these star destroyers are expensive

The more I watch Kenobi, the more I realise it’s just a worse fallen order

The worst part about the trenchcoat scene is there's like actual, real people defending it

What's annoying is that blasters of black-armoured shock troopers make the same unique sound they had in Rebels show...How can they be so attentive to this tiny detail and so blindly ignorant to the stupidity of everything else that happens in Kenobi?

The worst part is the writers aren't lazy, they are just not skilled in the craft. Most of them do not have a single notable project under their belts. And Disney hired them to write a story in a complex universe in a major IP. This is another common Disney management issue. They literally made the same mistake they did with the sequels: not prioritize the writing at all. They aren't smart enough to figure out that the writing is the most important part of storytelling, regardless of the medium.

Is it weird I've been excited how Fallen Order smashes Disney to pieces. It doesn't alienate anyone and you can see the bonding scenes happen naturally and not force pushed into our senses. Thanks again for all the hard work you guys do. 😁👍

The difference between Fallen Order, showing the Empire and the inquisitors, as an actual threat, that the heroes have to outsmart, outmaneuver, and still manage to only escape by the skin of their teeth. The Writers built a fortress, with realistic defenses, and then actually had to figure out a plan how someone could infiltrate the base. VS this . . . Slap a stormtrooper, and walk out in a trench coat. The Writers bludgeon the bad guys with the idiot stick so hard that it put them on life-support. This doesn't make the bad guys seem like a threat, just as a joke. This doesn't make us impressed with the heroes, just embarrassed at how lucky they got. For them to rely so heavily on the game, it would have been a perfect opportunity for them to bring in Cal, or at least reference, "I only heard of 1 person who managed to get in and out of that fortress." But I guess they didn't want to give credit to a "lowly" video game. And then they went on to steal the best scene from Rebels in the last episode . .

Why even is there glass windows in that underwater tunnel you'd think after the last time the place got infiltrated Darth Vader would have ordered that shit covered up with durasteel or something.

I am under the firm belief that Star Wars producers haven't actually seen Star Wars.

Obi wan fighting those stormtroopers in the dark torture chamber really tryed to be Starkiller escaping his cell in the force unleashed, but instead forgot how lightsabers work.

This has been, without question, my personal biggest gripe with this show. People have talked before about how other things (Vader fighting kenobi before ANH, kenobi meeting leia, etc) already make problems with the pre-established canon, but somehow *nobody* has talked about this, which completely undermines the entire climax of fallen order. I'm so relieved to see someone bring this up finally, great analysis

You can also argue that in fallen order, the defenses were intentionally lightened just enough to allow kal and cere in, but not enough to make it blatantly obvious it was a trap. Plausibly vader wanted to lure cere and kal in, either to eliminate them or turn them into inquisitors, which wouldn't work if they were vaporized the instant they dropped out of hyperspace.

You'd think that after a guy broke into the fortress a couple years ago they'd up the security

I had no issue with them using the trench coat to hide Leia. What I DO take issue with is no one noticing. Not even Reva seems to notices them. The way she calls them out is like she already knew where they were exactly. As for the snowspeeders, I hate them. Just everything seems wrong about them. They look too small. Heck that scene of Reva "fighting" one shows off how tiny these ships are.

The more time passes, the more i want that obiwan movie we were supposed to get.

