Forever and Ever: The WORST Gordon Episode

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D10Studios235

D10Studios235

27 күн бұрын

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Gordon is one of the BEST characters in Thomas and Friends. But unfortunately, despite him being one of the most consistent characters he has some really terrible episodes. One episode that did him the WORST (in my opinion) was Forever and Ever from season 22. But why is that? Let’s find out!
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@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646
@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646 26 күн бұрын
My brain can't comprehend how Nia being the one to tell Gordon to suck it up even got into the script, like, how!? It's explicitly, straight up in your face so close that it's uncomfortable, that its one of the most morally misguided things one can do in a kids show!
@nicholetheotter1957
@nicholetheotter1957 24 күн бұрын
It’s awful. It’s like Nia is just blatantly telling the audience “Hey, I’m the new woke female token diversity engine, so suck it up and accept me as a main character” and that shows exactly what Nia and Rebecca exist for, being political statements and not a proper compelling character. Mattel only wanted to use their gender (and race for Nia) as their main selling point without even bothering to transition them into the main cast properly, getting blatantly shoehorned.
@giulianodervelociraptorder734
@giulianodervelociraptorder734 26 күн бұрын
Gordon actually had a heart in the Miller era. In KOTR, S17 & TOTB, Gordon still had a heart. In S18-S20 (minus TAB) he became more grumpy. TGR and S21 fixed his character but BWBA then gave the middle finger.
@ItsCarlos563
@ItsCarlos563 26 күн бұрын
At least Edward and Henry didn't suffer getting even more bad episodes in the BWBA Era. This and Gordon Gets the Giggles are the worst Gordon episodes in the show.
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
Fr
@joshuav875
@joshuav875 25 күн бұрын
I thought that the giggles episode was considered the worst as it was squeak rattle and roll done wrong
@dslade6559
@dslade6559 25 күн бұрын
I actually like Gordon Gets the Giggles 👍 🤭 💙
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
I’m glad BWBA was able to keep Edward and Henry in character, even if they didn’t appear as much as they used to.
@CTTE06
@CTTE06 25 күн бұрын
That is so true
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 26 күн бұрын
The Miller era did have Gordon's goodhearted side in his episodes.
@giulianodervelociraptorder734
@giulianodervelociraptorder734 26 күн бұрын
And S17 & S21.
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
Yeah I honestly think Nitrogen era Gordon is better than Brennar era Gordon
@ItsCarlos563
@ItsCarlos563 25 күн бұрын
@@Avery_Productions And I prefer Gordon in the HiT Era over the Classic Era.
@Tugsboi47
@Tugsboi47 25 күн бұрын
@@ItsCarlos563same
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
Yeah, I like Gordon much better when he’s goodhearted and well-spirited.
@alolaamii
@alolaamii 25 күн бұрын
I guess I never viewed this episode as Gordon having a "tantrum", more so, he was afraid of change. That's a reasonable fear for most, and he was doing what he could to ensure everything went back to the way it was. And his outburst, I more felt was a mental breakdown. All these changes to deal with, stressed him out, and he had had enough, so he went a bit haywire.
@erikthetrainmaster6112
@erikthetrainmaster6112 26 күн бұрын
Gordon is one of my favorite characters in Thomas. He has tons of great episodes but this one is without a doubt his worst episode. This is one I would set on fire for ruining Gordon’s character up!
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 26 күн бұрын
According to Ian McCue, Henry was originally going to remain at Tidmouth Sheds alongside Rebecca.
@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646
@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646 26 күн бұрын
Dunno why they couldn't add an extra berth other than to keep the main cast at 7 characters.
@LazyOldFusspot_3428
@LazyOldFusspot_3428 26 күн бұрын
​@@DonaldTheScottishTwin57646 Budget, I guess? Then you have the Christopher Awdry-esque indoor turntable sheds. Why didn't they stick to that?
@Tugsboi47
@Tugsboi47 25 күн бұрын
@@LazyOldFusspot_3428the rws roundhouse would have been better
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 25 күн бұрын
Source?
@giulianodervelociraptorder734
@giulianodervelociraptorder734 25 күн бұрын
@@NitroIndigo Ian said it in an email. The email was shown in Unlucky Tug's Henry video.
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho
@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho 25 күн бұрын
Make this episode about Percy being upset about Nia filling in for Thomas’s jobs while Thomas is away on his big world adventure and have Gordon, who’s come to accept Rebecca’s presence as co-express engine, show him the good side of change, and it becomes golden. In fact, that’s exactly what my rewrite, “For Always and Always”, is all about.
@Fgeographytopics579
@Fgeographytopics579 26 күн бұрын
Gordon: never trust domeless engines,they aren't respectable Emily: hey!
