Ford APIM Sync 3 Broken or not?

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Kinetic Energy 1085

Kinetic Energy 1085

2 жыл бұрын

Before you spend over $1,300 for a new APIM, do a 5 why’s first, and a RCA (Root Cause Analysis). Is nav without data worth $1,300? Acceptable? No, but worth the cost with no guarantee when nav craps out?…… nothin my book, use apple car play.

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@jasonschlup807
@jasonschlup807 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. You did a great job working through and thinking about the problem at hand. I have a 2018 XLT as well, same exact problem. Before watching your video, I was about to start taking the dash apart to replace the APIM. After watching your video and going through the diagnostic steps, I determined my APIM was fine. But the NAV component of the system did seem to be the underlying issue. So I did some more digging, this time on the Ford site, logged into my trucks account (where you can see the SYNC 3 version and download updates). I noticed my map database was out of date (there is a cost to perform this update, $109 for a year). Previous map database was NA 1 18. New map database is NA 2 22. Even though it bugged me to no end this could possible be a fix, I paid for the map database update. Sure enough, after completing the map database update and driving the truck for a week now, all sluggish issue with the radio are gone. My Sync 3 system is acting just like it did when I bought it new 5 years ago, works great! I am going to give Ford a call to see what they have to say about this. Completely unsatisfactory the customer is expected to purchase this map database update in order for the Sync system to operate normally now.
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 5 ай бұрын
This is great insight, Jason! I’ve been lazy to get the map update but you are saying now your GPS is fine too now after doing it? Well heck! I’m having mine done now too! (I’ve been using Apple CarPlay google maps since) but yes, my APIM has been fast and fine since making this video and doing that APIM update.
@Wub892
@Wub892 6 ай бұрын
If memory serves me right I believe that sensor at the front of your windshield is what's called the sun load sensor and it detects light to adjust brightnesses or your daytime running lamps
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 6 ай бұрын
That’s the one on rear view mirror…….. I’m PRETTY sure too 🤣👍🏽 it’s a sensor that’s clear on the rear view that faces towards the windshield
@nicklucas366
@nicklucas366 5 ай бұрын
Have a 2020 fusion. Mine went out. Luckily I still have warranty on it. They have to replace the whole unit. Mine would free every time I started vehicle. Even factory reset would freeze.
@michaell31
@michaell31 Жыл бұрын
Mine does the same and i don't have navigation. I found Ford TSB 22-2254. I have back camera stuck on. Sometimes no radio. Channels jump. A ton of crap
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Did that TSB resolve your situation? I’ve heard of the black screen and camera issue
@royjeffreya
@royjeffreya 6 ай бұрын
Hey, thank you for this video. I attempted to access my diagnostic screen, but it won't come up at all. My screen works, allows me to hit everything. My truck is stuck on audio off mode. The GPS isn't working, and when I hit the volume button on the steering wheel it shows volume 0. When I spin the volume knob, nothing happens. My phone will connect via bluetooth, and carplay, shows stuff playing, but no audio whatsoever. Would this be an indication of faulty APIM?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 6 ай бұрын
What year is it? Yours sounds like it needs the software updates. Once I did the APIM software update, all was fine minus the GPS, which I mate found was its own software update. If you can hit buttons on the screen and it responds, it’s not the APIM, but the both the APIM and the GPS need their own updates. If I recall, I posted a link to the software update in this video .
@royjeffreya
@royjeffreya 6 ай бұрын
@@kineticenergy1085 I updated it yesterday, and still have the same issues unfortunately. 2017 f250 king ranch
@samtolentino1369
@samtolentino1369 5 ай бұрын
Did you ever get this fixed?? Because mine is doing literally the same exact thing.. no audio what so ever, I can’t even get to the audio option to select a source even!! Please help!! No radio in my 2016 f150 XLT is killing me
@robertwhitemoto
@robertwhitemoto Жыл бұрын
I’m going to try this tonight… because mine is fubar now
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Hope it works. Evidently I updated the APIM software and didn’t realize the GPS needed one too, so since the day I made this video, my APIM still functions flawlessly minus the GPS that I will update at some point 😂👍🏽
@garrettsmyth3775
@garrettsmyth3775 11 ай бұрын
My screen doesn't turn on at all, i've tried everything i can without taking the dash apart. Do you think the problem could be resolved by reprogramming the apim i already have?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 11 ай бұрын
If you’ve tried all, it’s likely the APIM had a short or is FUBAR😬
@MR2Aviator
@MR2Aviator 7 ай бұрын
Same problem here. Bluetooth microphone intermittent, Black screen for 5 months, then started back up for 6 months and in September went to a black screen again.
