Forgotten Realms Lore - The Dawn War

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Jorphdan

Jorphdan

7 жыл бұрын

Episode 2 - The Dawn War
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@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 4 жыл бұрын
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@dixieflatline9772
@dixieflatline9772 4 жыл бұрын
Dude: I am a creature from before time, call me the wolf spider. Other Dude from before time: What the hell is a wolf or a spider
@ascaban6220
@ascaban6220 10 ай бұрын
Interesting profile pic baha
@RachDarastric2
@RachDarastric2 Ай бұрын
"Oh, um, well, see they are the first two creatures I saw, a wolf and a spider, and I thought, hey wouldn't it be silly if these 2 were combined. So that's how I chose my form."
@smilerat8070
@smilerat8070 5 жыл бұрын
For those interested in the bit about Miska: Miska was Abyssal, o one of the first (but not THE first) made by the Queen of Chaos. It is uncertain if their war made it to Toril, as it ended on Oerth as Pesh. Miska was the second prince of demons, the first slain by the Queen of Chaos to promote Miska whom was her mate at the time. In Miska's absence the Demogorgon, the first abyssal demon made by the Queen of Chaos, took the title of Prince of Demons and opposes the Queen of Chaos. The Vaati, or Wind Dukes, were purely lawful, which is why they opposed the Queen of Chaos, and held an empire spanning many worlds and planes until the war against the Queen of Chaos. She now seeks the object that bound Miska (now known as the rod of seven parts) so thatvshe can free him and restart her war, because ALL demons bowed to Miska and would obey him.
@linguisticallyoversight8685
@linguisticallyoversight8685 7 жыл бұрын
The “demons" or these ones that existed before the gods the confusion you're having is because most of them hail from the far Realm and as such they predate creation they're from a separate Universe more or less
@linguisticallyoversight8685
@linguisticallyoversight8685 7 жыл бұрын
If you ever need help just hit me up man I've been playing D&D since first edition I've read almost every book in The Forgotten Realms series that's came out since the seventies I'm pretty much D&D historian
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@linguisticallyoversight8685
@linguisticallyoversight8685 7 жыл бұрын
Jorphdan there's another KZfaqr who may be able to help too he's pretty knowledgeable his name's the mighty glue stick he's pretty accurate perhaps try contacting ever something work something out with him a collaboration
@adamsloan9616
@adamsloan9616 5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info
@sagesheahan6732
@sagesheahan6732 4 жыл бұрын
The Obyrith came from the reality before the one of that in play when you play DnD. They're not from the far realm. They're all that is left from a dead universe before this one. They're from a different existence and time entirely. The reality they came from, they destroyed. Corrupted and warped it to a point it was destroying itself, and so what is left of them are also the survivors of that dead and entropic cosmos. They make abberations look like kittens.
@JacobYaw
@JacobYaw 7 жыл бұрын
This is FRICKING AWESOME. Thank you SO MUCH for these videos.
@rhyumrose4571
@rhyumrose4571 2 жыл бұрын
On god man, I’ve been binging, thanks for everything , you are much appreciated
@Zacknafin
@Zacknafin 6 жыл бұрын
So much of Blizzard history comes from D&D.... It always made me LoLz when Blizz would put stuff out and I would be like "oh that's D&D Lore..." While my friends would tell me no way... its OG stuff!
@fokus271
@fokus271 11 ай бұрын
I’m here five years later to tell you I was thinking the same thing. Oh that’s old gods, oh that’s the titans, oh that’s the void lords. Lol
@ericmedlock
@ericmedlock 11 ай бұрын
Well both actually pulled heavily from mythology
@BrianDgreat123
@BrianDgreat123 10 ай бұрын
D and D ripped off lotr, lotr ripped off Celtic and Norse mythology. That's how it goes.
@oedipamaas2067
@oedipamaas2067 6 ай бұрын
@@BrianDgreat123 "drew from" sounds better than "ripped off" the latter implies plagiarism
@tbohn10
@tbohn10 6 ай бұрын
​@@BrianDgreat123 'inspired by'
@firetarrasque4667
@firetarrasque4667 6 жыл бұрын
I remember when in 2nd AD&D, The Dawn war was actually the War of Law and Chaos, and Miska was simply the Queen of Chaos's #2.