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
Gordon: Oops. 😳
@Fgeographytopics579
@Fgeographytopics579 25 күн бұрын
​@@tonybusch8771 I can imagine Emily teaming up with donald and douglas to beat him up😂
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 24 күн бұрын
@@Fgeographytopics579, Hm, that would be something now, would it. 😏
@Fgeographytopics579
@Fgeographytopics579 24 күн бұрын
@@tonybusch8771 yeah I guess
@TheEerieMaster
@TheEerieMaster 26 күн бұрын
I'd always like to joke about this episode, and say Gordon is a metaphor for the fandom when we were told Henry was being written off and replaced by a uninteresting character I enjoy laughing at this episode🤣
@comicfan1324
@comicfan1324 25 күн бұрын
What sucks is the episode could’ve worked if instead of making fun of the audience and implying that they’re feelings are invalid. They could’ve tried to cushion the blow a little bit. Obviously, Thomas & Friends is a fictional show so what happens it doesn’t ultimately matter, but the show still means a lot to a lot of people and making such a major change so quickly is going to have a strong response so they really could’ve use this episode to say “we get it a lot is changing, but everything is going to be OK”. Instead of the message is “deal with it, you baby.”
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly. BWBA had so much wasted potential that kinda frustrates me sometimes.
@killdozer7792
@killdozer7792 25 күн бұрын
You know how I would have written this episode? Gordon is deeply missing Edward after he moves out and has some resentment towards Nia. However, it is also established that Henry has been making long trips to and from the mainland with heavy freight, so it's often late when he gets back... thus, he doesn't get much chance to sleep. He speaks to Edward one day, who suggests he could sleep at Vicarstown, since it'll be closer. Henry asks The Fat Controller about this, and agrees. Gordon overhears and is so cross, he ends up running into a freight train, causing himself some damage. To Gordon's annoyance, Nia is the one who has to take him to the works, but as the two talk, Gordon realises that they have a lot in common, especially since Nia can never see her old friends again. At the Steamworks, Edward and Henry visit Gordon and kindly reassure him they'll remain The Three Railway Engines.
@terencewilliammckenna6121
@terencewilliammckenna6121 26 күн бұрын
Gordon could’ve blamed James for starting all this by crashing into the shed in the first place
@RWSfan2024
@RWSfan2024 25 күн бұрын
That honestly makes more sense
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
Fr and why should Gordon be listening to nia who he knows chose to leave her friends to live on Sodor
@RyanHo242
@RyanHo242 25 күн бұрын
Yes.
@jeremiahsisaias8677
@jeremiahsisaias8677 25 күн бұрын
​@@RWSfan2024Someone should make a video about that one day.
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
@@RWSfan2024, Yeah.
@stuartbarclay7940
@stuartbarclay7940 26 күн бұрын
Me: Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy... I don't want your GARBGE, Mattel! Mattel: Oh, please! Oh, please. Oh, please, oh, please... Me: I don't think you grasp... the severity of the situation. In all seriousness, this would definitely be the worst Gordon episode ever! I would rather watch the Tracks to Big Adventures episode Changes to the Railway over it anyday. Link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mMCWn857zbm1qJc.htmlsi=JlL4jpXUjo2k07Le
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
Hit Entertainment: *(Growls Angrily)* Murderer. Mattel: Hit… Hit, Please? Please, have mercy, I beg you. Hit Entertainment: You don’t deserve to live.
@amyrodgers4252
@amyrodgers4252 25 күн бұрын
I honestly just felt bad for Gordon in this episode. He was just upset about Edward and Henry - the two engines he's been with since the start of the NWR - leaving, and in his eyes, replaced by two new engines he hardly knows. I also hate how NO ONE regards his feelings about this. He's just treated like he's the crazy one. I also can't really blame him for lashing out in Knapford, I'd be pretty upset myself if a close friend just randomly decided to move without telling me. Personally, i think Nia DID see that he was upset, so comforting him is alright, but the way she goes about comforting Gordon in a "suck it up" kinda way is awful.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
It’s not like Edward and Henry left the railway. Gordon is still gonna see them most of the time.
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 26 күн бұрын
Also, Gordon notes how he’d want his own shed in “the frozen turntable” for sake of peace and quiet as he often demands the others to be quiet and they seemed to have forgotten about that
@jeremiahsisaias8677
@jeremiahsisaias8677 25 күн бұрын
This episode is relatable bad to me. Gordon was speaking straight up FACTS about how the audience feels about Henry's departure with no explanation. The title of this episode should've been called "Gordon goes rogue". He and Edward weren't fully gone yet as they had some cameos, mentions and speaking roles in the next 2 seasons of the BWBA Era.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 24 күн бұрын
At least someone isn’t claiming that they weren’t part of the show anymore. Nice to see someone is acknowledging that they didn’t disappear like BoCo, Arthur, Murdoch and Molly.
@aegontan686
@aegontan686 25 күн бұрын
I think they used Gordon to represent and make fun of Thomas fans in this episode
@bubblingboiler195
@bubblingboiler195 25 күн бұрын
I do understand why he got mad. Edward and Henry where his first friends
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
I mean, yes, sure, Gordon can be somewhat quite an annoying bully to others from time to time, but that isn’t what we wanted of him, really, he’s really the other engines’ friend, no matter how angry he gets with them, or how angry they get with him.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Still doesn’t justify acting like a child tbf.
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 20 күн бұрын
Good/​​⁠Fair Point.
@TobyOliverHenryFan
@TobyOliverHenryFan 25 күн бұрын
4:03 I didn't know Gordon had a mental breakdown. I still don't understand how you have one of those. And frankly, I don't want to know.