See, I'm not a professional. But the way I would have written it would have been to not have them on fortress inquisitorius at all. If it HAD to be there... The moon now has a shield gate, just like Scarif in rogue one. Traffic in and out is heavily controlled, the gate well guarded. Tala bluffs her way through using some older security codes (callback to RotJ.) but this raises a flag with security. Obiwan remains well hidden aboard a secret compartment in the ship. They land and Tala is met by several armed stormtroopers and the head security officer. They inform her that her codes are out of date and that she's under arrest on suspicion of treason. It is here that Tala uses the "I'm a double agent, I was undercover and now have important intel to report." The flight deck is not heavily populated once the security force leaves with Tala, a few mechanics and technicians milling about but Obiwan is able to quietly sneak out of the ship and into the fortress proper. He finds his way to the cell where they're keeping Leia and uses a mind trick on the trooper standing guard, convincing him to drop his blaster and swap places with Leia. Using the stealth and guile he's known for, Obiwan smuggles Leia back to the ship, using that force knock technique to clear a path at one point. Once he has her safely hidden away he waits for Tala to return, though as time passes he begins to suspect her cover has been cracked. Ensuring Leia will remain hidden and safe, he heads back into the fortress, and this time stops a security officer, mind tricking them into giving up Talas location. He learns she's being held in an interrogation room, waiting for Lord Vader to arrive as he expressed interest in debriefing her himself due to her claimed knowledge of Kenobi. Obiwan manages to free her, he can even kill the stormtroopers guarding her if you really want. Then they make their way back to the ship. Tala reveals that thanks to her slight of hand and cunning, she switched one of the officers security cylinders that has the current codes with her own. They return to the ship and take off, the updated codes now allowing them to freely leave the gate. As they jump to hyperspace, the camera pans left and Vaders Star Destroyer appears. The rest of the scene can play out as normal, Vader throwing Reva around, reva explaining she put a tracker in the droid etc.

The slapping scene is the most hilarious thing I have ever watched. Your comments on it were fantastic.

Fortress Inquisitorius should have been the Citadel from Clone Wars. It was the perfect location for it and was already designed to imprison Jedi. Just give its security a few touchups after the events in the Clone Wars and there you go. It would also make sense seeing as Vader knows about the Citadel's formidability first hand.

What I also find weird is how only Scariff has a planetary defense shield and multiple ISD's for protection, but then the Planet that houses the Headquarters of the Imperial Inquisition which has some of the empires biggest secrets inside.

Let's be real... The person in charge of security died a very painful death after the events of Fallen Order, and this lapse in security in Kenobi is definitely on someone else :P

This is just another example of writers being too lazy to apply logic to their stories. I mean it's an Imperial Fortress home to Darth Vader's task force of Jedi Hunters, and the security is about as serious as a circus. There's not a single ship in orbit to scan and clear incoming vessels. The lead security officer of all people just buys into whatever a random lady says without checking to confirm anything. Along with all the other stupid things that happened, it really makes the Empire look stupid if one of the most well defended Imperial facilities is has a security personnel that cannot notice a guy clearly hiding a child under his coat. I mean it's bad enough that they're copying from Fallen Order, but at least put some effort into it.

I'm surprised that you didn't mention that snowspeeders use ship-grade blasters, and it shouldn't be possible to deflect them with a lightsaber period.

Yeah, it's flay out commical how inexplicably bad the security in the fortress is during Kenobi, but I suppose it matches the inquizitors from the show, who are just goofy comic book villains with all the weight and pressence of a power rangers monster.

Jedi: Survivor also adds on to that first assumption about the characters maybe not knowing about the Fortress and the incursion by Cal and Cere since Cere herself created the Hidden Path

How did they even have the plans to the fortress in the first place?

This show takes so much in terms of story from fallen order, even down to beats like the two main characters needing to reconnect with the force, and it's hilarious how poorly it does it

I love those fighters at 9:15 charging full speed at the door. Must have been really maneuverable to make u-turn before hitting the steel.

I had to subscribe. Tala's slaps are more devastating than the Death Star superlaser.

Obi-Wan was fighting off the Stormtroopers with his reignited Force and lightsaber skills inside the fortress, but once they got to the hangar, he somehow forgot how to Jedi and switched back to his blaster.

I like to pretend this show never happened..

I'd just like to add, Andor did the "no-ones stupid enough to attack" thing well. The REASON no-one would be stupid enough to attack is because there was an airfield just a few minutes away, so the window would be tiny and you wouldn't be able to escape even if you did attack the compound. Similarly there was a definite reason why they COULD attack that mitigated that factor.

Man i genuinely love your videos

I do not regret subscribing to you one bit! Keep up the great content!

