Why Motorcycle Helmets Use this Ancient Buckle

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FortNine

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2 жыл бұрын

Ever wonder why motorbike helmets use double D-rings instead of ordinary buckles? We did. Turns out there's a catastrophically good reason!
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@defaultuser00000
@defaultuser00000 2 жыл бұрын
Love how the safety precautions increase with every buckle break.
@maxon1672
@maxon1672 2 жыл бұрын
Lol yes, the helmet and gloves by the end
@sirmclovin9184
@sirmclovin9184 2 жыл бұрын
Well, there's also more force applied each consecutive break.
@edwardvermillion8807
@edwardvermillion8807 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxon1672 and no other protection... absolute genius... (just assuming cup was installed off camera, because, god knows, if you think you need to protect your head, your head thinks you need to protect those things first.)
@Alex-qq1gm
@Alex-qq1gm 2 жыл бұрын
No sleeves though 🤦
@atlaslee8681
@atlaslee8681 2 жыл бұрын
That second one actually shocked me
@FortNine
@FortNine 2 жыл бұрын
Of all the wild machines I've built, this piece of plywood was probably the most dangerous. 10/10 would ride again. ~RF9
@paxinmorte
@paxinmorte 2 жыл бұрын
You gave that plexiglass a run for it's money. Should've use polycarbonate lol
@alexsystems2001
@alexsystems2001 2 жыл бұрын
What the story with that random half house on the hillside behind you?
@huskypoop4917
@huskypoop4917 2 жыл бұрын
stretch armstrong thought so aswell ;D
@mpstein1976
@mpstein1976 2 жыл бұрын
Reason I was annoyed at shoei for changing to non DD on GT air 2 and got hjc rhpa70
@EthanAdey
@EthanAdey 2 жыл бұрын
“Which was very over engineered”
@theservman
@theservman 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this video a couple of weeks ago. Last week when I was going ready to go out on my bicycle I thought about what you said about the double D-ring closure and how it forces you to adjust your helmet properly every time you put it on. So I checked my own strap and found it was a little looser than it should be. I adjusted it, and found it a little tighter than I'd like, but left it that way. 8 minutes later I was sitting on the side of the road, surrounded by shattered carbon and spitting my teeth into my hand after going face first into the A-pillar of a Hyundai at 30km/h (car came out of a driveway 3-4m ahead of me - I only had time to wince). The fact that you inspired me to adjust my helmet may have contributed to the fact that apart from some dental damage, all I have are a few bruises from this encounter. Thanks!
@midgetman4206
@midgetman4206 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of helmet type did you have? I know that the full face is the best option but god dang do those jet ones look sweet. But their cool factor definitely clashes with thoughts on safety and how eating teeth for lunch doesn't sound very pleasant.
@stedalejandro
@stedalejandro 2 жыл бұрын
This was insane to read, happy you’re still here man
@bigboyhours6473
@bigboyhours6473 2 жыл бұрын
@@midgetman4206 probably a bicycle one
@midgetman4206
@midgetman4206 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigboyhours6473 God dang it... wow... Thanks for that, jesus, man. How did I even miss that?
@TheMilenkata
@TheMilenkata 2 жыл бұрын
What type of helmet? Full face or jet one?
@user-bd1gc6xv1s
@user-bd1gc6xv1s 2 жыл бұрын
actually it is really impressive how much strenght the magnetic ones can tolerate
@Friek555
@Friek555 8 ай бұрын
The strength isn't in the magnets, those are just for easier and quicker alignment
@syrea793
@syrea793 7 ай бұрын
​@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 "Give a man a fish, and he will have a fish". Jamaicans 4:20
@Alex_Vir
@Alex_Vir 6 ай бұрын
​@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 what if I ask for a man to wear womens clothing, will that be given to me?
@Brigand17
@Brigand17 2 ай бұрын
"This account has been terminated for violating KZfaq or Google's Terms of Service." Now Im really curious as to what RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 said.
@cereal-killer4455
@cereal-killer4455 Ай бұрын
@@Brigand17idiotic religious things like the one quoted above
@connorsmith9464
@connorsmith9464 2 жыл бұрын
Really excited for the next "why motorcycles still use this ancient tech" video and it's just about the wheel
@sionvandevelde
@sionvandevelde 2 жыл бұрын
Motorcycles without wheels generally have fewer crashes....
@ivan-1876
@ivan-1876 2 жыл бұрын
wait y'all dont got hover bikes yet?
@barnabyg6808
@barnabyg6808 2 жыл бұрын
You should try the general aviation world. Latest tech is carbs and magnetos, yeah....
@TravisTerrell
@TravisTerrell 2 жыл бұрын
_"For reliability."_ (So reliable, they add an extra magneto just in case, lol.)
@barnabyg6808
@barnabyg6808 2 жыл бұрын
Travis Terrell and make you check them twice before you take off and once again before you shut down at least now that’s reliability !
@daveco1270
@daveco1270 2 жыл бұрын
I liked how with every strap tested Ryan was getting lower to the ground to stay safe....then he finally put a helmet on.
@ebygeorge6450
@ebygeorge6450 2 жыл бұрын
Double d's are metal with that kinda force it could behave like a bullet
@Ritalie
@Ritalie 2 жыл бұрын
That was scary to watch. Yeah you could get hurt bad. It takes serious velocity to burst a hole straight through plexiglass!
@sinuslebastian6366
@sinuslebastian6366 2 жыл бұрын
"Is there something timeless about a set of double D's??" The deadpan delivery of this line LMAO!!
@wdefghjuefhdegtfthtgf1351
@wdefghjuefhdegtfthtgf1351 2 жыл бұрын
It is called a canadian trying to be funny
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 2 жыл бұрын
@@wdefghjuefhdegtfthtgf1351 As a Canadian I can confirm this. We're not known for producing comedians, I can't think of a single Canadian comedian who made it in America.
