Fixing Faulty Ebay Junk - Final Part 4 - Xbox RROD

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4th and final part in my 'fixing faulty Ebay junk' series where I document my attempt at fixing a RROD Xbox 360. In this update I breifly explain some of the options available for fixing the RROD and give my opinion on the subject. I completely rebuild the console and start the process of stress testing before finally reselling.
Microsoft's cooling system in the original 360 was really badly designed and is very inefficient. The fan shroud mod is a simple way to help direct and increase airflow over the GPU heatsink. I can't find the original tutorial by the guy who originally came up with the idea but doing a quick google search I found this pretty good one...
tinyurl.com/6b4...
It's not going to undo Microsoft's design flaws but it will help :P
This is the final part to the 360 series but I have more consoles on the way. Next up I have a Nintendo DS which is refusing to play games. I hope to do more of these videos over the coming weeks.
Thanks for watching!

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@bhugeloo95 9 жыл бұрын

after all these years ! still watching the videos

@AtariBorn 9 жыл бұрын

Just to add my 2 cents...the reason so many of these consoles failed is because Microsoft chose to go with lead free solder on all of the 360 systems. Supposedly, lead solder is not allowed in most European countries and, in order to save money, Microsoft decided to make all of their systems lead free, rather than have two different manufacturing companies make two different versions, one with lead free solder and another using conventional solder. Lead free solder has a lower boiling point than conventional solder and liquefies at lower temperatures. Even if they had went with two types of solder, European consoles would have had a high failure rate, so the initial problem was with inadequate cooling methods. They should have had a better cooling design or went with cooler running processors, from the start. Like with the later, revised 360 consoles.

@pigsmellfrommecca 9 жыл бұрын

AtariBorn True that!

@MundoComic 9 жыл бұрын

AtariBorn And that's why reballing is the main way to fix that problem :P

@danielm2142 9 жыл бұрын

AtariBorn And that's why us Europeans always got the short end of the stick.

@pigsmellfrommecca 8 жыл бұрын

True that!

@iGF3R 6 жыл бұрын

AtariBorn a friend of mine reballs Xbox 360 and the launch console 2005 has had the cpu, gpu and rsm. Chips reballed with lead solder and he hasn't had 1 of his consoles come back to him

@AndehX 8 жыл бұрын

I did the machine screw fix to my xbox in 2011. To this day, it still runs without any issues.

@AndehX 8 жыл бұрын

+MrBoomBoomBoom actually it doesn't. the x clamp that Microsoft uses us what warps the board.

@acepvp271 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndehX let me guess, its broken now. The x clamp fix works but a proper way is to replace the gpu

@RetroGameTech 13 жыл бұрын

@shadowtsunami Surprisingly yes. It's a release console and they were noisy as hell. The fans are running at normal speed and the game is being read from the dvd drive + the power brick has built in fan and that's sitting just out of shot to the right. In it's defence though the microphone makes it sounds a lot worse than it is in real life. But yes it is noisy as hell and yes that was what Microsoft deemed to be acceptable. lol.

@codenamegamma 13 жыл бұрын

i like doing the Uniclamp "Fix" you have to modify the metal casing to fix some things, but ive used it on 4 boxes already, and they are all going strong.

@RetroGameTech 13 жыл бұрын

@keearun Yes, Microsoft's air cooling design for the original 360 is very inefficient. The fan shroud mod helps direct and increase airflow over the heatsinks. It has been tested and proven to significantly lower temps.

@RetroGameTech 13 жыл бұрын

@shadowtsunami Not had a chance to add it yet. Check back later :P

@matiasjose9844 10 жыл бұрын

i know that this is kind of old but if you still reading you should know that when you say reflowing that is just what you are doing, what you should say is that you should send it to reballing, the reflowing process doesnt involve removing the gpu

@faefdsedf 9 жыл бұрын

Great video, really informative. Keep up the good work!

@Evaldas65 10 жыл бұрын

Could you make more of these, please? I really loved these.

@zybch 8 жыл бұрын

So is overheating the console a permanent fix? I only ask because you didn't seem to say anything about it in the video...

@zybch 8 жыл бұрын

+MrBoomBoomBoom Damn you internet and your inability to convey pretty obvious sarcasm.

@NeoNyder 8 жыл бұрын

+Mike Caddick All the new consoles are put together with lead free solder which is why they keep failing, unless your removing the lead free solder and reballing with lead solder its a temporary fix.