@D.S_Productions
@D.S_Productions 25 күн бұрын
4:49 Bro was on Welsh Coal 😭
@megariderfire1994
@megariderfire1994 25 күн бұрын
Yeah...this really was a lowest Gordon has ever been. Imagine Sodor's top link prestigious express engine of the famous A1 class of the great Sir Nigel Gresley...acting like one hell of an immature thoughtless manchild. Sure, the Brenner Era flanderized him to a grumpy selfish cynical jerk but never to THIS point. That and Gordon was seriously the only one that even cared when two of the engines that have been with him since like the beginning and not even the two engines (Edward and Henry of course) that chose to leave were the ones trying to comfort them and explain their decisions. Anyways, I'm curious to see more installments of the worst episodes for certain Thomas characters. Looking forward to Thomas, Emily, and the Scottish Twins someday!
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 20 күн бұрын
There are no worst episodes about Thomas, but, I can think of a couple for Emily and Donald & Douglas.
@terencewilliammckenna6121
@terencewilliammckenna6121 26 күн бұрын
Obviously similar to fans’ complaints on the BWBA era
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Yep.
@Mr.ZackProductions2024
@Mr.ZackProductions2024 26 күн бұрын
I agree with you that This is by far The WORST Gordon episode of all time!🤬Gordon Acts like a Whining Baby in this just Because Edward moved out also i hate how henry JUST SAID IN 1 LINE That he is moving out of Tidmouth Sheds for NO REASON AT ALL Just to Let Rebecca into the Steam team They could just let Edward go to Wellsworth with Boco and Rebecca go to Tidmouth Sheds its not that Hard! At Least some Sharon Miller and hit era Episodes got Gordon right like Snow Tracks O the Indignity its Good to be Gordon Etc But this is so Bad and the worst episode of Season 22 next to Apology Impossible and This is why The Steam team Does not WORK! also Nice video and i cant wait for Emily i think its gonna Be Emily's Adventure: The Worst Emily Episode i hope im Right!
@callum110597
@callum110597 25 күн бұрын
I actually like "Forever and Ever", even though it sucks that Henry just randomly left Tidmouth Sheds just for Vicarstown! Just why? And yeah, the whole Steam Team concept is a big joke, when there are loads of other engines we wanna see, not just Thomas and seven other well-known characters. 😒 But still, I favour this over "Gordon Gets the Giggles", "The Frozen Turntable" and especially "Gordon and Ferdinand".
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
IRYO, but I do wish we had the better version of BWBA that Brenner and McQue likely had in mind before the executives at Mattel demanded to cut season 21 short and rush production of BWBA.
@callum110597
@callum110597 25 күн бұрын
@@joshuaW5621 Me too; it made better sense with Rebecca introduced much earlier and Henry staying at Tidmouth Sheds.
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 25 күн бұрын
It must be that Henry moves to vicarstown as he often delivers cargo trains to the mainland as told in tale of the brave and journey beyond Sodor
@nicholetheotter1957
@nicholetheotter1957 24 күн бұрын
This is most likely the theory behind it, as Vicarstown is on the eastern side of Sodor and the last stop before the Mainland. He was likely having to travel to the Mainland a lot more than he used to, meaning he hasn’t been able to spend as much time on Sodor and thus had to live closer to the Mainland to fulfil the demand. Henry never even interacted with Rosie, so pairing them up was such a weird move on Mattel’s part.
@terencewilliammckenna6121
@terencewilliammckenna6121 26 күн бұрын
They should’ve given Toby a berth at Tidmouth sheds
@supermariof0521
@supermariof0521 25 күн бұрын
How would I fix it? Simple. Instead of having Gordon act like a spoiled little child, you could instead just simply have him be glum about Edward leaving Tidmouth sheds cause he knew Edward for many years and had learned a lot from elderly K2. Like maybe he would try not to show his glum side and try to get on with his work, but the more he tries to focus on his express duties, the more unhappy he becomes. Eventually he finally opens up to Edward about how he felt he was being sent away and replaced. Turns out Nia had also been unsure about her new life on Sodor as it is obviously very different from the African railway she used to work on. She tells Gordon that she knows how he feels and how she had friends she used to know on her old railway and how she sometimes feels sad that she's very far away from them. Edward also understands where Gordon is coming from, but is proud of him for trying to remain mature about Edward leaving Tidmouth, but explains that he's not leaving Sodor and is simply moving to Wellsworth which is part of his branchline, but sees just how much Gordon has grown personality wise and how Gordon learned so much and gained a lot of respect for Edward. However Gordon feels guilty for not giving Nia a chance and apologizes to her, but Nia tells him that she understood where he was coming from, cause she's having a difficult time trying to get used to her new life on Sodor, and Gordon tries to make it up to Nia by offering to show her around Sodor to help her get more aquainted with the North Western Railway. And the episode ends with Gordon being happy he had made a new friend and that Edward was remaining on Sodor, but just living in a new shed closer to his branchline.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
I’m so disappointed that this wasn’t the version we got.
