Pilotage Skill Test - NO modern Navigation tools - Stearman - cross country Flying to AirShow
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7 жыл бұрынOld school navigating in a vintage WWII aircraft!
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I am a "weekend warrior" private pilot, I fly for fun with no intentions of going commercial. I have had my PPL for over 15 years, but still consider each flight a learning experience - I generally take detailed notes after each flight to remind myself what went well or what I could do to improve.... Having the GoPro cameras to record flights like this is invaluable. I find these self analysis videos very helpful in my constant quest to improve, and am happy to share. Feedback is invited; however, please keep it positive.
@kwdriver58 6 жыл бұрын
back in the late 90s, flying Army helicopters had a guy that was practicing for an assessment so we went out one night (with NVGs) and did this, VFR with fight following from A to B (100 odd miles) with nav legs between. ATC: you look off course, B is blah, blah blah on the 123 radial. Us: yeah, roger, we’re negative navaid equiped. ATC: how are you navigating? Us: map, compass, a watch, and MK1 eyeballs. ATC: uh…. roger. call airfield in sight. Us: WILCO
@FPVREVIEWS 6 жыл бұрын
you're doing it all wrong, just need to fly low enough to read the road signs. nice job, cheers!
@Brian_Christensen07RC 4 жыл бұрын
Lol.
@craigpennington1251 4 жыл бұрын
I've done that before. IFR= I Fly Roads.
@novwhisky 7 жыл бұрын
"Dennis may or may not go upside-down" Gonna have to start using that with my passengers :D
@larrygreen8912 6 жыл бұрын
My uncle has a Stearman and I fly it a lot. It is truly an amazing aircraft, sitting in it it’s hard not to think of the history that surrounds you in the cockpit. From the women that built and delivered it to the young men learning to fly going to fight in the toughest battles the world has seen. After cranking that big radial engine sometimes I sit there while it’s warming and feel very privileged to sit in the seat that many young men first experienced flight.
@jjohnston94 7 жыл бұрын
I haven't flown in years, and the last time I flew was before the portable device era (c. 1998), so dead reckoning and pilotage are all I know. Following roads and smelling cow poop was one of the most joyous parts for me. Someday I will get back into the air. Oh, and I have flown a Stearman. With a chart for a while, then a moment's inattention, then without a chart.
@brianmorrison9066 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah I flew across the dustbowl sniffin' nothing but cow booty!
@farayidarlingtonchaparadza20 6 жыл бұрын
I watch a lot of your uploads but I have to say I am addicted to this particular one. Nice to see a pilot who appreciates Pilotage and dead reckoning skills. I got my PPL last month and your videos were a most valuable resource.
@therish7169 7 жыл бұрын
Dennis is a legend, concise and totally chilled at all times.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes he is :)
@davidpursley9989 7 жыл бұрын
I was an Army aviator from 1978-1983. We flew on military reservations such as what is now called The National Training Center at Ft. Irwin CA, Ft. Carson CO and Ft. Hunter Liggett CA. All you had was a topographic (terrain) map, a flashlight (at night) and no co pilot. The Army was transitioning to the "We Fight At Night" doctrine and we trained with night vision goggles that were designed for ground vehicle drivers. What I would have given for a GPS.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+David Pursley - I can't imagine how you guys did that!
@DarkAngelGuyver 7 жыл бұрын
Serious question for either of you. I'm currently training for my PPL and going towards my Multi-IFR. I'm starting circuits soon but my pilotage is still shit. Is there something I can do to practice it in between flights so next time I'm up I'm less likely to give my instructor a stroke?
@flyrx 7 жыл бұрын
Aside from practice, the biggest thing that helped me is to do a thorough chart recon ahead of time. Knowing what kind of things you are going to be looking for really allows you to keep your head outside more. This may sound weird, but you can also learn to calibrate your finger speed across the chart as you fly, that way a quick reference to the chart and then you're back outside looking!