@davidmiller9485
@davidmiller9485 2 жыл бұрын
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 LOL
@heirofaniu
@heirofaniu 2 жыл бұрын
The line about how the buckle hailing from Rome has something to do with sticks rubbing together was another good one.
@shimjohn
@shimjohn 2 жыл бұрын
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Russell Peters
@crisprapper
@crisprapper 2 жыл бұрын
I'm new to motorbikes and when I went helmet shopping the guys in the store made a point of informing me about the superiority of a DD closure. They mentioned the fact you have to adjust for tightness every time but I'm also now aware they're very much not going to break. Thank you.
@DaroriDerEinzige
@DaroriDerEinzige Жыл бұрын
And now, 10 months later; how often did you not tighten it correctly for the "short rides", for the "I'm only around the corner" Stuff, for the "Yeah, yeah, I just ride down the street"? ;D
@einszwei1226
@einszwei1226 Жыл бұрын
@@DaroriDerEinzigena, bist wohl doch der einzige Trottel, der nen Helm aufzieht und vorsätzlich nicht richtig schließt. Schön blöd
@coastaku1954
@coastaku1954 10 ай бұрын
I don't know how you were able to learn, I never understood the Double D ring so I run a Ratchet strap on my FXR helmet
@justinturner4850
@justinturner4850 2 жыл бұрын
“HEY! Wanna watch a video about D-rings?” NO, that sounds boring AF! “Wanna watch an F9 video about D-rings?” Yes, yes of course, I’m sure it’ll be interesting…
@00grayfox00
@00grayfox00 2 жыл бұрын
Jokes on you, I’m subscribed to how it’s made, technology connections and fortnine. I’d watch video on d rings from any of them.
@zainkhwaja8688
@zainkhwaja8688 2 жыл бұрын
@@00grayfox00 do you know how a heat pump works then :)
@r6singh
@r6singh 2 жыл бұрын
@@zainkhwaja8688 you o
@r6singh
@r6singh 2 жыл бұрын
You have
@r6singh
@r6singh 2 жыл бұрын
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@raywrae
@raywrae 2 жыл бұрын
What I learned from all this is that we should be making helmet straps out of Stretch Armstrong.
@germaness
@germaness 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't like to have my helmet flying a meter above my head like a parashoot being dragged by a boat like in some beaches xD
@HoodlumMedia
@HoodlumMedia 2 жыл бұрын
​@@germaness This image has me weak :D :D
@eramires
@eramires Ай бұрын
@@germaness lmfao bruuuh you murdered me xD xD hahahaha cracked me up :P
@ericstout9137
@ericstout9137 2 жыл бұрын
The best argument for alternatives to the D-rings may be, as you said, protecting motorcyclists from ourselves. How often does a rider neglect to fasten a D-ring strap? Maybe the safest fastener is whichever one that a given rider will fasten every single time they get on their bike.
@x340x
@x340x Жыл бұрын
well the ratchet clip you also have to tighten every time, thats why its so long because you put it in untill the point its tight
@supremeblaster7537
@supremeblaster7537 Жыл бұрын
I am like that, I bought rachet buckles for 2 of my helmets with DD rings and ask my wife to sew and replace it with them
@Notred1775
@Notred1775 Жыл бұрын
idk about you but my head and neck size doesnt vary much. one of the other ideas would've been fine if they were alsp made of metal. the only reason the d survived is because metal
@Luggruff
@Luggruff Жыл бұрын
@@Notred1775 I have a micrometric one, but it is made out of metal. Wonder how big of a difference it makes compared to the plastic ones. It has to be quite significant though.. considering the other is.. plastic.
@JP-xd6fm
@JP-xd6fm Жыл бұрын
@@Luggruff I've just bought a HJC i71 and (my fault) I thought it was a double D and instead is micrometric... I never had this before and I'm considering to returned or change it for another helmet. It's also a plastic one, I don't like it at all...
@kevinsong712
@kevinsong712 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a new helmet and I hate the double D ring. This one video with the fact that you always tighten it every time convinced me.
@tweeds2140
@tweeds2140 2 жыл бұрын
Funny watching them get progressively safer when testing the straps' breaking points.
@SoulDevider
@SoulDevider 2 жыл бұрын
After first strap wondering were his helmet was
@TravisTerrell
@TravisTerrell 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that the point of the video/test?
@twg2118
@twg2118 2 жыл бұрын
@@TravisTerrell think he means the crews PPE
@ostmen_draugr
@ostmen_draugr 2 жыл бұрын
Safer for use, more dangerous for tests
@alan-sk7ky
@alan-sk7ky 2 жыл бұрын
Safer? er not exactly, rings are overkill as are the mag thing and sliding clasp. the point here is they need to be done up right, the rings are more likely to be done up correctly. BUT F9 is trolling us. I'd never go back to the rings, sliding clasp is so convenient to use. Just as easy to snug up as not, rings were always a bit of fiddle especially with a thick tube neck warmer over the top. tearing your head off harder is not what i'd think of as safer tbh.
@AntiParallali
@AntiParallali 2 жыл бұрын
"Is there something timeless about a set of double Ds" -RF9, 2021
@jasonswiatkowski9127
@jasonswiatkowski9127 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Yes, there is!
@Wehra96
@Wehra96 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike most double Ds these aged well.
@mj6463
@mj6463 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wehra96 🤣
@arturomillan
@arturomillan Ай бұрын
I literally laughed out loud.
@Bagasl
@Bagasl Ай бұрын
I'm not native English speaker and I don't understand this joke. Could someone explain it?
@morgantics
@morgantics 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos man. As someone somewhat new to riding but already obsessed.... I am finding all the insight incredibly valuable. Thanks for taking the time!
@kevinroberts2395
@kevinroberts2395 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work as always Ryan. Informative whilst being entertaining.