@thesudriana016
@thesudriana016 25 күн бұрын
Alongside Frozen Turntable - Forever & Ever or any other Brenner/BWBA Gordon appearance didn't do my favorite Thomas character justice (the only exceptions I make in his main roles where he is genuine in my opinion are Gordon Runs Dry, Confused Coaches and Gordon & Rebecca Coming Through!). However, the early CGI seasons (when Sharon Miller was headwriter formally) handled Gordon well cause it was under HiT Entertainment's ownership until Mattel swallowed the company up and it became no more. I used to like this episode prior, but now I absolutely hated it! Gordon's tantrum is unacceptable and I see the potential in what the concept was meant to be about, but how it was handled is so turbulent. I will say it wasn't meant to be written in the first place - cause Rebecca was meant to be in Edward's place at Tidmouth and Henry never leaves for Vicarstown permanently, but then production issues occurs in Arc's bankruptcy, TAB fast-tracked into their schedule, etc. Series 21 where she was meant to be a part of was cut short and was pushed forward to this era (Confusion w/o Delay and Chucklesome Trucks). And I agree that the Steam Team concept doesn't work - they portray Tidmouth as a superhero lead corporation group when it and the main cast and other characters can use it at different times like a real locomotive shed. They just wrote themselves into a pickle, didn't they?
@LeshaunDinglenut7095
@LeshaunDinglenut7095 26 күн бұрын
Finally someone says that Nia and Rebecca should've coexist with Edward and Henry. I'm tired of all those Thomas purists saying that they should be scrapped because it's so lazy. Thank you for speaking the truth at 7:03
@jacobjcb8883
@jacobjcb8883 25 күн бұрын
It's ironic how fans tell you to stop bashing on AEG when they keep bashing on these two even after BWBA concluded
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
@@jacobjcb8883my thoughts exactly. And as for the whole scrapping them and BWBA thing, this literally goes against the point of trying to fix it. As the Unlucky Tug put it best “A bad writer gets rid of stuff that doesn’t work. A good writer makes that stuff work.” If Awdry had the same sort of mentality as these anti-BWBA people, I bet he would have killed off Henry instead of having him rebuilt.
@jacobjcb8883
@jacobjcb8883 25 күн бұрын
@@joshuaW5621 Yeah I can't believe nobody's noticed how ironic it is If there's one thing that pisses me off, it's hypocrisy If these people want fans to stop directing hate to AEG non stop then they should at least set an example
@nicholetheotter1957
@nicholetheotter1957 24 күн бұрын
It’s so infuriating that after Nia and Rebecca got introduced, Edward and Henry basically got erased from existence. Even the characters themselves act like the two “retired” engines don’t exist. But of course Mattel wanted to cave to demand from the woke feminist brigade…
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 24 күн бұрын
@@nicholetheotter1957 no they didn’t. They show didn’t completely abandon them.
@user-wt6gh9np4c
@user-wt6gh9np4c 23 күн бұрын
This is where people have to give the Miller era credit. Say what you want about most of the characters, but you can’t deny that they nailed Gordon’s pompous and kindhearted sides perfectly. Not like the Brenner era and THIS abomination of any episode.
@seanagulan9481
@seanagulan9481 23 күн бұрын
Gordon is basically the T&F fandom reacting to this…
@mee_is_sus
@mee_is_sus 25 күн бұрын
4:14 My reaction to all of mattel's business decisions:
@cadenthethomasexpert1379
@cadenthethomasexpert1379 25 күн бұрын
Accurate
@PCMan8922
@PCMan8922 26 күн бұрын
I knew Gordon has terrible episodes! I knew it! Can't wait for Emily.
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 25 күн бұрын
My money's on one of the HIT Era episodes.
@karenfan010
@karenfan010 25 күн бұрын
4:09 lost treasure but the roles are reversed.
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
Oh-No, not that again, please don’t remind me.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
lol
@ClicketyclackJustDougie
@ClicketyclackJustDougie 25 күн бұрын
I just found Gordon’s tantrum funny
@margogoralski6294
@margogoralski6294 9 күн бұрын
Nice video, dude. I always found this video to be a very bitter and condescending call out to upset fans, along with regressing Gordon's personality. Writing off Henry was super rushed and unnecessary and just further sours this era and makes it rather spiteful. Also, I love your usage of the FNAF SB daycare theme in your outro.
@blackraptorex2469
@blackraptorex2469 24 күн бұрын
As someone who considers Gordon to be my favorite character in all of TTTE and Gordon literally having the strongest and best episodes of the show, this episode was just painful to watch, the fact Gordon would throw a tantrum is so out of character for him, sure he is grumpy and can be arrogant and pompous but by all means he would not act childish about it, the only characters of the main cast that I could consider throwing tantrums are Thomas and James, that’s it. The overall concept of Gordon having to accept change is such a good idea but MAN was it executed atrociously, plus having Nia to tell Gordon oh suck it and accept it just pisses me off because like huh??? Dude this is just wrong in so many levels man, Edward should’ve been the one to tell him that he needs to accept the change not having the new comer tell him!
@keanes8608
@keanes8608 25 күн бұрын
Gordon felt the most relatable during that episode. Who wouldn’t react like that!
@jameskennedy075
@jameskennedy075 26 күн бұрын
Are you having trouble deciding which on one the WORST Thomas episode? Because there are loads of disgraceful ones?
