Post Office scandal: former boss denies "lying" at inquiry

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The Times and The Sunday Times

The Times and The Sunday Times

Ай бұрын

Former chief operating officer of the Post Office David Miller has denied “lying through my teeth” when he told the inquiry he had not read a damning expert report about the Horizon system.
Sam Stein KC, who represents a number of subpostmasters, asked the witness: “Mr Miller, one of two things arise from that, you’re either lying through your teeth or you’re a complete incompetent - which?”
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@nigelbullock4411
@nigelbullock4411 Ай бұрын
It seems to me that the entire senior management of the Post Office were not actually doing anything for their salaries. They neither read anything, said anything, did anything, spoke to anyone, this guy has got it spot on they are either lying through their back teeth or are uselessly incompetent. Jail time beckons.
@juliemaltby9751
@juliemaltby9751 Ай бұрын
Totally agree
@nigellee9824
@nigellee9824 Ай бұрын
No, because they spent all their working day trying to stuff the shop floor postal workers...yes, I'm an ex postman.
@Sidneyyoungblood75
@Sidneyyoungblood75 Ай бұрын
Typical bureaucrats and political types.
@t.dmytryshyn2615
@t.dmytryshyn2615 Ай бұрын
And yet when the Post Masters and Mistresses when they said they didn't understand why the system wasn't working the PO said too bad you're going to jail. I think the same thing should be done, ignorance is no defense in the law.
@dingopisscreek
@dingopisscreek Ай бұрын
It was all about protecting the reputation of the P.O./Horizon. They were quite prepared to sacrifice anyone to do that. Paula Vennells and the rest never thought this would ever come out, so they lied and covered their tracks as best they could.
@davidallan5671
@davidallan5671 Ай бұрын
As he declares he was not lying through his teeth so he was incompetent, can we claw back his bonuses and stop his large pension?
@eileenpritchard9154
@eileenpritchard9154 Ай бұрын
Jail the liar.
@user-ck8zu9tm1o
@user-ck8zu9tm1o Ай бұрын
I don't see why not I mean, he seemed to agree to a lack of competence so he didn't earn those bonuses it would appear.
@geoffwright9570
@geoffwright9570 Ай бұрын
They're bound to deny any wrong doings because to say anything else is to admit being guilty of corporate misconduct. Which is becoming more apparent as the enquiry goes on.
@blue_jay31
@blue_jay31 Ай бұрын
Yes please !
@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904
@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904 10 күн бұрын
It’s because technically speaking…he’s wearing dentures.
@oghamstone5964
@oghamstone5964 Ай бұрын
I don't recall.. I can't remember...not quite sure what I was doing....but I took my salary and sent innocent people to jail...
@johnboy5736
@johnboy5736 Ай бұрын
I agree with every comment below this, a disgrace to British business. Yes you are lying Yes you are incompetent.
@stuartlawson7977
@stuartlawson7977 Ай бұрын
Lying through thier back teeth. Should be in jail. All of em.
@brianbeck4055
@brianbeck4055 Ай бұрын
Correct, it boils my piss.
@eileenpritchard9154
@eileenpritchard9154 Ай бұрын
​@@brianbeck4055 Mine too.
@kkiwi54
@kkiwi54 Ай бұрын
It's "lying through your teeth", "back teeth" is part of another phrase - fed up to my back teeth - you're welcome 😂
@user-pu5vd4mv5k
@user-pu5vd4mv5k 29 күн бұрын
@@brianbeck4055 mine too
@owstonlad3859
@owstonlad3859 16 күн бұрын
@@eileenpritchard9154 very unladylike 🤨
@kquat7899
@kquat7899 Ай бұрын
Lying about lying.
@edwardhendry2179
@edwardhendry2179 Ай бұрын
Corrupt as usual the management of the Post Office needs to be jailed.
@MM.-qo7pk
@MM.-qo7pk 16 күн бұрын
They all need to be put on a corruption register !
@amandataylor130
@amandataylor130 Ай бұрын
Wow shocking how do these people get highly paid jobs
@paulfranklin8636
@paulfranklin8636 Ай бұрын
They went to the right schools and know the "right" people, we've all worked with them, the ones who never make an error (because they tend to do f*** all) but make themselves look very busy in front of senior managers and so get promoted because they've learnt the tricks.
