Forging a different sort of Monkey Tool

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Black Bear Forge

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2 ай бұрын

Is a rectangular monkey tool a bad idea?
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@DireWolfForge
@DireWolfForge 2 ай бұрын
That’s a great example of craftsmanship, John. Always a pleasure.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate that
@Vikingwerk
@Vikingwerk 2 ай бұрын
Make a tool to make a tool to do a project, the eternal blacksmithing state!
@stewartwoerle6351
@stewartwoerle6351 2 ай бұрын
Hello John, I came up with almost the same tool, only in reverse. In the centre of 1/2 or 3/4 flat bar make your tenon hole to whatever shape/size required. Bend both sides up 90 deg then squeeze the ends together and weld to form the striking end and you end up with an open sided monkey tool that looks very much like yours…😊
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
Great idea
@MasterOfNone2023
@MasterOfNone2023 2 ай бұрын
That is a great idea. I'll be saving that one for myself
@LarryKidkil
@LarryKidkil 2 ай бұрын
thats a clever use of the press. Its a handy hydraulic vise
@lefterisxalepopoulos4036
@lefterisxalepopoulos4036 2 ай бұрын
I am 60 years old from Greece.And i like your job.Straight and high quality.
@olddawgdreaming5715
@olddawgdreaming5715 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing with us John, that was a good build of that Monkey tool. It was quite interesting to watch. Stay safe and keep up the good videos. Fred.
@erikcourtney1834
@erikcourtney1834 2 ай бұрын
I understand using materials that’s on hand. With that said my approach would have been with a piece of 1.5”sch 80 or 160 pipe. Forged to rectangular shape, then drifted it to final dimension. If any concern with it being made from mild steel then a little hard facing weld around the shoulder would help with that. I am a fabricator welder by trade so maybe I’m more intuitive to fabricate before forging. 🤷🏼‍♂️. Great tool and video John.
@RaymondWKing-dn8wf
@RaymondWKing-dn8wf 11 күн бұрын
Hi John thanks for the interesting Demo!
@wolfsforge2
@wolfsforge2 15 күн бұрын
Always glad to watch your videos.
@GypsyJvan
@GypsyJvan 2 ай бұрын
I have never seen a rectangular monkey tool, either..looks nice !.. thanks.. ..Black Art Forge..
@Smallathe
@Smallathe 2 ай бұрын
Very cool. I think it's faster than milling and broaching or milling a square/rectangular hole. Very cool project and DIY. :)
@doingitoutdoors7083
@doingitoutdoors7083 2 ай бұрын
Loved the video as always. Making the tool to make a tool to make a whatever, is the fun of blacksmithing. Mine are way cruder than yours but they get the job done. Most times anyway.
@waynewilson112
@waynewilson112 2 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video, great to see a tool that’s in someone’s head become a reality 👍🏻 well edited and well put together 👌🏻
@threeriversforge1997
@threeriversforge1997 2 ай бұрын
Very nice design. Like you, I've never seen a rectangular monkey tool. Even square is a hard shape to find! I did make a rectangular monkey tool years ago for a project, but it was nowhere nearly as nice as what you've come up with. I fabricated mine 100%, and from mild steel. It held up well enough, but I think I made a mistake in grinding the welds down completely to give it a nice look. After the hammering was done, I noticed every weld had a hairline crack through it, basically making the tool useless. I could have welded them back up and left the full bead there, but that never happened and now the tool is lost in a pile of stuff somewhere, if I still even have it. Never got around to making a better version, but I might just have to give it a go.
@TalRohan
@TalRohan 2 ай бұрын
Ive been thinking about this for a while, Ive never seen one but that just means Ive not seen all the tools in any one blacksmiths shop, I did consider punching the long slot then punching the end slot while supporting the tool in a vice but honestly with warping etc I think you came up with the best way to do it accurately Cool tool John Thanks for sharing, I'll be looking out for the next video and seeing how it performs
@bigredbeard65
@bigredbeard65 2 ай бұрын
Once again I've gotten my sunday start to the week off on a good note, got to watch another great and informative black bear forge video, thanks John! There are times I wonder why is he doing that? But then it becomes obvious. Thank you for another great video, I'm looking forward to getting to see the new tools in action.