I saw the thumbnail and thought, "Knowing the fandom, someone will probably make a rewrite and reedit of Obi-Wan that is halfway decent" After this, I'm glad to know there's already is! I've been on the fence about taking time to play Fallen Order, and know I feel I have to now

4:58 “I can’t see a thing in this helmet!” - Luke Skywalker, Star Wars: A New Hope

Also, the scene where Obi-Wan’s lightsaber bounces off Stormtroopers in a dark room looks conspicuously similar to the much better scene in the Force Unleashed 2 E3 trailer.

very good points

4:47 That reminds me of in the Splinter Cell franchise when random guards see you in light and don’t immediately register your presence. 😂

Fun thing i just realized why doesn't reva just spin her lightsaber

How cool would it have been if fallen order was referenced in a subtle way in kenobi. "it was broken into a couple of years ago, and they have since ramped security, so we are going to have to be extra smart and careful to make sure our plan succeeds". Would be a nice little nod to anyone who has played fallen order, but wouldn't hinder the viewing experience of anyone who hasn't. Instead we got a trench coat. I hate disney.

1:39 You're implying Disney respects supplementary canon. They have demonstrated that they don't by overwriting the Ahsoka novel, and some other people better up-to-date on book/comic canon can probably tell you more.

i just assumed fallen order took place after the obi show (since i'm new to star wars etc, don't bully me) but i'm now noticing how poorly written and made the show was, sad it didn't live up to it's hype

I subscribed ! I'm far too afraid of being slapped, I don't even wear a helmet !

Yeah, tala scaping from stormtroopers may be the worst scene in Star Wars I’ve ever seen

lol Great work Master Samwise. We must not forget brave Wade who heroically fell to Reva's convenience bomb.

Is there any chance trilla can come back and kill reva instead?

If you have a video or text or whatever that calls a missing Star Destroyer a "small detail", something has gone horribly wrong.

Snowspeeders in water and sewage? I'm begining to think they get off on insulting Star Wars fans. Or just trying to destroy what people love because they didn't make it or whatever. Point is it's fucked.

You know what I first thought of when I saw that scene of reva and the ship? I thought the ship is going to fly at her and she’ll cut it in half like Rey did in the sequels… except she doesn’t do that… she just stands there. Like seriously what the fuck….

oh my god i knew the inquisitorius stuff from kenobi was dumb already but it didn't even occur to me that it all happens AFTER Fallen Order... good spot man

Why are you so worried about the star destroyers when 2 ENTIRE PLANETS VANNISHED WITHOUT A TRACE!

You’re giving the writers too much credit. It seems they are more than just incompetent at writing. It’s more like they just didn’t know how to write at all. It’s like when you read your 8 year old sister’s story about ponies. It’s not that she’s an incompetent writer, she just doesn’t know the first thing about storytelling. And of course, you can’t chide your sister on her story’s lack of basic continuity and logic. I’m honestly not even mad. I mean, what can we expect. These poor bastards shouldn’t have been hired in the first place.

"This base has no shields, no fleet guarding it, no special security measures or systems to counter specific entry methods, and lackluster security- Because it's so well protected."

But adding Star Destroyers would mean some efford😮‍💨🥺

Remember in Jedi Outcast where you would graze a Stormtrooper with your lightsaber and their arm would fall off? I miss those days.

That whole sequence felt like they were retconning the game.

Ok seriously, someone pls give the Coreographer help. I mean come on, we saw Obi Wan do some Aikido and it's... passable. But then there's this. You know, maybe hand-to-hand isn't the Coreographer's Specialty. Maybe it's Weapons Fighting. Maybe just give her a Baton or a Bludgeon, or maybe an improvised weapon. Seeing her beating the devil out of Stormtroopers with a Steel Bucket from the ground would have more oomph than that slap.

The Empire hates their Inquisitors Obviously. I would too if I had a branch that was formed around a bunch of weirdos that use their Lightsabers as Helicopters

Dang dude you don't have enough subs. I'm not normally one to comment tbh but I wanna help the algorithm gods notice you. 😋

8:40 So I guess we've decided that Stormtrooper armor *isn't* sealed?

The stunt acting in these scenes you mentioned is absolutely pathetic too. First trooper gets hit in the chest and *leans forward*, which is the opposite of what would happen. The second trooper gets slashed from left to right but spins TO HIS LEFT, the opposite of how the momentum of the strike would have sent him.

