Fixing Portugal - Medieval 2 Total War

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MELKOR

MELKOR

3 жыл бұрын

How could the Portuguese be improved in Medieval 2 Total War, to be more enjoyable, and historical at the same time.
For this series we take a faction that the community believes got cheated in Total War. We then discuss it's problems and try and improve it, keeping roughly within the limitations off the game engine.
This is done for fun, but if any developers want to take any of these ideas, feel free to.
Portugal is not historical at all, but I think I can make it work, and make it more interesting to.
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@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 3 жыл бұрын
Portugal is an interesting one, given that it should not exist at all. How would you fix it, keeping by the same rules?
@ryancarpenter7625
@ryancarpenter7625 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video you should do one on all factions
@FaithfulOfBrigantia
@FaithfulOfBrigantia 3 жыл бұрын
I would fix it by adding the settlements of: -Compostela (Castile & León) -Porto (Portugal) -Évora (Moors) -Seville (Moors) -Tangiers (Moors) -Mogador (Moors) And Lisbon would start as rebel. If adding settlements isn't an option i would outright replace the 6 new world settlements by these 6. The new world really doesn't belong in a Medieval game set in the 11th century, if one wantsthe New World experience one should play the Americas expansion. Instead by adding these settlements, the Reconquista experience would be far more enjoyable than taking 2 settlements in the first 5 turns, Portugal would have 2 settlements to conquer and Castille would have 5, then after the Reconquista is over Portugal could follow it's historical route and conquer another 3 settlements in Moroco. I would be more than willing to see the New World permanently gone if they made the Reconquista remotely enjoyable. We are talking about the longest and blodiest war in medieval European history, the way the Reconquista is adressed in M2TW makes the Punic Wars in Rome look like they have an Imperator:Rome level of detail.
@MBP1918
@MBP1918 3 жыл бұрын
It was technically a duchy of Castile in 1080
@FaithfulOfBrigantia
@FaithfulOfBrigantia 3 жыл бұрын
@@MBP1918 Léon* Castile technically didn't exist independently in 1080 either.
@GarkKahn
@GarkKahn 3 жыл бұрын
Just take them out of navarre and give them another settlement in portugal
@Randomstuffs261
@Randomstuffs261 3 жыл бұрын
Portual : *Arrives early* Aztecs : *well... we had a nice run*
@prussianrocket2702
@prussianrocket2702 3 жыл бұрын
Aztecs actually have doomstacks and are quite hard to defeat by using early units
@makky6239
@makky6239 3 жыл бұрын
@@prussianrocket2702 As the Mayans i actually find it easy to defeat Europeans, just using dread units and generals with high dread, and just charge lol
@anonymous_coward
@anonymous_coward 3 жыл бұрын
I'd take away Pamplona from Portugal and split the Lisbon province into Porto and Lisbon with Portugal only in control of Porto. Then I would in the campaign opening have the campaign advisor point out that you can take advantage of a crusade to take Lisbon even if the actual target of the Crusade is somewhere else. Secondly depending on whether Porto starts out as a castle or city I would give the Portugal either a unique economic building or the ability to recruit one of the castle only units in a city. Which ever compensates for what Portugal loses by only having one starting settlement. I would also make Lisbon either Moorish or Rebel and if Rebel then give Lisbon a very strong garrison. That would make Portugal different from Spain and at the same time more historically accurate.
@FaithfulOfBrigantia
@FaithfulOfBrigantia 3 жыл бұрын
This
@sevenpolar3483
@sevenpolar3483 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think changing Portugal is the right way to settle this. They needed more settlements along the coast of Africa for the Portuguese to take. I also like the idea of getting the new world quicker, but I think it should be tied to the master level explorers guild instead. Explorers guild should also be more about having a big navy and less about sending your navy off on crusades.
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 3 жыл бұрын
I like these ideas
@FaithfulOfBrigantia
@FaithfulOfBrigantia 3 жыл бұрын
They should also add more settlements in Iberia altogether. Portugal does not have a single historical settlement to take, despite that being basically their entire Medieval history.
@VitorEmanuelOliver
@VitorEmanuelOliver 3 жыл бұрын
They need to divide the portuguese territory into smaller pieces. Porto in the north, Lisbon in the center/south and Faro in the south. Then Portugal should own only Porto while the other cities should be rebel or belong to the moors
@RocketHarry865
@RocketHarry865 3 жыл бұрын
Fixing Portugal 1. Have Navarre being either rebel or Spainish 2. Split the starting province of Lisbon into two provinces, Portugal now only controlling the Northern part with the new capital being Porto. Have Lisbon being either controlled by the Moors or very powerful rebels 3. Have Portugal start out as a vassal to Castile-Leon (Spain) 4. Increase the amount of settlements in the Iberian peninsular 5. Increase the amount of settlements in Morroco 6. Extend the map size to include the Sahel region and add new factions such as Mali
@mr.charcoal5426
@mr.charcoal5426 3 жыл бұрын
Make them better. Bring the Portuguese Terco from shogun 2.
