Worst thing as an Admech collector is that Forgeworld literally holds twice as many minis as we have in plastic. Last mini we got was Skitarii Marshal 2 years ago. If they "just" create rules for 40k and convert them to plastic they wouldn't have to bother with another release for years.

I love you Mr Of Battle

Forge World used to be great when I lived in Nottingham, you could go into the store and look through the collection in person and talk to the staff about them, and the whole experience made the cost easier to swallow. I couldnt imagine the frustration of ordering a £200 tank across the globe to have it warped with air bubbles and spend 2 weeks getting a replacement

Always love watching these videos, Jay. I feel you really understand what miniature wargaming is about and this is by far my favorite wargaming channel! I think the decision to make models in resin at Forge World is mostly a supply vs price thing, both for GW and the customer. Injection molding has really high initial costs for detailed, well-engineered molds and only becomes cheap for the customer when produced in high quantities. Resin can be done in small batches and probably almost by hand, so if GW expects a model is not going to sell to the majority of their market because of how niche it is, manufacturing it in resin might actually result in a lower price. Injection molding also requires optimization of every single component for material flow and cooling, while resin allows you to make big solid hunks of miniature and not bother as much with engineering. I've done some design work with injection molded products recently and it's given me a much greater appreciation for the amount of effort GW puts into their miniatures. It is a miracle they can even get their minis manufactured at this level of detail and quality.

The most important part that GW can learn from Gundam is the grade system. They have a number of grades and that ideal would be great for GW and stand against the whole 3d printer. While 3d printer will have an impact, I think too many overestimate how much it will. I have a 200 PG gundam and I do not regret it.

The new channel icon is very nice! Props to the artist!

Years ago having a Forge World model was a way of adding a bit of kudos to your army, having something large and rare was a good way of adding the final touch to the army and the rules were usually pretty powerful. Nowadays I think GW should take over the Forge World models (40k) and add the units to the codexes, they did it in the 5th edition Imperial Guard codex and it really added something fresh and new to the army; people have spent a lot of time and effort into buying and assembling these models but they are barely playable nowadays.

I've never seen a video about a Forge World product that made it seem worth the value. Warped parts, bad mold lines, resin release agent messes. If I'm going to buy resin, why would I pay $1000 for off the shelf when someone could print a bespoke model for a fraction of the price. I think you nailed it when you said that it just doesn't seem fun, and getting a Titan should really be the highest quality kit they make, not the biggest lemon for suckers.

I started building models with gundam, and man nothing compares to building gundams. Seeing the pieces clip together making a bendable arm or leg is really satisfying.

I built and painted a forge world Tau Manta on commission. It was an absolute nightmare to straighten, heat and bend,and shave the parts ready to build. Other parts like all the small cannons I totally rebuilt using brass tubing and brass fishing trace crimps. In the end it came out fantastic but had some of the worst casting I've ever seen and I've built hundreds of resin models from WW1 and WW2 tanks to Warhsmmer etc from manufacturers all over the world.

The bit that pisses me off is that if you ask a GW employee “why does FW use resin?” they’ll say “because plastic sprue manufacturing is really expensive”… which is correct… but that means resin is cheaper… and yet they charge more for resin 😑

Bring back the battle boards. They were so damn cool dude, the crashed thunder hawk is absolutely something I want to buy.

FYI if you take the height of any GW mini and multiply it by 50/127 (ie. shrink it down) and it becomes 1:144 scale just like some of the gundams. The scale of play also shrinks from 1" to 1cm. Your welcome.

I would definitely buy a titan if it was made like a Perfect Grade mobile suit. It would be so much fun to build

making titans into gunpla style kits is a brilliant idea. It would make them take MUCH less time to build, and like you said, would give so many posing options. It would be a win-win!

If they were to do plastic Titans with clear plastic glowy bits, I'd like them to be just plain uncolored plastic. Wash with a fluorescent paint/ink and you can tint the bit however you like! But yeah, as someone who has bought multiple things from Forge World, their stuff is hella expensive that gets more and more obsolete every year.

Bandai's model kits, especially their MG and RG kits, are pretty much the best model kits you can get, hands down. GW could learn A LOT from Bandai... Including how to price their products better. :D

That Sazabi conversion is siiiick.