@gijsscheffer3555
@gijsscheffer3555 2 жыл бұрын
It deserves to be said that ryan's presentation skills are always improving.
@BravoFox27
@BravoFox27 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan is like a Double D ring. It is difficult to improve perfection...😂
@MOTOMINING
@MOTOMINING 2 жыл бұрын
I love how dangerous your safety tests were!
@nuclearwinter21
@nuclearwinter21 2 жыл бұрын
His sacrifice is pure gold. Thanks, Ryan F9!
@bena3341
@bena3341 Жыл бұрын
Lol yea. Test shatters plexiglass.... Continues to wear short sleeves and no gloves.
@WilliamBay
@WilliamBay Жыл бұрын
This video is 7 minutes long. Which is exactly how long it takes an Arai XD4 owner to fasten their double D strap.
@ingvarlnilsson
@ingvarlnilsson 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for interesting videos! I had my first JET-helmet 1968 and it had Double D-rings. Then I have had more modern locking technics. However - few years ago I bought a modern but retro style Jet-helmet with double D-rings. This helmet was used only a few occasions as I prefer integral helmets but this time it was a slow bike and it was sunny weather and the style looked autentic vintage-like. Almost 2 yeras ago I had an accident by driving into the green grassy strip along the road. The speed was 45-50 km/h with my renovated to state as new Husqvarna from 1953... Oh shit I thought - I have been into enduro in the eighties so I'll handle this. Next moment the bike just disappeared from me and I counted 3 full loops in the air, and only a half 4:th loop then I hit the ground on my back. I lost all breathing air but was alive. I got no air to breath so I first checked my fingers - I could feel all of them. I got of my gloves and the fingers opened the double-D-ring lock autonomously.... amzing - this just happened by it self. With full breathing capacity I just laid down there for some minutes. I tried to remember when it was the last time I had a double D-ring helmet. Then I wondered why none of the cars were stopping and check if I was OK. I found that the side of the road was a long and fairly steep slope. I turned around and I saw the shining blue bike several meters above me on the grassy slope. As soon I reached the roadside I got help. But - I am still amazed that the body can learn things and then perform them just by itself!
@RocksNRuts4
@RocksNRuts4 Жыл бұрын
r u sayn muscle memory?
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 2 жыл бұрын
Remember everyone: Boots on, jacket on, gloves on, helmet..... gloves off, helmet on, gloves on. This is what the "double D" means to me, I swear it's every time I stop.
@f308gtb1977
@f308gtb1977 2 жыл бұрын
@Christopher Armstrong yup, finally got a Shoei GT-Air this year, which has a ratchet, and I’m in love.
@M3rVsT4H
@M3rVsT4H 2 жыл бұрын
I've long believed the ability to do up a DD with your gloves on is the mark of an accomplished rider lol. But my latest lid has the ratchet too, and it is pretty awesome to use.
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 2 жыл бұрын
@@M3rVsT4H very conditional on the gloves you wear and how... uhh... squishy your chin or chins are. 😅
@M3rVsT4H
@M3rVsT4H 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameshealy4594 LoL, true. I added a long goatee to the challenge too.
@marcelmuller8166
@marcelmuller8166 2 жыл бұрын
Then either you have shitty gloves or it is winter (very thick gloves).
@beborodner930
@beborodner930 2 жыл бұрын
I do materials testing for a living, and I love the simple, cheap and effective (albeit not accurate, but definitely representative) approach. Great stuff guys!!
@Magic_Toaster
@Magic_Toaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@dustyoldhat *take a long cigarette inhale* "yup, he was definitely stabbed to death with that 1994 special edition barbie"
@nickl2852
@nickl2852 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about how it would be inaccurate due to the increased mechanical advantage as the arms of the jack get closer together, but if anything that just shows that the double d ring is even stronger than the "data" suggests...
@Exiled_Q
@Exiled_Q 2 жыл бұрын
Will always look back fondly on that first week accomplishment of securing the Double D with gloves on. Wouldn’t have it any other way :)
@saurora2085
@saurora2085 2 жыл бұрын
"Is there something timeless about a set of double D's??" The deadpan delivery of this line LMAO!!
@doctersound9630
@doctersound9630 21 күн бұрын
Great work. Thanks again!
@renzlumbao2021
@renzlumbao2021 2 жыл бұрын
And like when he tested waterproof clothing, once again, Ryan is putting his life on the line for our sake
@rickricardu
@rickricardu 2 жыл бұрын
The only place on the internet that makes the real important questions on the motorcycle world. And better: using science to answer them!
@Noadvantage246
@Noadvantage246 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love it, question everything, don't just except old standards because they've been around forever or new tech bc it's new. He really objectively looks into all of it.
@unwrangler11
@unwrangler11 2 жыл бұрын
Everything this guy does is not only entertaining, but really informative.
@actstuntcam
@actstuntcam 2 жыл бұрын
I always try to buy helmets with the D-rings. Sometimes I've been forced to buy another system, when a helmet was too good in other ways to pass up. BUT I always lamented the absence of D-rings. Some people find the D-rings fiddly, but I find it the easiest to deal with - the other systems are fiddly and you have the hassle of trying to adjust the constantly slipping strap adjusters. Weirdly I've noticed D-rings tend to come on the very cheapest helmets AND the most expensive - it's the inbetweeners that insist on putting these other crap buckles on their helmets... Great Vid - Cheers FortNine.
@Hansengineering
@Hansengineering 2 жыл бұрын
I JUST replaced my $40 Bell Qualifier with a year old on clearance Schuberth C3 Lite. It's got that micro metric ratchet, and yeah it's annoying in how it tightens! Theoretically it's faster, but I set it so fully seated is too tight, so I can click it a notch or two tighter before adjusting it again. But just in regular use I can click it too far, have to release it, and click it closed again. Not really faster! But the Schuberth C3 is literally tens of decibels quieter than that Qualifier. hfs, I did not notice how loud it was until I got a bike that wasn't obnoxiously loud itself.