@WebberAerialImaging 6 жыл бұрын
David Pursley yeah, I remember doing navs with just a topo. Seemed perfectly natural, at the time. NOE at night was always exciting, in the 80's
@Agislife1960 7 жыл бұрын
Thats the essence of flying, no distractions, just you and the machine. It maybe primitive by modern standards, but this type of flying will make a real stick and rudder guy out of someone.
@TheIvalen 7 жыл бұрын
3:27 Those are some interesting colors on the ground!
@stevierayc772 7 жыл бұрын
Two things. First, I love your stick technique at 6:09. You're not death-gripping it like you're in a dogfight. Second, we rely too much on electronics. Fighter pilots refer to it as Situational Awareness. If you're so wrapped up in your instruments that you fail to see the mountain you're about to fly into, then you lose. Doesn't matter if you're in a dogfight or driving through an intersection. Hang the phone up and drive.
@brianmorrison9066 4 жыл бұрын
Says the man who has never flown a stearman. Yawn.
@zel6208 2 жыл бұрын
Its really a blessing to live in Finland in terms of navigation without GPS. There are over 100 000 lakes in here and 95%of the time you can just navigate using them no matter where you go.
@xXBl4ckB3ltXx 7 жыл бұрын
That's a really good tip. "If wind isn't a factor, always land with the sun behind you in a low sun environment" I've never thought of that.
@Nangleator22 3 жыл бұрын
A significant percentage of people have the curse of their brain freezing up when faced with bright strobing of a certain frequency, and that frequency matches pretty closely a prop's rotation on approach. You don't risk that when you can avoid it.
@JimForeman 6 жыл бұрын
That was the standard mode of navigation when I learned to fly and I still use it with electronics as a backup. A trick on holding heading is the angle at which you cross the normal lines on the ground (most of the world (except west Texas) is laid out based on the standard directions, east/west and north/south)
@TheOriginalCoda 5 жыл бұрын
Most of the US. In the UK (and Europe) this wouldn't work unless you're flying over a city which was laid down recently, like Milton Keynes.
@Ichibuns 7 жыл бұрын
VOR must have been the most amazing thing It still boggles my mind that someone thought of VOR as long ago as it was
@daveday5507 6 жыл бұрын
Having built and flown a large scale R/C model of a Stearman, I never could do a three point landing. Later I managed to obtain a copy of the pilot's notes and it said, "Do not three point this airplane". Now I see you doing nice wheelies...
@P61guy61 6 жыл бұрын
I find it unbelievable that flying without an iPad has become such an oddity in some of today’s aviation culture . This is a great video and I’m glad to see that there is an effort by the new generation to learn how to fly an airplane and not just follow a smart device.
@dodhdhdfdffgdhfonhdh 5 жыл бұрын
your living the dream man, plan on building my own ultralight with carbon fiber here soon. but its still nothing compared to being able to fly everything you fly, living the dream!
@AnsonChappell 7 жыл бұрын
"...get back to more relatable flying experiences." Careful, I think I lot of us really enjoy the unique situations you're afforded by producing these exceptional videos. Keep 'em coming!
@LtKernelPanic 7 жыл бұрын
Nice! I went to one of the CAF's "Air Power History Tour" stops earlier this summer and while their B-29 "Fifi" was the star of the show quite a few people lined up to take a ride in the Stearman. It's definitely a unique aircraft.
@meduffer 7 жыл бұрын
Real (old school) flying! Well done.
@helossimulationsecke3369 7 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see a new stearman video! thx a lot!
@ArcticMayhem 7 жыл бұрын
LOL! A dead reckonings episode sponsored by Foreflight. Keep making amazing content Steve!
@duanethompson2360 5 жыл бұрын
I learned in the late 60s in an Aronca, Taylor Craft and Tri Pacer. Not a problem. My instructor was Charlie McAllister whose license was signed by Orville Wright!