@zeyogoat 8 жыл бұрын

I overheated the console and it worked but the next time I turned the console on and it was broken again?? Maybe he mentioned it in the video but scotish is hard to understand to a english native speaker lol

@NeoNyder 8 жыл бұрын

He only overheated it to determine if the issue was due to heat/solder problems, if your unit is working after overheating you are a victim of the EPA and lead free solder lol

@xXfirewood149Xx 13 жыл бұрын

@RetroGameTech Well for that time because thats why they came out with new models.. To fix hacks/flashes/mods and for less power consumption and heat making it less noisy... They just announced the brand new GPU-CPU pair for the Xbox360 Slim console, making it even more quiet and faster.

@ncc74656m 9 жыл бұрын

Certain laptops have the same issue with the solder failures, and the best solution I've found short of completely reflowing the GPU with leaded solder is to bake the motherboard. Works a treat, and generally keeps running without a problem.

@ncc74656m 8 жыл бұрын

+Kim Jong-Il Say, aren't you dead, Dear Leader? Anyway, yes, the XPS M series (1530 and 1330), among a few other high end models like that. But also those crappy Macbook Pros, and those crappy HP laptops, and that crappy PS3. It was a problem, as mentioned, with the switch to lead free solder in those situations where the units got exposed regularly to very high heat, particularly in regular cycles. Personally, I plan when I get a few dollars to spare, to get a reballing station, mostly to use on one specific project, but also, if I get good with it, to repair 360s and a few other devices.

@ncc74656m 8 жыл бұрын

+Kim Jong-Il Not sure if any of the Celeron laptops were affected - I never heard of any of those having that kind of failure, and tech is what I do for a living - along with paying attention to inane details that end up coming in handy. But yes, the XPS models were definitely affected, I had a few of them given to me over the years by people who'd had them fail, and they were all a result of the GPU losing connection.

@ncc74656m 8 жыл бұрын

+Kim Jong-Il Since the 5030 wasn't bonded in the same manner, that is, using BGA mounting directly to the board, it's unlikely that this is the same type of failure.

@thecow2756 8 жыл бұрын

you could get a heat gun and re-flow it as that is used multiple times to install some chips to boards and such so it wont damage the console as the chips can take over 300 C before breaking or melting but usually 250 is enough to re-flow

@NeoNyder 8 жыл бұрын

+thecow275 He mentions that option in the video series and why he doesn't want to take that measure,

@SheWasAHoowa 13 жыл бұрын

i just did this for my friends xbox and after i bent back the x clamps it worked fine and now hes gonna sell it and give me some profit. thanks! :D

@RetroGameTech 13 жыл бұрын

@LarryBundyJr People say horizontal is more efficient and it probably is (very slightly). But to be honest the first version of 360 is so riddled with critical design flaws that it doesn't matter :P .

@theoriginalelzincho 12 жыл бұрын

ive done that to x boxes it does cool them a lot beter but if you put more that half way up it resticts the air the console can pull in

@Tclans 7 жыл бұрын

I fixed my machine with the machine screws. It still works nowadays in 2016, where i boot it occasionally.

@theoriginalelzincho 12 жыл бұрын

hey just something i noticed at 3:14 you say " re-flowed " but all a solder re-flow is is melting the same shitty solder back with a heat-gun. a re-ball is what you describe in the video they remove heat-syncs and add lead solder that wont break unlike the aluminum stuff normally on the console

@roketm4n 13 жыл бұрын

I love this.. now your done with the small series, rename it so you'll get more views from people wanting to fix their xbox's you deserve more views :D

@blubaustin1 10 жыл бұрын

I usually just reflow the solder by overheating it, and then run the fans at full speed. Fixes the problem 9/10 the other 1/10 its not the gpu/cpu it was another chip that needed to be reflowed then it worked.

@KillerZero259 13 жыл бұрын

awesome video!! keep the ebay junk series up!!! very educational!!!!

@ArchimedesLockheart 12 жыл бұрын

Considering how long computers have been around it's kind of surprising that Microsoft was unable to use a reliable method of adhering their chips to the motherboard...

@maxtheax 12 жыл бұрын

nope, not unless you let connect to live while you're still fixing it or anything.

@karatee21 10 жыл бұрын

More video's please.