@colinmiller8361
@colinmiller8361 Ай бұрын
They lie.
@Steve14ps
@Steve14ps Ай бұрын
Freemasons
@ChrisMacG060
@ChrisMacG060 Ай бұрын
They are part of public school/oxbridge, free masons "network" etc.
@seanhaywood4597
@seanhaywood4597 Ай бұрын
they know the right people
@JoelJoel321
@JoelJoel321 Ай бұрын
Lying and incompetence are of course not mutually exclusive.
@steviesteve750
@steviesteve750 Ай бұрын
Absolutely this. It's not two alternatives, it's one conclusion. Lying is a symptom of incompetence.
@richardgiles2484
@richardgiles2484 Ай бұрын
Shameful 😢
@charlesregan9917
@charlesregan9917 Ай бұрын
He is lying
@paulfranklin8636
@paulfranklin8636 Ай бұрын
Lovde that line "you're either lying through your teeth or you're a complete incompetent, which"? and all he could do was say he's not lying...thus proving what many of us had come to think of him after his first few minutes this morning.
@Steve14ps
@Steve14ps Ай бұрын
As they say in a game of chess 'Checkmate', he didn't even see it coming! Incompetence
@johnclarke-vs9qe
@johnclarke-vs9qe Ай бұрын
Did you know all the top brass at the Post Office have false teeth? That's why you should never believe anything they say!
@eamonfire
@eamonfire Ай бұрын
Tired of this bullshit. They're all lying through their arses and need to sacked, with their wages going towards hefty compensation payments.
@neilewart4347
@neilewart4347 Ай бұрын
The government need to start building a new prison to house all those involved. Just watch the majority get away with it . The Establishment always look after themselves
@elfboy29
@elfboy29 Ай бұрын
Problem is they are involved too.
@MrGavinBoyd
@MrGavinBoyd Ай бұрын
Will any of those responsible go to prison?
@GeraldineMulligan
@GeraldineMulligan Ай бұрын
Doubt it.😡
@darrenpotton1875
@darrenpotton1875 Ай бұрын
No
@BLUESKY-zt1nv
@BLUESKY-zt1nv Ай бұрын
Absolutely not ..!!! they will all get massive bonuses for telling lies .
@sphinx1017
@sphinx1017 Ай бұрын
They will get compensation for the trauma of having to attend this enquiry.
@iansmith7369
@iansmith7369 Ай бұрын
When this report is finished I bet we the people won’t be aware of the total outcome
@custossecretus5737
@custossecretus5737 Ай бұрын
I don’t recall anything about the company I’m paid a fortune to run and manage, how I got the job I’ve no idea, how I got away with knowing so little for years is a mystery. 🤔
@Nick-xf5hr
@Nick-xf5hr 28 күн бұрын
Why is he still enjoying his retirement? He should be in jail with his pension suspended.
@MM.-qo7pk
@MM.-qo7pk 16 күн бұрын
Confiscate his pensions, bank accounts , his assets , his passport and jail him
@Jazz-tv4qr
@Jazz-tv4qr Ай бұрын
Sam Stein is amazing!!!!!
@simmybear31
@simmybear31 Ай бұрын
Lying through their teeth - every one of them! Is a pretty accurate assessment in my book 😡😡
@barbra7562
@barbra7562 28 күн бұрын
What a disgraceful state of affairs. Complete and utter incompetence and dishonesty.
@freddycook630
@freddycook630 Ай бұрын
If you threaten these people with prison, I'm sure their memory will come back
@TheSynthnut
@TheSynthnut Ай бұрын
Wow, wish I got paid the sums these people got for being crap at my job. Not sure I would last long before being shown the door though...
@gherkamum
@gherkamum 23 күн бұрын
They know it was all wrong but did nothing, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty
@davidbeacham5680
@davidbeacham5680 Ай бұрын
These guys seem collectively to have very poor very poor memories. Not only that but it appears to indicate that they'd not have a clue about their responsibilities.
