Why a Porsche 911 GT RS is Still The Smartest Supercar To Buy

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Prices for the GT3 RS and GT2 RSs have been flat during last year while prices for some McLarens and Ferraris have been falling. If you are luckily enough to shop in this segment of this market and care about values, the GT RS products should be on your list.
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Content
00:00 Zero loss
00:30 Price trends
04:44 Comparison to other brands
06:51 Inventory dynamics
09:16 Mileage sensitivty
11:04 Conclusion
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS and GT2 RS depreciated only marginally during last year and in some cases even appreciated. They hereby outperformed the market.
So if you are in the fortunate situation that you can shop in this price range and care about values, I would definitely short list these cars. It of course does not guarantee that prices wont come down in the future. After all, the cars are still fairly new.
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@fourwheeltrader 5 ай бұрын

*What car would you like to see analyzed next?*

@DarthVader-eg9jm 3 ай бұрын

Lambo Gallardo 2004 to 2008. thanks!

@911aircooled5 5 ай бұрын

Well researched and presented. Thank You for your efforts.

@carrelatedshorts5937 5 ай бұрын

Great work. Thank you so much. Really helps.

@BertrandDussert 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video. Thanks for doing this analysis!

@comstock100 5 ай бұрын

Amazing videos. Thank you for your efforts. Always so informative and interesting

@MTbone7 5 ай бұрын

Always great vids

@ast7500 5 ай бұрын

Hi again. Interesting to watch as usual. One point to share with you that 997.1GT3RS has one exception. The RS Green 997.1GT3RS. This green Gen 1 RS commands almost as high as 997.2GT3RS market or even higher when the cars are in low mileage. Because of big demand and low production numbers. RS markets (Porsche markets in general but more for GT3 / RS markets )are heavily biased/affected by the colors. 964RS : Amethyst Pearl, Signal green, Maritime blue and Ruby Star for example. 993RS : Legendary Riviera Blue, for example.

@KyleBrightman 5 ай бұрын

If only most of us could afford them or have access to an allocation. Great as always, Harald!

@E1N9A8N0DA 5 ай бұрын

You'd be interested in Mark McCann's very elaborate and pertinent videos on the topic. P.S. : Don't be mad at me for ruining your hopes... 🤝

@GohardGTRSCars 5 ай бұрын

Great that you will include the German market (= largest EU market) in your next analysis! An analysis about Porsche RS models incl. the GT4 RS in Germany would be very interesting. Thank you very much for your analysis and clear way of presenting numbers! 👍

@Deeznutz-ht2ri 5 ай бұрын

In EU what do you think about the future prices of the 992 gt3 rs because we dont know if they will depreciate in value or not

@pauljensen4773 5 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@amablem 5 ай бұрын

@fourwheeltrader I'm being sold a 2019 .2 3RS with 5800km on the odo. (EU version with extended warranty) for 278k. Is this a good price to invest in the car right now? I intend to use the car often, not as a GARAGE QUEEN or FLIPPING or as a daily but on weekends. Neither i'm planning on tracking the car. Any comments are appreciated. Is a GT Silver on Aurum gold wheels and black interior with gt silver stiching NON Weissach.

@peterlaskiewicz8252 5 ай бұрын

Happy to be 991.1 GT3 RS owner 😊

@gretalocatelli5005 5 ай бұрын

What do you think about 991 R ? Tks

@DivineFrag 5 ай бұрын

EU market videos are going to be epic. I'd say there is a massive discrepancy between the UK and EUR markets even when adjusting for FX rates because the UK has historically had more relevant high-earning roles with lower taxes, especially in finance. For example, Pistas are now in the market for £280-300k vs. in Europe, you'll be lucky to see a couple below €400k.

@rdiamond655 5 ай бұрын

Pretty damn impressive for a hobby!

@davidduncan9050 5 ай бұрын

I love your videos. I like to keep track of what the current trading prices are for my favorite cars. At 56 seconds, you show the 991.1 dropped 0.4%, or $900, which would mean the new price is $224,100, but the graph looks like the current cost is about $210. There are many more examples, in this video and others where when I do the math, it doesn't match what the graph is saying. I still like your videos, but it would be better if you just said what the final price is at the end of the graph. Also, it is hard to read these graphs with no vertical lines. Thanks, and keep up the good work.

