Why the 911 GTS is the BEST value for money 911 you can buy

Why the 911 GTS is the BEST value for money 911 you can buy | Depreciation and Buying guide

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Fourwheel Trader - Car depreciation analysis

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Buying a Porsche 911 GTS? Then this is the video to watch. In this buying and depreciation guide of the 911 991 GTS, I am showing you the full depreciation curve, the depreciation per year and per 1000 miles driven. Furthermore, I show you how these numbers compete to the GT 3 , Turbo, Carrera, and Carrera S. As it turns out, the 911 GTS is the best value for money 911 you can buy.
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The video is structured in a top-down way. That means that we first have a look at the full market and some general price levels. After this, we will dive into the details.
Specifically, this means that the video for the 911is split into a few parts. We will start by having a look at the 911 GTS market. As you will see in the video, the market is relatively small, and the price variation is large. Especially the special editions such as the Reunion and Club sport demand a premium. After that, we inspect the depreciation numbers. The depreciation per year is relatively small and the curve seems to have flattened for the 997 generations. We also split the market further by the manuals and automatics cars, coupe, cabriolets, and targas, and generations. The depreciation per 1000 miles is in line with other cars in this segment. In the third part, we investigate how the depreciation curve of the 911 gts compares to the one of the turbo, gt3, and Carrera (s). Here you can see that the GTS holds its value better. At the end of the video, we also compare the depreciation rates of the gts to all the other cars which I have analysed on the channel. This shows that the GTS scores slightly better than cars with a similar age.
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0:00 Intro
01:24 GTS Market
03:01 Depreciation
07:50 Comparison to Carrera S, Carrera, GT3, Turbo
11:33 Comparison to other cars
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@victorlarsson3418 3 жыл бұрын

Really good analysis! We bought and spect a new 991.2 targa GTS and got it delivered in the beginning of 2018. We paid 1450000sek (164000usd). There are now two for sale in Sweden with about 10k miles on the clock and they are up for 170000usd. The Swedish market is going strong!

@nicbesier8484 3 жыл бұрын

Your analysis is fantastic! Love your channel. Keep up the great work! This information is very useful for anybody getting into the higher end vehicle market.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@timothybilecki8932 3 жыл бұрын

Who knew regression analysis could be interesting! Great video. Thanks.

@tough5089 3 жыл бұрын

2018 GTS Cab $124 with 2k miles. I am very happy with my purchase. Thanks for this info

@JS-ni2uy 3 жыл бұрын

Another clear, concise, and complete analysis. The formulaic approach is really helpful in making value comparisons. Keep up the good work!

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@wildevad 3 жыл бұрын

recently picked up a 2018 chalk GTS coupe with the perfect options for me. thanks for the analysis!

@mohammedseedat4453 3 жыл бұрын

Your video's are amazing!! It has assisted me in every vehicle I have purchased and when I sold them it was spot on!!

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear!

@matthewpimenta1496 2 жыл бұрын

You are brilliant dude. These videos are so amazing

@Mjv2175 2 жыл бұрын

Love this. JUST bought a 991.2 C4 GTS when I was looking for a 4S. This makes me feel a lot better about spending a little more now :)

@johnespanol1273 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for doing this video. i bought a used 2019 911 GTS and absolutely love it. i feel it was the sweet spot in the 911 line up!!

@bobgees793 3 жыл бұрын

John Espanol me too. I’ve had mine since May ‘19. Traded a 2010 GT3 for it and it’s such a great compromise. Thing is there are so many great 911s. I’m already craving another one next year. Maybe a Targa GTS or Turbo S

@markpuccio6270 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2019 GTS Targa with a manual. You do make some compromises but all the together it is an amazing car. In sport plus the car is an absolute beast but you can turn the dial and cruise with the top down in comfort.

@pheakpheasopanhavuth3612 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this video bro, keep it up 😍😍

@vinestreet4031 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. So useful and succinct! Great. Time to watch to usefulness is off the charts.

@vinestreet4031 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry usefulness to time. Off the charts.

@Akoroush 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Great video.

@user-1500HP 3 жыл бұрын

Great analysis as always. I am always glad when your analysis is available for a car i own. Keep it up. I am in the UK, and have a Blue 2012 997.2 GTS Pdk coupe with 45k miles. Awesome cars indeed. Might be selling soon if anyone wants depreciation free Porsche fun then let me know.