@frankiesutherland4277
@frankiesutherland4277 Ай бұрын
Why can’t these people answer a straight question? Lying and prevarication at its worst. They need to be jailed
@A2Z1Two3
@A2Z1Two3 Ай бұрын
The lying toad , contradicted himself several times when asked similar questions 🙄. Good liars need good memories .
@childofthe50s53
@childofthe50s53 29 күн бұрын
Love this Sam Stein.....pushing them into a corner
@fredsmith1970
@fredsmith1970 Ай бұрын
absolutely lying - he did read that report, otherwise he wouldn't have known about, or had a view on, the report being "knocked" or why it was being "knocked"
@TrentRidley
@TrentRidley Ай бұрын
I totally disagree, there's no way this man is either lying or incompetent..... he's quite clearly both.
@johnclarke-vs9qe
@johnclarke-vs9qe Ай бұрын
The level of incompetence is off the scale. The nation as "owner" of the Post Office should have most of the salaries of these people returned "post haste"!!!!
@stevenbusby5702
@stevenbusby5702 Ай бұрын
OMG please put these people in jail.
@billywindsock9597
@billywindsock9597 Ай бұрын
Lying. Should be on trial himself.
@seanhaywood4597
@seanhaywood4597 Ай бұрын
we are constantly told that companys have to pay mega wages and bonuses to attract the talanted people, it a joke
@ChrisMacG060
@ChrisMacG060 Ай бұрын
This bloke should never have been in that job. He's proving and demonstrating he was totally out of his depth and utterly incompetent and had no managerial ability, so what exactly did he do while in that job? Looks like he was claiming money under false pretences at the very least.
@richardjones4142
@richardjones4142 Ай бұрын
Don't be fooled by his plea of incompetence and ignorance. That 's him parroting what his lawyers have insisted he say.
@susanmarch1661
@susanmarch1661 Ай бұрын
They are all just distancing themselves. It's like they are saying, it's ancient history. I've spent my bonuses and I don't care.
@twankzoid
@twankzoid Ай бұрын
Lying through his teeth AND incompetent!
@billwest4570
@billwest4570 Ай бұрын
He is like every high level manager now, never done the job and bloody clueless, relies on underlings, takes all the credits for anything good, then blames them when it goes tits up.
@Kevin-mx1vi
@Kevin-mx1vi Ай бұрын
Another "stuffed shirt" in a well-paid job they're not competent to do. People like this are exactly the reason the post office is a shambles.
@adrianellis4497
@adrianellis4497 Ай бұрын
When will liers be held to account? It should be a criminal offence in any enquiry to lie, and straight to gaol
@KeithyTom
@KeithyTom Ай бұрын
This is why the Korean and Japanese are largely critical of British business acumen. We promote incompetence usually based on private education. Will we never learn?
@joydivider42
@joydivider42 Ай бұрын
liar liar pants on fire...this needs to be in a court of law now with a prosecution team prepared to expose this nonsense infront of a jury
@minuteman4394
@minuteman4394 Ай бұрын
I only had to look at him
@iangillon6981
@iangillon6981 Ай бұрын
same
@wade6094
@wade6094 Ай бұрын
Funny how all the answer's are 'I don't know' or try shifting responsibility onto someone else they should all face the same treatment and sentences the sub post masters went through plus their pensions and bonuses should be used to compensate all those affected by this blatant incompetence
@sailingmrnice
@sailingmrnice 29 күн бұрын
Shocking. And that's an understatement.
@mikejduk
@mikejduk Ай бұрын
The scary factor would be, if any of these senior staff are still in their jobs today! Are they not, at the very least, suspended until this enquiry is completed! Surely, such incompetent bodies can not be left in charge of this business!
@deeestuary
@deeestuary Ай бұрын
Whether he read it or not I’m sure he was fully aware what it was saying about Horizon. It’s difficult not to believe that they knew the truth about horizon and that they knew they were prosecuting innocent people and sending them to jail. The alternative would have to be some mass delusion, probably a bit of both was going on. Personally I’m not interested in revenge and punishment, although they fully deserve it, what I would like to happen is for the people at the post office to tell the truth so we can all understand what was really going on and why. That way the sub post masters would at least get some closure as well as getting adequately compensated.
@Tyrrituil
@Tyrrituil Ай бұрын
I'm not sure it's just incompetence
@andyhilton3359
@andyhilton3359 Ай бұрын
This is one of many people in the post off management that need to face legal charges and face criminal investigation.
