This is a horror story I have seen over and over again. We have had clients that have been financially abused by other shops. We have a unit in at the moment. The client had it reconditioned for a sizeable sum 22 years ago. He was able to put less than 100 miles on the motor. It never ran correctly. He was treated poorly by the performance shop while he was trying to get them to solve the issues. He ended up walking away from the project until recently. Money, family, kids and life in general postponed the project. We found the project to be a horror story. We are just finishing this project for him. It has taken a bit of time as he was blindsided by the costs of repair. We have worked with him so he could save this vintage project. We restore classic and vintage motorcycles. He is the original owner of the 1976 Yamaha RD400. We work hard to save "heritage" projects. Good guy. Dishonest shop. Not just poor work. This was a situation where the work was never performed. We photo document all projects. We deliver all old parts to the client that were collected during the project. Our clients are reassured that all items and processes have been completed by supplying a thumb drive of all photos, spreadsheets of costs, and an exhaustive written narrative of work performed. Our reputation guarantees a quality product. That reputation has taken over 40 years to build. Great work Lee. Have a Deluxe week!
@huwzebediahthomas91932 жыл бұрын
Bluddy nightmare reconditioning!
@MJPilote2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the reason I started to do my own engine. Got one crap from reputable shop, they bored the block too big and honed it very coarse. Then when it ate oil and was breathing like a train “its fine, you just don’t know better” So now if there is problems with my engines or machining I know where to lay blame! Huge respect for the outstanding work you are doing, at least there still is some good shops in the world!
@jeffreyhansen14792 жыл бұрын
Unless you check your machine work before assembly you don't know what you've got.....oh. use a standard
@Willam_J2 жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I had an alignment performed on my car. When I got it back, it drove straight, but the steering wheel (which was straight when I brought it in), was now turned 45deg anti-clockwise. The shop I took it to didn’t have its own alignment rack, so they send their alignments to another shop. When I called the shop to discuss the problem, the owner said “If you wanted your steering wheel straight, you should have said so, up front.” Then, he acted like he was doing me a favor, by correcting the screw-up. I asked him “If I have you put new tires on my car, do I need to tell you to put air in them?” He could have originally told me “Another shop did it, but it’s wrong and we’ll make it right.” Then, I would still be a customer….. and they’d still be in business. Like anyone else, I can write a book of automotive shop horror stories. I also never knew how prevalent it was, to cheat women, until I met my wife. She’s never taken a car anywhere, for anything, without them trying to sell her on work that wasn’t needed. I happens every damn time. They always try the old “You could be stranded on a dark road” routine, that they know works on women’s fears. Completely disgusting business practice. Needless to say, good/honest shops are extremely hard to find. If you happen to find one, hang on to it with both hands. 😃👍
@MJPilote2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyhansen1479 How do you check it when they put it togehter? Taking it apart again?
@jeffreyhansen14792 жыл бұрын
@@MJPilote that's exactly what you've discovered......
@MJPilote2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyhansen1479 yep, it was a real mess. And thats why I do all my machining myself. Go check my channel if interested. Youll see all my own mistakes. 😁
@davemorris67472 жыл бұрын
30 years ago I went to court to get my money back on a rebuilt engine that had no new parts installed and the original parts installed were badly worn. I lost the case because the court stated that a rebuilt engine is exactly that. Taken apart and rebuilt. No new parts reqd. If the engine had been sold as reconditioned then my case would have stood up in court. Expensive lesson learnt.
@derekhobbs11022 жыл бұрын
Terminology is key.
@marymoffatt20602 жыл бұрын
That reminds me of the Cinch tv adverts where they say all their cars are fully reconditioned; what does that mean? When I was in the trade at franchised dealers we worked through a used car service check list but, invariably, sales would always decline any repairs that weren't safety related.
@erniemathews50852 жыл бұрын
Thanks. That is a situation I have coming up- I know what to ask for now.
@mikeymike32402 жыл бұрын
Bummer that man
@andyhunt4572 жыл бұрын
@@marymoffatt2060 I would never buy a car off Cinch having visited their prep warehouses on several occasions and heard about how long the guys actually get to fix things that are wrong.Time is money so the less time spent on the car is more profit for the BCA monster.
@koont6662 жыл бұрын
I'm not a mechanic but that was a shocking engine,love learning from someone doing it properly and professionally 🇬🇧🍀👍🏼
@jerrycann63742 жыл бұрын
I had a guy try to sell me a "rebuilt" engine. I told him to remove a head and if it is rebuilt then I'll buy the engine as is and pay for the new gaskets and put the engine back together.....he declined
@chrisquinlan30122 жыл бұрын
Kero -gun "rebuild"....spray the outside of the block with kerosene and them wash off looks like new!