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
I think it’s Too Loud Thomas or Wonky Whistle
@DuckController
@DuckController 23 күн бұрын
If Edward talk about changes throughout his life it would had work
@magicrailstudios
@magicrailstudios 25 күн бұрын
I think that the worst thing about this episode was that I'm pretty sure it was written with the intent to mock the fandom, who were not in favour of BWBA.
@CakeKingYT
@CakeKingYT 25 күн бұрын
5:13 Marion with The Express 😂💀💀
@TheLocomotiveGuy45
@TheLocomotiveGuy45 25 күн бұрын
Nia Literally told Gordon to suck it up and accept that his friends left But. Gordon isn’t great himself in this episode ether.
@eliseorossiproductions6348
@eliseorossiproductions6348 25 күн бұрын
The fantasy sequence is a perfect representation for the current state of the franchise.
@Nic_2751
@Nic_2751 25 күн бұрын
This episode is honestly less of a problem with Gordon and more so a problem with the fact this episode was made out of spite but that it obvious wasn’t much Brenner but Mattel’s lashing out
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Clearly. It’s not Brenner’s fault this episode sucks. I’m sure he and the other writers had good intentions with BWBA. It’s all Mattel’s fault.
@CTTE06
@CTTE06 25 күн бұрын
And *ANDREW BRENNER* wrote it! Me thinking Mattel were in his way to force Nia in there instead of Edward or Henry for the night shed scene, Henry’s single line of dialogue, Gordon’s Tantrum, AND THE FUCKING (idk what they’re called but basically what you called it “the brain rot sequence). It’s by far the worst BWBA episode outta the entire 3 seasons Also you’re gonna regret getting Twitter. It’s the worst social media platform, and everyone is toxic over a train with a face.
@kevin-2.1
@kevin-2.1 25 күн бұрын
I was surprise too that Andrew wrote this!
@dslade6559
@dslade6559 25 күн бұрын
What else did you expect from him? Brenner hates Gordon for some reason and all episodes he writes with Gordon has him suffering from indignity and disgrace.
@kevin-2.1
@kevin-2.1 25 күн бұрын
@@dslade6559 whoa, I didn’t know until now that Brenner hates Gordon 🤯.
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 25 күн бұрын
Sometimes writers will be credited for a script that was heavily altered.
@thegoattrain
@thegoattrain 25 күн бұрын
"it's toxic they're exhiling pedophiles and racists but they're racists that make videos I like!"
@aquaatem1
@aquaatem1 25 күн бұрын
I think the BWBA team just had something against Gordon, whether it be poor characterization or writing. Looking at it from a lesson angle, this isn't a good episode covering how to handle friends moving away or handling a child who is moving away from friends. Gordon can be pompous and prideful, but he is kindhearted and helpful and we have seen it in the past. The Awdry's knew what they wanted to do with Gordon and in the books showed his progression from a young boastful express engine into a mature engine that could finally accept change. However, it seems like that progression got lost over time do to the show running for so long which caused Gordon to get down graded to a big blue grumpy engine.
@tomytrainguy7975
@tomytrainguy7975 25 күн бұрын
Great video! I think the reason why Henry moved to Vicarstown sheds is because he delivers goods trains to the mainland along with the flying kipper. But the real reason why Edward and Henry were replaced by Nia and Rebecca was because Mattel wanted to fix the gender balance in the steam team even though it was the dumbest decision ever made.
@cadenthethomasexpert1379
@cadenthethomasexpert1379 25 күн бұрын
You Think! I Will NEVER Forgive You Mattel! 🖕🤬🖕
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 25 күн бұрын
Though Ian McCue wanted Henry to stay at Tidmouth Sheds alongside Rebecca originally.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967curse you Mattel!
@Enterprisingexpress02
@Enterprisingexpress02 25 күн бұрын
Gordon is us in this episode, and Mattel is saying that we all are just a bunch of babies throwing tantrums… I hate Bwba so much…
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Mattel ruined any chance of BWBA being good.
@Jeisr4207-bc5ui
@Jeisr4207-bc5ui 20 күн бұрын
@@joshuaW5621 BWBA never had a chance to be good
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 20 күн бұрын
@@Jeisr4207-bc5ui it kinda did. The idea of Thomas travelling around the world and adding more girls to the main cast are both interesting concepts that seemed to have good intentions at first, but I think they could have been done a lot better.
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 25 күн бұрын
It's, possible Henry moved to Vicarstown to have a closer place to sleep after taking The Flying Kipper.
@nicholetheotter1957
@nicholetheotter1957 24 күн бұрын
Not just the Flying Kipper, but probably other heavy goods work too that requires him to frequently go to the Mainland, so he figured that to accommodate the demand, it was best he lives on the eastern side of Sodor in order to be as close to the Mainland, where his work often takes him to. That’s my theory.
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 24 күн бұрын
@@nicholetheotter1957 A Railway Theory!
@spongytitles2704
@spongytitles2704 25 күн бұрын
Can we see the next Emily-centric ep next? (My guess would be Emily’s Adventure)
@anthonycreationsofficial
@anthonycreationsofficial 25 күн бұрын
Yo fellas, let’s agreed my man has been cooking well in these days?!