I remember ogling at the FW sculpting masters they sold - a scaled-up version of an official GW sculpt which they used to then resize and make moulds out of. There was at least a Lizardman Temple Guard and some Space Marine busts available at one point. Stuff like that is what I'd want from Forge World, not some tank conversion kit (tank sold separately) that has rules in yet another book and most likely cannot be run in normal games in stores or events. That's also priced sky-high and lacks quality control over any garage resin-model company that does unique, hand-sculpted large scale models for around half the price.

i’m actually surprised GW hasn’t made most of these already. can you imagine if they made a titan in plastic for half the price? also i have been binging that titan video later so this is a nice follow up.

With the quality of some recasts now, once painted you'd never even know they aren't forgeworld.

The problem with Forgeworld is you don't even get the quality. You're absolutely paying through the nose for these unique stuff, but the quality isn't even there. I get better quality casts out of other resin manufacturers that charge half the price or less. You were spot on when you say Forgeworld almost invented the recast market. For 1/4 the price I get frankly a better product. It even arrives from China faster than it does Nottingham (I'm in the UK). But Forgeworld is also suffering because their principle niche - small runs of niche, high quality models, has a lot of overlap with 3d printing. It's still a workable niche, certainly. But they really need that price and quality to be there to justify it.

I still say that if Forgeworld switched to being in-house manufacturing of plastic minis, it makes sense to keep it around. As such, I think Siocast makes a ton of sense.

I think you've absolutely nailed it here! What a great idea!

FW needs proper QA on their products. The kind of completely warped and partially unusable parts they sometimes send out to customers are unreal, especially considering the cost point. Yes, I know, resin can be heated and re-shaped, but this should not be the norm, especially when I can easily print parts myself, with a better quality than they can provide.

The Joytoy line of 40k dreadnoughts hurts my brain, because they’re larger than a Forgeworld Titan, beautifully painted and even weathered, fully possible, and if you drop one it won’t shatter like glass, which I cannot promise for a Forgeworld Titan. And yet, they retail for < $200. You could have full sized 40K Titans for the price of a Baneblade, but GW has a way of doing things, and apparently only allowing giant versions of 40K models is their way. (I fully expect to see the Knight Titan by Joytoy used everywhere as a Warlord Titan, whenever it begins to exist)

Gotta say, a Servo Skull I can put on my shelf, maybe with light up eyes and stuff would awesome

FW prices should be cut in half by minimum taking considering the quality of the kits. Their quality control is worse than EAs games

Mr of Battles, you are the light of my life

Outstanding ideas. Great video

Fun fact: there are plastic kits made as replicas for fw resin minis. It kind of started with new Titanicus. The Titans are downscaled from 28mm and reworked digitally to fit unto a sprue. The same way would work for the larger 28 mm models. That it is possible was shown off by the new 30K plastic sets sold by... tada: GW. The same yields for AT stuff.. still most of the mechanicum titans could only be bought at FW in resin. Sad but true. The flashes and bubbles on AT size Armiger an Moirax are just a mess.

Man, I know I'm a biased fan. But your vision for where forgeworld should sit in the market if freakin genius. With the forgeworld basilisk being pretty much identical to the GW basilisk, but slightly better ruleswise, forgeworld and GW are stepping on each others toes too much. And the prices for poor quality warped, bubbled resin.... Gundam Titans and full sized chain swords would be a dream come true

Easy, drop all the forge world pricing across the board by 15-20%, they actually use a high quality resin, pre soak and clean off the mold residue from all the parts before their sealed and ready to be shipped. Problem solved.

GW/Forge World need to look to Wargames Atlantic for a good business model. Wargames Atlantic have recently launched Atlantic Digital producing upgrades and trialling new factions or special models. Forge World is big enough to selling STL's and offering a 3d printing service for people who don't have printers. It also means that models will never have to be withdrawn so if you are building an army that is upgraded in the future you will still be able to buy parts for your legacy army.

The real grade gundam line is a perfect example of what forge world could do

Wow right as I wanted some new eob here we are

This is actually brilliant though, I had never really thought about this before but it really does make a lot of sense now that you mention it.

Forge World, pay way too much for warped low quality resin kits. It’s honestly insane how expensive Forge World is considering how good 3D printing is these days, and way cheaper even if you don’t have a printer and buy it from people on eBay or Etsy.

