9 Tuning Tips To Get The Most Out Of Your Bosch Electric Mountain Bike

9 Tuning Tips To Get The Most Out Of Your Bosch Electric Mountain Bike | Bosch Smart System Review

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Last year German brand Bosch unveiled its snazzy new Smart System. Designed for high-performance electric mountain bikes, the Smart System incorporated the new eBike Flow app, which offers users the ability to perform over-the-air firmware updates, while introducing new navigation functions and the option to custom-tune the motor's power output. As for hardware, Bosch also rolled out a new LED controller, the Kiox 300 display, and a huge 750Wh PowerTube battery. While the Performance Line CX motor carried over, it too was updated to be compatible with the current Smart System and future improvements.
Over the past six months we've been spending a load of time aboard the latest Bosch Smart System. You may have seen our Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 review and our Scott Patron review, where we discussed some of the performance attributes of the latest Bosch drive unit. Here we'll be taking a deeper dive into some of the features behind the latest Smart System and what it does well. We'll also be discussing how it compares to the competition, what we think could be improved, and how you can get the most out of your Bosch e-MTB.
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Bosch Smart System Video Contents
0.00 - Intro
0:58 - Setting up the LED Controller
1:41 - The Kiox 300 Display Is Removable
2:26 - eBike Flow App
3:43 - Tuning The Bosch Motor
5:37 - Extended Boost (Or Not)
7:00 - Walk Assist & Hill Hold
8:59 - Battery Health
9:42 - Wireless Speed Sensor
10:38 - Flow's Verdict
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@DBrewster99 11 ай бұрын

Excellent info. Makes you wonder why they don't provide a decent guide when you buy the bike. Something to sit down and read before using it, rather than months later finding all this useful info online. Cheers Flow!

@maxflight777 11 ай бұрын

9:09 I liked the tips about battery health. Store between 30 and. 60%…. excellent ❤️

@living4adrenaline 9 ай бұрын

Never store it, ride it daily : )

@EvilChem1st Жыл бұрын

Once again great guide! One question though. Currently I am considering to go with older non-smart Bosch CX gen4 (Scott e-Genius) which is cheaper vs new smart-system bike (Cube Stereo Hybrid 140), which is more expensive. If I go with the old one, I will replace the stock Purion display with Nyon. Have you ever tried this Nyon? How does old system with Nyon compare with Kiox300 on the smart system in terms of functionality? Thanks!

@sinisakalicanec6823 9 ай бұрын

The only thing that bothers me is that the maximum cycling limit is 25 km, i.e. pedaling. This is ridiculous. It should have been increased to 35 km. 😊

@tureencahill 3 ай бұрын

Truth told I thought the same. Till I got one ( a lefty) Still haven't chipped it. I only miss the higher speed when on busy roads. Will chip to 35 at some stage.

@DeHyntonGaming 3 ай бұрын

U can go 28 mph but not past 28 downhill

@irfanalley 2 ай бұрын

@@DeHyntonGaming Hmm I hit 38.4 mph downhill yesterday but the system was set to off so not sure if that makes a difference

@dougdavis8367 6 күн бұрын

I my bike I set the wheel diameter to half so the I get help up to 30 mph and I just have to double all speeds and distance

@tom-foil 22 сағат бұрын

@@dougdavis8367😂😂😂

@zjedinite 4 ай бұрын

One thing I would like to add, I believe you can modify the speed on the walk assist. I don’t know how to do it and being in mind to do so. It’s currently TOO SLOW!

@williakarl 13 күн бұрын

Very informational video. Thank you. One correction the bars are 20% increments, not 10%.

@whyumettbro687 11 ай бұрын

overrun is not exclusive to the smart system. cx4 (pre smart) has it as well - even extended in emtb compared to turbo

@david029014 3 ай бұрын

Can u do one with yamaha motors, specifically the the Giant Reign E+

@Cirbonukleon Жыл бұрын

Hallo, thanks for the video. I have a Cube SH 140 At. How did You solve the rapid wear of the small sprockets? 10-12 teeth

@str915 Жыл бұрын

Drive less in turbo. You will automatically drive less in those sprockets. But you can buy those two separately.