@kennethtalbott22332 жыл бұрын
glad it's not just me having to put right other folks garbage. you should see some of the rubbish kitchen and bathroom fitting i have to try and sort out. different trades, same crap.
@mikedoblo47822 жыл бұрын
i rebuilt a cosworth engine maybe 20 years ago now one and only i have done, only reason is i think when everyone else seen it they said no because it was lump of rusty melted scrap from a fire damaged car. after stripping everything it seemed fine inside. had to send it to a specialist as the local machine shop would not skim the block because the liners sat proud of the block slightly this was a different type of wire ringing also the cam followers were solid with shims in them. the only thing they found wrong was the crank had twist and they straightend it
@rgthomson12 жыл бұрын
I know the feeling of getting a crap refurb engine, i got two from a guy who said they were all done, first one went at the cams on start up an he fitted new head sent it back and then the bottom end went after about 80 miles, i just gave up on that L200 after that, in fact the scrap man is coming for it tomorrow, wont buy a refurb again from anyone
@Darth_Chicken2 жыл бұрын
That is a disgrace that someone supposedly rebuilt that engine they must have used bits kicking around on the junk pile. This is why you need to be careful where you get work done.
@vauxaholic2 жыл бұрын
Love the way as you take the head off a alarm goes off outside and the look on your face is priceless 🤣👍
@louisavondart91782 жыл бұрын
No small end bearing and no circlips on the pin.... I'm speechless.... Dropping that engine from a great height on the cheat that sold it would be too good for him.
@jdsstegman2 жыл бұрын
"Fresh rebuild" always love that term.....
@DYLAN1020012 жыл бұрын
Always rebuild it yourself. You'll know exactly what you have and you aquire experience.
@monteceitomoocher2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a mechanic but that engine was shocking, just a collection of scrap bits stuck together.
@waynep3432 жыл бұрын
Tap. There are 3 tap shapes. Bottoming taps are to really cut just the last few threads. You should cut all but the last threads with a conventional shape tap.
@roberta6641 Жыл бұрын
not to sound like a knob mate but bottom taps are for clearing the hole and making sure the threads correct. seconding taps are to cut the last few threads followed by the bottoming tap, as they normally have a 3 thread lead (5 for first 3 for second and 1 for bottoming, although theirs a fair different desines and lead amounts. i have even seen one with 15 threads and all but 3 threads were lead.) you try cutting with a bottoming tap and they have a chance of exploding. and yea, thats a pig to sort out. ask me how i know. lol
@RoadBikeCC2 жыл бұрын
That alarm in the back ground kicked in at the right time. As soon as the head was off, alarm went off 😂
@huwzebediahthomas91932 жыл бұрын
Alarm. The travellers are in town? Sorry, tarmac boys. 😁😁😁
@sirmalus51532 жыл бұрын
Name and shame these rip off pirates i would. Even a "proper" car garage will try it on sometimes, just because they can.
@terencehawkes3933 Жыл бұрын
Geez no circlips to hold the piston pins in? It's amazing this engine hasn't blown up!
@roiberadcnoic58622 жыл бұрын
That engine must have came from a car breakers it's disgraceful how anyone could say they rebuilt that engine if I was the owner I would take the engine back
@aderrrt2 жыл бұрын
Name and Shame.....all rogues need to be put out of business. Great to see a professional sort out the problems.
@stuwhite23372 жыл бұрын
Totally agree on the braking on a 7. On my first few track days I kept slowing down far too early!
@fredflintstone80482 жыл бұрын
"Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see."
@stevehamilton94182 жыл бұрын
A court that said rebuilt means take apart and put back together again with no change of any components is playing a word game ! The judge and any attorney involved should be taken out back and flogged for gross incompetence as well as abject ignorance!!
@cudwieser39522 жыл бұрын
take it for granted if an engine is in the shop it's not there because it's perfect. There is something to be done to it.
@adolfshitler2 жыл бұрын
Great advertising for Barum Engines and earning whilst doing so. One switched on cookie 😉 and some lovely, entertaining machining too.
@IsThisAvailable5502 жыл бұрын
These guys obviously know their trade. Great video, thank you.
@derekhobbs11022 жыл бұрын
Years ago, a customer dropped off a Datsun L18 with a shopping list of things done to it, forged pistons etc. The only things true were its capacity, and block deck was o ringed.
@danielcgomez2 жыл бұрын
I get told that I come across very pessimistic too ...but it's got a lot to do with how much I've 'seen' ...haha Cheers Lee!
@bertiewooster33262 жыл бұрын
The best way we rebuild engines is first we steam clean the outside then spray it black or whatever colour the clients wants we shine up the covers and then charge him around £ 5k for it.
