Valve included an artwork on some later update where there was a Windranger focus firing a Techies and the killfeed had Slacks as Techies

slacks: "windranger is inconsistent" grubby: "it's good when it hits"

20:24 Man that's the best quote I've heard in a while. Should be on a poster or T-shirt. Would sell like hot cakes.

Fun facts: Her pick rate jumped 10% after this video, and Valve released an arcana for her shortly after.

It is EXACT thig, that when some Void place a bad chrono - as it turn out EVERYONE, but Void, are experts of chronos. Everyone ping at him. Even Lion, which missclicked finger into creep, or Lich who did ulti in single target or Mirana, who got successful shots like 1 from 10 thru all game or Pudge, who entire game sit into woods and misses all hoooks.

Windranger coaching by slacks. Great. Make it happen soon.

35:10 Regarding this winrate statistic. Although I do disagree with the statistic, Windranger had a 0% (0-7) winrate in qualifiers. The argument to made here is not that Windranger has the lowest winrate, but something about the hero encourages them to trust it as a pick regardless of the reality of her viability. Iconic example is Ti9 game 4: you can see how Windranger is discussed by Liquid even though its clear she offers nothing to their draft. Slack's point is not that 41% winrate is bad, but there isn't a hero with a 41% winrate who you would jump out of your seat to recommend the same way you would her. That being said, according to Dotabuff, no hero has a winrate below 42% in 2 years.

"As a player, you don't look at statistics, you make them" good quote lol. On the other hand though, you have to look at reality and work on the correct conclusions. I started to look back at my replays/recordings a few years back and it's mind-blowing just how unreliable my memory is. Getting the correct conclusions is mega important to the improvement loop so I kept the habit of recording my games if there isn't a readily available replay function, which sadly is true for a lot of games even today although shadowplay made it a lot easier. On another note Windranger always felt meh to me as a hero, I played her for a while (a few years ago when I was still serious about DOTA2) and I just don't think there is a job someone else can't do better. Even if you just want to hit skill shots, hitting her skills just doesn't feel very good and I'd pick someone with huge ults if I want to scratch that itch.

Slacks has a Windranger body pillow. He had to give her up because his wife got jealous. So Slacks turned that conflict into hatred for WR.

Pov: Grubby starts playing windranger and prove Slarks point

20:23 badass Grubby

What's funny about the LoL comparisons is that they used to have a staple DotA archetype in there with pre-rework Sion, his kit was a single-target stun that couldn't miss, a toggle that buffed his damage at the cost of his hp, a self-cast Abaddon shield, and an install ult that further increased his attack and movespeed for 20 seconds. After the rework the shield is the only thing that stayed, everything else is skillshots now.

It still pains me seeing w33ha picking WR final game vs OG. He even get caught somehow at the end.

the laddering event you were puzzled by is a firemans competition

5:40 I think it's something like this. Windranger can also be a comfort pick and yeah, as an emergency pick it's picked by teams that are being outplayed.

"That would make clinkz bad mid" WEll... that hero havent been picked for a years. He is bad! :D

ty slacks for making the argument I have always thought

29:34 Yeah extremely true. Everyone was pissed about that monkey king bar change. The 100% hit to 80% hit and removing bash hurts alot for people trying to counter PA or butterfly item hero like dusa

Grubby felt like an argumentative child that just wanted to refute everything LOL.

She is the ranged Pudge... people playing for the fun of a skillshot and ruining my games!

I find her to be a very simple character, she works a bit like pudge, you need to think where the hook is going and connect the shackle to the point, granted her shackle can sometimes latch nothing surrounded by tree's and creeps though. She needs items and can only really deal with one problem at a time is her main issue.

OMG yes!!, Slacks is so passionate about this that I first ban Windranger in my games

The commitment aspect makes a lot of sense

28:22 Deso is not good on WR. Deso is good on heroes that have already have abilities that amp their attack damage. These are usually crits like Juggernaut's passive, Phantom Assassin's ult, Mar's shield bash.. Or heroes that gain bonus damage through skills like Razor's link. Tusk does both of these. Unless you plan on putting a lot of pressure on towers. Windranger literally does the opposite of this. You're pretty much getting net neutral benefits, when you should be taking advantage of the attack speed factor with items with a chance proc like mkb.. or Basher even.

Everything Slacks said hold true till this day, and what you've said at 33:08 hlds true, especially at TI. Both Clinkz and Windranger were ignored (not picked nor banned) along with 6 others. This means that there are heroes that are better at what they can do. The last time Windranger was relevant was at ESL One Stockholm 2022 where Ceb played pos 5 Windranger that focused on getting the shard as early as possible and play around that. After that tournament, WR was nerfed to the ground, especially her shard to what it is today, where at the time of the tournament, shard was global. Sure there are ways to circumvent these inherent weakness of WR's kit, but what Slacks said in the video sums up what the hero can offer in a game.