@Hopper_hopperdizel1806
@Hopper_hopperdizel1806 3 жыл бұрын
Fixing the Holy Roman Empire! Love your work!
@Martim.dl05
@Martim.dl05 3 жыл бұрын
Portugal being a moor vassal doesn't make sense since Portugal was a vassal of the kingdom of Leon, and giving Portugal access to Americas before the others doesn't make sense too since Spain was the first to reach americas
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Affonso Henriques rebelled against his mother, who was Theresa I Countess of Portugal. So it might be a Vassal of Castille, not the muslims
@urosmarjanovic663
@urosmarjanovic663 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but while Spain was meddling in Americas, Portuguese broke East and landed at Goa and made a killing with spice trade. Anyway... entire historical side of the Late game is messed up because in the game there is no unified Spain + HRE as it actually was.
@ruicabrita2851
@ruicabrita2851 Ай бұрын
Other thing to notice that may interest you is that Spain only got to Americas cause of Portuguese Galleons that they bought.
@ryancarpenter7625
@ryancarpenter7625 3 жыл бұрын
I think that would be really cool and very interesting to start as a vassal and have to fight for your freedom that would be very unique campaign
@lars9925
@lars9925 3 жыл бұрын
The vassal idea is good, but Portugal should definitely not be a Moorish vassal, but a Spanish/Castilian one. And they should only get the north of their later country.
@FaithfulOfBrigantia
@FaithfulOfBrigantia 3 жыл бұрын
Portugal was a vassal of Léon, not Castile.
@lars9925
@lars9925 3 жыл бұрын
@@FaithfulOfBrigantia OK, but there is atm just "Spain"...
@pyrrhusthegreat2103
@pyrrhusthegreat2103 3 жыл бұрын
Getting to the Americas earlier sounds like a good idea
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting ideas. I think making Portugal a vassal of Spain would make more sense.
@Danymok
@Danymok 3 жыл бұрын
I reeaaally want Med II remastered
@MBP1918
@MBP1918 3 жыл бұрын
If Portugal, Navarre, Leon-Castile, Aragon, and Catalonia get their own factions in m2tw remastered that would be cool
@ryancarpenter7625
@ryancarpenter7625 3 жыл бұрын
I actually just played my first campaign with Portugal the other day did surprisingly well
@JudoMoniz
@JudoMoniz 3 жыл бұрын
Lisbon is a great city to have
@michaelstein7510
@michaelstein7510 3 жыл бұрын
Early game can be tough for Portugal, but I think they have a strong late-game army. Fun faction to play with.
@dinisnascimento4929
@dinisnascimento4929 3 жыл бұрын
Why fix the greatest faction of all time!
@igorokinamujika2073
@igorokinamujika2073 3 жыл бұрын
My fixes: 1: Remove portuguese Navarre 2: Remove portuguese Navarre 3: Remove portuguese Navarre And so on Sorry, but as a basque this pisses me off so much that I literally cannot play the vanilla game without fixing it via mods. I could understand a rebel Navarre, an aragonese Navarre (as it was historically in 1080) even a "spanish" Navarre (at that point the Kingdom of Pamplona had been recently splitted between Castille and Aragon, so some parts of it were controlled by Castille although the King of Aragon retained the title of "King of Pamplona"). But the whole portuguese thing makes no fracking sense. Even having french or english there would be more accurate than portuguese.
@kamilszadkowski8864
@kamilszadkowski8864 3 жыл бұрын
It always bothered me as well. Med2 is such a mess when it comes to geography, borders, and even ethnicity. BTW, can you recommend any mods you're using? Are there any that focus on the Iberian peninsula that are worth checking out?
@JLrapel492
@JLrapel492 3 жыл бұрын
Soy mexicano y aún así me da asco xd que portugal tenga pamplona jajajajaja :v .
@igorokinamujika2073
@igorokinamujika2073 3 жыл бұрын
@@kamilszadkowski8864 I used a mod made by a user named miguel80 that added the Kindom of Navarre. It included some events that showed its transition form the "Kingdom of Pamplone" with the "Arrano Beltza" (black eagle) as banner to the Kindom of Navarre with its chains. It also has a mod centered exclusively on the Iberian peninsula called "La españa medieval", but I don't know if an english version of the mod exists.
@igorokinamujika2073
@igorokinamujika2073 3 жыл бұрын
@@JLrapel492 Sí, al menos podría haberlo dejado como rebelde. Pero lo de Portugal no tiene ni pies ni cabeza. Y tampóco veo que jugablemente a la facción de portugal le venga bien tener un territorio suelto tan lejos de su núcleo.
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 3 жыл бұрын
The County of Portugal was a Vassal of Asturias, Galicia and Leon, not the moors Affonso I rebelled against his own Mother: Theresa I Countess of Portugal and in 1139 achieved the independance of the Kingdom of Portugal up until the Fall of the Monarchy until 1910 The game could make Portugal a County with maybe elements and trigger events to making it a Kingdom
@rafaelmartins5723
@rafaelmartins5723 3 жыл бұрын
And then to empire.