@WheresTheAnyKey1 3 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this analysis for a while as I'm hoping to pick up a 911 in the near future. this confirms what I've observed. gts' hold their value better, so from a new purchase perspective, it is the better choice. from a used car perspective, i would probably consider the few years older S version as that would have taken the larger depreciation and leveled off. if only the GTS curve was steeper in the first couple years, closer to the S drop off and then a harder level off. but then again, it's that way for a reason!

@rudik5496 3 жыл бұрын

Really like all your analysis... but this one... is the best I think (comparing to base/S and GT3/turbo) is very nice! Maybe worth keeping in mind for future to do “group test” like on depreciation (R8/l vs GT3 vs GTS) when you already have all the data for each. Great job!

@tomhiggins9074 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant videos! Would love to see one on the 993!

@Tarrant64 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks. I'd like to see depreciation analysis on somewhat niche limited edition cars, like Focus RS LE, STI S209, Supra A91 - where we see cars with production numbers that are relatively low. Sometimes it seems to make a difference and depending on the car maybe sometimes not.

@turbokid99 3 жыл бұрын

Great video.. u should have more subscribers! Loved my 991.2 C4-GTS... Such a great daily driver

@Badjuju22 3 жыл бұрын

How much did you pay for it?

@Alfiethewhippet 3 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see an analysis on SL 55 AMG. Reasons are massively produced car, wide range of production year, complex specs, and it is a marvelous car!

@alejandromartin3504 2 жыл бұрын

great videos, I dontlike too much 911s as Ferraris or lambos but your videos are very interesting thks

@skip4227 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a comparison of the Targa models vs. other "tops".

@gabrieljarquin5920 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see all these numbers in 2022 market where all the prices have gone up dramatically with no new cars available and most used cars cost more then the brand new due to lack of inventory.

@mschacht69 10 ай бұрын

Having had 1/2 dozen prior Porsche cars over the past 25 years, I agree, the 991.2 GTS is a superlative value..so called turbo lab, non-existent in my experience, especially when driving a PDK in the Sport + model. Good God does this car tear up the road. This is the best car channel on KZfaq....so date driven, very impressive. I am about to send some money in....why not?

@334trax2 3 жыл бұрын

I really like this information. Thanks Do you also compare maintenance cost of ownership?

@piotergudrinovicproduction11 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent as always!!! How about the Mercedes Benz G wagon ??

@matthewcyahoo 3 жыл бұрын

This is such an awesome channel. One thing you might include is after your analysis pick a car and year you would purchase. For example in this video say "I would buy a 2017 GTS Convertible with a PDK" and then list the reasons why. It would be cool to hear what you would pick yourself and the reasons why...

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Good suggestion

@peterkapusi5882 3 жыл бұрын

And btw you could answer this here then ... :)

@paulbarron285 3 жыл бұрын

@@fourwheeltrader I like this idea too!

@TheMattprune 3 жыл бұрын

awesome thank-you! Seems GTS is the way forward for a 991.1 *BOOM*

@hamletwong5820 3 жыл бұрын

2021 718 GTS 4.0 Cayman please. Great informative video!

@mashsyed9808 3 жыл бұрын

This video confirms my own analysis as well. The GTS loses the least amount of money but offers the best overall options standard in the 911 lineup. Ended up purchasing a 2017 991.2 middle of 2020. Really happy with it. Prior to that had a 2012 991.1 S. No comparison at all. the 991.2 is way way better. Thanks for making this video!

@Max-if4jp Жыл бұрын

Sorry, that’s just wrong. Value from the 991.2 will drop really fast. The 3.8 engine is the out of stock and will be a future classic soon.

@mashsyed9808 Жыл бұрын

@@Max-if4jp I ended up selling mine for more than I bought it for. In all fairness, that would not have happened if it wasn't for the pandemic. But regardless, the GTS trim has the best depreciation curve amongst the Base, S, and 4S, possibly even the Turbo models

@fkporsche1 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. i have had carrera S and GT3RS, GT4. I am a few years older now. Thinking about a GTS for my next Porsche. Although with the current dealerships mark up 🔝, in Southern California Porsche dealerships are asking GT3 15k over MSRP. It sounds not good. I like cars but I am not keen on paying this type of mark up. I called my Porsche dealership, my sale told me 30k over MSRP on a GTS. To me, I worked hard to earn my living, this is a no no to pay this mark up. It’d really took the fun out of purchasing a Porsche. I am not in this hurry to buy a Porsche. And the dealership around don’t have a GTS nor GT3 for a test drive before the purchase.