@DomCOuano
@DomCOuano 2 жыл бұрын
that's true! i've noticed that with a lot of products and things that come in a range of quality. And the manufacturers will goof off and "experiment" with their mid-range things. So if both the cheapest AND the most expensive versions share a part, it's probably a decent part.
@Noregret348
@Noregret348 Жыл бұрын
@TimeBucks
@TimeBucks 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for the continued content!
@Ritalie
@Ritalie 2 жыл бұрын
LMFAOOO. First time I've laughed in days. "You've been told. Don't forget to dislike and unsubscribe."
@morellatovar4151
@morellatovar4151 2 жыл бұрын
Bien
@PMitchell106
@PMitchell106 2 жыл бұрын
As he was turning that ratchet and hiding next to the cabinet, I kept thinking "ALL THE GEAR ALL THE TIME, RYAN."
@moistmush3859
@moistmush3859 2 жыл бұрын
Not only have you Been filling my head with classy knowledge. You may save my life. Bro I think I love you.
@johnschlesinger2009
@johnschlesinger2009 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for another great video!
@newtype101
@newtype101 2 жыл бұрын
The maximum effort from the FortNine team as always!
@krazykorean42069
@krazykorean42069 2 жыл бұрын
Breaks plexiglass. Let's do more! *hides by table side * This'll do lol
@thomas316
@thomas316 2 жыл бұрын
I hope he was using an ECE or better helmet. 🧐
@holo6883
@holo6883 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomas316 Haha nope is a DOT
@ThisIsTheInternet
@ThisIsTheInternet 2 жыл бұрын
*uses same plexiglass on progressively more dangerous straps*
@saifcathum3423
@saifcathum3423 2 жыл бұрын
Next time instead of Plexiglass (acrylic) try to get a hold of some Lexan (polycarbonate). Won't shatter like glass.
@yveslegrand9826
@yveslegrand9826 2 жыл бұрын
You made your point of view clear and sensible. Double D are probably a little more efficient and are the only way to go if you want track (in France). But the reasons is more because it is a standard that track emergency people are trained to. As any gear is much better than no gear, any helmet is better than no helmet...whatever the type and locking style. I would like to see what is the resistance of the other end of the strap too. I reckon the strap will break off the shelves well before any strap locking system...
@MRIMan
@MRIMan 11 ай бұрын
According to ECE The retention system test involves placing the helmet’s retention straps under load in tension. For this test the load is progressive; first a load of 22.7 kg (49.9 lb.) is applied for 30 seconds, then it is increased to 136 kg (299.2 lb.) for 120 seconds, with measurement of the stretch or displacement of a fixed point on the retention strap from the apex of the helmet. Some new standards in FMVSS 218 will go into effect in May 2013.
@aTuWitty
@aTuWitty 2 жыл бұрын
All I had running through my head this entire video was the image of Marco Simoncelli's helmet rolling away from him on the track, and how horrified I was to watch that back in 2011. The force of the impact his helmet had to take to come flying off is just unreal, as demonstrated here in this video. Truly a tragedy- RIP Super Sic :(
@stevenvankoutrik992
@stevenvankoutrik992 2 жыл бұрын
thats my go to thing as to why people would prefer a d ring. Either way you will have your head ripped anyway
@brentbradley6711
@brentbradley6711 2 жыл бұрын
the rivits pulled out of it
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess 2 жыл бұрын
Sure if you're a racing rider that might be important. But for everyday riders the strap mechanism is irrelevant, all of them are more than safe I mean if you're 200 mph on public road then maybe you shouldn't have a license to begin with
@aTuWitty
@aTuWitty 2 жыл бұрын
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess oh I see, you weren't talking to me, but Simoncelli was only going about 60-70 mph during that crash.
@aluisious
@aluisious Жыл бұрын
@@aTuWitty his head was hit by another bike. It doesn't matter how fast he was going.
@rileyeld
@rileyeld 2 жыл бұрын
Sad to see Aneesh has left but hope he’s successful with what comes next.
@lobolj53
@lobolj53 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering that. Sucks he's gone.
@ExpeditionaryRanger
@ExpeditionaryRanger 2 жыл бұрын
Is he really gone??
@Rathbone_fan_account
@Rathbone_fan_account 2 жыл бұрын
This is going to negatively impact the channel, I'm afraid. This guy's editing and camera skills were unmatched.
@georgegarcia3182
@georgegarcia3182 2 жыл бұрын
I hope he moved on to something bigger...however RF9 is not small potatoes either.
@29thmarines
@29thmarines 2 жыл бұрын
He left in March of 2021 and is the creative director for a company called Damon motorcycle now.
@yunusemresen2844
@yunusemresen2844 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible videos man, you are one of the best youtubers ever!
@changnoiboi
@changnoiboi 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video mate
@norkloops1759
@norkloops1759 2 жыл бұрын
I like how the approach to safety improves with each test. Like manufacturers should be doing, striving to always improve.
@ioandragulescu6063
@ioandragulescu6063 2 жыл бұрын
if it's shiny, PRable and it sells ... screw improvement. I hate how people these days equate new with better.
@AstoundingAmelia
@AstoundingAmelia 2 жыл бұрын
@@ioandragulescu6063 because most of the time it is, when they release a new phone it's almost always better than before, same with cars, bikes, tech and most everything else
@ioandragulescu6063
@ioandragulescu6063 2 жыл бұрын
@@AstoundingAmelia right and on top of the faster procesing power/memory has a gazilion cameras, a boatlod of "features" like fingerprint sensors and face recognition and a ton of bloatware that most people want removed ... yeah, good analogy. Same with cars and bikes, more electronics and modes that serve little to no purpose, touch surfaces (for cars) that even reviewers hate lately, matrix headlights with auto high beam that blind incoming drivers on anything BUT a straight road and on and on. Prices go up, reliability down and let's not even talk about repairing them... yey progress !!