@Lazorne
@Lazorne 7 жыл бұрын
Lord Ao created the prime material plane for Toril not the other planes or other prime material planes So each overgod rules one pocket universe. Each of those universes are connected to general planes elements .. Abyss and so forth.
@ddillard143
@ddillard143 5 жыл бұрын
@Khashon Haselrig the Lord Ao is never mentioned in Dragonlance. How does he relate to Paladin, Takikiss and Gideon
@chriswilder9719
@chriswilder9719 5 жыл бұрын
Ao is the supreme god of toril. Each material plane has a different supreme god. The oberynth came from a destroyed and twisted universe
@johnnyscifi
@johnnyscifi 5 жыл бұрын
Chris Wilder Ao, the Over-God was only ruler in the crystal sphere of Forgotten Realms, which consists of all the planets in the same solar system as Toril, and the sister solar system that the planet Aber sits in. However, i believe that Ao ceded control of Aber to the Primordials...:p
@baynemacgregor8441
@baynemacgregor8441 4 жыл бұрын
Ao is the local manifestation of Io who sprung from the pre-void void, then created the void that everything else came from. The first crystal sphere they made was the one Council of Wyrms is set in, then they went in to make the rest. That’s why the fate of the multiverse is dependent on player success in Council of Wyrms, as when Io returns there next time if Dragons haven’t learned to properly cooperate Io will undo everything, every plane and every sphere. BTW humans were created to give Dragons an enemy so evil and terrible that they’d have to unite to defend against.
@sakizuyaayame7947
@sakizuyaayame7947 4 жыл бұрын
​@@chriswilder9719 not every prime world hase over-power, some crystal sphere has it some not, toril has ao, krynn high god, greyhawk no overgods, athas no gods at all
@shadowpoet4398
@shadowpoet4398 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, as a loremaster myself this is the BEST CHANNEL I'VE FOUND SO FAR!!! AAAA! I guess IRL I'd be a Bardic Sage subclass... I just love learning lore... World building, etc. It allowed me to cook up a back story for my Pale Mistress character where The Pale, simply put the gray misty stuff of life and death that Ao created, still exists and is the source of power for Pale Masters of her specific tradition. It allowed me to play a Lawful Neutral PM. Love this shit, bro!
@Mocbusters
@Mocbusters 7 жыл бұрын
I have been searching for a video like this forever and i saw it on reddit. i see you going far, so good luck on youtube.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I actually got the idea to make them because I too couldn't find any videos like this. I hope you enjoy them.
@jackhartford521
@jackhartford521 4 жыл бұрын
Hey there nice video on Tharizdun! I am most attached to the lore based on the Gord the Rogue books, although it is very nice to see the legacy of Tharizdun carried on even today!
@_tarrvis758
@_tarrvis758 7 жыл бұрын
Good video series, really enjoying it.
@dugiker
@dugiker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for putting these together. I love your presentation, even if you don’t know everything, the other 95% is well worth it. Thanks!
@WesCordell
@WesCordell 7 жыл бұрын
This is great! My entire homebrew revolves around Tharizdun and I've done countless hours of research to make it cohesive. This is all i was able to find as well. I already have avatars, cults, CRs, everything for Tharizdun campaigns. If you're interested I can provide them. Awesome work! Can't wait to use the lore surrounding the dawn war as well in my homebrew
@crewie94
@crewie94 3 жыл бұрын
It's only home brew until it's shared. You're the Ao of your story. I hope your work is available to see somewhere out there. I'd love to read it after all these years.
@WesCordell
@WesCordell 3 жыл бұрын
@@crewie94 It is! Here are some links: www.reddit.com/r/UnearthedArcana/comments/5hm4u3/avatar_of_tharizdun_my_first_custom_monster_page/ www.dmsguild.com/product/201879/Last-Flickering-Light www.dmsguild.com/product/202266/Armory-of-Tharizdun Hope these are helpful! The avatar seems overpowered but keep in mind it's basically a god. Feel free to take away circle of death to make it more realistic for battle. The adventure last flickering light is straight out of the original campaign I talked about. ENJOY!