@paulthorpe766 3 жыл бұрын

2011-12 GTS with just 30,000-50,000 miles will be free motoring now (even after servicing tyres etc pa) if you keep to 3000 miles a year / Good vid thanks...

@spg1073 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see an audi rs5 review, has 2 generation and multiple models, but are not so much available. What do you think?

@MrSchn3ll 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with someone else below, do a Carrera T. I have one and the car I purchased (used) is now worth about $15k more than I paid! Very low production numbers and rare driver focused spec.

@security_threat 3 жыл бұрын

A couple of months ago I struggled so hard between a 981 GT4 and a Carrera T, ended up getting a GT4 but the T had so much charisma! The GT4 is a better sports car but I know I would have driven the s**t out of the T. Anyway, while the T won't be a future classic, because of its attractive price and fan base it will be loved and driven much more than a S or GTS

@amintaslneto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Analize the Carrera T in future vids pls.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Good idea.

@ortontom 3 жыл бұрын

We just sold a T at £69k with low miles, lovely car #ashgood

@theleckerchecker1 3 жыл бұрын

Watch for the 991 GTS built till 2017, especially the cabrio. Price is growing for the last of non turbo charged models.

@IncredibleCha 3 жыл бұрын

Please analyse the market about 812 Superfast someday!

@Cchichester 3 жыл бұрын

Can you do one on the 981 GTS preferably Boxster. With the 718 getting the 4.0 soon want to hear how it’s effecting the market

@kishan.d.perera8161 3 жыл бұрын

Can you please make a depreciation analysis for a 991.2 Carrera T varient

@GladiatUnispect 3 жыл бұрын

gt4 and spyder? Thanks for the video

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, good suggestions.

@zenjitsuman 3 жыл бұрын

I would like to see the Audi S5 and S5 sportback analysis

@cheapspeed 3 жыл бұрын

Civic type r would be a great video if u could do the analysis

@maxy5980 3 жыл бұрын

Please make a.video for the mclaren 12c!

@mo0044 3 жыл бұрын

Here in germany the 991.2 gts sells over new price rn.. probably because it‘s the last loud 911 without Particulate filters

@nicklalani869 3 жыл бұрын

Have you considered an analysis between an 18-19 911 4 GTS and a 2020 4S with some upgrades?

@markjones2971 2 жыл бұрын

Is it me or is the 2016 GTS 911 going up in value now? Is that due to the last non turbo? Any update on that model?

@xKay87x 3 жыл бұрын

could you please do an update video of this? thank you

@thegrmcrckr488 3 жыл бұрын

What about the Porsche 991.2 4S with factory Powerkit? GTS without the blackout kit and centerlock wheels.

@nicholasevennett8231 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this. Makes me think I should hold out for a 992 GTS, even though I know buying new hurts when it comes to depreciation. Where is the accent from?

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

I'm Dutch

@nicholasevennett8231 3 жыл бұрын

Dacht ik wel

@sd2002 3 жыл бұрын

How about Targa's depreciation specific video?

@nycinkmaster 3 жыл бұрын

there are so many variables that can affect this analysis , overall condition of the car, the spec, the millage , the market at the time of sale or purchase.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

But only a few of those really matter. Most price variation can be explained by the model year and mileage. The spec is usually the third most important variable.

@Zitin 3 жыл бұрын

Lamborghini Murcielago LP-640 and pre LP please!

@jasonbarnes2636 3 жыл бұрын

These cars are absolutely stunning. Nice sounding exhaust. But, I find them to be boring to drive. I would prefer a cheaper but more fun to drive Quattroporte. Just my opinion.

@michaelskaff2428 3 жыл бұрын

Audi Rs4 next please preferably a b7

@petera8438 3 жыл бұрын

Your analyses are absolutely excellent. I am narrowing my purchase options amongst a small number of different car brands and your analysis helps enormously with the rational rather than the emotional aspects of car choice. Obviously small model differences will lead to variations that may be beyond the generalized valuations. However, where would you put a 997.2 Carrera 4 GTS with low mileage?