@XV250
@XV250 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting - I have two helmets, one with the old school D-rings, and one with the sliding ratchet. I prefer the ratchet as quicker and simpler - I had no idea the D-rings might still be a better solution.
@joshwells4629
@joshwells4629 2 жыл бұрын
I've got the slide ratchet on my lid. Find doube Ds annoying. My ratchet is made of metal though. Would be interesting to see how that fairs...
@Sciguy95
@Sciguy95 2 жыл бұрын
@serdy ximi and like he said in the video, the others are destined to not be set properly because people will inevitably make them far too loose
@aaronleverton4221
@aaronleverton4221 2 жыл бұрын
I have same. I have never and will never wear the ratchet on the highway. The D-rings have always felt safer because they pulled tighter every time and there was no quick release.
@sam-ww1wk
@sam-ww1wk 2 жыл бұрын
the only reason you think it takes longer, is because you're needlessly unbuckling the dd buckle. Just slide it to it's stop by pulling the tab. If the strap isn't long enough, it's a design flaw, or you have monster neck and small head.
@hadrianhaine5204
@hadrianhaine5204 2 жыл бұрын
I too have a ratchet fixing helmet. It is easy to sinch tight and is the only system that you can sinch tight and remove with gloves on. How ever this video proves that although you can only fix and remove D-ring helmets with your gloves removed they are safer...
@mdog2143
@mdog2143 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video! Great job!
@georgeroberts442
@georgeroberts442 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I now have a new found appreciation and respect for the good old double D buckle. That will help me stay calm and relieve frustration the next time I forget to buckle my helmet before putting my gloves on.
@peterdeptula3628
@peterdeptula3628 2 жыл бұрын
There's something timeless about ... huge tracts of land.
@PatrolmanDark
@PatrolmanDark 2 жыл бұрын
what, the curtains?
@billybobhammer
@billybobhammer 2 жыл бұрын
But I want to sing...
@huskypoop4917
@huskypoop4917 2 жыл бұрын
you got my note
@Nightdare
@Nightdare 2 жыл бұрын
@@billybobhammer Oh, no, there'll be no singing
@__J_O__
@__J_O__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@huskypoop4917 'Well I got a note"
@MidCoastAdventures
@MidCoastAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely something timeless about a set of double D's 🥰
@tonyb9735
@tonyb9735 2 жыл бұрын
@serdy ximi woosh!
@boatingexplainedwithcapndr8359
@boatingexplainedwithcapndr8359 2 жыл бұрын
Most interesting video I’ve watched in a long time!! Thanks!
@santiagomarizcal675
@santiagomarizcal675 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, amazing content, since always since ive meet your channel... thanks for your work. You do it like you born for it ;D
@emanuelritter4431
@emanuelritter4431 2 жыл бұрын
I dont drive a motorcycle and never plan on doing so, but i enjoy watching the videos just bc Ryan. I would even watch him review different cobblestones
@bransonbasher6534
@bransonbasher6534 2 жыл бұрын
Facts over opinion. Real world tests of the hardware. Grade A work. Thank you
@I_Santos_
@I_Santos_ 2 жыл бұрын
In the end, even if you choose something he didn’t recommend, the fact that he gave clear information let’s you decide exactly what risk you choose.
@ricardoandrade1983
@ricardoandrade1983 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as usual.
@seanwinter644
@seanwinter644 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. I have wondered this for a long time. Great answer. Cheers
@glock19gen3
@glock19gen3 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your content! Full of class, humor, wit, and above all, ACTUAL useful information we can use.
@mememe5231
@mememe5231 2 жыл бұрын
Love the “safety” repositioning and add’ons after each test😅. As always fun informative video!
@evanb479
@evanb479 2 жыл бұрын
another classic /fortnine well done
@CaptainCraigKWMRZ
@CaptainCraigKWMRZ 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent as always 🙂
@mtlsi
@mtlsi 2 жыл бұрын
My helmet has a ratchet connector and I like it due to the ease of use. But I always check that the strap is tight and I agree that this is the most problematic issue on helmet wear. Thx for your insight.
@coastaku1954
@coastaku1954 10 ай бұрын
But it's easy, people who use Double D Rings are so elitist about them...
@helper_bot
@helper_bot 20 күн бұрын
@@coastaku1954/videos is this double d elitist right in this very room right now? this video is just educational, honestly i would trust ratchet with my very own life but i wouldnt do so on a clasp in the end what really matters is that the buckle is on, its fast, easy, and fastened
@amrhamzaabducarim2145
@amrhamzaabducarim2145 2 жыл бұрын
"Don't forget to dislike and unsubscribe." gets 59 dislikes out of 7.4k likes
@coalymoley8396
@coalymoley8396 2 жыл бұрын
Is this a challenge?
@maxwellmark
@maxwellmark 2 жыл бұрын
In order to make a “dislike” most effective, people need to hit that button twice! That’ll send the message 😎
@quillmaurer6563
@quillmaurer6563 2 жыл бұрын
I think he was saying that to the manufacturers of these less-strong buckles. Same to Snell in his previous video.
@julienden4411
@julienden4411 2 жыл бұрын
They forgor
@trbdann2
@trbdann2 2 жыл бұрын
THEY CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO *likes and subscribes*
@EcuadorFreedomBike
@EcuadorFreedomBike 2 жыл бұрын
Great job, once again!