@neilpike43582 жыл бұрын
Absolutely disgraceful, Stevie Wonder could have done a better job!I would have been interested in the original condition before it was rebuilt. Unbelievable! Keep up the good work love the content!
@kianward59992 жыл бұрын
that vid was just amazing great content pal once again great channel pal and great work
@rogerking72582 жыл бұрын
A customer once asked me to check over a freshly built Lotus Twincam engine he had bought. The head gasket was 3mm smaller in diameter than the bores, it had inner valve springs only fitted and they were sitting directly onto the aluminium of the head (no spring seats), each combustion chamber was a completely different size and shape and they were all leaking around the valve seats, some cam lobes were largely missing, etc, etc. This wasn't the only such example I've seen. When working for a well known rally team in the 1980s we were asked to check over a single cam Vauxhall 2.3 engine which turned out to be a knackered engine that had had nothing more than a coat of paint. We were surprised that the customer seemed so cheerful about it, but later discovered that he had "connections" in the East End of London. Apparently he had gone to visit the vendor with several of these individuals in tow and had offered him a couple of "choices". Seems he received a full refund plus significant compensation as well.
@markwalsh8411 Жыл бұрын
I’d say 90% of Cossie engines if not in a running car are probably tarted up scrap which is why it’s removed in the first place
@matthewholzinger10422 жыл бұрын
I local car club member won a raffle of a rebuilt engine. It ended up being put together from several engines with mismatched used pistons and heads.
@jamiewalton232 жыл бұрын
Great video Lee, just started subscribing and loving the machining side of engine rebuilds. Have you done any VW engine’s rebuilds (type 4 especially). Huge thanks for making the videos buddy, it’s really appreciated
@benwinter24202 жыл бұрын
Hitlers revenge . . those Porche Harleys though
@huwzebediahthomas91932 жыл бұрын
Mentioned Davies Bearings engine shop Burry Port Carmarthenshire before - do twin with them. They are sound too, specialise in rally engines etc. as well as your usuals. Peace! Andy may still be the boss, but maybe his son now. They do boats too, etc., anything with a crankshaft. 🙂🏴🐑
@jerrycraig65222 жыл бұрын
So with my knowledge as a union cement mason, and at best shade tree mechanic skills, I could rebuild engines for a living, all I need is some cans of spray paint and presto, a new engine!!! Good for me!!!
@HappyQuailsLC2 жыл бұрын
It might be helpful to do a video on how we are to be careful when we aren't engine mechanics ourselves. Thanks
@benjohnson40842 жыл бұрын
Similar story I hear all the time and one I have experienced myself , I once took the head from my "65" Alpine to a shop to be skimmed , new valves, guides, springs and the water ways repaired. What came back was an absolute shocker. Always go to a reputable machine shop, Always look at the work they have completed for others but most of all Always go on recommendations and the experience of others.
@MrSnookerballs2 жыл бұрын
No need for new taps as you can grind the leading edge and make as good as new. done it hundreds of times.
@michaelolson27572 жыл бұрын
You get what you pay for. You have to do your research on shops. I’ve been lucky to find a place many many years ago who will actually let you come in and see your engine being assembled and on the dyno.
@londonbuddha2 жыл бұрын
You don't always get what you pay for.There are too many swindlers and thieves out there.
@CrimeVid2 жыл бұрын
There is an engine rebuilder near me, they produce three levels of rebuild the top level of which is only available to them, for their in house engine replacements. the second level is only sold to the trade to fit, and the third/ lowest level is sold to DIY ers , who are not warned they are buying half a job.
@jittychitty2 жыл бұрын
Sadly the world is rife with scammers these days...
@scottkaercher17332 жыл бұрын
People have to be careful on who they get to rebuild their motors. Its sad someone ripped this guy off and people like this gives all mechanics a bad name.
@huwzebediahthomas91932 жыл бұрын
Come to Pembrey track day in Carmarthenshire West Wales sometime. Motorways most of the way, about 12 miles of other roads too at end. This Summer? Nice shortish tight circuit. Cornererd do well.
@ambydaly57132 жыл бұрын
They call that tap a plug tap. The first tap is called a taper tap sometimes followed by a second tap, then the plug tap. Retired toolmaker
@samrodian9192 жыл бұрын
@ amby daly,alternative name is bottoming tap. Taper, second, plug or bottoming is what I used to teach my students.
@Mercmad2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the middle of a rather expensive Mercedes Engine restoration . The big end shells are all marked -.25 and the mains are marked Std with factory markings. But when the crank was micced , the mains were found to be .25 undersize too.... It had done many thousands of miles like that over 40 years but always had reasonable oil pressure and only a slight thumping under a load. Amazing what I find too, sometimes.