@Adam-vm8kp Жыл бұрын

Use your gears and spread the wear, keep your drivetrain clean and lubed and don’t let your chain get past .75% wear before you replace it. There is no other solution.

@razorsharp9850 Жыл бұрын

How can you see for yourself if the Extended Boost mode is switched on and thus if you have the 85NM full power tune or the 75Nm power tune?

@Tony_P Жыл бұрын

Put it in Emtb mode and see if the overrun is active when you stop pedalling ?

@Halloween1988 Жыл бұрын

Guys I got a question I buyed recently a bike with Bosch cx motor gen 4. Engine runs amazing I got a question tho, when I ride my bike and stop pedaling or rotate pedals in negative side and start pedal again to accelerate I got small tiny gab in my mechanic pedal. Is this normal ? I got a feeling like the engine starts working again.. thanks

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube Жыл бұрын

That does sound normal - there is a small amount of lag when you start pedalling again, which is due to the internal freewheel inside the crankset/chainring. Combined with the freewheel mechanism in the rear hub, you'll always have a bit of free movement before the pedals engage. Hope that helps! [Wil]

@quazar912 3 күн бұрын

so is mobile app only for Kiox or it can be use with Purion?

@KevinMullarkey 4 ай бұрын

Will the Flow app still sync with your ride data if you have ridden without the Kiox (or Intuvia) display?

@vashon100 3 ай бұрын

Yes, it will. Some bikes are sold without the display (so you use your phone). The motor still has memory of your mileage and syncs up fine even after having ridden previously without.

@razorree 8 ай бұрын

still years behind the best systems (Specialized), You can't adjust all modes and adjustments are quite 'simple', remote still massive and easy to damage, and why you can't adjust such a simple thing like overrun time ? Does it support Ant+/BLE to connect to your Garmin unit ??

@AnotherMrLizard 7 ай бұрын

Nah, spesh/Brose motor always feels low on power either side of its sweet spot. On paper the Brose should be better but on the trail overall the gen4 Bosch is better. I’ve had both. The Bosch motor is easier to get apart to change bearings and easier to work on. Hence why is consistently voted the best motor, also they’re out of warranty care far outstrips every other motor supplier in my experience as a working mechanic.

@oletu4465 Жыл бұрын

Hello, to make it more useful I have managed to put "waypoints" in the Bosch FLOW application.

@zjedinite 4 ай бұрын

What’s “waypoints” ??? Is it like saving your destination you have looked up?

@oletu4465 4 ай бұрын

@@zjediniteyes

@oletu4465 4 ай бұрын

What I did is make a kind of "waypoints" (actually they are 50-meter routes made with the KOMOT application, once created the FLOW application automatically imports them to "my routes"). So if I'm in the middle of the mountain and I want to go home (pepe bar, fuente del pino or wherever). I open my routes and press the one I did in front of my house of 50 meters and I hold down, and it will automatically calculate the route to go to my house without doing anything. (BE CAREFUL... IT ONLY WORKS ON ANDROID, with the Iphone it doesn't let you click on the route).until version 1.15.10. view on : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNiBmMqmrJmVpmg.html

@zjedinite 4 ай бұрын

@@oletu4465 gotcha! Thank you 🤙🏽

@RogerHolden 10 ай бұрын

Wow, that was soooooooo useful! Just got my first ebike. A Cube / Bosch and had no idea about all those features. One thing Bosch can't do is produce a good manual, it's truly awful. Mine only has the LED controller you show. Can I add a display? As good as the app is, mounting my phone in the UK weather is not really an option...