@espaniolfanog1970
@espaniolfanog1970 3 жыл бұрын
hey Melkor there was a mod for the og rome total war that was about the greek city states you said it was gonna get transformed to the remaster. So hows that going idk if you know anything but yhea its my best shot :))
@abc68130
@abc68130 3 жыл бұрын
Please do more History of the World according to Total War!
@BareRoseGarage
@BareRoseGarage 3 жыл бұрын
Since the game starts in Medieval Times, I'd say eliminate them and replace them with Aragon giving them the rebel counties of Zaragoza & Valencia. Leave Lisbon & Pamplona rebel settlements (more like M1TW was). Also replace the "name" of Spain to the "Kingdom of Leon". Like with the Normans of Sicily, they could do a more extensive unit mesh with Moorish/Spanish units to give it more flavor than a copy/paste of "Spain". From there, either of the 3 factions (Moors, Leon, or Aragon) could in essence become the "Empire of Spain" as the game progresses. I know that's not exactly "historical", but it would be a more historical feel at least. As for "The New World" aspect of the game, that's a tough one. The New World is completely useless in the "Grand Campaign" game. Was SUPER cool when I 1st played it and seen the pop-up video's. But that was about it. I'd have to say, just get rid of that all together and use that extra space to add territories in overly large territories of the existing map. Move that point (the end of game) to the beginning of Empire Total War's "re-write". But that's a whole nuther topic. If anything the only way to fix the "new world" aspect of the game would be to make a completely different game focusing on the native peoples of the Americas. The Europeans (starting with the Norsemen) would be the Mongol hordes of M2TW, as you played on a totally different map & timeline.
@TheVoodooMaker
@TheVoodooMaker 3 жыл бұрын
Your accent is sick dude, where are you from ?
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 3 жыл бұрын
Yorkshire, Northern England :)
@JLrapel492
@JLrapel492 3 жыл бұрын
@@MelkorGG never was clearly for me if you are really an uk boy or not :v
@JLrapel492
@JLrapel492 3 жыл бұрын
All of us think the same, at least I think that.
@mattthelad4686
@mattthelad4686 3 жыл бұрын
cool.
@AuzarionSolaris
@AuzarionSolaris 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps have Portugal be an emergent faction upon its historical start date I think that might fix a little bit of its historical accuracy
@johnmeyer2072
@johnmeyer2072 3 жыл бұрын
That's brilliant, and it's consistent with other factions in the TW series.
@dinisnascimento4929
@dinisnascimento4929 3 жыл бұрын
Portugal caralho!
@osmemesdosal8671
@osmemesdosal8671 2 жыл бұрын
I am Portuguese
@In.Gy.
@In.Gy. 3 жыл бұрын
Discount Brazil That is a terrible first proposal btw.
@paulom8804
@paulom8804 2 жыл бұрын
Portugal a vassal of Castille and Leon, when was that? And if Portugal was to be eliminated here, what about Spain who was just created in 1500? Bunch of bulshit this video to be honest and i do enjoy this channel. The problem to this game is that instead of doing an expansion on America, they should do it instead to the Reconquista, which was the main topic in the Peninsula in the middle ages. If the game is about this period it makes no sense to do an expansion in America. That left that the Iberian Peninsual was only covered on the main game, and with settlement and faction limitations it was treated very poorly. No Aragom, Navarre, Leon, Galicia, Castille, the different taifas (or Al Andalus depending on the time the game would start). So if we only get Portugal and Spain (at leat should be called Castille and Leon), Portugal should start as a vassal to them and get latter an event that would trigger and liberation war. Then, the focus should be on completing the reconquista. As for settlements, there should be Guimarães in nothern Portugal (the first portuguese province) and then Lisbon (controlled by muslims) and Silves in the Algarve (controlled too by muslims). No need for and earlier expansion to Americas, just try to improve Iberia in the vanilla campaign.
@GarkKahn
@GarkKahn 3 жыл бұрын
I love to play as spain and ally with portugal But i hate that they occupy navarre and all their territory has already been conquered by the christians Also that spain is only ONE kingdom but i'll pass on it (but still makes me mad) The reconquista was as important as the crusades in the holy land, and the northern crusade was the bloodiest of them but oh who cares? We only care about jerusalem
@jaymeromero9704
@jaymeromero9704 2 жыл бұрын
Have you all forgot that portugal discover and conquer half of the world . Plz learn about our history before you all say nonsense Just see 1 historical event on KZfaq battle of diu... And then you can speak about us 🇵🇹
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 2 жыл бұрын
No, I did not forget about the Portuguese discoveries - which is why I addressed it in this video and gave them additional mechanics surrounding it.
@skollthehunter2709
@skollthehunter2709 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the plan of fixing portugal by removing it from the game... Great plan!
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