@rishikeshraj1138
@rishikeshraj1138 17 күн бұрын
Love your way of telling things and your knowledge ❤😮
@Atpaw
@Atpaw 2 жыл бұрын
My main concern with Fidlock is that sometimes when the clip connects, it is in a metastable position that *seems* to be done up but it isn't actually seated properly for whatever reason. The moment the strap is tugged, it releases. The potential for a metastable situation is the epitome of Murphy's Law - there's a nonzero chance that if the rider doesn't check that it's done up after hearing the 'click', every time, it might be in that metastable position during a crash. I have a helmet with Fidlock and I've made it a personal habit to always give the strap a tug/wiggle to check that the strap has, in fact, connected itself properly. Sometimes it has not.
@mariodonkartworks
@mariodonkartworks 2 жыл бұрын
Very true
@keaponlaffin6737
@keaponlaffin6737 2 жыл бұрын
You like the word metastable don't you? 😄
@OneManTrail
@OneManTrail 2 жыл бұрын
@@keaponlaffin6737 He’s vocabulary-shaming.
@craigfirman1809
@craigfirman1809 2 жыл бұрын
@@OneManTrail Nah, 'metastable' was just on his one word a day vocab calendar that day
@sdghtjsdcgs
@sdghtjsdcgs 2 жыл бұрын
Someone learned a new word recently.
@joreck
@joreck 2 жыл бұрын
yee! had a feeling another video was coming. thank you for the continued content!
@sardymang
@sardymang 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your work ❤️
@astro61362
@astro61362 2 жыл бұрын
These FortNine vlogs are consistently funny, entertaining and informative.
@markfigueroa1681
@markfigueroa1681 2 жыл бұрын
I like the European/Canadian ratcheting buckle. So easy to get on and off. It was by accident I happened upon it and now I'll never change.
@msvalina007
@msvalina007 2 жыл бұрын
Can this be added to a helmet?
@markfigueroa1681
@markfigueroa1681 2 жыл бұрын
@@msvalina007 don't think so. I bought my first one from Canada then the second from the Netherlands. I'm in the US. Try crhomeburner
@JCrozier1
@JCrozier1 2 жыл бұрын
Another great class by the master, Ryan today. I always learn things I didn't know I needed to learn about. So much fun.
@john19732009
@john19732009 2 жыл бұрын
Always informative, interesting and entertaining
@MegaAlphatron
@MegaAlphatron 2 жыл бұрын
Super enlightening. Thanks a lot
@Noadvantage246
@Noadvantage246 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love it, question everything, don't just except old standards because they've been around forever or new tech bc it's new. He really objectively looks into all of it.
@aaronclark2435
@aaronclark2435 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the Echo Quick release buckle tested this way. It claims to exceed SNELL, DOT & US DOJ safety standards
@minarchisttrucker2775
@minarchisttrucker2775 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanna be able to strap a helmet with gloves on haha
@aaronclark2435
@aaronclark2435 2 жыл бұрын
@@minarchisttrucker2775 I love the echo quick release. Been running it for at least 15 years. Easy to use with gloves. The newer ones can easily be tightened\loosened as well
@aaronclark2435
@aaronclark2435 2 жыл бұрын
@Jessica💋 Sweety Hotgirl - Vlogs exactly! I've run the Echo quick release for Years... Which is why I'd love to see it tested the same way. Especially considering their claims.
@DontWatchProductions
@DontWatchProductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@minarchisttrucker2775"I dunno we just put gas in and go". College girls response to the Fonz when he asks about how they maintain their car.
@TheRealElmoSkateTeam
@TheRealElmoSkateTeam 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronclark2435 that's what I've been running for a few years as well. It held up do far
@Xiph1980
@Xiph1980 2 жыл бұрын
Never had D-ring helmets. Had helmets with a sort-of miniature seat belt lock, and currently one with a fully metal micro-ratchet-style quick release thingamabob. They're awesome! 😁
@hanselemans4237
@hanselemans4237 2 жыл бұрын
All of the "high end" racing helmets I had (Arai/Shoei) have the double D. But thats because these were also used by amateurs and pro's racers and, as stated in the video, the double D's are mandatory all over the world.
@lmaoroflcopter
@lmaoroflcopter 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Previous and current have a seat belt locking mechanism.
@vilkku792
@vilkku792 2 жыл бұрын
I would have definitely wanted to see that seat belt mechanism tested
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess 2 жыл бұрын
@@hanselemans4237 Double d aren't mandatory all over the world. Many helmets have other styles of buckles
@toddwebb7521
@toddwebb7521 Жыл бұрын
I've definitely seen the mini seatbelt style but it's not in this test. Not sure if they are officially stronger than the DD but I'd be interested in seeing as they probably look the most robust of not the DD
@meese1k
@meese1k 2 жыл бұрын
well i love that the most basic is the most strong. also that feeling of strapping up that double d knowing you are rididng cant be beat
@someguyontheinternet7165
@someguyontheinternet7165 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a coffee and F9 on a Sunday morning.
@FRFM00
@FRFM00 2 жыл бұрын
Haha I JUST sat outside with a coffee and smoke, delaying my ride, check phone and this comes up, ahhhh good feeling haha
@camgearmoto2260
@camgearmoto2260 2 жыл бұрын
It's midnight here.
@alelectric2767
@alelectric2767 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Coffee on the deck while watching.
@StormCrow1144
@StormCrow1144 2 жыл бұрын
I love the science! Each time I learn something new on this channel!
@iflipyofareal
@iflipyofareal 2 жыл бұрын
"Convention is not perfection" is my new favourite phrase. Love your videos brother
@skarsik
@skarsik 2 жыл бұрын
I just found this dudes channel since im getting into road bikes. Man he has some good writing and one liners holy smokes.
@yasc_
@yasc_ 2 жыл бұрын
You could've added a ratchet out of metal to the mix, like the ones used on the Shoei GT-Air 2
@DrBernon
@DrBernon 2 жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, it is mandatory in the new European standard. So yea. That would have being nice.
