Flow States, Thinking in Pictures, and Abstract Figures

Flow States, Thinking in Pictures, and Abstract Figures - Draftsmen S3E12

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We return to answering voicemails left by listeners! In this episode Marshall and Stan dive into a range of topics from entering the “Flow State” to thinking in words vs images, the tools for perseverance, when it’s appropriate to remove a piece from your portfolio and more! If you have an art question that you’d like us to answer, call 1-858-609-9453 and leave a voicemail!
Time Codes:
00:00 - Intro
02:37 - Topic: Voicemails
03:29 - Voicemail 1 - Get Back into the Zone
09:16 - Voicemail 2 - Flow State
11:33 - Voicemail 3 - Lack of Reference
15:43 - Voicemail 4 - thinking in words or images
23:46 - Voicemail 5 - should I stop working on projects to study?
27:17 - Voicemail 6 - tools for perseverance
34:37 - Voicemail 7 - Cosplaying while Networking
38:42 - Voicemail 8 - merits of replicating photos
46:53 - Voicemail 9 - advanced material
52:51 - Voicemail 10 - when to remove a piece from your portfolio
57:43 - Voicemail 11 - Abstract Figurative Art
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Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/DraftsmenPod
CREDITS:
Hosts - Stan Prokopenko (www.stanprokopenko.com), Marshall Vandruff (www.marshallart.com/)
Production Assistance - Alex Otis ( / alexotisillustration , Charlie Nicholson ( / shloogorgh )
Editing - Charlie Nicholson
Intro Animation - Cody Shank (codyshank.com/)
Intro Jingle - Tommy Rush ( / tommyrush )
Music Used with Permission Intro - The Freak Fandango Orchestra

Пікірлер: 74

@Draftsmen 3 жыл бұрын

If you have an art question that you’d like us to answer, call 1-858-609-9453 and leave a voicemail!

@natemiller2712 3 жыл бұрын

Marshal and Stan: "It depends" Me: "Ah yes, sage wisdom"

@damianocheri3899 3 жыл бұрын

Marshall is soooo good at freestyling intros man!

@lucianabenitez16 3 жыл бұрын

this intro was my favourite ever

@blessedandbiwithahintofmagic Жыл бұрын

Marshall is a blessing to this world.

@mrpoool1015 Жыл бұрын

The singing is fire, please never stop Marshall

@joefilmco 3 жыл бұрын

Take a shot every time Stan mentions Kim Jung Gi

@gordacapivara 3 жыл бұрын

Cirrhosis ensues

@yeah2155 Жыл бұрын

For good reason though

@Beaver_Rapsmith 2 ай бұрын

This is the absolute best intro to any podcast I have ever listened to

@wellington66440 3 жыл бұрын

that intro by Marshall.. just WOW!!

@alfiemarshall9224 3 жыл бұрын

can you do an art history podcaaast or a podcast on some less well known artists that you like :DD

@gordoparkerrr 3 жыл бұрын

Check out "Unsong heroes of illustration" series on youtube, it's great.

@alfiemarshall9224 3 жыл бұрын

@@gordoparkerrr o yea i love that series :)

@seanramsey 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who didn't get their question answered on air: *Fists raised, screaming* CHARLIEEEEEEEEE!

@TheMarkymark1028 3 жыл бұрын

Stan's singing was great today!

@IGarrettI 3 жыл бұрын

16:34 somebody make Marshal into Santa. Look at his eyes!! So much kindness and joy

@JesseMartin 3 жыл бұрын

You guys have inspired me so much with my own work! I never want this show to end lol

@anarionpiano 3 жыл бұрын

I finally caught up! Spent the last month going through the podcast... bought the Proko figure drawing course along the way and learned more about the art industry than I ever wanted, haha

@ovinenathania6769 3 жыл бұрын

Stan’s teapot is adorable!

@pavcho2211 3 жыл бұрын

you have good music taste

@Sketchartbymarc1 3 жыл бұрын

Yet another timely episode! It’s always interesting to hear perspectives and insights not only from the phenomenally practical “and” incisive offerings you two present, but also the often relatable take that so many have of their own artistic efforts. Great stuff (and great humor) gentlemen! Many thx! ✨☕️

@rasoolabd-alsamad2552 3 жыл бұрын

having an internal medicine OSCE this Sunday and i'm stressed out... listening to this podcast and sketching is a relieving factor! thanks a lot

@robotplant5260 3 жыл бұрын

Love this podcast so much !!