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube 8 ай бұрын

Glad you found it useful mate! Regarding a display, I understand it's a pretty straightforward add-on for your Cube e-Bike. Check in with your local Cube dealer and they'll be able to show you which display options you can purchase, and should be able to install it for you too. [Wil]

@vashon100 3 ай бұрын

The display and mount are expensive like $150+ . I just use my phone and an excellent mount.

@ianross225 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Q: can I upgrade my 2020 Gen 4 Purion to this system? Thanks, Ian

@jakubdobrosielski5709 11 ай бұрын

I'm curious too. You found the answer? Is it possible? I have 2021 cx4

@ianross225 11 ай бұрын

@@jakubdobrosielski5709 Sadly not unless you have a Smart motor….. My Trek Rail 9.7 is still excellent but this would have been the icing on the cake.

@jakubdobrosielski5709 11 ай бұрын

Ok. Thanks

@strel9 27 күн бұрын

Why you not comparing with Nyon system?

@DavidCharles-wi4qr 5 ай бұрын

Would like to see Bosch provide a quick release mounted wireless throttle capable CL motor and a legit MTB manufacturer to make that motor optional in their lower/mid tier EMTBs. This makes their bike a true quality trail and commuter bike. Sadly, most commuter "Emtbs" are Chinese junk and weight a ton. A quality Emtb that does city duty when you can't hit the trails is a market they both miss. It's huge and getting bigger. Also, being quick release and wireless, you can remove the throttle as it can be not allowed on some city trials.

@663066x 10 ай бұрын

Thansk for this video i have same bike but different collor

@tureencahill 3 ай бұрын

I'm gay 😄

@david029014 3 ай бұрын

I like these features wish yamaha had them

@lewiss66 Жыл бұрын

What about the auto mode?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube Жыл бұрын

We mentioned it at 3:21 - it's a relatively new update that came out during the filming of the video, so we've not had a chance to give it a thorough test just yet. We've just received another new Bosch bike that we'll be testing it out on shortly - stay tuned! [Wil]

@slypanda3655 Жыл бұрын

I'm worried the app will detect my speedfun tuning chip and then its game over, so haven't bothered downloading yet😅

@emtbtrips111 Жыл бұрын

Hi , do you have smart system ? How the speedfun works , any problems or errors ?

@slypanda3655 Жыл бұрын

@@emtbtrips111 yes I do! done 160 miles plus since install no errors as of yet 🤞

@sijmes Жыл бұрын

Do you have a smart system with the internal sensor ?

@ikerlaz4126 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. I have a speedbox 3.b and It's clear that although the update is fun, it's just a gimmick. I'd rather have an unrestricted bike than an smartphone app.

@bastogne315 Жыл бұрын

Yeah app is a load of pi ss.

@tiagomarques7835 9 ай бұрын

Top 🤠

@david029014 3 ай бұрын

Where ?

@razorree 8 ай бұрын

what's so impressive about overrun/boost?? every motor has it less impressive is that you can't customise it thru the app....what a bummer ....

@EMTBAFV 2 ай бұрын

The new update in feb 24 you can tune all them

@maxflight777 11 ай бұрын

Ebike lock could leave you stranded in the mountains in the event a crash damages your fragile iPhone (or a phone battery dies prematurely) . I don’t recommend it.

@zaufps9118 6 ай бұрын

That happen if you turn off the eBike after you lose your phone. If you lose your phone mid-trip and the eBike is not turned off, the Lock will not activate.There is also a new feature that allows you to use the kiox300 as a key / Lock

@00yomismo 4 ай бұрын

In your video I can see that with 81% of 750w battery you have 43Km (in eMTB mode). I have the same bike and battery, and before the last Bosch update (1.18) with 86% of battery I have only 38Km!! Have you noticed this??

@JK-sn6tv 25 күн бұрын

Lol I run auto and disabled emtb. Prettymuch same but auto feels more dynamic. Im 120kg with riding gear and I get 52km on auto with 625whbattery at 97%

@philipf8774 Жыл бұрын

Who wants to reduce the max speed to 10 km/h?😂 The already impremented 25 km/h limit is a joke.