This just goes to show they don't even follow their own cannon. It's going to become just as confusing as star wars legends is.

Bruh a major government (probably even a military base) without ANY cover from space attacks in a sci-fi universe.... they didn't even have AA guns

I can't believe they were just like "we haven't got any good ideas of our own, so we'll just copy a better Star Wars thing and make it 100× worse". On second thought, sadly I can.

I imagine myself in the position of the new security chief after my predecessor mysteriously chocked to death on their own spit, possibly in the presence of Lord Vader, or the head inquisitor and I would pull all registers and hope that is enough to avoid having Lord Vader accept my apology. First I would probably set up a Scarif type shield as well as a set of weapons platforms and a heavy duty extremely intrusive scanning on a station in orbit with purge troopers and ISB personel that is not disliked by said purge troopers, kind of the lose guns and extremely methodical individuals. And since you have to walk from one hangar to the other through a corridor with blast doors multiple sets of scanners you can't really hide and hiding anything will be extremely hard. If you manage to infiltrate teh station it either tries to kill you, or failing that get's blown out of the sky by the two star destroyer and serval arquitens which patrol teh system. Should you survive that you'll find the shield gate closed off and the aforementioned ships and weapons platforms angrily reducing wreck pieces and ships to metal vapor. Should you get through the shield anyway, well there's TIE fighters of different designs (reaper, phantom, defender) would not only swarm the system, but also the air space around the fortress. As for the air locks und the water surface, all entrances not main entrances would have an extra airlock which has in it 2 purge trooper, one ISB agent two KX-enforcer units and for good measure at least one DT unit as well as a scanner chamber and auto turrets. Also the airlock and scanner chamber can be weaponised with taking the oxigen out of them, or flooding them with some form of poison for good measure. As for the actual fortress, well our gracious host had stated enough measures about the flaws, now all these measures aren't perfect but in the event things go wrong you can confidently say to Vader that budgetary constraints forced you to draw a line at some point and that clearly protocol wasn't follewed, which is a shame because one now can be sure to take the blame for those that did it without them ever learning the lesson themselves. At this point requesting a single shot disruptor pistol for "personal use" would hopefully appease Vader enough to not go after the entire family, or something.

When i firdt saw *that* scene i laughed thinking they MUST make some extremely self aware comment to justify this but tuey were serious 💀💀💀💀

I like how they rip off Fallen Order, while at the same time, ignoring the events that happened in that game.

How this snowspeeders can even shot "her"(dont remember the name) from such close range, she could just stay between this two guns and shots would miss her

Was the empire on a budget? Could they not just afford to put a shield there? You take safety precautions for important places, even if you doubt someone would try to attack it because you don’t want to be the one responsible in case someone does attack

I still cannot believe the writers got a pass nearly plagiarizing Jedi the fallen order. As soon as I saw it on screen with Obi Wan, I instantly remembered playing it and thought that they literally just copy and pasted the entire excursion. What made it worse is that I hardly heard anyone talking about it, but instead praised the show for how Obi Wan fought Vader in a fight that should never have happened as it pushes the boundaries of cannon far to much to be believable. It was a cool fight if it made sense leading into the original trilogy.

It’s incredible anyone liked this show. However the best explanation I heard for the lightsabers acting like bats is that they have a cutting edge much like an actual Saber and the DarkSaber itself. And that it takes skill to use that cutting edge effectively

I bet I could write a better kenobi

Doesn’t need to be in the same chain of command. A higher officer is a higher officer, no matter what. Unless you are on a direct order of a higher officer of the aforementioned higher officer, or in direct command of another officer of atleast the same rank as the one giving the new order. That said, no soldier is obligated to carry out ”suicide” orders.

I just finished Fallen Order for the first time, and I'm even more baffled now at the lack of security on this station seen in Kenobi. On one hand, I love the attention to detail on that show when it comes to the props and set pieces, because it visually looks like the fortress in fallen order, but the vibe in the show is totally lacking. Incredibly lazy writing on the show, and we didn't even get any purge trooper fights--those were so much fun in Fallen Order! The whole purpose of the Purge Troopers was to fight and apprehend Jedi. So much wasted potential for a Kenobi series

Darth Vader kinda forgot about the Imperial fleet

Jedi fallen has the excuse of being a video game on the subject of lightsabers

It's official, starwars stormtrooper armor is just shiny cloths that do nothing. Unless your a male Jedi

Fortress Inquisitorious was pathetic. It's nowhere as defended as Scarif and they were too laid back.