@Bobsburgers123
@Bobsburgers123 26 күн бұрын
not to make twelve comments, i do think the detail of gordon caring about how edward left and nia replaced him, i mean the only good way i could see this is that gordons irrational fear is being replaced by the next big thing, he depicts nia as the bad guy, the next big thing that took out one of sodors oldest with gordon knowing hes next, and at the end, he sees henry being replaced (again showings hes grown a kinship with both engines) again, now knowing he would be next. as in the cgi canon, gordon was the third engine, henry (2nd) was faulty, making mr fat controller purchase gordon. thats the only way i could see this making sense, but everyone knows a 4 year old wont understand this XD
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
That would be a perfect rewrite for the episode
@BlueTankEngineAndFriends1984
@BlueTankEngineAndFriends1984 26 күн бұрын
At first I didn't like Gordon when I first watched Thomas the tank engine because I thought he was just an asshole who is always rude but over time I got use to him being like this
@jonathanadair6847
@jonathanadair6847 25 күн бұрын
You know how the Unlucky Tug was bewildered at how David Mitton wrote Edward the Very Useful Engine? Well, I’m completely bewildered as to how Andrew Brenner was credited for this absolute disrespectful junk. Me: WHAT DO YOU MEAN ANDREW BRENNER WROTE THIS ONE!?
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Well he also wrote Three Steam Engines Gruff.
@jonathanadair6847
@jonathanadair6847 25 күн бұрын
@@joshuaW5621 True, but that one’s not as egregious as this one.
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 23 күн бұрын
Thomas: Don’t go back, saved you, wonky whistle, or too loud Thomas. Emily: As good as Gordon, Emily knows best, Emily and the special coaches, or any others. Skarloey: Skarloey the brave, wharf and peace, or push me pull you.
@Trickshotter
@Trickshotter 25 күн бұрын
This is might be the worst episode of the entire show, this episode is just a big middle finger to the fans about big changes happening and that they can do nothing to stop it
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 23 күн бұрын
They don’t even make references to how James crashed into the shed
@CTTE06
@CTTE06 19 күн бұрын
4:49 god this scene is so brainrotting i cant
@CakeKingYT
@CakeKingYT 25 күн бұрын
I wonder who’s next! Thomas? Emily? Donald & Douglas?
@angryrailfan4501
@angryrailfan4501 25 күн бұрын
There is another worse Gordon episode. Gordon Gets The Giggles
@HaruDaRabbit
@HaruDaRabbit 25 күн бұрын
i remember making a post on tumblr about it, how basically everyone just called gordon a crybaby over practically losing his friends
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Tbh they’re right. Gordon is a crybaby in this episode.
@HaruDaRabbit
@HaruDaRabbit 24 күн бұрын
​@joshuaW5621 he has every right to be upset, like imagine your two best friends leave and you only see them for 30 seconds a day, and being made fun of because your depressed
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 24 күн бұрын
@@HaruDaRabbit wow. Imagine getting upset because your two best friends moved to other nearby towns and throwing a fit because everything is changing.
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 25 күн бұрын
At least Rebecca helps Gordon got over his problem with this change
@jeremiahsisaias8677
@jeremiahsisaias8677 25 күн бұрын
By roasting Flying Scotsman. 🔥😂
@mee_is_sus
@mee_is_sus 25 күн бұрын
4:50 Bro predicted all engines go 💀
@gilbertmartinez57
@gilbertmartinez57 26 күн бұрын
You should also do Flatbeds of Fear and Saving Time!
@sashathetankengine1970
@sashathetankengine1970 25 күн бұрын
It’s odd that the era during CGI Thomas’ tenure that got Gordon the most correct was the Nitrogen Era… Here are a few examples: In Hero of the Rails, he was more than happy to help with Hiro by bringing him spare parts. When Thomas was a bit goofy and took the express that one time and couldn’t handle it, Gordon was happy to retake the train. In Snow Tracks, after somehow creating a giant snowball and causing Thomas to derail, Gordon feels sorry and helps Thomas by getting Rocky and helping him deliver the firewood. It’s only a few examples, and there are plenty that show Gordon to be rude, but he was treated relatively good.
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
Nitrogen era Gordon is peak CGI Gordon
@jeremiahsisaias8677
@jeremiahsisaias8677 25 күн бұрын
​@@Avery_ProductionsLets not forget in "Up, up and away!" Gordon had braincells to Thomas and Percy when they lose their first 2 balloons.
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967
@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 25 күн бұрын
Even with bad writing involved. If only it continues in the Brenner era with good writing.
@Bobsburgers123
@Bobsburgers123 26 күн бұрын
i find it really interesting on andrew brenner wrote this ep. he either just gave up know how the show was going down hill or it was overhalled by a new team making it bwba - fied
@D10Studios235
@D10Studios235 26 күн бұрын
@@Bobsburgers123 huh, I just noticed that!
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
I think the only 2 bad Gordon episodes are this episode and Gordon gets the giggles which I think is the least amount of bad episodes of any main cast member or at least tied with James. Gordon has some mid episodes such as in S5 or S6 but there not bad compared to these episodes
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Gordon is acting exactly like people who hate BWBA in this episode.
@jeremiahsisaias8677
@jeremiahsisaias8677 24 күн бұрын
He's speaking FACTS.