As a gunpla custom builder/painter coming from that to minis; doing a Titan or some vehicles as modern Bandai style units would be really smart. It would be easier to custom color with parts separation. And for kits like the Titans they could get away with Perfect Grade pricing in the range of $200.

Forgeworld, as it is now, is the equivalent of buying a BMW… “Look! I have money to burrrrrrrrn!”

I doubt fw will ever do anything to make them worth buying

Honestly, I think GW/Forgeworld takes kinda pride in the fact, that they can sell absolutely shitty products for a fortune to people completely out of their minds. Selling us better quality at more reasonable prices would just make their balls tickle less.

Off topic, but what model is that on the right at 5:40?

I would love gunpla style for Imperial Knights too. I have a friend who sticky tacks his Gunpla models to bases for Knights proxies.

Honestly, GW has to jump on the bandwagon of utilising home 3D printed bits. They need to recognise that the most valuable thing they hold is an IP. If forgeworld sold some of their little kitbash bits as STLs, a lot more people would go to them direct rather than third parties.

Considering the quality of Citadel plastic minis today, it's shocking that Forge World are still making minis which where a pain in the arse back in the misty past. Resin was always a crap material. It should only ever be used when you don't plan to sell enough that metal or plastic dies become financially viable. The problem is that you then lock yourself into the difficult and time consuming resin casting process which basically ensures you'll never sell enough to warrant going plastic in the future. Imagine how many plactic, poseable, mostly hollow Warhounds they could sell at £500.

I just started collecting Orks to get into the game, and the frequently-competetively-used Grot Tanks and Warboss on War Bike are both locked to Forge World for ridiculous prices. I don't plan to get into tournaments any time soon, but it would be nice to have those available in plastic.

I've been feeling for a while that GW are beginning to wind up Forge World. So many of the minis FW have made are going out of production and not coming back. Likely due to mold breakdown but none are being remade. I'm hoping that with DKoK being put in plastic we get a wider release but I'm not fully hopeful.

Love the Titan sitting on your lap like a toddler lmao

Titan Gundam plastic model kits (gunpla) is a good idea, but honestly only if Bandai does it. The reason gunpla are so great is because Bandai has mastered this craft. If Forge World made them, they might be at least better than resin, but no where near the kinds of kits Bandai makes.

I think the issue with making plastic titans would be the costs of the molding process and the sheer number of sprues required. edit: absolutely yeah I'd love to see FW make full sized props or even just the larger scale items like their old laspistol kit and space marine statue.

If the titans were assembled like a Bandai kit I would actually buy one. Some easier posing and significantly less weight sounds great. They’d save some money compared to Bandai too since they wouldn’t be doing multi color sprues.

Be cool if they leaned into what they did with the primearchs where it’s a playable game piece but it’s more of a diorama

In a world with UV Resin 3D printing being so accessible, there is no reason for overpriced Forgeworld models to exist.

The idea of doing a solid plastic built titan in the style of a bandai gundam kit is just a great idea. The snap fit engineering and the ability to print parts in multiple colors and layers would make the process of building a titan a lot easier and more importantly cheaper. It's hundreds and up to thousands of dollars for titans, but you can get a similar sized and more detailed kits from Bandai and even Kotobukiya for a fraction of the price.

Jay you are spot on! That would be amazing! They could have add-on sets of plasma effects and it would weigh a pound and a half.

I think an aspect to consider is the possibility of quantity sold per kit. If they think something will sell 1/10th the units compared to another item, they prioritize the plastic for the bigger quantity item and let resin cover the smaller ones. Because they charge more for resin, it still makes it worth the effort to print them so they don't have to sell as many units to turn a profit on the sculpt, cast and even packaging. Someone did the math and decided that an item that though cheaper isn't going to be worth selling in plastic didn't mean they shouldn't not sell it at all. This one falls more into a market research scenario for me.

Main problem I have is my local russian recasters do the same quality FW does at 1/6-1/7 the price (shipping included). Both are using resin casting material, but one is better quality than official one, due to smaller production and better quality control.

As a person who started with Gundams and got into Miniature Wargaming within the last year I was shocked by how much more expensive and less impressively engineered GW stuff is.