@Finnegaust
@Finnegaust 11 күн бұрын
@@WesCordell YOINK
@WesCordell
@WesCordell 9 күн бұрын
@@Finnegaust I actually ended up going way over board and publishing the adventure!! It's called "Last Flickering Light" if you're interested :)
@NanoMayTry
@NanoMayTry 6 жыл бұрын
Man, thank you again for this massive compression of knowledge. I wouldn't know where to start without you.
@baronbeat2210
@baronbeat2210 4 жыл бұрын
The forgotten realms exist in the same “multiverse” as other dungeons and dragons settings. To other worlds already in canon.
@willtb6131
@willtb6131 4 жыл бұрын
Wow so this lore is what just have inspired Matt Mercer in critical role (the Tharizdun part I mean) also SUPER cool video
@theninjab0b
@theninjab0b 5 жыл бұрын
Its a blast watching these! wouldnt have the PH any other way. HAHAHAHA that ending just got me.
@firetarrasque4667
@firetarrasque4667 6 жыл бұрын
I love the IoVKingofTerror fight. I have a different dragon lore, but I kept that fight, with the minor change of Io remained as an entity.
@2bfrankly852
@2bfrankly852 4 жыл бұрын
Just found you, loving this series!
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome! :D
@MastertheGamerpg
@MastertheGamerpg 7 жыл бұрын
Cody from Taking 20 sent me and this was really good. I enjoyed this video. Can't wait to see more.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Hey man thanks! Cody is good people. I think I've heard you on a few episodes of Roll Up and Die? Am I wrong? Either way you're awesome and I'll be checking out your channel today for sure :D
@MastertheGamerpg
@MastertheGamerpg 7 жыл бұрын
They have talked about my old character Brasswick a couple of times but I have never been a guest on it before. Hey I appreciate the kind words.
@jubalhester6799
@jubalhester6799 Жыл бұрын
This series is wonderful! But wanted to let you know that the "cosmic" and planar aspects in these creation myths can be researched through old 'Manual of the Planes' books and Planescape Campaign setting. Planescape includes all of the planes and does an incredible job of giving a glimpse of each plane and some of their origins. These aren't mutually exclusive to Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk or whatever because most D&d campaigns take place in the Prime Material Plane. Each Prime Material Plane has their own origins which is separate from various other planes of existence.
@waldorf2007
@waldorf2007 6 жыл бұрын
I take it the PH wasn't silent in this video.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
apparently not! #EarlyVideoDayz
@dungeonmasteromega
@dungeonmasteromega 6 жыл бұрын
To be more accurate, Lord Ao created and is responsible for the solar system of Realmspace within the crystal sphere that currently holds it. He and potentially countless other over-gods inhabit and oversee solar systems contained within crystal spheres floating within a multi-colored gas called phlogiston. They themselves have a mysterious master (or perhaps masters) that oversees their work, and Ao has a brief conversation with his master at the end of a FR novel.
@maguszeal5818
@maguszeal5818 Жыл бұрын
Ah screw the phlogiston lets just drop the crystal spheres into the astral for no reason and call it a day...
@Wizcraft
@Wizcraft 7 жыл бұрын
Love the Video keep it up
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do! New episodes every wed.
@dantower8268
@dantower8268 6 жыл бұрын
Was he mad though? Can we really judge him by our yard-stick? Maybe Tharizdun knew what he was doing all along.
@Xesh001
@Xesh001 6 жыл бұрын
Is the Tharizdun you mention the same one that destroyed Oerth (the world of Greyhawk) and was imprisoned in the Grey-space crystal sphere (along with entropy)?
@JaminInDarkness
@JaminInDarkness Ай бұрын
I would have sworn this was part of the origin of Greyhawk with references to Tharizdun and the Wind Dukes, but I trust you (and I wouldn't be surprised if some things were reused). Either way, i hadnt heard these characters stories put together quite this way, or completely, before. Thanks! Im oing ro keep listening to this series and liking my way through them.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan Ай бұрын
This is one of my early videos, it highlights a lot of 2e/4e lore. In later 5e books they mention the Wind Dukes fighting demonic hoards as part of the Dawn War.
@JC-qz3jj
@JC-qz3jj 4 жыл бұрын
A peninsula cannot be an island :P Sick videos!
@Winsorvy
@Winsorvy 5 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome. In my character backstory I’m a spawn of Tharizdun. I’m a tiefling sorcerer lol.