@ishheredia9626 3 жыл бұрын

Marhsall's freestylin is fire! Just call him MV DOOM

@letsplaywithlife3063 3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Love that last voicemail and waiting 4 next episode. And now 2 draftsmen episodes on a day. What a beautiful day. Zzz I thought this is new episode.

@davidvega7773 3 жыл бұрын

im really enjoying the voicemail format

@17Tomtac 2 жыл бұрын

Marshall be spiting some bars

@brooklynbabydoll718 3 жыл бұрын

Marshalls song intro was epic!

@lorraineclark3517 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting questions and ponderings from the gallery and some reflective discussion from you guys.

@sandwich336 3 жыл бұрын

Damn! Marshall's really good at freestyling in that intro!

@mbfrezon 3 жыл бұрын

Best opening song EVER.

@Lydomina 3 жыл бұрын

I think they kind of missed the point on the Joker question. He specifically calls out "painstaking *replications* of photographs" at the end of his question, meaning he's not talking about the people who draw/paint original versions of the character that Stan brought up. Also, as Stan brought out, he's not talking about just any merit either, but specifically *artistic merit*, or in other words, he wants to know if they consider it art if the goal is only to replicate what they are seeing in another medium. If you ask me, there is no artistic merit in replicating something under my definition of what art is. That said, there also doesn't need to be any. Some people are still learning. Does that mean they don't deserve to share what they did? Some people are just hobbyists who just want to draw or paint purely out of enjoyment(either through self-satisfaction, or thru the praise received from doing it). I mean, he literally called it "painstaking", so I'm sure he understands that there is a lot of effort required to produce a replica. So it shouldn't be hard to imagine why achieving any goal would feel rewarding, especially when there is great effort involved in achieving it. As a side note, it is true that no one cares that this stuff annoys you. However, I do think it's good to know what you don't like so that you can get closer to figuring out what you do like. Put out what you want to see in the world instead of waiting for the art community at large to do it for you. /rant

@Lydomina 3 жыл бұрын

@Dusty Lee Sledge Yes. In my opinion, there is more artistic merit in something like hyperrealism where the painter or draftsman is allowed to change things or add things that weren't present in the photo for the purpose of injecting a message. Photorealism on the other hand is about replicating a photo very exactly, just in a different medium. Any message present in the piece was already there in the photo, and is usually not intentional. Photorealists are more like craftsmen than artists to me, but again, not everyone needs to be an artist either. There are people all over the world who attempt to cover songs very exactly with the tools available to them. These people cannot rightly be called composers or musical artists, but that shouldn't stop them from having fun with instruments.

@kullenberg 3 жыл бұрын

I think he was referring to the "reddit style" photo copies done with a pencil and a blending stump and gridding for the drawing part. Takes more patience than skill

@mikeg4691 3 жыл бұрын

I think that's a gatekeeping attitude.

@Lydomina 3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeg4691 There are no gates to be kept, no one has a universal patent on art. The closest you can get is refusing art of particular types from being submitted to a gallery you own, but personally I don't see anything wrong with curation. Everyone should put out in the world or call attention to exactly what they want to see.

@the_Googie 2 жыл бұрын

@D. L. Or it just bores them to death. I cant shoot a three pointer, and NBA is boring as sin to me. I cant draw hyperrealistically, and its boring as hell. You have the classic "if you complain, you probably just cant do it", just as the "if u criticize, do it better". Both such wrong and stupid statements. Hyperrealistic coal replicas are either traced or done with a projector. Theres no artistic merit to that. Might aswell take a black and white photo. If I was after realism, russian art academy or Watts drawings will do the job much better. It's just as much realism, but they BUILD the drawing, with construction underneath. And it still looks like a drawing.

@sf5823 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂 Loved that intro Marshall 😊

@awildtomappeared5925 3 жыл бұрын

I did not realise you had reading lists until that one caller mentioned that he used your reading lists, I have just been noting down every time you mention a good book xD

@ericmonaghan1231 2 жыл бұрын

haha that's a cool tea set. for voicemail #3, i can imagine he wants to make a graphic novel, or something similar, with a recurring character. Has some references for what he wants the character to look like in general, but isn't confident to draw the character in any situation, from any angle. And is probably looking for an answer that isn't "git gud". I have run into a similar thing where I want to render things realistically but don't have the visual vocab to do it confidently. It's just really hard not to get cartoony or start drawing someone else entirely. I would probably say use your own body as a reference and then try to find other references for the head at different angles that look somewhat similar to the character you are trying to render. Finding some models online, even people on craigslist, who look like the characters in your project, can be useful. Then just basically do a 360 scan, have them make different faces, photograph them from different angles. Can bypass this need for years of experience drawing a million people and just get to work on the shit you want to create. I don't know, could be way off here but i'm vibin.