@stevenlisk2468
@stevenlisk2468 2 ай бұрын
Outstanding work
@jsmyrick8066
@jsmyrick8066 2 ай бұрын
Nice unique job! Thanks!
@americanpatriot2979
@americanpatriot2979 2 ай бұрын
Good video John. Like to see you using the tool you just made. 😊
@pjamestx
@pjamestx 2 ай бұрын
Great project, end result was very satisfying, thanks for sharing!!
@lytken
@lytken 2 ай бұрын
again a great video can you please make a video showing what this tool is used for
@MrJamesjustin
@MrJamesjustin 2 ай бұрын
That's a beauty John. Top job
@virtusleather
@virtusleather 2 ай бұрын
Great video John. Lots of different skills there to make that. I suppose a big mill yes would do the same but wheres the fun in that?! 🤪
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@Mucidamascusblades
@Mucidamascusblades 2 ай бұрын
I wish I saw this video last month when I had do make a smaller rectangular monkey tool as well. The way I came out with was drilling a round bar on my lathe to the appropriate size, then heating it up and pressing it under my press. Then I refined the hole with a drift. I bet you can use the same technique without a lathe, under the drill press but the tenon you need to make is a lot bigger than the one I needed so… pretty sure your approach is more appropriate. Thank you for sharing
@kentcostello5286
@kentcostello5286 2 ай бұрын
I love your videos and channel. Because you bring the passed to the present.
@manfoodchannel
@manfoodchannel 2 ай бұрын
thanks nice tool cant wait to see it used
@maknifeandrods7701
@maknifeandrods7701 2 ай бұрын
How did I miss you getting a new gas forge!!! That is beautiful.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
That was last year, here is a video about it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mJyEl5ab28_ed5c.htmlsi=JiTi0EDIhwvJrFdC
@davidlong6173
@davidlong6173 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting teaching video thank you.
@garychaiken808
@garychaiken808 2 ай бұрын
Great job. Thank you 😊
@jessegreywolf
@jessegreywolf 2 ай бұрын
Learning a lot from your vids. Like the straightforward presentation. thanks for sharing
@TheWiseMonkey8888
@TheWiseMonkey8888 2 ай бұрын
Most of the metals and alloys are the same here as there you see :D
@hanowahgames2517
@hanowahgames2517 2 ай бұрын
Really loving ur improvement with your video editing skills. Cant wait to see what u show us this year! * secretly hoping you might redo an old video of making some tongs. Always rewatching as im slowly building up my collection can never go wrong with a refresher. But will say the difference from than to now is certainly Night and Day. - Cheers and thanks for all you do
@normanfrazier6695
@normanfrazier6695 2 ай бұрын
That will get the job done, Awesome
@ChristCenteredIronworks
@ChristCenteredIronworks 2 ай бұрын
Love seeing your process John keep up the great work
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@Bangalangs
@Bangalangs 2 ай бұрын
I’m very interested in seeing how this tool performs. I can’t think of a more straightforward way to make it than the approach that you took. Another excellent video sir.
@TheNotGinger
@TheNotGinger 2 ай бұрын
Hey, John really good video I like the new layout that you did maybe for the future to make it easier on you. Do you more videos like this with less talking? So it's quick and easy for you to get out and then at a later date. Maybe do a sit down, chat the finer details of the project.
@jeanpomerleau8416
@jeanpomerleau8416 2 ай бұрын
using the hydraulic press as a clamp is a great idea! Just wish I had a hydraulic press :)
@larryjones4713
@larryjones4713 2 ай бұрын
Enjoyed the video. Love the monkey tool
@coryofalltrades3568
@coryofalltrades3568 2 ай бұрын
Morning John, curious as to what vise that blue on you used in the video was haven't seen one like that
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
That is a Kanca vise. There is a video about it here - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/la-cirF9qLyclJs.htmlsi=b_UESgVpOvJaU-GU
@coryofalltrades3568
@coryofalltrades3568 2 ай бұрын
@@BlackBearForgeOK, didn't realize it was a post vise from the video.