@mikedavis2895
@mikedavis2895 Жыл бұрын
What if my navigation and GPS don't work, but I can function through settings and also won't auto update or USB?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Anything GPS is all that crapped out on mine. I did the update by my laptop but haven’t tried the stick. I will find and post the link of the update I did that worked
@MR2Aviator
@MR2Aviator 7 ай бұрын
Same problem here. Bluetooth microphone intermittent, Black screen for 5 months, then started back up for 6 months and in September went to a black screen again.
@leighmiddleton4681
@leighmiddleton4681 Жыл бұрын
Maaaaan. You got it
@ubeuonly
@ubeuonly Жыл бұрын
I have a radio service route and I work at Ford and Lincoln dealers exclusively. I do the module replacement with programming complete for $699. Because I'm not greedy and because I feel so sad for the customers of Ford vehicles when Ford put junk on the market and knows full well that with Apple products it doesn't work correctly.. so initially I would have done the hard reset and a software upgrade if you still have no navigation try 10 minute hard reset. If not you need a sink module,. The dealers cost is 4:25 to 475 and the labor to install and program should only be 1.5 hours. In my experience the more pressure you put on Ford you might get half of the bill paid or more. Again they put fraudulent crap out there that's not compatible with Apple products and often causes software crashes. It's a known problem in Gen 2 and gen 3 and now Gen 4 sync systems. This is why you don't buy Every Man's truck. There is a chance that if when you start the vehicle you get a navigation not available prompt see your dealer, you could have a defective GPS antenna and that's definitely a $65 option that you want to look into but it's not very common in an F-150. But it's still better than buying a new apim. All navigation functions start and finish inside the apim module.
@cbnballerr
@cbnballerr 2 ай бұрын
Are you in California ?
@Noel_-jf7do
@Noel_-jf7do 6 ай бұрын
Ford tech here. It indeed is the APIM module
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 6 ай бұрын
In my case, in this video, or someone else’s comment? Mine I still fast and working to this day, minus the GPS, which I assume just needs the software update.
@butchhinnant2079
@butchhinnant2079 5 ай бұрын
Can I put a touchscreen from my 2019 to a 2022 f250? And how do I program to my new truck and vin number
@Triumph2727
@Triumph2727 Күн бұрын
My entertainment center, climate control and dash cluster all go dead when it gets hot. Is that an APIM problem?
@marycontreras9153
@marycontreras9153 5 ай бұрын
Mine doesn’t turn on at all. I already changed the fuse I don’t know what to do
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 5 ай бұрын
Not sure in that case.
@QuillyOG
@QuillyOG 4 ай бұрын
mine doesn’t either on a mustang. you’ll have to replace the apim module
@hammerdown4848
@hammerdown4848 Жыл бұрын
Hey bud, I was informed today by someone who sells these apim’s used. That it’s more than likely the gps antenna that creates some kind of back feed and overwhelms the apim… so he said if you replace the gps antenna it typically solves the issue. I’m about to try it as mine has done this 💩 for a couple years now and I’m sick of it!!
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Nice!!!!! Thanks for the reassurance because I’m convinced it’s the GPS antenna too😎👍🏽 now I’m definitely going to get one.
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr Жыл бұрын
I would try the update like i said before before you waste your money on the antenna. Unless you have a 1 off antenna that us bad in a batch of trucks, I doubt that the antenna is causing the issues. Also, the updates screen is really nice too. pretty much you get the platform that comes on the 2020 and newer trucks with the same size screen. Goodluck!
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
@@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr I will absolutely do the update first 😎👍🏽
@gabe8966
@gabe8966 Жыл бұрын
@@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr what update are you talking about? My screen went out
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr Жыл бұрын
@@gabe8966 Sorry for the Late reply. Hopefully you fixed your issue. Follow the instructions on the comment i did on this tread if you are having the same issues as me/us. Touchscreen not functioning properly, screen freezing. GPS erratic locations. Resetting works temporarily. ETC. There should be comments on this tread from a couple of months ago. I did mine almost a year ago. still working flawlessly.