@terencewilliammckenna6121
@terencewilliammckenna6121 13 күн бұрын
They should also fix the 7-berth shed to 6 berths in the adventure begins
@EwanFanstudios
@EwanFanstudios 26 күн бұрын
I Love Gordon The Big Engine
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
Me Too, but only when he acts like a kind and caring friend towards the other engines.
@kristiancutler6299
@kristiancutler6299 25 күн бұрын
Maybe Skarloey’s worst episode will be next but we all know what his worst episode is.
@cadenthethomasexpert1379
@cadenthethomasexpert1379 25 күн бұрын
Push Me, Pull You. That Episode Is Bull💩
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 25 күн бұрын
I like to imagine that Skarloey and Rheneas have dementia in the HiT model era.
@FormerlyJackLikesTrains
@FormerlyJackLikesTrains 26 күн бұрын
The Worst Thomas Episode is Definitely “Don’t go Back” I think that’s what the episode is called.
@Zombiehunter2_0
@Zombiehunter2_0 26 күн бұрын
If you're talking about the one where Thomas and Diesel race backwards and crash into Mavis, Arry, and Bert, then you're remembering correctly.
@ryanfuller912
@ryanfuller912 26 күн бұрын
Wonky Whistle is
@cadenthethomasexpert1379
@cadenthethomasexpert1379 25 күн бұрын
Both Are
@Tugsboi47
@Tugsboi47 25 күн бұрын
Don’t go back wasn’t that bad compared to wonky whistle and up up and away
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 25 күн бұрын
@@Zombiehunter2_0 So, isn't that technically a Thomas AND Diesel episode? What about the worst Thomas solo episode?
@Ajay11Boy
@Ajay11Boy 26 күн бұрын
this is peak. Also you have discord by chance?
@D10Studios235
@D10Studios235 26 күн бұрын
@@Ajay11Boy yeah
@Ajay11Boy
@Ajay11Boy 25 күн бұрын
@@D10Studios235 mine is mine is _ajay_5 we can discuss about some worst episodes if you like to.
@Ajay11Boy
@Ajay11Boy 25 күн бұрын
​@@D10Studios235whats ur user.
@Ajay11Boy
@Ajay11Boy 24 күн бұрын
​@D10Studios235 My User Is _ajay_5 if you want we can talk about some worst episodes planned?
@Ajay11Boy
@Ajay11Boy 24 күн бұрын
​@@D10Studios235User?
@NitroIndigo
@NitroIndigo 25 күн бұрын
What's up with the audio in this episode? There's so much noise. Are all BWBA episodes like this?
@karenfan010
@karenfan010 25 күн бұрын
hot take that’s probably going to make some people angry but: I think nitrogen gordon is better then brenner gordon.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
If we start calling the Miller era Nitrogen, I feel it also makes sense to call the Brenner era the Arc era (if you want).
@meciomontoya8440
@meciomontoya8440 2 күн бұрын
I hate. Bwba so much it makes the nitrogen era look like the classic series
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 14 күн бұрын
The “confusion and delay” phrase is stupid
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 25 күн бұрын
I actually like Nia
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 25 күн бұрын
Same, but I can definitely see why people hate her and Rebecca. I don't hate on Mary Sue characters, I'm just either okay or, eh about them.
@nicholetheotter1957
@nicholetheotter1957 24 күн бұрын
The problem is that because they were written as Mary Sues introduced for the purpose of being shoehorned for gender balance and pushing a political statement, Nia and Rebecca are without a doubt the most controversial characters in the whole series. If Mattel wanting to cater to the SJWs didn’t influence their introduction, they likely would have had better reception by the fandom.
@mintychustarclan7381
@mintychustarclan7381 25 күн бұрын
I Saw the tantrum scene and I actually found it hilarious. along with Gordon's reactions I've had yet to watch the whole episode
@CakeKingYT
@CakeKingYT 25 күн бұрын
YEEEEES! My FAVOURITE series on this channel! I hate Forever & Ever merely for the fact that Nia just tells Gordon to suck up the changes, and that Henry was written out in the span of, like, what? *1 MINUTE?!* And the *MOST* baffling fact is that this was *SOMEHOW* written by non-other than Andrew Brenner!!!
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
It’s likely Mattel’s fault that the episode sucks so much.
@CakeKingYT
@CakeKingYT 25 күн бұрын
@@joshuaW5621 Yeah true
@nicholetheotter1957
@nicholetheotter1957 24 күн бұрын
More like Brenner being hit with the anvil that is called “Executive Meddling”.
@CakeKingYT
@CakeKingYT 24 күн бұрын
@@nicholetheotter1957 Yeah, he probably had it way different but then Mattel made him change it in the 11th hour
@arthurengine
@arthurengine 25 күн бұрын
At the end in the LEGO scene, I heard Chuck from Budgie the Little Helicopter. But as awful as Forever and Ever was, I wouldn't call it Gordon's worst episode. That dishonour would go to Bust My Buffers.
@Avery_Productions
@Avery_Productions 25 күн бұрын
Bust my buffers has a good scene with Thomas and Gordon though
@arthurengine
@arthurengine 25 күн бұрын
@@Avery_Productions But Salty said "An engine isn't an engine without buffers".
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 25 күн бұрын
@@arthurengine And...? That's it?
@arthurengine
@arthurengine 24 күн бұрын
@@shadowjeremy3083 Duke? Bertram?