@Gabdube
@Gabdube 4 жыл бұрын
Look at it this way: cosmos (orderly creation) is an mote of anomaly within primordial formlesss chaos. The obyriths, and the abyss in general, is primordial chaos' defense mechanism against the intrusion of cosmic creation. The Abyss and demons is basically the primordial formless chaos's immune system tearing a breach into the cosmos, which then needs to be guarded against by cosmos's own immunitary defenses, Baator.
@user-vm9xz4kv9z
@user-vm9xz4kv9z 2 жыл бұрын
The Far Realm has no alignment, it appears to consist of worlds that wouldn't fit together in any rational cosmology Chaos-Law is native to the Great Wheel cosmology and it's one of the axis that give it cohesion as a cosmology The Obyriths come another cosmology, which they destroyed before moving to the Great Wheel
@kainlockley
@kainlockley 4 жыл бұрын
Love the lore! Regarding the Obyriths though; they existed in the formless void (which became the Far Realm once Ao begat the multiverse), being the ancestors to the Qlippoth (quasi-pseudonatural Abyssal denizens far predating the Tanar'ri).
@user-vm9xz4kv9z
@user-vm9xz4kv9z 2 жыл бұрын
Qlippoth are from Pathfinder, D&D has the Obyriths
@kainlockley
@kainlockley 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-vm9xz4kv9z that's right! I forgot that I homebrewed the lore together, since i run 3.5P most times. I have the Qlippoth as the first descendents of the Obyriths, having been supplanted in dominance of the Abyss by the Tana'ri within the last few thousand years. [I also have permanent natural wormholes (Gateways with Permanency) in the Lowerdark, leading to each of the lower planes, leading to a permanent flood of fiends into the deep]
@digunder14
@digunder14 5 жыл бұрын
is probably confusing cuz primordials and the dawn war are apparently 4e stuff that they carried over, 4e is more or less dc new 52 in comparison to 5e, so 4e had it's own separate lore and when they went to 5e they basically took the prior editions and kept what worked and what they wanted from 4e to make 5e, least that is what I have been told
@Jickton
@Jickton 5 жыл бұрын
I knew it! The ph isn't silent!
@kemui696
@kemui696 6 жыл бұрын
about miska the wolf spider. the abyss gets created. the oberinth take as there own. the oberinth create the tin'arrath (aka demon's) as their warped children of their own twisted image to wage war against the gods. demogoron was actually the first. but was seen as inperfect and cast aside. then after several attempts the created miska the wolf spider to be the supreme prince of hell. but he died or was banished or sealed away I cant remember, and Demogorgon came out of exile to take the throne
@knastrarn
@knastrarn 7 жыл бұрын
Nice series! Looking forward for more vids. The meme pics felt a bit out of place though! :P
@donovanboyd6486
@donovanboyd6486 4 жыл бұрын
5:28 the best strategy game ever.
@J0K3R_the_Nerd
@J0K3R_the_Nerd 6 жыл бұрын
You know why all of this part is soo unclear? Because that’s how real mythology happens lol
@TheRedneckGamer1979
@TheRedneckGamer1979 5 жыл бұрын
The obryths are actually beings from an entirely different reality. They came to the D&D universe after they destroyed their own, they then made the abyss or took over the abyss (kind of unclear which)
@loganplourde886
@loganplourde886 6 жыл бұрын
Could you do videos on all the playable races, at least the core ones?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
Like this one? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZtCqaZOrntS4e4E.html
@Jourdan0311
@Jourdan0311 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Like the channel.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Drake_4
@Drake_4 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making it short and simple like potato chips
@andreworders7305
@andreworders7305 Ай бұрын
1:02 I’m pretty sure you’re not missing anything, the lore just contradicts itself in regards to what came first in a lot of places.