@5:25 Grubby being a pro.

I think the casino might be the point of picking WR in elim games. At that point you know that your dependable stuff probably doesn't work so your best chance is to roll the dice.

“Just don’t be bad” gotcha

He did w33ha dirty🤣🤣 And slacks eat my 10+ winstreaks in ranked pugs

Back in Dota1 I always buy Dagon 5 for Alleria and found that it's easier to win that way using her. The skills commitment is 100% true and Dagon5 seals the kill.

You 100% SHOULD look the fountain hook documentary

Unironically playing Windranger while listening to this video

"you make the stats" EXACTLY THE POINT

Was waiting for this

Some points from slacks were correct, however some were wrong Firstly yes WR is a garbage carry, however she can work as a support or mid. • Don't use windrun to get into a fight, save it. • WR can tank the frontlines only on specific heroes [right-clickers] • Positioning matters, you don't need to overcommit • I often see WR as a counterpick for rightclickers more than a comfort pick • Blink dagger exists for a more reliable shackleshot Note: If you say you can just buy MKB against WR, that's kinda fine for 2 reasons. One if you're s support thats fine because you are just a support, why eould a carry use up an item slot just for you. If you're mid you still have a powerspike before they have MKB Note; I think WR kinda sucks a bit more now because they removed 2nd charge of windrun from Aghs, that was a real good aghs upgrade demonstrated by Yopaj. End note: I used to be a pos 4 WR main, before I switched to being a Pos 5 Venge main. And here are things to say she can work as a support only as a counterpick to right clickers. Then you MUST be good at landing your skillshots, otherwise you are useless, so positioning matters, shackleshot for good early harrass then in teamfights I usually stay at the backline throwing shackleshots I know will hit, and following it up with Powershot. Last Tip: NEVER and I say NEVER throw a shackleshot if it won't connect, it is a waste of mana and baits your team. That being said she can only work it you know how to play her and if the enemies have right clickers, otherwise other supports are a better choice, which is why I switched to being a pos 5 Venge.

When will grubby be ready to play TI man?

been waiting for this since you use WR on A-Z

NGL that fading bias effect 12:00 actually makes a lot of sense... 😄

Clinkz has a lot of bad matchup mid and generelly needs a lot of help till lvl 6, atleast if the opponent knows what to do. I love clinkz but didnt play him for a long time :D its hard to fit him in.

I think ive seen it before, but waa its so good, slacks is great humorist, he could do standup comedy. I guess he is at the TI and in streams.

Full stream link?

All pros and analysts say Wind is very bad unless if it's played by CEB.

36:22 Shhh he still doesn't know that GabeN is the abusive one. One day, you too will lose your "techies" hero...but I won't wish it on you. Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemies...RIP: Slack's techies...

As someone with over one thousand matches as windranger, I can confirm that 12:55 diffusal is one of the biggest trap items for this hero, PLEASE never buy this in your guy's pubs.

10:06 might be a sport fire fighters competition they have records of fastest climbing a ladder on multiple stories

Science of Dota: Subject - Windranger

I agree with him. Ever since they put the movement speed lock on her, she's been getting worse with each patch since. Now her scepter upgrade of 2 windruns has been removed and she's just too slow to get around the map without boots of travel. When you unlocked her move speed, you could windrun at 850 move speed. Scepter Slark is the king of map mobility now.

The fable music. Just listened to it and thought i left the tab open. Also, enemy girls with big what?

The heroes are based on Blizzard characters only by the sheer fact that they used their models in the mod for obvious reasons, but their lore was always different from the start, so no Drow and wind are not sisters, wind was presented as human on dota, then they kind of went and pushed her into elf species for some reason.

FTR Slacks has always been known for his Omniknight and then his Techies.

Grubby would watch anything but TI7 true sight lol

39:30 correction. They are not sisters in warcraft. Lich king turned sylvanas into the banshee queen. Same thing with omniknight model, arthas turning into lichking(abaddon).

He sounds like he is in a beer bar, dodging incoming glasses and telling everyone that their country needs to win next war.

now its time for Grubby to spam windranger KEKW

I think that sport at 10:00 is fire man ladder climbing. Basically fire departments training their muscles and having competitions in stuff that is vaguely relevant to the job.

WR the noob killer. That is it. I liked this hero. when i was still herald. Sir action slacks hit the nail on the head.

after this video i want play WR

grubby stuck in the cycle

Rip old techies :(

His psychotic rant makes me want to spam WR

42:00. Nice.