@michaeltownsend1719
@michaeltownsend1719 28 күн бұрын
"lying" SO EVIL how do they sleep
@tysonator5433
@tysonator5433 Ай бұрын
So not lying, just incompetence then, well that fits in with the professionalism of most of the staff that worked at the post office ! What really gets me this is all done with my tax money !
@2ag816
@2ag816 Ай бұрын
These lying incompetents, yes both, shame this country! If people from the Post Office management team don’t end up in prison, this country’s shame will be compounded. If you told someone from outside Britain, this story, they just wouldn’t believe you!
@terryloftus3207
@terryloftus3207 Ай бұрын
The best bit is that they ALL awarded themselves massive bonuses,even though THEY have the monopoly.Nothing will get done,they wont have to pay back their salary or bonus,but the govt will STILL go after a guy who gets a few quid when he shouldnt.
@johny5724
@johny5724 Ай бұрын
Unbelievable !!! trying to distance himself away from his role as a "Boss" at the post office
@user-ux4km9uy8v
@user-ux4km9uy8v Ай бұрын
it's unbelievable that we have to listen to these bunch of liars every day when they should be in jail
@Royboy50
@Royboy50 Ай бұрын
How can they be allowed to to get away with this
@KeaneVincent-ws6kk
@KeaneVincent-ws6kk Ай бұрын
To realise how those in charge were so incompetent and selfishly up their own selves that innocent people and their loved oves suffered so much is totally sickening. So sad for those who suffered so unnecessarily.
@steviesteve750
@steviesteve750 Ай бұрын
Lying is a symptom of incompetence. They are not separable.
@peterjackson2625
@peterjackson2625 Ай бұрын
Evasive, like the others.
@andrewh2u
@andrewh2u Ай бұрын
This guy...... such a liar and should be facing multiple perjury charges as a starting point. We need to see two faced lying Post Office executives (seen here) and their lying lawyers and investigators serving jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.
@tullochgorum6323
@tullochgorum6323 Ай бұрын
You are sending dozens of your own employees to jail - an action unprecedented in British history - and when there is a report suggesting that this is a miscarriage of justice you don't deign to read it?? Words fail me...
@zeusgb
@zeusgb Ай бұрын
So basically nobody knows anything, hmmmm.....
@johnwilliams2877
@johnwilliams2877 Ай бұрын
They cant help lying through their teeth. Of course he will deny all knowledge.
@garyh5541
@garyh5541 Ай бұрын
Boycott all Companies this individual works for now! Immediately !!!
@gherkamum
@gherkamum Ай бұрын
They all just lie.......
@askarkeen9390
@askarkeen9390 Ай бұрын
In Britain, any connection between pay and competence is purely accidental.
@raymond3021
@raymond3021 23 күн бұрын
Lying about not lying, is there no end to these criminals doubling down on their lies. They don't even seem to care, any of them!
@Setinmywaysalways
@Setinmywaysalways Ай бұрын
They are now Treating this Inquiry with Total Conrempt.
@orfordwolf5409
@orfordwolf5409 24 күн бұрын
​​Whoever is at fault will get away with it. They will have their scapegoats lined up already.
@kylerb2
@kylerb2 Ай бұрын
Hope his family and friends finally realise what he's been responsible for.
@clarebennett7946
@clarebennett7946 29 күн бұрын
I would like to have asked him " sir, was the report not important enough for you?" Get out of that one.
@b.2221
@b.2221 Ай бұрын
At least the guy is consistent he’s still lying though his teeth 🦷.
@jamesmcclelland4967
@jamesmcclelland4967 Ай бұрын
Crook, Crook, Crook, Crook, Crook!!!! Bankruptcy and Jail! Use ALL of his nett worth to help fund the compensation scheme!!!!
@seancassidy8092
@seancassidy8092 Ай бұрын
best tough questiooning so far keep it up...
@ricokwan7178
@ricokwan7178 Ай бұрын
There are bunches of liars who should be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice for pursuing malicious prosecution. They should also be pursued via civil limbs for damages caused to the Post Office for paying compensations to the sub postmasters.