@johntheherbalistg8756
@johntheherbalistg8756 4 жыл бұрын
Myska the Wolf Spider was a creation of the Queen of Chaos, second after Demogorgon. I assume that makes him an Abyssal demon
@Daleksaresupreme1
@Daleksaresupreme1 7 жыл бұрын
Tharizdun and the wind Dukes originally came from the Greyhawk setting.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
correct! My earlier videos I discovered a lot of generic D&D lore and not necessarily "forgotten realms" lore. Which is why this sneaked in. Good catch :)
@Millstone1985
@Millstone1985 7 жыл бұрын
A very annoying aspect of the 4e core setting is that it borrows gods from other settings, and then deliberately gives them backstories and traits that are not compatible with their original lore. I didn't truly understand this until I read a certain bit of Dragon #372, page 20. i.imgur.com/VE1rciC.png "The Bane of the core D&D setting is not the same god as the Bane of the Forgotten Realms setting". Similarly, there are two Tharizduns who are not supposed to coexist within the same canon. Yup, not just worlds, but canons. Now, I believe the Tharizdun who occasionally visits Toril is the Tharizdun from Greyhawk, whereas that story about creating the Abyss is from the other Tharizdun. I could be wrong, but I think the Abyss in FR lore, including 4e FR lore, does not owe its existence to such an event.
@samuelaraujomedeiros6682
@samuelaraujomedeiros6682 3 жыл бұрын
TSR while creating Chult: WELCOME TO JURASSIC PARK!
@pariskotomatas2794
@pariskotomatas2794 Жыл бұрын
I am not sure but I believe askarath is the name of the dragon who was cut in half by the primordial and then the one half became Bahamut and the other became Tiamat
@BloodyFaceWantsMilk
@BloodyFaceWantsMilk 4 жыл бұрын
Random question (kinda) does or would lolth have any interest or loyalty to miska? Running a homebrew and one of my players wants to find the rod of seven parts. Me being a noob (we all are) i mistakenly thought lolth and the queen of chaos were the same thing. So long story short theres a drider, a few ettercaps and a mountain full of spiders protecting a piece of the rod. On top of that, an NPC Drow is helping the party defeat the drider "her sister". She was sent by lolth as a test to retrieve the piece. I've been probing the party to suspect she would betray them but in reality she has slowly been converting to eilistraee during her time on the surface. so when the party defeats said drider she would hand the rod piece to them angering lolth which would inevitably lead to her being transformed into a drider herself and a future boss encounter later on. But as ive been reading into it I've realized my mistake and am now trying to figure out a good way to make it work. I know in a homebrew the rules and lore are just guidelines but any advice or ideas would be appreciated.
@user-ze3tq9hf9i
@user-ze3tq9hf9i 4 жыл бұрын
Good video but I'm still confused regarding the first demons. Did they come from the Far Realm or some other plane before creation? I'm lost.
@dr.jackbright9297
@dr.jackbright9297 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that tiamat has a three headed sister with a yellow, purple and orange head
@Kasino80
@Kasino80 6 ай бұрын
Due to inconsistent meet ups in my group (and generel bad manners regarding commitment), the majority of us have decided to scrap the homebrew we're playing in, and go all in on Faerun. It's much easier than waste a bunch of time making up a world, only for people to cancel at the last minute...(yeah, I'm kinda pissed off😂)
@channel_lurker
@channel_lurker Жыл бұрын
These are great, Soon i might even be able too comprehent wtf is going on in these d&d games
@tabithaalphess2115
@tabithaalphess2115 4 жыл бұрын
Part of the reason you're confused about Ao as the creator god is because he's not; Amosdeus and Jazerian are the two creators and Ao likely appeared after the aboleths, which likely came from the Far Realm to the Material Plane shortly after their split. The gods defeated the aboleths, and with the world up for grabs, the primordials and dragons came into being or arose to conquer the planat that used to be the aboleths'. That's my understanding of the early timeline anyway
@bluthammer1442
@bluthammer1442 3 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie. After grinding through a playlist of your vids, the pH is no longer silent
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 3 жыл бұрын
Oh no!
@andreworders7305
@andreworders7305 Ай бұрын
2:13 so the abyss was originally an elemental plane?
@St34mPunkPrivateer
@St34mPunkPrivateer 3 жыл бұрын
what game is that @ 5:37 ?
@nastynate9529
@nastynate9529 7 жыл бұрын
need to get yourself a copy of the 2nd edition campaign setting and volo's guide supplements. The wiki is good but has clearly left many many holes in your story. Read the campaign setting books and lore books and reshoot this. Was a good video I enjoyed it.
@kikedragoon
@kikedragoon 7 жыл бұрын
Also this is exactly like the Points of Light setting lore goes, down to the same gods (according to the SCAG, Tharizdun doesn't exist in the FR). But I also know the 4e FR books included a lot of 4e lore in it, so not sure how this goes.