@NeMayful 3 жыл бұрын

I want to see Panamera’s!

@zhorikjunior1852 3 жыл бұрын

BMW M2 OG

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

That one is already covered on the channel. Check it out

@Neil2022 3 жыл бұрын

My BMW M4 CP lost 19k £ in 9 months.🤣 I should go Porsche. (And that was already heavily discounted)

@IncredibleCha 3 жыл бұрын

It must be a M4 from 2019? My car is M4 CP manual.

@dusbin3000 3 жыл бұрын

Bentley Bentayga! And maybe some other premium SUV’s?

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, good idea.

@TheMattprune 3 жыл бұрын

how much should I calculate per year for depreciation on a 2011 991.1 with a purchase price of £49,000 doing 10,000 miles per year? Is there is a simple calcualter or percentage I can use? And, same for a 540i with purchase price of £32,000 which is two years old? Thanks so much in advance.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Check the 911 Carrera S video for the rates of that car.

@TheMattprune 3 жыл бұрын

Would be alot easier if you could answer my questions as already watched your video twice 🤷‍♂️

@ched3347 3 жыл бұрын

The 991.1 Gts is not better ?

@johnadams9044 3 жыл бұрын

First year depreciation is about 18%. Additionally, Porsche value is also extremely sensitive to mileage.

@mannojkummar9226 3 жыл бұрын

How about bmw M'sss....?

@franzbranntwein3722 3 жыл бұрын

991.1. GTS is the best with the Last 3.8 NA Engine, prices in Europa much higher as the 3.0 Liter Engine

@a.c.e.7568 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly why I bought a 2015 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS in 2018 when 991.2 models were available. Luckily in a manual in GT Silver and with $45,620 in factory options. And in the end, some or many Porsche owners worry far too much about depreciation. I wonder how much they really enjoy their cars. Neither of my 911s are for sale.

@michaelyhchai 3 жыл бұрын

Do a 458 analysis please!

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

There is already a video of the 458 on my channel, check it out.

@michaelyhchai 3 жыл бұрын

@@fourwheeltrader definitely will! Thanks. Have you done the gallardo or huracan pre performante and evo yet?

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelyhchai The Gallardo and the huracan also have their own videos on the channel.

@michaelp472 3 жыл бұрын

I owned a new 2019 GTS with all the performance options and the custom interior...you are going to lose more like $15,000 per year in trade, and most people trade. Few cars are investments. It is a great daily driver.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

Most of the prices in the video are indeed dealer prices.

@leenestle 7 ай бұрын

I think it’s misleading to say the GTS has $7,900 per year in depreciation. What you are really saying is there is a $7,900 change by model year. I feel to correctly calculate the depreciation of each model you would take the new price (ie in 2011) vs current sales price. Seems like that would give you a very different view. Especially since each year would have inflation os at 3%, that would account for around $4-$5k difference in price.

@fourwheeltrader 7 ай бұрын

This video is outdated given the current market. I recommend having a look at the most recent carrera market update. Additionally, last week's video shows some carrera trends adjusted for inflation. That might be informative as well.

@leenestle 7 ай бұрын

@@fourwheeltrader thanks for the reply. appreciate it is dated but I wanted to check out a pre Covid perspective. Thanks for all of the analysis, just have an issue with the methodology used to calculate deprecation in this video. Still think it’s super helpful.

@ortontom 3 жыл бұрын

Avoid carmine red as a colour, but overall the 991.1 and 2 are superb in manuals ..we recently sold a 997 GTS cab with miles for less than £40k #ashgood

@johnnymiller1000 3 жыл бұрын

Why avoid Carmine?

@ortontom 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnymiller1000 can be a slow seller

@lawrencefearon6830 3 жыл бұрын

You never do the R230 generation SL65 AMG, a V12 masterpiece now wholly extinct across the Mercedes brand. One just sold for nearly $60,000 with 73k miles on it. Another sold for $58k in June. Last year these were $50k cars. If you're doing Jags and Aston's then including the SL is just common sense.