Way I see it is that unless you are going to a tournament and only Official GW/FW products can be used then you don't HAVE to get the models from those companies. You just get something "like" it. I remember back in 2nd edition that GW encouraged you to scratch build or ideas for customising and these led to many a great Ork Battlewagon converted from an Airfix model tank or something. People want to do this and like doing this. With the rise of 3D printers FW is pricing itself out of business, GW too to some extent because if it's just you and a group of friends who are all into 40k or whatever then you could just agree amongst yourselves what represents what.

Also funny that Gunpla is like a quarter of the price too

100% agree on the revamp for the large models to be more like gundams and props. FW could also easily have turned itself around, at any point imo by making a decent ruleset for their models with GW actively bringing them into the fold, not just the silly side stuff we got from 8th onwards (IE not a side joke) and adapting to 3d printing resin for good, high quality every time while also being able to create hollow parts to reduce weight. Examples for the rulesets. Death Korps - Plastic Krieg would have been a great time for them to revamp their range of krieg models and bring back the fleshed out ruleset keeping them as a unique army. I can bet that a lot of players would have liked this (I would love that). Bring back centaurs, bring back grenadiers, carcass suicide engineers, etc. As it is now, they "claim" they make rules for the models they sell but dont, stuff like twin heavy stubber squads get no rules. Admech - Both imperial and chaos sides could easily have a full ruleset brought forward for their engines from the 30k side. There was rumours/word of a potential actual book, fire of something IIRC but died with its author. Again, massive missed opportunity going back 6-7 years or so to when Admech was added to the tabletop. I would have happily lead a 40k army of robots with crazy mechanics for controlling them akin to the 30k rulesets. This would have been easier when the 2 groups had similar rules like 6th/7th ED, but still can be done. Not to mention the extra potential of "build your own bot" things. Vorax robots, tech-thralls, thallax cohorts.... Solar Auxillia - A cool, interesting looking force. With the addition of Guilliman and the primaris marines, these could have been brought back as a revamp new 40k army with Cawl/Admech resurging ancient weapons for an elite human force, or even be brought in as specialist units for a generic guard army (what guard player wouldnt want a full flamer squad or a squad of guys in power armour and power axes?). This is just going off the basics of the imperial/human side of things, not even touching how they could work on orks, just release a bunch of crazy parts and bitz.

I kitbashed my Canoptek Tomb Sentinel out of beer bottle caps. I was sceptic at first, but now that it's primed and painted, I love it even more than the original! 🤘

GW should contract Bandai to design all their vehicle kits.

I find it funny, I was talking to the manager at my local GW store about 6 months ago. I said the same thing, that GW should make plastic titans! It makes so much sense! He didn't think it was feasible but I definitely think it is.

That is an amazing idea! Here’s to GW listening to your idea.

where can i get that starwars gundam?

I'm slightly surprised but totally stoked that I'm not the only 40k nerd watching this at 6:30am

I'd love to see plastic Titan Crew/Moderati & Princeps to go along with the plastic Titans. And plastic Secutarii and Titan Tech-Priest. Plastic Wraithseer and Repressor kits are also my dream. And plastic Wasp Assault Walker. And plastic Elysian Drop Troops. And plastic Knarloc Riders and Great Knarloc.

these big models should be designed similar to aircraft or ship models that are mostly hollow inside

I really liked looking at all the old forgeworld imperial armour books just because of how they were presented, being like an in-universe history book rather than the ad pamphlets codexes tend to be. It's a shame that with Alan Bligh passing away forgeworld lost a lot of its momentum and are now pretty much just horus heresy pauldron makers..

One of the things that I feel really makes MODELING enjoyable is having higher and lower difficulty kits; on the high end you have multiple sprues just for the engine, which you build in miniature - that kind of thing, in the spirit of what you are asking for (real engineering and God forbid, quality) I think would be a perfect application for Forgeworld - tabletop Leggo Technique

I want this, but with plastic Gal Vorbak, Argel Tal and the Mhagra Gal Contemptor because I LOVE how insane those models look and would love to buy them if they were both much cheaper and not in resin. Although saying that, I will almost definitely get a set of Gal Vorbak in resin at some point

FW is a joke. They have the worst resin on the market and now they don’t deliver. I’ve made a nearly $300 order and they randomly sent an email saying they haven’t sent my order and don’t know when they will send it. Asked in an email for more information two weeks later and still haven’t gotten a reply.