Also, the scenes with Obi-Wan cutting through Stormtroopers in the dark, igniting and shutting down his saber, is a ripoff from the Force Unleashed 2 trailer

Yeah, of course they wouldn’t know about the attack on the fortress, it’s not like they have direct connections to Cere Junda and Eno Cordova. (Not sarcastic enough. They very much do‼️‼️)

Feel like the writers of the show wrote this having to keep the game events canon but in the mind set that no one played the game...when mostly everyone has played the game lmao.

I didnt have high expectations for this show before seeing ths trailer, but when I realized that we were going to see Fortress Inquisitorious I hyped a little since I really enjoyed SWJFO. Now I wish it was never shown, this was ths worse part of ths show

And here I thought kenobi was set before fallen order and that’s why the security was shit but no

It’s insane how bad the speeders look in this episode. They don’t blend into the scene at all - the scale and perspective is wrong, they move strangely, the characters don’t seem to react to them properly, etc. It’s pathetic when you consider that the speeders in Empire Strikes Back look way better, and those were made using manual film splices and stop-motion animation!

i don't know about you, but i could make a story more logical than that (though maybe not with any consistent charecter arc or emotional throughline) in a single afternoon!

This series is just indescribably shit, thank you for making this video, I'm fed up of these terrible series. I really hope the future ones take a leaf out of Andor's book and actually have good writing. The fact they so BLATANTLY took SO MUCH from SWFO is insane.

We needed magic they got Disney bs seriously I made sure I killed every trooper I could when doing that mission I nearly failed during the Vader scenes jut to be petty against troopers and yet they don’t have enough for kal that would have been funny where obiwan met kal and they go like hello there and go their separate ways

plot armor

Production ran out of budget to CGI in the Star Destroyers. It would have been way too hard to insert them into the orbital shot.

If it's not in the title crawl it didn't happen. These cross medium stories aren't supposed to be contiguous cannon and no Disney lawyer or proclamation by pope George himself can make it otherwise. I don't watch James Bond and wonder why it contradicts 007 Golden Eye.

Why does the fortress have a XXXL trench coat laying around?

The people making a film out of the good parts of this series are the real MVP’s. I was in disbelief when I saw how comically bad this show was. Now we have S3 of Mando that was also an absolute joke. They need new writing rooms and less Kathleen Kennedy. Preferably writers who have actually watched the films and know the characters.

why dose Disney think people throwing away their weapons is a good action scene

Somehow tala was the most interesting side charecter in the show.. and she wasn't even that good either, the best part of this show was just any scene with vader

Let's be real, the whole Fortress Inquisitorious episode was an obvious bait episode with no substance for the fans of the game. Everything was pretty much the exact same as in the game, except 100 times worse.

Kenobi producers: we didn’t have the budget for Animating Star Destroyers since Disney gave most of their money towards the Andor show (Andor is still a great show though)

It's almost become pointless to criticize the stupidity of Disney Star Wars at this point. It hard to believe that this stuff comes from the same place. You can't help but feel that things like this, because of the scope of the show, gets lots of hands-on meddling by Disney execs, but then these games and shows like Andor simply aren't big enough for them to care.

Not only did this mess of a show rip off fallen order..But it also ripped off Force Unleashed 2 with that ridiculous scene were Obi-Wan was chopping down the Stormtrooper tree to rescue Leia in that dark room..Not only were the Star Destroyers gone...But no gun emplacements.No Fighters patrols..No shields , no one even watching the sensors...Plus they made Darth Vader into an idiot..

Omg this show gets worse the more I read into it why Good video though at least there is some quality content to draw from this

She's also not a sir.😂😂😂 You should compile all the pathetic action scenes into a vid and set it to Benny Hill's chase theme. Oh that would be worth all the rife Disney has brought upon us. 😂😂😂😂😂