@kenbartlett3823
@kenbartlett3823 2 ай бұрын
Great video sir
@smash5967
@smash5967 2 ай бұрын
I think i would have built the working end by welding four pieces of flat bar around an appropriately sized mandrel, then welded that to a shank if desired. Using aluminum for the mandrel or steel with paper shims would keep the tool from sticking to it during welding, and open corners provide plenty of weld and therefore strength. You probably could have saved some time by drilling a hole at the end of the slot you sawed in the shank and cutting to the hole rather than opening it up super far to get in there with a die grinder. Both of these suggestions come from my background as a weldor and machinist, not a blacksmith, and I'm sure your way made perfect sense to you.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
Great suggetion
@mikelastname
@mikelastname 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting build - I am surprised my blacksmithing journey has turned more into making tools than doing anything with them beyond an initial test. That's a nice looking table for your portaband - I watched the original one from years ago with your DIY frame - do you have a video about this upgraded one?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
Not an uncommon trend
@bjh4970
@bjh4970 2 ай бұрын
For a portaband frame, I’m loving the Hercules “universal” bandsaw stand from Harbor Freight; it does both horizontal and vertical orientations and has been a game-changer in my small hobbyist shop.
@mikelastname
@mikelastname 2 ай бұрын
​@@bjh4970 Thanks, that looks like something I was about to try and make myself - likely at twice the price and half the utility. I found the one that John is using at Swag offroad, but for all its benefits as a vertical stand, I was keen to find something that let's me also do the more common horizontal mode.
@cthoma17
@cthoma17 2 ай бұрын
Would it work with pipe welded to the bottom instead? Or would it not hold up over time?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
It might work for a while, but I think it wouldn't hold up to long term use
@AdamDeal-KF0PRI
@AdamDeal-KF0PRI 2 ай бұрын
Spurs commercials goes on KZfaq if your a die hard pay the extra money if you can for add free through youtube! im gald i did i got tired of some channels going over an hour just for the video alone and adding a ton of adds inbetween. thanks john for another good video!
@belterglj
@belterglj 2 ай бұрын
Just trying to think how you could do that without welding. Could you punch a slot in the side, drill the end and work both holes to the shape you want?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
I have done a square monkey tool doing something similar
@mikehodges6598
@mikehodges6598 2 ай бұрын
Did you have to make the big punch you used with the Saymak just for this project? And how long did it take the monkey to cool in the vermiculite?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
I already had the punch, things like that seem to collect over the years. I let things cool over night, but I doubt it needed that long. Although I have had axes buried at the end of the day that were still warm the next morning
@jrdudgeon
@jrdudgeon Ай бұрын
Im just 15 and i am trying to start forging, i have a axel and a peice of pto shaft im going to try to make a small specialized anvil do you have any suggestions or advice?
@jrdudgeon
@jrdudgeon Ай бұрын
I might make a video on it sometime in the future
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge Ай бұрын
I would recommend using some cutoffs from that material for test hardening. You'll need to know if it's air hardening, oil hardening or water hardening.
@mrrberger
@mrrberger 2 ай бұрын
Stacked flat bar from a cheap grinder and stick welder. done.
@fozbstudios
@fozbstudios 2 ай бұрын
Can anyone tell me what the hammer is called (not treadle, hand swung, or power), that John used by means of an overhead wheel? Don’t recall seeing one, but I’m not a blacksmith just a fan
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
Thats called a "Fly Press" It doesn't hammer so much as it squeezes. Not as powerful as a hydraulic press, but a very versatile tool.
@stevelambert6404
@stevelambert6404 2 ай бұрын
Where did the name come from or is it just one of those accepted things
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
I really have no idea.
@reigninoel
@reigninoel 2 ай бұрын
Something I have always been curious about is why/how it became known as a "monkey tool". Mr. Switzer/anyone else have any idea?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
I have no idea where the name comes from.
@user-ml3yf7pg7g
@user-ml3yf7pg7g 2 ай бұрын
Great video, John. Unfortunately I don't know what "Monkey Tool" do. Can you show how to use it ?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
A monkey tool is used to square the shoulder on a tenon. You will see this one in use when i do the log rack. One can also be seen in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrZ8ac9_qdSziXU.htmlsi=Lc5ab26iL179k8uN&t=527
@user-ml3yf7pg7g
@user-ml3yf7pg7g 2 ай бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Thank you, John. Great video.
@timocsutube
@timocsutube 2 ай бұрын
Came out ok....cool beans
@deryiousbarzee627
@deryiousbarzee627 2 ай бұрын
Good morning
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 ай бұрын
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