@kylegraham7380
@kylegraham7380 7 жыл бұрын
The SCAG only covers information pertinent to Faerun, which is only one portion of the Forgotten Realms. So even though the SCAG doesn't mention Tharizdun, that's not to say that other continents in the realms do not know about him.
@madhatterhimself181
@madhatterhimself181 7 жыл бұрын
Tharizdun is known to the Forgotten Realms, he is just not commonly referred to by that name there: Rather, the few followers of Tharizdun mainly follow him under the name of "The Elder Elemental Eye" Which in turn is the "leader" of the Princes of Elemental Evil; Though Toril has had only "minor issues" with these forces.
@Marcel2278
@Marcel2278 4 жыл бұрын
My assumption is the oberiths are cthulu esque old gods that naturally formed in the endless void (well if you know spell jammer lore the void isn't so endless... also it's my belief that the old gods live in the phlogeston, the asteral see between the spheres of existence, and they alway try to break into spheres to distort and destroy spheres).
@mehrunesdagon5846
@mehrunesdagon5846 6 жыл бұрын
What's with the random M2:TW screenshot?
@kal-el702
@kal-el702 5 жыл бұрын
Can someone please answer me this who or what are the primordials and can you still fight them in d&d?
@artaratoryx4077
@artaratoryx4077 5 жыл бұрын
Kal-El 702 they’re basically elementals. Just elemental GODS, as I understand it. So players wouldn’t really fight a primordial, but elementals are somewhat common in dnd
@kevinchristiansen4348
@kevinchristiansen4348 5 жыл бұрын
Basically thariston is a guy who starts out with a business from his parents withdraws and uses it as a threat and primordial are torn apart because of this, then the abyss uses pure souls to clean up the defilement
@johnnyscifi
@johnnyscifi 5 жыл бұрын
This is before Aber and Toril were split into two planets on two different planes? If i remember correctly, this whole Aber-Toril stuff didnt happen, or was revealed in Fourth Edition, right? Im gonna pull the ignorance card, but i remember hearing that fifth edition basically retconned out all the "Aber-Toril" shit...or so i thought
@SpectrumAnalysis
@SpectrumAnalysis 5 жыл бұрын
Mainly confused cos I'm sure I've seen "Eo" or "Ao" spelled at Io, and that confused me cos Io is also a dragon god...are they the same guy?
@dakotastein9499
@dakotastein9499 5 жыл бұрын
yes in some retrospects they are either the same God,or at least similer in position,depending on the the details of which creation story you consult (as there is actually more than one with slight,to moderate differences) as they are both credited with similer and even the same feats (including the creation of the Multiverse).
@LightStreak567
@LightStreak567 7 жыл бұрын
5:15 Actually, Mal Reynolds from Firefly is more Chaotic Good if he were a D&D character.
@misterkelly1000
@misterkelly1000 3 жыл бұрын
The past tense of cleave is "cleft."
@Valdagast
@Valdagast 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of this lore comes from Oerth and Gary Gygax. That's why law = good and chaos = evil.
@victormontano966
@victormontano966 4 жыл бұрын
Vibe check
@SpectatingBystander
@SpectatingBystander 4 жыл бұрын
Well if anyone started building stuff in your empty space you'd be pissed too lol Evil shards for everyone yaaay
@Cdragon06
@Cdragon06 7 жыл бұрын
this history....if it were a stage play against wizard of Oz.....it would be a tough choice which is better.
@andreworders7305
@andreworders7305 Ай бұрын
3:33 isn’t there be a dragon god in itself conflicting with the fact that there are proto-dragons? Dragons evolved from other creatures, but were also created in the image of a deity?
@wrennthewizard144
@wrennthewizard144 5 жыл бұрын
The lady of pain is the manifestation of pain. Are the obereths the manifestation of evil?
@billymiles6870
@billymiles6870 10 ай бұрын
The Queen of Chaos created the Tanare Demons, the first of which was Demogorgon.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 10 ай бұрын
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@chgo-kj7cj
@chgo-kj7cj 4 жыл бұрын
Aren't asgorath and Io the same being? If they are, then how come Io dies in the dawn war, but asgorath lived to cause the tearfall during the age of thunder?
