Edit: I just watched the video where you replaced the entire powerhead on this with a known good. I still would have tried to run this before going that route.
@robertpc1005 жыл бұрын
i dont get it.id have layed it down and sprayed it full of kroil for 2 days before tearing down new motor.but ur good
@AAHKLEE4 жыл бұрын
Kroil is the greatest invention since the wheel.
@robertpc1004 жыл бұрын
brandon do you have a piece of gasket material about 5;; x 6'' that goes ender outboards around exhaust im tryin to afix a 1949 powerhead to a 1953 and water tube is different but if i can alter the gasket from the one like the qd-14 1953 i think i can bolt it up and use the entire powerhead.its very similiar and i have a new 1953 gasket but their is a bigger slot towards middle of powerhead where water comes up through grommet on 53 and 49 has a pipe compression piece i took out and if i can get right material i think it will work.or maybe you can tell me what or where to order a blank piece.i have 2 types,pretty tough,gas resistant and such but the thickness is too thin.any ideas please help its for my 01 year old dad.please.great videos.you know your stuff is why im reaching out.thank you Robert
@jimcatx30904 жыл бұрын
Robert Andrews he never replies
@robertpc1004 жыл бұрын
@@jimcatx3090 yeah,thats ok hes off my list
@robertpc1004 жыл бұрын
@@jimcatx3090 im gettin a library card to big library or even so,their are more that will at least reply.greedy jackleg
@jimcatx30904 жыл бұрын
He is good but also a hack he never shows that most bolts get broken
@TotallyBallistic3573 жыл бұрын
Wtf, I watched the whole video. Why didn't you try starting it?
@markhamze1545 жыл бұрын
Pistons must be the same weight! I simply would have taken out the 2 pistons from the other engine and checked the ring gap only! Also the distance of the stroke has to be the same!
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Do they? When rebuild an engine, you don't need to bore every cylinder, you can use an oversize piston in only one hole if you wish. The OS piston will be a few grams heavier.
@DouglasGKunkleEsq Жыл бұрын
Is it supposed to have a tell tail pee outlit?
@BrandonsGarage Жыл бұрын
Not this year
@brianandrews70994 жыл бұрын
Bar codes kinda started in about 1974, so your can of penetrating oil is probably that old or older. I don’t buy into your final assessment of the motor. You need to start it and let the “new” used piston and rings seat in. I’m betting the compression comes back into a very useable range and that motor gives some good service for a long time. I also doubt your gonna get by with just a quick inspection of the float and float chamber of the carb You should have disassembled it, soaked it overnight in a bucket of carb cleaner, and reassembled with a new kit. I doubt seriously that this engine is as worthless as you think, but its gonna need a few bucks spent on it to be ready for the water!
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
I agree, but I'm not done with it yet.
@jimcatx30904 жыл бұрын
If would of been cool for the sake of science if you took a measurement of cylinder walls if it was still in tolerance I have been reading a lot that they get out of round have you experienced this
@johnhicks95292 жыл бұрын
Hey there's A place in Lanier,Georgia that sales boats&egines parts.& possibly even whole used engines to. You maybe able to find your 9.9 engine parts there reasonably. Just thought I'd throw.,or toss out that information to you. It might.,or might not be of some help to you with your engines needing parts.
@stephenearly95504 жыл бұрын
All that hard work and time for nothing. You didn’t want to spend a dime on it. What a shame.
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
Well the parts I used sure weren't free. On a side note, the engine is now running fine, seeing constant use.
@stephenearly95504 жыл бұрын
Brandon's Garage what did you have to do to fix it? Plez invest in a flexible home.
@abhvgas4 жыл бұрын
you took the power head off mostly for the video content right? im just thinking, you got it super cheap. wouldn't it been easier to just pull the head, tip it on end, and spray some penetrating oil on the stuck piston and let sit for a day or 2? then slowly tap the piston down. also take a propane torch and heat the piston a bit to break the bond from the cylinder wall. once free, put the head back on and see what compression your working with. if it did have a bit low, the good piston maybe could make up for the not so good one. now you have 2 pistons with poor and really poor compression. you know running that might of freed up the bad piston rings without taking it all apart. and if not who cares its a cheap parts outboard now.
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
Eh, mostly. I haven't had much luck unsticking engines in the past; so I've been mostly just opening them up to see whats going on. I would agree, it is usually a parts motor at this point, but I haven't given up yet!
@edwinschwank2446 Жыл бұрын
I have "un-ceased" hundreds of motorcycles by first pulling the plugs and pouring in diesel fuel....and let them sit for a week, or in really bad cases, a month. Empty cylinders and spray oil in ....move THE PISTON BACK AND FORTH...NOT ONE WAY ONLY...This will do the job without the tear down. Next, this is NOT automotive clearances....in that there is lots of room between piston and side wall....rings are what matters. You could have used (modified if necessary) rings from the other engine. Clean out the piston walls, and clean up the pistons and put it back together with install lube. It will run for a very long time. Never ever mix and match pistons...if you expect any longevity from the engine. Bearings too....they are matched.