@givemeanaxe
@givemeanaxe 2 жыл бұрын
I did not notice the first watch. But he did in fact use the plastic kind, as opposed to the metal one used on shoei's. Thanks for pointing that out.
@tomekvilmovskiy6547
@tomekvilmovskiy6547 2 жыл бұрын
what do you mean, metal? that serrated part that broke in video - it's always metal. Never seen a helmet with a plastic one, though I never had a premium helmet, all of mine were 100-200 usd. red releasing part is plastic, but it's not one that failed
@yasc_
@yasc_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomekvilmovskiy6547 if you rewatch the video you will notice that the part that failed is out of plastic. Most budget helmets and even some premium ones use these plastic ratchets
@tomekvilmovskiy6547
@tomekvilmovskiy6547 2 жыл бұрын
@@yasc_ rewatched a few times: I see that the long metal buckle is broken. It could damage any plastic parts around after was broken itself, but for sure, broken plastic is unable to damage the metal buckle. So i made a conclusion, metal failed first.
@user-yv1ox3mb5o
@user-yv1ox3mb5o 2 жыл бұрын
You know what? Since I am not a motorcycle gear manufacturer, I will remain subscribed and even hit the like button! And what you gonna do about it, Ryan?
@thomashussey5159
@thomashussey5159 2 жыл бұрын
Great job guys.
@jamesnurgle6368
@jamesnurgle6368 2 жыл бұрын
glad to see the camera taking proper precautions
@LynamUp10
@LynamUp10 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant! Thank you for your civil service to ALL riders. You served up an ace, let’s see how the manufacturers respond…
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess 2 жыл бұрын
What a stupid comment 🤣
@noirceur_
@noirceur_ 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan F9: "...or are double D's just too classic?" Ryan F9: *looks at the camera and smirks* 🤣
@creepingjesus5106
@creepingjesus5106 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and where are his hands...?
@christianjohnsen105
@christianjohnsen105 2 жыл бұрын
i can't belive the production on your videos, it's insane
@ssnugy9508
@ssnugy9508 7 ай бұрын
man i love your videos
@richardsteele6776
@richardsteele6776 2 жыл бұрын
I had a mini seatbelt type of helmet latch before. If I wasn’t paying attention it would pinch me when clicking it. It’s double Ds for me. They work best.
@jeffmartin1203
@jeffmartin1203 2 жыл бұрын
I was just looking for a new helmet with a ratchet strap last week. Man, I'm glad I saw this video - thanks F9!
@stevenvankoutrik992
@stevenvankoutrik992 2 жыл бұрын
why, you will still get your head ripped off, ala marco simoncelli
@Lukiel666
@Lukiel666 2 жыл бұрын
Those DD rings are also on the safety helmet I wear for horseback riding. That reminds me, the leather paddock boots I wear for English riding are also my motorcycle footwear of choice. Usually with a pair of half chaps.
@stephenphillip5656
@stephenphillip5656 2 жыл бұрын
As a long-time motorcyclist, this came as a surprise. A racing scooter friend of mine (has a Lambretta which tops out at 100mph {160kph}) told me that the scrutineers will instantly reject any rider whose helmet doesn't have a double "D" fastening. I thought it was because the DD was easier to release if the rider was spark-out on the floor after an accident but *NO,* it's because the DD is stronger than the webbing. The things I didn't know I didn't know.... Thank you for risking life and limb for us & bringing it to our attention.
@Timmymtd
@Timmymtd 2 жыл бұрын
God damn I love this channel. I don’t even ride anymore but I just can’t stop
@ElementofKindness
@ElementofKindness 2 жыл бұрын
I feel I should point out that, while ultimately proving what is to be expected, that the test measuring procedure is flawed. Using a torque wrench on the jack to obtain your values will not be consistent unless every failure occurs at exactly the same height of the jack extension. Due to the geometry of the scissor jack, the further it is extended, the less torque is required to be applied to the drive screw. The data might be able to be corrected by measuring the height of the jack at failure, in addition to the torque value on the screw, and extrapolate the data across the Jack's geometry mechanical advantage curve.
@mgkleym
@mgkleym 2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day all that really matters is did the buckle break before the strap. Its really a pass fail test.
@RaghavSatya
@RaghavSatya 2 жыл бұрын
I was also wondering why he didn't reset the jack for each test.
@ww-pw6di
@ww-pw6di 2 жыл бұрын
@@mgkleym Except this time the day didn't necessarily end. It probably did, but due to flawed testing methodology we don't know. What it did show fairly definitively though is that the dick clip is a terrible option.
@chrisdavidson911
@chrisdavidson911 2 жыл бұрын
@@RaghavSatya The jacks are in very similar positions before tightening started, and the straps look similarly identical as far as initial fitment is concerned. Any difference with this is ultimately negligible
@Blinkubus
@Blinkubus 2 жыл бұрын
@@RaghavSatya I believe they did reset it, but they didn't show it from the lowest position for every buckle because it would take too long for some of them. Since the buckles happened to have progressively more resistance, it kinda looked like they've started from where the previous buckle snapped off.
@jreynol100
@jreynol100 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making unique content
@william2532
@william2532 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I bought a Smith mainline fullface mtb helmet a couple days ago, happy it comes with d rings.
@Valks-22
@Valks-22 2 жыл бұрын
Arguably, and as mentioned, for the DD strap break you're already dead or decapitated. I wouldn't use the plastic 'Dicky' on a motorcycle helmet but the ratchet is by far my favorite. It can be adjusted near perfect and due to the teeth it has some space to adjust automatically if you put on some underchins. More importantly, it can easily be operated with gloves and takes a second to do/undo. This part being important when using your bike for daily errands with constant on and off. The best example I can think off the most prevalent and careless riders - city food deliveries that boomed due to Rona. If their helmet is tightened it's a ratched, while DD's are usually just flapping in the wind. When shopping for helmets I actively avoid DD system. I would consider the German overengineered one too.