@emoharalampiev1590
@emoharalampiev1590 3 жыл бұрын
Dafuq I can't remember ever watching you, but now after I watched the first 2 episodes of the realms lore I went to sub and turns out I already have...
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome back lol!
@legogandalf5453
@legogandalf5453 5 жыл бұрын
So the dragon got split by an adamantium axe?
@15rockclimber
@15rockclimber 6 жыл бұрын
I thought the Oberyths were from another universe which they had destroyed and which was collapsing so they reached out to the main universe (with the shard) to attempt to leave that dying universe.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
You are correct!
@15rockclimber
@15rockclimber 6 жыл бұрын
Cool, cool. A few years back I had to do a bunch of research as a DM because Tharizdun was going to be my big bad. There are so many random references to him and the Dawn War and all that. But piecing it together was fun.
@ripper1157
@ripper1157 2 жыл бұрын
PhGod phvideo phbro!!
@eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063
@eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063 2 жыл бұрын
I bet there is so much history i do not know ..
@kikedragoon
@kikedragoon 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this series. It's a really great idea, I do have one tip for you, you pause a lot and you take some time to pick up the text while you're searching for the next word. I suggest you write the episode before hand, do a few takes on the speech, and then edit it together to make it more continuous and professional. As a basis, do watch TheManaSource and their MTG Lore Videos, it's pretty much what you're doing but with MTG lore instead of FR. Cheers and goog luck
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I do write them out ahead of time but I also ramble a bit. I'll watch your recommendations thanks :)
@ColdCheese78
@ColdCheese78 7 жыл бұрын
So how did the sun come back after Dendar ate it? Ubtao do it?
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
I believe Selune reignited it from the plane of fire. Once the Primordial threat was taken care of.
@ColdCheese78
@ColdCheese78 7 жыл бұрын
So they caused dendar to regurgitate what was left of the sun and reignite it, or make a new one? I ask bc I'm running a campaign with dendar as the climax
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 7 жыл бұрын
I believe they made a new one. Sources aren't super clear but I did read "re-created" on the wiki. Referencing pg 42 of Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide.
@ColdCheese78
@ColdCheese78 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch man, love the vids. You bring out stuff I haven't been able to find.
@KatFisch
@KatFisch 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope every world of warcraft lore fan can see the parallels here lol
@rickfox4068
@rickfox4068 Жыл бұрын
@Jorphdan - The Oberyth's came from another dying universe. They sent the shard to our universe to act as a beacon.
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan Жыл бұрын
correct!
@Cbutlerification
@Cbutlerification 6 жыл бұрын
In order to better understand this you need to look into Windlords.
@crowfela
@crowfela 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t chult just forgotten realms Australia?
@DemigodoftheSea
@DemigodoftheSea 5 жыл бұрын
So where do the Aboleths that supposedly existed before the gods come into play?
@atlant1anr787
@atlant1anr787 6 жыл бұрын
If you're watching this after the tomb of annhilation was made you know what happened to ubtao
@rodrigobueno8652
@rodrigobueno8652 3 жыл бұрын
Good video in general but i need to ask How much this still canon? Because THE Dawn war in general is a thing of Nethir vale, not FR, (i mean Like the abysm reation story is 100% nethir vale,and 4e, i doubt is the creation myth before it, because Tharizdun not even exist in FR before in 4e, and in 5e it came back to Greyhawk for example..or just the elemental planes being elementa chaos just turned a thing after 4e ,demons being elementals corrupted etc) They tried to retcon a lot of it to FR in 4e, but a lot things contradicts 3e lore and 5e don't help explaining what is now canon and what is not
@PandorasFolly
@PandorasFolly 5 жыл бұрын
Listens carefully, takes notes......I need pins and string
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 5 жыл бұрын
haha!
@PandorasFolly
@PandorasFolly 5 жыл бұрын
@@Jorphdan btw thanks for this series. I'm dming for a bunch of firstish timers and since they are all gamers I figured forgotten realms might be a good place to start. AND Oddly enough even though I've been playing for over a decade I havent really ever played in a FR campaign so thanks again!