@kaydenmcclenny86935 жыл бұрын
at 3:20 what are the two blue things
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Ignition Coils
@charlesfitton96773 жыл бұрын
All that and you didn't run it?
@jdavis86044 жыл бұрын
Didnt have to do all that
@storyoc5 жыл бұрын
you can buy a 15hp evinrude carb and put it on that motor and itll bee a 15hp-its the same block for both motors-i know cause i stumbled on that tidbit of infor looking for another carb for my same motor-got one from cr list for 50 bucks-what a diff it makes pushin my 14ft fiberglass v hull-my motor also if a 1976 but sits on a 1984 lower unit-who knew cept the old wrench turner i used to get parts from-hes dead-rip -zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
@randy1ization4 ай бұрын
try SUPERZILLA..
@ronbarbee45534 жыл бұрын
Can the transmission be changed from forward to neutral with the engine not running?
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
On a 9.9? Not without the throttle down. The shift lock-out lever wont allow it. Otherwise, yes, can be shifted into neutral.
@ernestovino27012 жыл бұрын
Hi Brando’s is anyway that I can contact to you
@randythomas54754 жыл бұрын
On that particular motor what is a ball park figure that it would cost to bore it and put in new pistons and get it in top shape?? I will not hold you to the numbers just a ball park, And as usuall Great video, I enjoy these
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
Not much, probably $250 for piston(s) and boring., then $100 in solvents and gaskets, add another $50 for Lower unit/water pump service.
@rbruce63 Жыл бұрын
In 2003 I overheated my 1969 Chrysler 20 HP that my dad had in storage for decades. It scored the piston sleeves. Compression was at 108 psi on the top cylinder and 105 psi on the lower cylinder. Towards that end I procured the overhaul for the engine however, there are no new cylinder sleeves available nor oversize pistons and rings. So I purchased a used powerhead at $150 that I have kept for the near future, either to put new pistons or to replace it. I purchased a compression gauge on Amazon and I will make my decision on putting the newer power head on the motor. Thanks for the shown effort I might do the same for my old Chrysler 20!
@user-mc9ny2iz7k3 жыл бұрын
Прогреть надо блок и все выйдет.
@chrischris80733 жыл бұрын
That sucked. Run it, then checked compression.
@joey6119 Жыл бұрын
Whatever you get what I'm saying I hope
@danieljohnson3275 жыл бұрын
you said not very helpfull . not true dont buy a low hour motor thinking you can unstick it and get get great results
@kodibassInsideoutboards5 жыл бұрын
I the power head comes off, New water tube / exhaust Grommets go in. ,, kodi
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
Usually, but I didnt have any. And the current one didn't seem bad at all.
@joey6119 Жыл бұрын
Waisting
@johncarroll55484 жыл бұрын
ih to all i sill haved 15hp for evirade can
@jimcatx30904 жыл бұрын
Ok you took apart 3 motors in this video and used all that time and couldn’t buy 2 sets of rings I just don’t understand you probably could of got 350 -400 for that motor
@BrandonsGarage4 жыл бұрын
Rings I installed had only a few hours on them.
@jimcatx30904 жыл бұрын
Brandon's Garage what’s a fair price on a non running 15 hp 1985 with good compression
@themilkman17845 жыл бұрын
Completely screwed that cylinder bore with that ball hone, went way too long with it. All you need is a light crosshatch, its not supposed to look like someone took a grinder to the inside. Look at the other cylinder wall to compare. Guarantee that's why it has such low compression
@BrandonsGarage5 жыл бұрын
My other 15's got the same treatment, with the same hone, 2 years later they are still running strong.
@francimasaza87494 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonsGarage Right, PSI is not bad....
@francimasaza87494 жыл бұрын
My PSI kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZiZgMWLzODUonk.html it works great, the water test follows kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdCjeqmJq8W4hY0.html
@daddski12 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonsGarage My other 15's got the same treatment.....If so you got lucky friend. A ball hone on a ported cylinder is a disaster waiting to happen. After 50 years of building these machines I can tell you this NEVER DO IT. You destroy the shape of the ports immediately and this guy was correct. It chewed up the cylinder and those little balls.... they catch in the ports and nothing gets honed evenly. Use a regular hone of the correct size. And just a few strokes does it. Also, there was a mechanic above telling you how to do this without tearing the engine down. It very well should have worked on this engine. Saving it and a lot of money.
@2fast4you253 жыл бұрын
Did not even try to run it or show it. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮👎👎👎👎👎👎