@damo666
@damo666 Ай бұрын
The inquiry will not have any affect as its not going to go to court and no one from fujistu will get prosecuted. This whole thing is jist to pacify the public
@ianferguson2434
@ianferguson2434 Ай бұрын
Just jail them even if they insist they've done nothing wrong. They took that stance with the post office staff. See how they like a taste of their own medicine
@Scimiter1948
@Scimiter1948 Ай бұрын
It wasn't me it was others, but I am not sure who!
@srmansfield1
@srmansfield1 Ай бұрын
Criminal negligence and corrupt conduct. Why are not the PO executives and those of Fujitsu not been criminal prosecuted?
@giovannisoave9634
@giovannisoave9634 Ай бұрын
It all started with despicable David Miller, who convinced everyone that it was all the fault of the sub postmasters. Why isn't he in prison?
@annepoitrineau5650
@annepoitrineau5650 Ай бұрын
What does this man know????? How was he spending his time if he was not reading reports???
@kevinrussell1319
@kevinrussell1319 Ай бұрын
If this was a court of law it would be over months ago.
@portcullis5622
@portcullis5622 Ай бұрын
A perfect example of The Peter Principle. Most (ambitious) people get promoted beyond their level of competence.
@blue_jay31
@blue_jay31 Ай бұрын
Arrest the man ! 😢
@rachelabbott9393
@rachelabbott9393 Ай бұрын
They are ALL saving their backsides for dire fear of losing their massive salaries! Would any of them get a job in the real world I wonder!
@user-kf5mn5vn3t
@user-kf5mn5vn3t 29 күн бұрын
I have no pity for any of this mob as they had no pity for the people they put through hell and for some SUICIDE.
@seancassidy8092
@seancassidy8092 Ай бұрын
out of body experience...love it hes a liar..not wanting to incriminate himself..lock this guy up..corruption.
@user-hd8fj2mb5p
@user-hd8fj2mb5p Ай бұрын
Nothing to do with him, then? Arrogant and incompetent.
@intervention.07
@intervention.07 Ай бұрын
Our country is finished.
@tonyknight9912
@tonyknight9912 25 күн бұрын
They all have this memory problem, which is really code for I'm avoiding the question !
@alain_de_frothcorn
@alain_de_frothcorn Ай бұрын
They have clearly been briefed to forget their professional reputation and just ask stupid as you can't be locked up for gross stupidity!
@petethorpe9716
@petethorpe9716 26 күн бұрын
Lock him up.
@LeonRamkumar
@LeonRamkumar Ай бұрын
If you're surprised at this level of ineptitude at the highest positions of authority, you'll be horrified to find that this is quite common. A lot of these guys get these positions because of who their family is, where they went to school, and who they know. They fail upwards regularly, and only seldom do they face any kind of consequence for their incompetence.
@robwhitton7399
@robwhitton7399 Ай бұрын
Couldn’t seem less bothered or interested shameful!!
@nigellee9824
@nigellee9824 Ай бұрын
There was two types of people in royal mail, postal delivery people, and management...and management were a completely different animal...
@markherzog9484
@markherzog9484 Ай бұрын
Er….this is about Post Offices not Royal Mail…….
@nigellee9824
@nigellee9824 Ай бұрын
It's the same animal...er...
@nigellee9824
@nigellee9824 Ай бұрын
And when I worked for royal mail 20 years ago it was the same company, and many post office delivery managers were transferred to post office counter management...
@ericlee3421
@ericlee3421 Ай бұрын
Post Office should go
@itellzzz
@itellzzz Ай бұрын
Guilty next. 😊
@clivesweeting4410
@clivesweeting4410 15 күн бұрын
It beggars belief that these people were ever in senior - level positions in the first place , this guy has stated he's not lying but accepts that he's been incompetent . The police should be handling these cases after the inquiry is finished then maybe there can be some justice .
@michaelparker5510
@michaelparker5510 18 күн бұрын
They jailed innocent subpostmasters. I worry they won’t jail these people
@philphil4914
@philphil4914 Ай бұрын
I have boycotted the mail service for many years.
@MM.-qo7pk
@MM.-qo7pk 16 күн бұрын
The gang members are all loosing their minds just to get out of jail !
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