@fourwheeltrader 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback. The 0.4% drop refers only to the period that is indicated by the shaded box (the previous 12 months). It does not cover the price change from the MSRP. In January 2023, the median list price for a used car was $209,990 and it decreased to $209,062 by January 2024, this equals approximately 0.4% and matches with the graph.

@davidduncan9050 5 ай бұрын

Thanks😄

@davidduncan9050 5 ай бұрын

I see now that I was taking the numbers too literally, and I didn't realize that you have been rounding your numbers. Still, I think you should put the price of the last data point on the screen, so I can know what the average trading price is at the time the video comes out. These graphs are very hard to read without vertical lines. For videos that you make periodically, like the Porsche market videos, that will make it even easier to see exactly how big or small the change is. Plus, most of us hope to us hope to one day use your videos to know what we should expect to pay for a dream car. For instance, for cars that you have not analyzed, I went to Dupont Registry to see what the sellers are asking, and after seeing how much cars were trading for on your site, then seeing the list prices on an auction site, I learned that the sellers always ask much more than the car is actually worth. @@fourwheeltrader

@DarthVader-eg9jm 4 ай бұрын

bought 992 turbo S at xmas and lucky, got allocation for 2024 GT3 this month AT MSPR. Your advice is sage and irrefutable. You're an asset to all the car afficianados out there!

@fourwheeltrader 4 ай бұрын

Congrats on your allocation. It is great to hear that you enjoy the videos.

@DarthVader-eg9jm 3 ай бұрын

@@fourwheeltrader I tell all the porsche guys about your channel. Keep up the excellence!

@EvoraGT430 5 ай бұрын

Don't forget the losses incurred on the 5 or 6 other new Porsches you "have" to buy to "qualify" to get a new GT3 RS.

@jesusperez3362 5 ай бұрын

Yea plus all the depreciation you are taking from buying those cars. By the time you get to your GT3RS you will be a few hundred thousand dollars underwater on the others 😂😂😂

@allogan7428 5 ай бұрын

It’s at least 10 cars to get on the list

@EvoraGT430 5 ай бұрын

@@allogan7428Yikes.

@GunfightersINC 5 ай бұрын

I bought a 2019 GT3RS Wiessach with 1000 miles before covid for 240k.. I now have 10k miles on it.. still worth about what I paid for it.

@bryanachee7133 5 ай бұрын

i have miami blue WP i bought with 1600 miles in July 2020 for 214.5 22k under sticker. Probably the only car i'll ever do ok on LOL.

@docmarc36 5 ай бұрын

997.1 GT3RS owner... apprx 10,000 miles... bought it at $150K 3 years ago. So sounds like... it was a smart investment.

@docmarc36 2 ай бұрын

congrats. I bought a 997 RS at $150K, 10,000 and it pretty much doubled. Porsches somehow beat the market every time... They just so solid.

@bogdanmamalat2671 5 ай бұрын

Can you do a Nissan gtr

@docmarc36 2 ай бұрын

bought 997.1 RS at 150K... and boy... did it jump.

@user-tj8fj8cr9m 5 ай бұрын

Hey, how can we support you? I want to explicitly support the videos for the German market.

@fourwheeltrader 5 ай бұрын

Watch a lot of videos and share them with others 😁. If you would like to support the channel financially you can give a 'Super Thanks'.

@bobthebuildaa 5 ай бұрын

“Ovah heeya”

@richardly438 5 ай бұрын

How about the gt4 RS?

@fourwheeltrader 5 ай бұрын

I will include them in the next Cayman or GT4 market update.

@Mmgc4706 5 ай бұрын

Gt4 rs is coming down. I see dealers in usa offer CPO for ~$210k

@bryanachee7133 5 ай бұрын

@@Mmgc4706 still well over sticker and that must be a no WP, steel brake car

@winkgm5057 5 ай бұрын

Everything boils down to supply and demand, lets say they keep pumping out gt4rs, it will go down in price

@Nord_Mann 5 ай бұрын

GT4RS production ends Q2/24. That’s the low point value wise. In 15 yrs it’ll be a half a million car with only 4500 produced WW.