@MarioGoatse Жыл бұрын

Yep. Volspeed for the win. 45km/h is a good sweet spot IMO.

@zaufps9118 6 ай бұрын

Have you ever heard of European laws where the maximum speed for scooters and ebikes has to be 25km/h? Just so you know, there are eBikes with Bosch motor in America and they reach 45km/h because the law allows it.

@vashon100 3 ай бұрын

I have my other mt bike set for 0 km/hr (it has no motor) LOL . I do find it odd they limited it so low when other global places have it higher. Should be universal at the higher.

@living4adrenaline 9 ай бұрын

I thought he was going to show us how to hack it and make it go 100mph

@tomaszhewelt4394 Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to replace Bosch LED Remote with Bosch Mini Remote? The LED Remote looks very unprofessional in my opinion and I'm not a fan of this 'disco' lights. Its just a cheap thing on an expensive equipement. I don't really need to know at which mode I'm riding as I can easily feel it. Same for battery.

@Tony_P Жыл бұрын

You can "sense" your battery level ? Wow. That's amazing hahahhaha

@sality3605 11 ай бұрын

Not a bad idea you can still keep your kiox to get informations.

@tomaszhewelt4394 11 ай бұрын

@@Tony_P Yes I can easily estimate how much is left by experience.

@zaufps9118 6 ай бұрын

you can if you install also a system controller + mini remote

@aberdeendeltaforce Жыл бұрын

These bikes are just too damn slow…..15.5mph is ludicrously slow. It’s hurting sales more than you will ever know. Bosch etc need to take the law makers to court and challenge this stupid rule.

@Adam-vm8kp Жыл бұрын

It’s not hurting sales at all lol. You want everyone to have to pay for tax, insurance etc?

@bike.Tattoothanhty1993 7 ай бұрын

Ip yoi 😊

@Hannah-on1vw Жыл бұрын

👀 ρгό𝔪σŞｍ

@spookmore Жыл бұрын

I dont like the fact these new motors lost nm of power So i wont update to there new system.

@zaufps9118 6 ай бұрын

what...

@vashon100 3 ай бұрын

their vs there

@K1989L Жыл бұрын

Cadence 80-90 rpm 😂 Those are rookie numbers.. you need to bump up those numbers!

@cooleyballs1 9 ай бұрын

This is all rubbish..these bikes are rendered usless due to the 25kms limit...end of story.

@e-mike9776 5 ай бұрын

so true, if tuning isn't possible anymore due to anti tamper software, they wont sell 1 emtb anymore... 25km/h is pathetic, you constantly run into limit, making it run and stop and run and stop...

@cooleyballs1 5 ай бұрын

And yet not one of these reviewers will say that straight out and call out the manufacturers. @e-mike9776

@manfredstrappen7491 4 ай бұрын

@@e-mike9776 I’m pretty sure they’ll sell at least one EMTB if not three! Luckily I live in the land of 20mph Class 1’s.

@Beeeeeeeeeee 9 ай бұрын

Tips for the battery: don't buy Bosch. They will not be waterproof, can't be repaired, can stop working due to a software! error. You never know if they will use proper LG cells or crappy Sanyo cells in your battery. Oh and they refuse to sell parts to a store that repairs an enclosure of a battery, because they're "harming the safety features". Pure corporate greed.

@duncancccc 6 ай бұрын

Clearly you don’t treat your bike properly

@Beeeeeeeeeee 6 ай бұрын

@@duncancccc Clearly I fix these batteries for a living. Clearly I've already had 38 of these batteries in for repair just the last 2 weeks. Even with proper maintenance of the battery, it'll still have random BMS errors, water intrusion from light rain, BMS diodes that fail, Tempsensor defects, Smashed balance wires from factory...