Grubby need to react to dota 2 reporter

16:37 Ceb had that same idea and won a major lol

15:54 Just get BKB Meanwhile Topson said BKB for noob... 😂😂😂

I don't think Slacks is wrong. Sure in the video he's playing it up for entertainment but he's right. I am saying this as an ex-Windrunner picker from long ago and I moved to more reliable hero's and we won more.

Ya slacks!!!

Oh gaod its finally happening

Slacks should hire ceb WR

WR rosh agh shard please?

Ceb would like a word

@Grubby u have to watch "dota 2 reporter" its hilarious

watch Slacks gets owned by Ceb

Never playing WR ever again...

Are you now a Dota only gamer? Or will you play Wc3 again at some point?

lets listen to someone who started playing a few weeks ago. i wonder what is his take about the pro scene SADGE.

I know this is old but WR's attack damage and armor is very low at start so you are trading downwards against other ranged mids. Her attack animation isn't that good either,makes it hard to get last hits. Her powershot isn't reliable for trades as it's quite easy to dodge if enemy has vision. You have limited access to trees for a good stun so you always have position yourself according to enemy creep but enemy mid will also move when you do that (similar to TA,but TA at least does it to get last hit). Windrunner is basically a snowball hero and after all,every hero is kinda snowball hero. She need heavy support to make it out of mid as a winner. She is not a good mid in my experience.

It's totally Maiev for me in hots. Whenever i get a teammate on Maiev - he is absolute garbo. Cant do anything. Feeds. Lowest dmg on the team (yes, below tanks and healers). But when Maiev on enemy team - it's a god with no deaths. Top dmg. Most kills. And tether 4-5 people everytime, perfectly landing his Q on them.

slacks mad when ceb domination with wr 🤣

And he didn't even mention the biggest problem with Windrunner, they changed her name to Windranger.

now watch Ceb talk to Slacks about WR. 🤣🤣

his arguments (not grubby) sound stupid when you remember two words - counter pick

stats are stats: there is no reliance for them, they're just a reflections of actions transpired. Taking them into account is you coaches job, not yours.

You should watch ceb in arlington major

you can talk about windranger all day. then Ceb comes in and makes it work!

Grubby really is kinda dumb aint he? "IN every abusive relationship you forget the lows" he forgot the meaning of IN.

In current meta I agree she's underwhelming. But that's cause Icefrog kinda killed her TRUE ONE ROLE. She's a RAT. She ain't meant to teamfight. She meant to but TP boots and push 3 towers alone in a time the entire enemy team pushes one. She's meant to tp lane, push tower, run out. But Icefrog made ratting practically impossible for a long time, cause he deemed it "unfun". That's why a lot of heroes are practically dead. Low lvl Lycan was all abour ratting. Haven't seen him in years. Non-cancer Tinker was all about non-stop pushing lanes. Old Broodmother was all about being a lane lurker that just makes enemy team hunt her or they loose to a rat. Some of those heroes got redesigns. But it's sad that we basically lost that role. Only hero I see consistently pulling off ratting is farmed Naga Siren. And boy, if you have farmed Naga Siren, you won that game like 10-15 minutes ago.

you should watch some Pyrion Flax guides to heroes- they were my first exposure to Dota

sniper, drow, clinkz these types of heroes lack mobility which is why they are better in the sidelanes with help. A consistent midlaner vs clinkz mid will win worse case scenario will go even.

This video reminds me of moneyball siractionslacks is Billy Beane grubby is everyone else lol

11:20 did anyone notice the powershot?

Watch the interview with Ceb where he silenced Slacks about WR being a terrible pick

all my games that had a wind carry i lost...wind is not a realiable carry

Who calculates stuns like that? The stun duration doesn't go up based on how many people you hit, that's stupid. You calculate cleaves like that because the damage is actually applied, individually, to each target hit. And it stacks as an equation when you're finding out the total damage. Stun duration on Shackleshot doesn't calculate like that.

LoL Grubb at 27:20 :D that is what Slacks saying :D if you hit this and this its good right ? :DD

Who remember ceb proving him wrong

see bamboe name makes me sad :(

great quote grubster ''i dont care about statistics, as a pro player i make the statistics , if you care about statistics as a pro youve lost it''

Banning heroes bc you afraid your team will pick theme xd genius!

Watching him talk about how much Windrunner has to commit, the entire time I'm thinking "Wait you just described Marci as well, and Marci is considered the best hero in Dota right now." Obviously this video was made before Marci was added, I just thought it was funny. It's also funny that he says he has a degree in psychology and talks about psychological tricks that make his think Windrunner is good, but doesn't recognize his own confirmation bias.

Slacks’ deep seated hate may be Exaggerated, but all his points makes full sense.