@stephenrumer6953 5 жыл бұрын
I declare this my favorite video on KZfaq!! VFR flying at it's purest👍
@GoneOutFlying 7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful video, once more. Great work, Steve. Had to laugh when Dennis turned off the mags to hear the radio. Those are the weird things I love about some aircraft. Thanks!
@darksidefloyd1 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Loved watching you tackle the challenge of paper and your thoughts as you did it. Also thoroughly enjoyed the camera angles on the first landing showing off the perfect landing and the stick and jab rudder control. Dennis has to be proud.
@ja1cspikes 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent job as always steve! I've been working on aircraft for 7 years but your channel is what rekindled my love for flight. Thank you for what you do!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
It is Super rewarding to hear that Jason!
@pinkdispatcher 7 жыл бұрын
Not even a magnetic compass. Phew, that's tough. I think even around here in North-west Germany there are more useful landmarks. Autobahnen, railway lines, rivers, lakes, potash slag heaps, towns with recognisable historic centres or high-rise buildings, ... So, very well done and thanks for another enjoyable video!
@jayzenitram9621 7 жыл бұрын
I could've sworn a compass was required equipment on a plane. Can someone enlighten me on exemptions for historic birds (or maybe it's just different in Canada).
@jayzenitram9621 7 жыл бұрын
I had to go look it up (I know, anal). FAR Part § 91.205 covers minimum equipment. Magnetic direction indicator is in there.
@pinkdispatcher 7 жыл бұрын
Well, (a) this is a Canadian aircraft, and (b) the airplane has one. It's just not visible from the front seat. I'm sure if a pilot qualified to fly the airplane is in a seat from which he can control the airplane and from which he can see the magnetic compass, that will be fine.
@jayzenitram9621 7 жыл бұрын
pinkdispatcher I must have missed the part where it did have one but the pilot couldn't see it. I must have assumed that it didn't have a working compass.
@pinkdispatcher 7 жыл бұрын
It's at 1:30: Dennis: "I have a compass in the back, but of course ...", Steve: "No compass in the front?" - "ern." (shakes head).
@ynoT_63 6 жыл бұрын
I hope someday to get to ride and even fly a Stearman. Love the video. I could watch these all day.
@ClaudioNicolotti 7 жыл бұрын
You did great, as always. That's how we do club-flying in Italy. Just a paper and a clock. Unfortunately, many flying clubs here do not have modern airplanes with modern avionics. Actually, I think it's more fun!
@Sifebaproducts 5 жыл бұрын
Add a Nav-Aid Rule to you bag. www.sifeba.com
@staceymiller4409 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video thank you for sharing these great moments
@erichert1001 6 жыл бұрын
Navigating the old school way...find a farmhouse, land and ask for directions.
@blaineraymond5946 6 жыл бұрын
E Richert volcanoes
@SilverbackGorilla69 4 жыл бұрын
Just don't buy the farm
@jamesengland7461 3 жыл бұрын
"You can't get there from here!"
@craigpennington1251 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff and this is the way it used to be. Nice to have a compass in the aircraft. Stearmans are so cool. Look, sound, and fly really good. Thanks for sharing your flight.
@BWTIII 7 жыл бұрын
It is nice to know you can do it the old fashion way because you have done it the old fashion way....
@bumpf1 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for more Friday morning fun!!
@hiasi2323 7 жыл бұрын
great video. that part with the radio noise and the magnetos was so interesting ! greetings from austria. keep up the great work, fly safe!
@PL4GU3d 7 жыл бұрын
I had an awesome day flying and it was nice to conclude it with this great video! Good job :)
@dtbmjax 7 жыл бұрын
Another nice video, Steve. Good job.
@martyb6903 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Im looking fwd to finishing and flying something similar Thank u again!
@DickGibson 7 жыл бұрын
Love it, I wanna see more of this.
@IrishManJT 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Thanks.
@aerialadventureskewasiuk9478 7 жыл бұрын
Again, another awesome video!!!!
@jamesspeirs7461 7 жыл бұрын
Great production Steve-o!