@shadowjeremy3083
@shadowjeremy3083 24 күн бұрын
@@arthurengine Ah, I see.
@iaskenti1656
@iaskenti1656 25 күн бұрын
I really do hate the last scene of the episode. Gordon was too stubborn and not actual elegant character in the RWS. However, considering what coming after Brenner's resistance leave, this episode can be the one of the best episodes from Brenner's heart. The captalism and business exploting from the RWS contents started obviously since 2018, but in the behind the scenes, this trend may have started before, maybe in 2014. Brenner shows his anger and his genuine respect to the RWS, he warned what Matel policy team was trying to do.
@Remnant09
@Remnant09 25 күн бұрын
At least the Nitrogen era had respect for its’s characters. Here, Nia is telling Gordon to suck it up and move on. It would have made more sense if Edward or Henry came to do this but nope.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
Well at least BWBA kept Edward and Henry in character.
@duckrails3790
@duckrails3790 25 күн бұрын
We’re not questioning why Gordon has red coaches when you had to guess him?
@tonybusch8771
@tonybusch8771 25 күн бұрын
Guess what really does matter is that, unless we take this whole Mattel company down and out somehow, they’re gonna keep treating Gordon like this until he eventually blows his stack on everything and everyone.
@user-js5zw8tl8n
@user-js5zw8tl8n 25 күн бұрын
I like how your living in a apartment at the sodor trading co. I hope bill and ben don't cause you issues.
@mistermadmachine6311
@mistermadmachine6311 24 күн бұрын
Yeah they put the self insert for Wilbur in the show As much as I hate to say it there was a reason Nia had to leave
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 24 күн бұрын
Imagine what Wilbert would think if he saw Rusty and the Boulder lmao.
@henryfan03
@henryfan03 23 күн бұрын
Forever and Ever is the worst episode period
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 21 күн бұрын
I respectfully disagree. At the very least no one else was out of character in this episode.
@TakealongEdward
@TakealongEdward 25 күн бұрын
Ok the scene where Gordon throws a tantrum was a bit funny but why Gordon just why one of my most favourite characters just why. Oh I know why Mattel thinks the franchise is for babies when it's not!.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
It is technically predominantly aimed at a preschool audience, no offence to fellow Thomas fans, I’m just trying to state facts here.
@TakealongEdward
@TakealongEdward 25 күн бұрын
@@joshuaW5621 Actually... It was created for all ages as the creator made it so everyone could enjoy it then when Hit took over then Mattel brought the franchise they were good from 2013-2017 with movies and episodes until 2018 when it went back down that hill then one day a god f**king awful day in 2020 it... Yeah you know what happened. (What I meant all by this is Mattel didn't understand the franchise)
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 25 күн бұрын
@@TakealongEdward I know Thomas is for everyone, but it’s still mainly aimed at preschoolers. There’s a reason it aired on Nick Jr as early as season 5.
@Bearthediesel
@Bearthediesel 26 күн бұрын
Nice
@supermaily4930
@supermaily4930 25 күн бұрын
Bro and they got rid of Rebecca for all engines go like WHAT WAS THE POINT OF HAVING HER I mean I like Rebecca they could have done something but like come on that's was just a waste of a good cgi model
@thusgordonplot4721
@thusgordonplot4721 25 күн бұрын
I prefer the 6-berthed Tidmouth sheds
@andrewstahle81
@andrewstahle81 16 күн бұрын
What about the worst Thomas spot light episode ever.
@reedbradwahnnatahvera3883
@reedbradwahnnatahvera3883 24 күн бұрын
I can't wait for thomas and emily
@terencewilliammckenna6121
@terencewilliammckenna6121 26 күн бұрын
Mystery on how STH met Nia
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 21 күн бұрын
When he came back offscreen.
@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702
@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702 26 күн бұрын
I thought it was going to be Gordon gets the Giggles but still this one is pretty bad
@D10Studios235
@D10Studios235 26 күн бұрын
@@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702 I had to watch both of these to see which one was worse, Gordon Gets The Giggles is just annoying and listening to Gordon’s VA laugh is kinda funny tbh. But I can see when you come from that episode sucks.
@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702
@sebastianjosephthethomasfa7702 26 күн бұрын
@@D10Studios235 I know but The giggles episode is kinda funny in the US Version also also the reason why I said that was because I heard some people saying that the episode was just Gordon going insane I was on the same level as them but after watching this Video I think I prefer Gordon gets the Giggles then this....
@jeremiahsisaias8677
@jeremiahsisaias8677 25 күн бұрын
​@@D10Studios235Lets agree that Kerry Shale had a fun time voicing Gordon in "Gordon gets the giggles". 😂💙
@meciomontoya8440
@meciomontoya8440 2 күн бұрын
6:12 that line make me hate Nia even more than any other characters and I literally mean any other characters like Billy Charlie the hit era narrow gauge engines Neville Flora Colin Charlie Flynn and yes even the logging logos
@Driftking0311
@Driftking0311 25 күн бұрын
I didn’t expect that Gordon had the worse than Henry, and yea I get why he was upset but like he didn’t have to be a big baby and do other dumb stuff. I think Gordon in the model era did great. Cgi also did good, but not as good as BWBA era.
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