@isamepython 3 жыл бұрын

Love Marshal

@atilab99draws58 3 жыл бұрын

i feel the same as the guy who talked about billie and joker, i never liked the hand-done-photo-copies because i just don't find anything interesting in them, on the other hand those people love it like i do the gestural, energetic stuff like frazetta who first comes to mind but most of comic books and other works which have that action...i've come to a conclusion some time ago which is: i like when something not real is done realistically to see what that would look like and something real is stylized, so fantasy done real and reality stylized... and i'm positive there will always be a place for anything, it's just going in and out of the mainstream waves

@QuesoGr7 3 жыл бұрын

I think the Joker himself was based on The Man Who Laughs, wasn't he?

@alexsturge1181 2 жыл бұрын

yes he was

@underworldunderdog 3 жыл бұрын

ahh i missed Marshal after a long month of Euro20 watching nothing but footy... back to drawing : )

@SPBHJ 3 жыл бұрын

should do lots on the last topics marsh mentioned

@sanjivinsmoke6703 3 жыл бұрын

It's fantastic. Thank you for providing this material. The C Wilson Meloncelli channel also discusses flow and offers additional advice on how to concentrate on it. Come take a look!

@ArningEchanoPH 3 жыл бұрын

What? Why was it re-uploaded? I just finished it a while ago.

@kipz 3 жыл бұрын

it was uploaded 12 hours ago which is terrible for viewership/the algorithm

@alfiemarshall9224 3 жыл бұрын

It was also unlisted so it didn't appear in people's sub boxes

@taivan9751 3 жыл бұрын

Damn, i just realized that unconciously learned to sing draftsmen beginning sons

@Gump387 3 жыл бұрын

Nice

@bathurstststudios 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have enough angles to be able to make a clay model? If you make a model you can rotate that in space.

@anoukadel6397 2 жыл бұрын

The Norman Rockwell drawings of all the heads, in which book can I find that? Thank you!

@greyareaRK1 3 жыл бұрын

Recent studies have debunked the learning styles hypothesis. There are no visual, kinaesthetic, audio learners, per se. It seems everyone benefits from text and images combined, but tests shows there is no advantage to catering to one style or another beyond that. What does make a difference is mnemonics - methods of memorisation.

@ArchiduquesaMA 3 жыл бұрын

Everytime they answer a question, its like "this is a question for a therapist" lol artists are angst

@imsamcastic 3 жыл бұрын

is this a reupload?

@ap_po 3 жыл бұрын

two episodes in one day? and its not even my birthday :3

@ap_po 3 жыл бұрын

wait...same video, different title and division/descriptions and unlisted...how did i managed to see that version?

@dezukaful 3 жыл бұрын

The other was an older episode that was upped by error

@frederickletterblair 3 жыл бұрын

It's really tragic that both Klimt and Schiele were killed during the Spanish flu.

@orpheus6398 3 жыл бұрын

Please guest moderndayjames

@bathurstststudios 3 жыл бұрын

Aphants can only think in words, and they think on paper when they need to invent. As an aphant I can draw well from observation, poorly from imagination straight off, but 'imagining' on paper works.

@prazerjoao 3 жыл бұрын

"Who cares???" "She cares." Ouch.

@sf5823 3 жыл бұрын

52:30, 58:00

@visualadrenalin Жыл бұрын

What?

@brandonsong774 3 жыл бұрын

This was accidentally uploaded 12 hours ago XD

@mariadolores8468 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks lost my energy wow? that was unexpected. Thanks for gesture tip.

@Changetheling 3 жыл бұрын

"Thinking in words or images". I think she meant the tendency we all show linked to the 8 types of intelligence. There are people that have a more developed linguistic memory while others have a more visual oriented one, in itself a great topic to talk about. ...and I stopped my monkey mind for further comments. No need to be mean anymore.

@visualadrenalin Жыл бұрын

I think that charly???

@Gamingmankw 3 жыл бұрын

Probably worse than having people look at you in the bathroom.

@kevinratay8285 3 жыл бұрын

1. If someones clothes bother you, their art will do the same. I love art because it's the only thing left that's not censored. Omg. 2. Have to understand a persons anatomy before having the ability to distort that anatomy. Intentionally at leastto your liking. Otherwise it's just a mistake.