@scottgilliland2061 7 жыл бұрын
Great job flying pilotage! And of course, great video :-)
@johnmajane3731 2 жыл бұрын
I used to ferry PA-25's from Maryland to the Florida Border and back. All I had was a chart and a compass. Great fun.
@terryrutherford2114 5 жыл бұрын
Nice landing chops! Old school charts, good deal!
@electricflyer81 7 жыл бұрын
Nice Landings! Cool.
@Antti79 6 жыл бұрын
Old school = best school. Great video!
@Bottleworksnet 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@SmokeStack684 7 жыл бұрын
That was really great!
@charlespinnell3999 6 жыл бұрын
As a rusty pilot getting back into flying your videos have helped me tremendously. I watch them over and over. Thanks so much. #BoseA20
@GamePlayWithNolan 7 жыл бұрын
That looks so fun!
@ericasw28 7 жыл бұрын
only discovering this vid now, what an awesome day you had there :)
@pilotandy_com 7 жыл бұрын
I think I need more practice flying in the low lands. In Utah and Idaho, you can't get too lost between the valleys. You did a great job!
@iyanmanzano 7 жыл бұрын
this channel is just awesome, searched Extra 300C videos, watched your advanced aerobatic vid, i think part 2 of that series. then the barfing pax. now subbed! keep it up man! 💯✔✈
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! welcome! enjoy the back catalog! nearly 100 episodes now
@ttraderjim 5 жыл бұрын
Love the sound of a Stearman!
@calummacfarlane8476 7 жыл бұрын
When Dennis said you can't shock cool a radial engine. is that because it's always in the cool slipstream? I'd like to hear more on this.
@billb876 7 жыл бұрын
Great flight!
@johntuggle8825 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot, would love to be, can't justify the expense. Thank you for all the videos, I LOVE watching them and look forward to each and every one. The scenery is breathtaking .
@wadenulton9243 7 жыл бұрын
John- Do yourself a favor. Find a local airport who offers introductory flights.... Go take a half hour intro. Do yourself that favor. We only have a few precious years on this planet.
@brandon5058 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. Do that. :)
@andrewbailey7999 6 жыл бұрын
Try gliding! It can be an order of magnitude cheaper!
@45631063 7 жыл бұрын
great camera and video quality. Congratulations! beautiful landscapes under the fuselage; beautiful shots; thank you very much for this event. super appareil et la qualité des vidéos . félicitations! très beaux paysages sous le fuselage; belles prises de vues; merci beaucoup pour cette sortie.
@pilot9030 7 жыл бұрын
Flight Chops videos never let me down.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
:)
@paulhootisn848 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I am a Luddlite at heart and enjoy flying old school (but having the modern tools available). I think it would be entertaining and educational, to see you and Dan, or Josh F. do some old school (simulated) IFR flights, VOR and an ADF type stuff. Keeping the chops sharp here, keep up the great work!!
@birds_eye_view 4 жыл бұрын
I love flying just by paper map. Makes navigating so much more fun! :)
@iflyc77 7 жыл бұрын
Some nice landings there!
@burkelong4376 6 жыл бұрын
Great video in a beautiful plane.
@Funhog29 7 жыл бұрын
Nice! Love it flying to an airshow. I jump at some airshows and love that community.
@ivanshilin536 7 жыл бұрын
Wanna live this way! Thank you guys!!!
@motorcopjoe 7 жыл бұрын
I need to do a proficiency flight with just paper. It's pretty easy to get spoiled with my iPad and fore flight. Cool vid as always Steve!!!
@2bikemikesguitartopics145 7 жыл бұрын
Steve nice video. nailed that Brantford landing. although I had a compass & HI while flight training, there were no gps or iPad back then. we only had the map and planning as Denis was explaining. best way to learn, and mine was in winter so the ground looked very little like the map that looks like summer. cheers 2bikemike your st thomas airshow POC.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it and thanks for being an awesome POC!