@MR2Aviator
@MR2Aviator 7 ай бұрын
Great if the screen works, but can you do if the screen is dead?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 7 ай бұрын
Nope, that’s when it’s actually toast.
@MR2Aviator
@MR2Aviator 7 ай бұрын
Same problem here. Bluetooth microphone intermittent, Black screen for 5 months, then started back up for 6 months and in September went to a black screen again.
@arastevens8858
@arastevens8858 3 ай бұрын
I have to heat mine up by running the heater full blast and hot the volume and seek at the same time to get mine to come on
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 3 ай бұрын
Wow, that’s very odd. 😬
@Vjk5155
@Vjk5155 3 ай бұрын
Will that work for the black screen issue?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 3 ай бұрын
If the soft reset doesn’t clear the black screen, I believe that would be an actual bad APIM.
@brandonruiz2841
@brandonruiz2841 Жыл бұрын
When you did the two right slip button reset was the truck on? Was it in accessory, and did you turn truck completely on right after the reset? Basically can you provide more direction as to how you did the reset please
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
3:10 was when I explained it👍🏽 I know we all want to get to the heart of the topic as fast as we can but sometimes we have to watch a video in detail to not miss the vital parts😎also, to this day, everything that’s not GPS works just fine and fast. All I need to do is the GPS software update because when I did the APIM update from 2.3 to 3.0 it basically made the former GPS software obsolete. I’ll do it when I get around to it but this diagnostic demonstration will let you know if it’s ACTUALLY the APIM of not and mine clearly isn’t
@brandonruiz2841
@brandonruiz2841 Жыл бұрын
I watched the video multiple times brother, still not sure how long you held down the two buttons, if you did it with the truck on or off
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
@@brandonruiz2841 oh that. Hold them until you hear the chimes start, let go of the buttons and the truck was on auxiliary only
@brandonruiz2841
@brandonruiz2841 Жыл бұрын
@@kineticenergy1085 okay thank you, gonna try that now!
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
@@brandonruiz2841 let me know?
@Familyman530
@Familyman530 2 ай бұрын
Did you lose power to the usb inputs as well?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 2 ай бұрын
Nope
@burnelltidwell4227
@burnelltidwell4227 18 күн бұрын
updATE YOUR navigation with a sd card a if that doint work gat a nav antenna control for your truck and. that will fix it order from e bay
@leighmiddleton4681
@leighmiddleton4681 Жыл бұрын
Mines crapped out too. No resets working. SMH.
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Try what I did to rule out the $1k APIM. Mine is the GPS antenna 👍🏽
@ey298
@ey298 Жыл бұрын
@Kinetic Energy1..just found this out few weeks ago…there are separate updates for sync and navigation 😮!! WTF, right, lol So, might want to head on over to your ford acct. to ck if your navigation system has an update. Hope this cures your Ford Fubar Follies. Anyone interested in trying to start up a class action lawsuit over this? Takers?
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
I think you just provided the answer for all of us!! I did do the update but didn’t know it was nuts for the APIM and other functions minus GPS. I bet that’s all I have to do! Much oblige, E Y!
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
I think you just provided the answer for all of us!! I did do the update but didn’t know it was just for the APIM and other functions minus GPS. I bet that’s all I have to do! Much oblige, E Y!
@ey298
@ey298 Жыл бұрын
Let me know how it pans out. I got all my digits crossed for ya!!
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
@@ey298 definitely soon…. But I will post the findings when I do👍🏽thanks for sharing this with all of us
@ubeuonly
@ubeuonly Жыл бұрын
There are base software upgrades for the system and then there are navigation Map upgrades which they charge you for. They can be bought online on the Ford website or through the Ford parts department
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Current update: APIM still works just fine, all functions, minus anything GPS. Once GPS finally crapped out and says “navigation fault” everything else has been flawless, so, I personally do not believe buying a new APIM for $1k is worth just having nav without the use of my phone. I can connect my phone, use google maps, and still push buttons to navigate on the touch screen💁🏽‍♂️
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr Жыл бұрын
Did you ever fix the issue? I completely agree with you about the APIM not being bad. I think you need to do the software update all the way up to version 3.4 with a build date of 22200 and NAV "NA 2 21" When you do this, you will have the same software as the 2020 trucks. screen backround will be dark blue in night mode Right now I see you have the Older trucks version with the black backround when you go to night mode. I also have a 2018 F150 but mine is a limited. I would love to see an updated video of you fixing the issue.