@wassimnakadi5908 3 жыл бұрын

The big question is 991.1 GTS ( NA) vs 991.2 GTS ( Turbo)

@user-st4ut7zb2p 3 жыл бұрын

In Germany they have the same price by same milage. So the value of a 991.1 is better

@justinm312 3 жыл бұрын

Any thoughts on this? Looking at both .1 and .2 GTS

@Montezuma0 2 жыл бұрын

I think .2 is better overall. Yeah NA is better but the turbo is amazing too. I’d rather have better styling, better gas mileage, more power, and better infotainment instead of having naturally aspirated engine

@radomillion 3 жыл бұрын

If you don't wanna lose money on a Porsche get an air cooled one!

@soldmycatforheroin 3 жыл бұрын

Because that‘s always been the culprit of the „GTS“ trim and doesn‘t need a 13 min vid?

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

I rather trust data than anecdotal evidence

@ashman0071 3 жыл бұрын

If this is the supply in all of the USA then it's unlikely you'll find one you won't have to fly to to evaluate. $$$

@christopher_roger 3 жыл бұрын

I have an issue with this entire analysis because you are not looking at the depreciation curves for any given model year. The right way to do this would be to look at the price of a model year over time. What did a 2012 sell for in 2012, 2013, 2014, and so on. With your analysis, the big error comes in the average selling price increase every year for a new car. The % increase is different every year and for every model.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

True. An analysis of the values over time is the correct way to do this. To my knowledge this data is not available though. Having said that, since im doing this for a while now, I made several analysis which use data from more timestamps. See for example the covid19 price impact video and the corcette c7 market update video. Also, for cars which are relatively new (max 10 years old), i found that the approach based on model years gives good estimates and therefore serves as a proxy. The more a market is bottomed, the less good the model year approach works.

@studio-flash 3 жыл бұрын

Overpriced when new.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

*Which car would you like to see analysed next?*

@ScottHD 3 жыл бұрын

Honda Civic Type R?

@mcw5318759 3 жыл бұрын

Have you done Macan or Macan turbo?

@thehpw 3 жыл бұрын

Love it. 14/15 GTS manual is my next car! Have you ever considered doing vintage cars? For example first generation 67-69 Camaro is very popular. I think it would get a lot of views.

@victorlarsson3418 3 жыл бұрын

Gt4

@NoahBB 3 жыл бұрын

How about an American muscle car special? Mustang vs Camaro vs Challenger. That would be very interesting.

@saffronblaze7763 3 жыл бұрын

Do people who buy Porsches actually worry about best value for money?

@ortontom 3 жыл бұрын

Yes as they usually are high income bracket earners that like to buy best value. Porsches offer so much for the money, cheap to service too

@saffronblaze7763 3 жыл бұрын

@@ortontom While I do agree Porsche makes a quality car, I am not convinced value for money drives people to buy them. I bought three cars in a little over a year, not once was it value for money that was a prime consideration. I would suggest it was best for the role, then appeal, then money.

@a.c.e.7568 3 жыл бұрын

I could never figure that out. Obviously most of them buy and sell their cars every couple of years almost like investing in the market. I won't pay more than MSRP for one though which is typical of the GT cars.

@KillaORssbm 3 жыл бұрын

You completely missed the mark without mentioning the Carrera T which is an incredible value and future collectible. A little disappointed

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't mention the Carrera T. There is not enough data to make an analysis about that model.

@toniserrano8 2 жыл бұрын

bufffff jajajaja

@Fluterra 3 жыл бұрын

Totally flawed because actual selling prices are not taken into account, and neither are actual selling prices when new. This “report” is meaningless.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

The difference between selling and advertised prices is insignificant for the analysis. It would shift the full market slightly downwards, hereby not affecting the relative numbers.

@Fluterra 3 жыл бұрын

@@fourwheeltrader Wrong, because it would not shift values by a Constant amount! The fact that you don't understand this means you shouldn't be posting these videos. In some cases purchase price = asking price, in other cases purchase > asking, and in most cases purchase < asking; but in widely varying amounts. Price when new is also important, not just MSRP. You can double the base price of a Porsche with options. Makes a massive difference in what you're trying to do.

@fourwheeltrader 3 жыл бұрын

The fact that you don't understand this shows that you don't understand the data and the statistics behind it. It's about the distribution shift. Regarding the new prices, these are the advertised new prices and include options.