@davidkreutzkamp6602 7 жыл бұрын
Haha love the last bit with Brock! Also interesting that I was just thinking about the recent videos vs the earlier ones and the piloting skills content. Look forward to all the future videos from you and the crew Steve!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! But it is partially your fault that things have been swinging more in the "epic" direction lately :)
@refused215 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool!
@shuftie443 6 жыл бұрын
Extremely smooth touch down bud!
@Payne2view 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, must have been a thrill to fly into and out of an Airshow in a Stearman.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
I can confirm that :)
@user-mt4zr5kp7h 2 жыл бұрын
Couple of caps in his ignition system would fix that noise. Old Fords used to have one on their ignition coil for the exact same reason.
@zerobyte802 7 жыл бұрын
Been a while since I caught the video before 1000 views. I enjoyed this one and it's great to hear you're going to do some more "back to basics" content!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it buddy! I was thinking of you watching it during your morning routine... when I was debating staying up past midnight to get the dang thing published before bed. Glad you got to enjoy it so soon!
@FlyZRG 7 жыл бұрын
aaahhh beauty! I am truly jealous!
@dumberfeet 7 жыл бұрын
what a delicious experience thx for the vid!!!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
haha - right on!
@donaldparlettjr3295 6 жыл бұрын
The only way I fly, pilotage and dead reckoning. I do refer to a compass, but really stick your head out and enjoy the view. Map and an E6B flight computer. I used Navy pilot manuals from WWII to learn the old way to navigate.
@CGoody564 6 жыл бұрын
The problem with computers is that they allow people who don't understand the actual process to use them. It's a double edged sword. On the one hand, it makes things more accessible, which in itself isn't a bad thing; the real issues is that since you rely on the computer itself rather than understanding the process it uses (so to speak) to navigate, so if for whatever reason it stops functioning correctly or you lose access to it, you don't have a backup plan as you don't know how to navigate on your own; you're up the river, you lost your paddle and you didn't think to be prepared with another, so to speak. Even if you don't fully understand how to navigate with precision, understanding the basics of navigation and a keen sense of awareness will get you farther than you can imagine certain situations; that being said, one or the other usually doesn't. Keep in mind, by computer, I am referring to the "glass" as they put it; not an eb6. If you're using an eb6, you are at the very least likely to have a basic understanding of navigation with minimal automation. If not, it wouldn't help you so you probably wouldn't have one anyway. I do feel slightly differently about basic instrumentation; however even with those I would suggest learning the old way of doing things.
@Sifebaproducts 5 жыл бұрын
Add a Nav-Aid Rule for comfort!!
@goatflieg 7 жыл бұрын
This, once again... was wonderful. Kudos to you and to Brock for some excellent footage. This hits home for me, especially since transitioning from CA to MI. I was spoiled in CA... excellent visibility and mountain ranges make it easy to keep your situational awareness. But in MI just like ON, everything on the ground looks the same, and you have no horizon cues. I'm still struggling on decisions about my RV-8 panel; electronic wizardry or simple. I want to have BOTH skill sets, so I'm prepared. I'm grateful for the throwback-reality-check this video provides. I bet you were glad for the good visibility, instead of the usual Midwest haze. BEAUTIFUL landings at Branford. And thrilled that Brock closed out the video. I suspect you'll make an aviator of him yet!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Right on thanks Buddy! I can't wait to see your RV-8! That is totally in my top 5 aircraft I'd want to own!
@Canleaf08 7 жыл бұрын
Great content as usual. You have great images and editing skills...
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+canuckleaf - friendly feedback appreciated :)
@marsgal42 7 жыл бұрын
Cool, as always. :-) Here in B.C. VFR cross-country flights are more pilotage than navigation. Yes, you have a heading in mind, but in practice you're following a valley, or a road, or a shoreline, watching for landmarks to confirm your position.