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 2 жыл бұрын
If the strap is long enough you don't have to fully open it to take off the helmet and just pull it to tighten it.
@anonym3017
@anonym3017 2 жыл бұрын
@Capt Shiny 1. The relevant metric is when your neck snaps and not when you get decapitated. 2. The amount of force required to snap someones neck varies from person to person. So I’d rather have the strap fail before anyones neck could snap as I don’t know when my own neck will snap.
@EnergyXyz
@EnergyXyz 2 жыл бұрын
@@XtreeM_FaiL exactly. That's the beauty of it. It's a lot quicker than other systems, many people just don't know that.
@korvoth4269
@korvoth4269 2 жыл бұрын
Problem with all the others...they can be released in the crash without actually failing. A good hit to the head..and a slight twist can have a jacket coller release a ratchet... I know this from experience. You ride you...you decide your risk. DD ftw in my book. Ill use nothing else. Id rather lose a few seconds of my life securing my lid than lose the rest of my life being impatient.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 2 жыл бұрын
Idiotic comment. Kudos.
@HavasiP
@HavasiP 2 жыл бұрын
Double D is by far the most comfortable strap. Perfectly adjusted every ride.
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 2 жыл бұрын
.....awwwww...but that is sooooo much work.......said no one concerned with survival
@Miata822
@Miata822 2 жыл бұрын
A nice comfy helmet with a comfy strap is a poor fit. I wish Ryan @FortNine would do a video on proper helmet fitment.
@craigfowler4488
@craigfowler4488 2 жыл бұрын
Does your double chin change shape so often?
@JohnRob98
@JohnRob98 2 жыл бұрын
@@Miata822 Agreed; people don’t talk about it enough. He mentioned something about snug-fitting helmets being comforting at higher speeds in a helmet review a while back, but if memory serves, the comment was more about the fit feeling safer, rather than actually being safer.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 2 жыл бұрын
@@Miata822 Sorry, but I can't ride a god damn lick with a migraine from the helmet... Maybe I'm missing something, but a proper fit to the head-gear DOES actually feel better (to me at least) than a poor fit. I'm just not sure what the hell you're smoking... Though I will agree, "Proper helmet fitment" is a great subject that not enough people ever talk about... AND I'm the kind of guy who "road-trips" for upwards of two days on the saddle before he takes a night to "camp out"... whether hotel or tent. ;o)
@stephenkeen6044
@stephenkeen6044 2 жыл бұрын
There is one downside to the double D-ring buckle. The strap is dragged over metal edges every time you engage and disengage it, so strap wear is a factor. Good to know it holds so well, though.
@flippy66
@flippy66 Жыл бұрын
It's really not, there's very little friction because those edges are not sharp (for obvious reasons). Maybe if you used it 40 times a day every day for 40 years it might be a factor.
@sudowoodo8919
@sudowoodo8919 11 ай бұрын
Yep, I had one of these for 2 years and the wear was minimal
@stephenkeen6044
@stephenkeen6044 11 ай бұрын
@@flippy66 Perhaps the ones I've encountered were poorly made / poor quality examples. Good to know, thank you.
@stephenkeen6044
@stephenkeen6044 11 ай бұрын
@@sudowoodo8919 Thank you for correcting my position on this, very good to know.
@Nina-cd2eh
@Nina-cd2eh 10 ай бұрын
The straps tend to be high quality even on cheap helmets pretty consistently at this point. I've only seen that be an issue in some very cheap bicycle helmets.
@michaelmorgan5714
@michaelmorgan5714 2 жыл бұрын
I really like these videos you provide great entertainment with worth wile facts. and you don't waist time doing all this. Thank you once again.
@MotoFamMayhem
@MotoFamMayhem 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you just put out this video... I have a backward facing GoPro on my daughter's motorcycle and she just got in an accident and you can see where the helmet strap clearly held the helmet on her head as she was flying through the air.... If that helmet strap wasn't tightened correctly the helmet would have flown off before hitting her face on the ground with the initial impact. Thank God for the evolution of these buckles 🙏
@EbonyPope
@EbonyPope 2 жыл бұрын
What exactly happened? What injuries did she sustain?
@mickeyhavoc939
@mickeyhavoc939 2 жыл бұрын
Hope all is well, but I'm pretty sure the point of the video was that these new buckles are worse then the REALLY OLD set of D rings. Meaning it's a gimmick and waist of money when you could use 2 D rings and be safer. Over engineered was the point. K.I.S.S method is best method.
@komerka35
@komerka35 2 жыл бұрын
@@mickeyhavoc939 I really don't understand why stronger means safer. I think all of these buckles are safe enough. Ryan even says in the video that if it's too strong it would just rip your head off and to me that doesn't sound very safe.
@MotoFamMayhem
@MotoFamMayhem 2 жыл бұрын
@Pauline Weinberger She's fine (she races 50cc dirtbikes) I just wanted to point out how important this strap truly is. It possibly saved my daughter's life that day, she highsided and flew 10-15 feet landing directly onto her face and chest on an extremely hard packed track. She wears full gear all the time so she got up and finished her race 🏁 she was crying but still finished the race 💪
@MotoFamMayhem
@MotoFamMayhem 2 жыл бұрын
@@mickeyhavoc939 after what I saw on her camera I wouldn't use anything but the 2 D-ring setup.... If you alter your strap in hopes to buckle faster or easier it's a death sentence IMO
@RUBBERNMETAL
@RUBBERNMETAL 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan’s doing a great job at telling us useful geeky stuff in an entertaining way. Im glued to the screen the whole time during the video. Keep up the good work!
@Perry-666
@Perry-666 17 күн бұрын
I'm hooked on these videos :)
@robertpearce2244
@robertpearce2244 2 жыл бұрын
That was a good video, and I’ve just subbed in 👊
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