@davidduncan9050 5 ай бұрын

I don't think there will ever be a 1/2 million dollar car with production numbers as large as 4500. That's not really rare at all.@@Nord_Mann

@davidduncan9050 5 ай бұрын

Look at the price for a 991.1 gt3 rs , it is about 150 grand. What makes a GT4 RS any better than that car. They have the same engine, it is only that is marginally smaller, with a mid-mounted engine instead of a rear-mounted engine, and after the 997 generation, porshce moved the 911 engine closer to the middle, which is one of the reasons why 991 and 992 cars have insanely good Nurburgring times. Those cars aren't rare, they are making seven thousand GT4 RS and Spyder RS models. The production nubers are way to big to support those cars every going up in value, plus they can't get around the Nurburgring as fast ast the 992 GT3, let alone the the GT3 RS models. There is just not enough special about them, and they are way too overproduced. Snatch one in five years when it is at 150k like the other GT cars.

@MclarenMP412C- 5 ай бұрын

I’ve only had 3 McLarens, a Lambo, a Ferrari 😂😂😂

@andreabiguzzi5023 5 ай бұрын

on the Italian market, 991.2 gt3 with less than 10,000 km and with many accessories (for example clubsport) average around 180/185,000 euros. The 991.2 gt3 RS always with less than 10000 km are between 230,000 and 250,000 euros. the prices of these two versions are stable from 2022 to today. probably because many consider 991.2 more beautiful than 992

@jgway9980 5 ай бұрын

These things are still insanely overpriced. Good luck getting your money back in the next 3 years if you buy an inflated one on the used market now. $400k or more for a GT3 is hilarious. A $120k M4 CSL is right on its heals in performance and on the street for the average driver it’s pretty much a wash. Porsche will pump out more of these when they continue to lose money on their electric models. Once that happens they will be easier to get and prices will come back to earth.

@bryanachee7133 5 ай бұрын

keep waiting. until you can walk into a dealer and just buy one off the floor at sticker the prices of the used ones will stay up. the 997.2 is peak 911 and will never go down. mezger engine and manual. 991 will dip a bit then stabilize. A m4 CSL is a nice car but it's not a porsche. production is already done for the 992.1 GT3 and there won't be any .2 for at least a year. my 5 year old 991.2 is still worth more than sticker. not that I really care because I plan on keeping it a long while.

@jgway9980 5 ай бұрын

@@bryanachee7133 I used to be first one in line saying “it’s not a Porsche” but quite honestly after owning a $135k 992 C2S new and then getting into a new Lotus Evora GT, M3, a C8, and an M8, I enjoyed those 4 vehicles every bit as much as the 911. And they cost $95k, $84k, $72k, and $86k (M8 was used). I don’t get the hype with the 992, I enjoyed my 991.2 more. Porsche as a whole has become overrated and overpriced in my opinion on all levels. I recently went from a 2021 base Cayenne ($90k) to an $80k X5 50e and the X5 blows it away on all levels, even handling on mountain roads. And it uses no gas! The GT3’s are great but you just can’t get them unless you wanna get burnt on the used market. I used to never like Corvettes but after owning a C8 and realizing that it sounds way better than a 992 C2S and is more fun to drive, Porsche turned me into a Corvette fan. My C8 was literally half the price of my 992. It’s laughable. Not saying I will never own another 911 but I can guarantee it won’t be an overpriced 992. I would go certified 991.1 GTS if I were to blow $100k on a 911 right now.

@lambdee7006 5 ай бұрын

Bread is overpriced. Tampons are overpriced

@FrankGallagherr 5 ай бұрын

Overpriced

@macca720s4 5 ай бұрын

A Porsche GT3RS is NOT a supercar bruvh…

@neuheineken 5 ай бұрын

Drive one. I miss mine. Should never have sold it.

@OGcottoncandyrandy 5 ай бұрын

Says a guy who will never be able to afford one 😂

@Biggus_Dickus_69 5 ай бұрын

@@OGcottoncandyrandy I totally agree with him and can easily afford it...what's your point?

@JD-ix7vu 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@Biggus_Dickus_69I’ve owned a couple of GT3/RS since the 997.2 gens. Never thought it a super car. However, it’s damn impressive what the 992 GT3RS does on the track, most of the time faster laps than a 918 and even Pista; which I’d put into super car category. So a non super car (and significant less HP/TQ) beating super cars on the track 😂

@bryanachee7133 5 ай бұрын

damn sure doesn't depreciate like one LOLOLOL