@trinitylynn2605 6 жыл бұрын
i actually saw my neighborhood when they were on final for Bratford
@wbflashover 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I try to watch as many of your videos as possible. I fail to comment or even give thumbs up sometimes. I'll do better but just know that I do enjoy your flights.
@PieterGNel 6 жыл бұрын
Iv'e been binge watching this channel now for the past week. And I have to say, this is my favorite aviation channel! Love this journey with the tail draggers. I hope you get to fly a spitfire :) It's my favorite aircraft! Btw have you ever gotten the chance to fly a tiger moth? Also love those planes. Fly safe! Much love all the way from South Africa :)
@FlightChops 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome to the channel! I definitely have plans to fly a tigermoth soon, and the long term goal is to achieve the Spitfire check out!
@bobyoung241 5 жыл бұрын
did not the early airmail have big cement markers around to follow? Found it on You tube " Giant concrete arrows once guided airmail pilots ". and, "Airmail : The quest for speed".
@volcanowb 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mikercflyer7383 7 жыл бұрын
I had a chance to get a ride in a Stearman at Greenwood lake airport N.Y it was a blast.
@mm-gz1np 6 жыл бұрын
Flying old school you learn a lot about terrain #BoseA20#
@mx1man 7 жыл бұрын
Technology has made us pilots weak at flying with paper charts. You have inspired me to get the paper out and go for a cross country. Thanks great video
@Sifebaproducts 5 жыл бұрын
Take a Nav-Aid-Rule with you. www.sifeba.com
@aviatortrevor 6 жыл бұрын
It's tough flying without even a magnetic compass. I don't know what Canadian regulations are, but in the US, a magnetic compass is required for VFR flight. I guess the stearman would pass that requirement, except it's only visible in the rear seat.
@tunnelrat6809 7 жыл бұрын
Another great one. Beautifully shot and edited as always! Nice to hear about some of the old school methods. I'm a bit nostalgic for dead recokoning and steam gauges to be honest. :)
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@AustinWirl 7 жыл бұрын
last time i was this early Harambe was alive
@farayidarlingtonchaparadza20 6 жыл бұрын
I like your silver wrist watch with the rotaing bezel. Am looking for one like that, any suggestions?
@golls17 7 жыл бұрын
There's an article if the November 2016 Air and Space magazine about an African American's journey to becoming a 767 Captain. He recently flew a Stearman for the first time, which is what his father learned on in the Army. Thought you might find it interesting.
@thekevin3680 7 жыл бұрын
respect
@GSOaviator 7 жыл бұрын
And I was just about to go to bed... :3
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Haha - you were first, but didn't feel the need to say "first!" - good one on ya! :) I am also goin' to bed it is after midnight here - Been a long day editing, but I'm happy with how this one came together.
@GSOaviator 7 жыл бұрын
***** Yeah, so far (about 6 minutes in), it turned out really well as they all do. Have a good night, see ya!
@soar8hours 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget your parachute! Charles Lindberg had to use one and history was made later because he survived an emergency. Chutes are better than life insurance policies.
@davidpurcell86 3 жыл бұрын
love the submariner man! just noticed it. didn't think i could possibly like this channel any more....but i do!
@FlightChops 3 жыл бұрын
Haha - awesome... But, will you still respect me if I admit that it is a fake Rolex? 😬
@davidpurcell86 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlightChops hey man absolutely! you still have good taste (and definitely a better call to spend $10k on flying instead of a watch)! My grandad was a B24 pilot and flew DC-3s after the war for Eastern. Have my discovery flight tomorrow thanks to his inspiration and your channel! If you ever come back to Aurora, Oregon let me know I'll buy you a beer!
@airplaneian 7 жыл бұрын
great vid, can you plug a headset into a handheld transceiver for more reliable comms in a similar situation?
@davidkreutzkamp6602 7 жыл бұрын
That is a good point Ian. We carry a backup handheld in the unlikely eventuality of an emergency in the T-33 even. It wouldn't work in the sense that you lose verbal communication with your other crew member but at least you could get clearances if need be.
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