@eArtrash 13 жыл бұрын

3:05 - i think you 'reballing'not reflowing. Reflowing doesnt involve replacing the solder balls.;)

@RandomHeroGames 13 жыл бұрын

@LarryBundyJr Theres really no proof of your console being more likely to fail from just having your console in a certain position. Although the 360 does have a pretty big intake grill where the console stands on when you put it vertically.

@retrovision7218 4 жыл бұрын

Love your work

@oxygenyourlife 13 жыл бұрын

Hey RetroGamerTech! I recently got RRoD, It only shows up one red light and has error code E74, do you think the repair process will be similar to this? I've looked error codes and it seems it's the same problem as yours. Thanks in advance.

@lacottis 6 жыл бұрын

I ended up here because I wanted to replace my R2 button on my PS4 controller, now I know what to do if I get the ring of death on my non-existing x-box 360 (I watched every part as well) 😂

@bland9876 9 жыл бұрын

no what to do if your three sixty is not reading discs at all that's what mine is not doing it runs perfectly fine but it is not reading discs it just says unrecognized disc :( especially sense i'm one of those people that goes physical over digital

@brettscotland 13 жыл бұрын

Well done mate nice fix

@keearun 13 жыл бұрын

Cardboard over the heat sink?

@DUCKDUDE4100 11 жыл бұрын

I really like the old models and if you haven't sold it yet (I know that's unlikely though) I was wondering if you would sell it to me?

@02John04 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! maybe i'll invest in a RROD box (I know £15 don't sound like much but I'm skint these days and this should help me make some money.

@P5ychoFox 13 жыл бұрын

Great series. Looking forward to more :)

@theoriginalelzincho 12 жыл бұрын

it also costs 50 dollars to re-ball on ttg

@CrAzYLuiGi958 12 жыл бұрын

is it true that if you repair the xbox 360 yourself the console is banned from xbox live?

@simpsins123 11 жыл бұрын

Yes, the RRoD flags your console and shuts down your os key 1 year later

@Robo1875 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your help

@bloodrace 8 жыл бұрын

Does a opus get a RROD quickly?

@BudKingUK 11 жыл бұрын

I make my money from case mods i will buy an xbox that is a 2009 jasper or later make sure the void label is in tact and then customise it and they sell for nearly double or more if i set it to bid on ebay

@dustinbowls420247 11 жыл бұрын

im going to try your method you seem to know what you're doing.

@RadioactiveGoose 11 жыл бұрын

Do you maybe know if this fix is somewhat of a permanent fix? I know no fix is permanent but I hear most fixes after the RROD have an average duration of 6 months. With exceptions some fixes last 2 years but never as long as a newly bought console. Do you know why this is? Is there any permanent damage done after a RROD? Hope you can tell me.

@streetz180 13 жыл бұрын

Whats ur ebay. Thanks for all your videos bro

@TheUnspokenDream2 11 жыл бұрын

Amazing work

@cor1128 13 жыл бұрын

is this a goed way two fix a ps3 ?

@Edey117 12 жыл бұрын

How much did you end up selling it for mate? :)

@Robo1875 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks man

@matejizakovic 13 жыл бұрын

Yes, do more videos! :D I love them! :D

@Robo1875 10 жыл бұрын

Can you get the red ring of death with an xbox 360 jasper?

@deanboxer6362 10 жыл бұрын

yes but it is not as common with that motherboard

@Kofi_Mensahs_BurnerAccount 9 жыл бұрын

The only way I've seen that mobo get the rrod is if you screw up while flashing Lt firmware. Almost screwed mine but got there in the end.

@zybch 8 жыл бұрын

+NightcoreCentral The Jaspers are great. I can't remember if they had that additional little heatsink connected via a heap-pipe to the GPU, but that seems to help too.

@natsurusenou131 8 жыл бұрын

They can

@Glensidebhoy 12 жыл бұрын

can i ask what ur name is on ebay? would like 2 mabie buy summit uve fixed.

@Aidos8158 12 жыл бұрын

Do you have an Xbox 360 ??

@d3cx4life 13 жыл бұрын

whats your ebay?

@DUCKDUDE4100 11 жыл бұрын

No thanks, my friend has an old one that is STILL working perfectly and he's selling to me cheap.

@Passenger-nj7in 7 жыл бұрын

Since the X-Clamp-Fix isn't a permanent solution i think all those affected consoles should be put to their eternal rest, it's a waste of time and money really..