A Bandai Titan in actual 32mm scale would be amazing

Got to say this In the first few seconds thanks to the paint it looked like the warhound was on the shirt And I though a warhound t-shirt would be dope

"Aspect Shrine" or "Sept World" would be fun name ideas for a Bandai-GW Subsidiary/Subcontractor

i was eyeballing a squad of Tyrant Siege Terminators for my Iron Warriors once, but 90€ for a 5 Man Squad is just crazy so i converted them myself for almost half the price. but i would like to some stuff mentioned in the video like Props and stuff or maybe bring back the Busts they used to sell or Statues of famous characters, that would be cool

Maybe you've heard of a little game called Adeptus Titanicus...

Yup, you make a lot of sense.

I agree, focusing on big kits in plastic and as a distribution hub for all non miniature things 40k / AOS sounds like a good purpose for Forgeworld 😁

The idea of a Gundam style titan is amazing and I want it, but you know damn well they'd probably raise the price instead of drop it.

A Titan to an experienced hobbiest is what I imagine Knights are for new hobbiests. At least for me, I painted my first Knights last year. 1 Chaos Knight Desacrator, and a Knight Castellan. Those for me were weeks long projects, intimidating, hard to put together, but ultimately incredibly rewarding, I learned a lot about building models and with it's large armor panels (at least on my Knight Castellan, I was able to brush paint large sections and be a bit messy and actually enjoy the process more than say..... Painting a Cadian or a CSM. But after doing those, I did get the urge to try something even more grand. I did look into TItans, but honestly, I have no desire to work with resin models. If Titans were hollow plastic like the Knight is and CHEAPER than they are right now. I think we would see more Tyranid Biotitans, Warlord Titans, T'au Mantas, and even 30K Primarchs, if not in games, than at least in people's collections. And that would be a beautiful thing.

When Jay says gundam and 40k, imperial Knights comes to my mind

You might want to look at the video maniac did where he kitbashed a Titan and a Gundam model

as someone who collects both gundams and warhammer(aos and 40k) gundam style titans would be cool, would grab a gundam style wraithknight in a heartbeat. If they were at least master grade quality for big things and high grade for dreadnaught sized models that would be a perfect fit in my opinion.

I've always viewed forgeworld exactly like you say it's large lego it's a whole nother hobby in a hobby, can we give them props though they could easily have made forgeworld pay to win but the rules are shockingly bad so there's no pressure to save for a titan to take to competitions to be remotely competitive

Gundam Knights/Titans!?!? Now theres an awesome bloody idea

They stealth removed all the AoS stuff except for demons that work in 40K...

LOL I built a Tau titan out of leftover tank bits and a Bionicle ''skeleton'' as the initial frame from which I built from :P

My understanding is that it costs a phenomenal amount of money to develop and create the tooling and holds in order to mass-produce plastic kits in the quantities that GW puts out and at a level of quality that everybody will be happy with. FW fills a niche in that it creates obscure or boutique models where the sales aren't there to justify the expense mentioned above. Plastic kits are created using injection molds that are crafted from steel blocks by specialised equipment. Capital investment is high, and requires factory floor real estate, but production costs are low so it’s great for high volume models. Resin can be done by people working on a few tables and lead time is shorter, but output is low. The end result is a model which costs less to go from concept to mold, but costs more to purchase as an end product as sales are expected to be far fewer. Add in the fact that a good number of FW miniatures are hand sculpted (such as the Horus Heresy characters), means CAD can't be used to quickly create molds the way it is for modern GW plastic.

I like your idea about making titans like gundams as I’ve never quite liked the style of gundams for some reason but I’ve always wanted to build one. So it would be awesome to build a 40k titan like a gundam.

10000 piece puzzle- the "fun LITTLE things to do in the evenings" 😂

Every time I go on forge world I look at prices and say no way!

The first obvious moment: Forge world makes models that GW does not produce. The second: Forge world makes models that customers buy rarely, so it's not profitable to make plastic molds. But they still want to get a lot of money! How to get money from a small amount of products? Of course rise the prices!

The thing that I find frustrating is that GW will make new models for Underworlds in plastic no problem. Clearly it doesn't really matter that they have to make more injection molds just for a few miniatures.

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Gunpla Knights would be an awesome idea

3D printing is a god send for not having to pay FW prices and getting more reasonable sized minis

Gundam titans!!! 100% onboard with that!