@horaciogabrielgiuntonialva4204
@horaciogabrielgiuntonialva4204 3 жыл бұрын
I'd take Cap. Picard as Lawful Good (perhaps even Neutral Good), if you want a real Lawful Neutral I'd put the Sherif Virgil Cole portrayed by Ed Harris in "Appaloosa" and the captain of firefly as Chaotic Neutral (if you want a Neutral good character I'd put Spiderman or The Flash instead) and I wouldn't consider Xenomorphs as no more aligned than "always Neutral" given they are 2 point INT max. aberratios, possibly with the quality to apply their WIS mod. to INT skills and checs pluss their INT penalty (a spetial treit I created to descrive animals with 2 INT points that may look "smarter", such as chips, dolphins, elephants and police dogs) if you want a real Neutral evil Character I'd put the Star Wars Emperor Palpatine. Greetings
@commiec0n721
@commiec0n721 7 жыл бұрын
The Oberiths and the Primordial were probably created by AO's experimentation in his early attempts at creating gods and seeing as those attempts failed and he didn't want to kill either of these experiments(Because I mean, would you kill you child if they didn't turn out how you imagined?). The other planes were probably AO's tries to create a balanced world(like Toril) and when they didn't work out he was like "What the heck, I just leave these here, it's not like they could hurt somebody or anything crazy like that!" This is just my own speculation, not fact, I have no grounds for this information aside from my imagination.
@Sylentmana
@Sylentmana 6 жыл бұрын
So what was Ao doing when all this fighting was going on in his newly created universe? Picking his butt?
@fernandopena9827
@fernandopena9827 4 жыл бұрын
Besto plusplus
@Vildmis
@Vildmis 6 жыл бұрын
You need to read the forgotten realm books :D Time of Troubles aka Avatar series etc. I might have gotten this wrong, but from what i know is that 2 of the gods stole a tablet from AO. AO called all of them into a meeting and asked who did it. No one came forward, so he stripped all the gods of their powers turn them to mortals and threw them down on Toril. Some of the gods died for whatever reason, mortals rose to god status, some gods were ressurected etc. after Mystra died, the spellplague hit (i think it was Cyric's fault), a healing spell could turn deadly, etc. it wasn't safe to use magic anymore. When the war with Many-Arrow started, Tsbrak Xorlorrain wizard was suppose to start "The Darkening", but he was stopped by "some adventures", instead i think it was his Cousin or even Gromph Baenre who made "The Darkening". My lore is a bit rusty, but you should definitely read the forgotten realms books
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
The Avatar series is on my kindle waiting to be read! I just need to finish these birthday present books first! :D
@Vildmis
@Vildmis 6 жыл бұрын
Niiice
@Jorphdan
@Jorphdan 6 жыл бұрын
"What the Hell Did I just Read" by David Wong, and "Summer Knight" By Jim Butcher :)
@Nygaard2
@Nygaard2 3 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that the weakest point about the Forgotten Realms were the gods and its mythology. They should have kept it more simple, IMHO. Still, thanks for making this Jorp(h)dan.
@bohdanvondabelsky5972
@bohdanvondabelsky5972 6 жыл бұрын
Obereth? You mean Aboleth?
@ripper1157
@ripper1157 2 жыл бұрын
ABEER ToREEL? PhGod phvideo phbro!!
@wardrawk
@wardrawk 2 жыл бұрын
I guess today the PH is not silent
@ShadmehR_23
@ShadmehR_23 6 ай бұрын
Bro you askin who is this and how they here.. Well this part is telling us the world is even bigger than AO cuz gods dont want to fight with primordial chaos.. and that Thrazh'dan((spelled wrong?!) they are inspired by HP Lovecraft books Primordial chaos is something beyond our apprehension like they have 4th dimension too(yeah, that much) they're inspired by outer gods from H.P.L books.. and the guy I can't say his name lol, is inspired by The Cthulhu..the great old one(one of many?? where they come from?? Where they went?? what they want?? we have no idea, and that's the scary part) Exactly you have to feel this way that you Felt, like who are they?? AO made them?? They made him?? is anything bigger? I know im 5 years late.. But there was no BG3 and im not from US so never played dnd...
@TheMimiSard
@TheMimiSard 5 жыл бұрын
I think one thing you left out is that with the end of the war between the gods and Primordials, Ao split Abeir Toril into two dimensions, with Abeir the province of the Primordials and Toril that of the gods.
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