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr Жыл бұрын
i think that when you went from 2.3 to 3.0, its still too old. You need to go to the 3.4 version. Follow this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKyJY7ehktW7kYk.html and go to the 12:22 marker and follow this. make sure you do the most current versions like he explains.
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
@@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr the ONLY functions not working now are just associated to GPS. Nav, and “find hotel, gas station etc” all other functions work flawlessly now and fast. So my thoughts are, if I can still use apple CarPlay to connect to my phone and have nav on the myfordtouch screen, and still use the touchscreen?…. It ain’t worth the $1k for a new APIM which won’t solve it anyway, it’s definitely something navigation related and maybe soon I’ll try a new nav cable or something to see if that fixes the nav 👍🏼
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
@@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr Bitchen! Thanks, I’ll try your link for that👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr
@GabrielGarcia-ry2wr Жыл бұрын
@@kineticenergy1085 I wouldn't mess with the cable or anything else. try the update from that video. I'm like 99% sure it will fix your issues. Plus, its free. The worst that will happen is that you will have the same software as the 2020 F150's have. Which is better anyways.
@envisionbybvinson7516
@envisionbybvinson7516 6 ай бұрын
My POS wont even get to the point of allowing me to do even this step.
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 6 ай бұрын
Then that unit may actually be toast 😬 mine is still fine since making this video, just need the GPS update
@leighmiddleton4681
@leighmiddleton4681 Жыл бұрын
Same. 2018 stx just paid it off
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 Жыл бұрын
Great feeling isn’t it 😎
@burnelltidwell4227
@burnelltidwell4227 18 күн бұрын
the sd card cost $16.00
@kineticenergy1085
@kineticenergy1085 18 күн бұрын
@@burnelltidwell4227 yes, when I made this video, I had already update it
@rcinfla9017
@rcinfla9017 Жыл бұрын
I believe the real issue is the micro solder joints on the large integrated circuits in APIM printed circuit board that fracture over time from temperature variation stress in the dash. This takes time to fatigue enough from expansion and contraction due to temperature extremes to finally create an intermittent fractured solder joint connection. There are hundreds of these micro solder ball connections under several large integrated circuits microcontrollers and memory chips. Ford knows it and can do nothing about it without a major redesign. Their first mistake was putting so many critical functions under centralized APIM control. An under-fill adhesive below the large chips can help take stress off of solder joints. That is something that could be done but manufacturing does not like the glue dispensing process. It will come and go depending on temperature and progressively gets worse over time. Eventually it acts up most of the time. Software slows down because it is waiting for a response from a peripheral that doesn't come because of a bad connection. There has been a few software band-aids to give up and continue to next tasks but that cannot always be done depending on the hung-up function. Smart phones have similar micro-solder ball integrated circuit connections, but they do not experience the temperature stress a unit permanently installed in a car dash does, and not many smartphones are expected to last as long as a vehicle. Most smartphones are replaced every two to four years.
@LukeLoeffler
@LukeLoeffler Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I haven't seen any difference in performance due to temperature changes, but I do notice changes based on elevation. When I reach a certain elevation, it stops working. However, during a high pressure weather pattern, it will often work again. Take the truck down to sea level, and it worked flawlessly for months, truck up in the mountains at 8,000 feet, it stops working. Was at sea level in freezing conditions, in mountains at 70 degrees. My theory was that perhaps an electrolytic capacitor somewhere is responding to pressure changes, perhaps causing brownouts to a power supply. I suppose if the electronics were sealed, pressure could cause poor solder joints to be bridged again, but I can't think of how this process would work otherwise.
@MagicTheKrakening
@MagicTheKrakening Жыл бұрын
they didn't put enough epoxy on the boards. Took mine apart and found the capacitors were swelled up. replaced them and it works.
@_imevo_
@_imevo_ Жыл бұрын
So I have this issue and have dropped too much money trying to find a solution. But anytime my car is over 100*F internal, the head unit will come on. Any other time... nothing. I also cant do any software updates because theres nothing for me to interact with. Should I consider just buying a new APIM or is there opportunity for fixing it myself?
@subsWithnovideos-qk4ek
@subsWithnovideos-qk4ek Жыл бұрын
Why can ford make something that last , like Toyota !
@redrockracing4571
@redrockracing4571 4 ай бұрын
Buy a Ram problem solved.
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