@johnwarwick41052 жыл бұрын
Surprising what good oil pressure can take up 😮
@crazeguy262 жыл бұрын
damn Mercedes must been after quality is was ably to live like that.
@simonnlaroche54382 жыл бұрын
As always totally amazing content and super human skills! Thank you!
@brucebaxter69232 жыл бұрын
Rattle can rebuild
@BerntDanielsson45352 жыл бұрын
That was like the Wheeler Dealers episode. When they bought a pinto motor. And did a FULL ENGINEBUILD... Like... fresh paint on the block and head with a paintbrush and a new rocker cover gasket.
@matthijsmaris87032 жыл бұрын
I guess after Ed China left?
@BerntDanielsson45352 жыл бұрын
@@matthijsmaris8703 Yes. Marc Priestley was his name.
@prjndigo2 жыл бұрын
And a flushed toilet is "freshly cleaned"...
@julesviolin2 жыл бұрын
For christ sake Name and shame these rip off merchants so we can all avoid them. Pure oxygen thieves
@matthewmorrone8832 жыл бұрын
Does the kit car have a differential vent? Check that or uograde. We had issues with the vent being clogged and pissing out the pinion seal. The seal isnt the issue. Maybe the differential could use a air scoop and aluminum cover to help dissipate the heat. Just an idea. 🤷♂️ As for the cosworth, that engine was tinkered with on the cheap. Frankenstien style. Id scrap most of it and start fresh. The burned valve, pistons issues with the conrods and wrist pins, oil pump and bearings its in a sad state all around.
@paulhaywood84392 жыл бұрын
Wow i didn't know bojit and scarper were still in business
@waynep3432 жыл бұрын
Changing brake rotor diameter can change brake bias. So your fronts may lock up before the rears.
@derekhobbs11022 жыл бұрын
Or the opposite, as the front bites, the rear tends to lift.
@Auggies19562 жыл бұрын
I could tell you two stories about pro engine shops who cheated me. I think the knowledge and professionalism has long gone.
@RudeLubeuk2 жыл бұрын
Not pessimistic mate just experienced lol
@BrianWMay2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, thanks.
@andywalsh11852 жыл бұрын
Always a good watch 👍
@GenderSkins2 жыл бұрын
I hate to say this, but freshened up, rebuilt, and reconditioned all mean different things. Nor do they mean the same thing to different people. That said, that engine looks like it was probably teaching block, or something used in a tech school to teach kids auto-mechanics. As a lot of what was done, looks like what I saw when I was studying automotive repair at what use to be TSTI, which is now TSTC. The problem with teaching kids with that method is it often prompts bad habits, that are hard to break latter on.
@lurchaddams41792 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of when the teenage kids would slap a mud truck engine together at my dads farm shop and we would just shake our heads.
@RudeLubeuk2 жыл бұрын
Man that engine. Unbelievable. Some people....
@TICORO292 жыл бұрын
I would love to work for a guy like you. Six months I am looking for a proper, honest and professionally ethical person to work for, to be able to give everything I know to get in return everything I deserve, but there is no chance in London. I guess I shall blame this on London,or shall I blame this on bureaucracy and profit oriented business with the blindness for technology which is not even tested properly. There is a shortage of good trades like blacksmits, coopers, carpenters, taylors, locksmiths and so on. In sixth grade, I was 12 years of age. I learned in school then Pitagora theory, which I can still calculate today, after 31 years. That's because I had a good teacher 😃, now goglegu took over the answers and not many are using the old school way. I think, respectfully, that's sad ☹️ no wonder we don't know anymore how those piramides are build and when.🤔
@bradanderson16272 жыл бұрын
Hope he didn't pay more then $500. It's a juck yard motor. Wow
@1brokenspoke1892 жыл бұрын
When you see silicon sealer on manifold faces you just know !
@sporty1960712 жыл бұрын
Everyone freshens up the motor then sells it cheap...
@eddieMurphy111112 жыл бұрын
why are people so dishonest about what should have been done than what has been done , it must be a night mare at times but thanks for the info and the video
@molsky132 жыл бұрын
It might be a boat anchor but its a cosworth so it must be worth good money
@ejgrant51912 жыл бұрын
Looking @ this from the USA....are caustic parts washers illegal in the UK? The scud on that lower outside part of the VR6 block.....This is a job of quality????? We use caustic high temprature "Jet Cleaners" in any quality USA shop....Before the motor is bored & honed and AFTER! boring/homing then thats followed by a regimine of bore cleaning using ATF fluid and lintless cleaning paper....
@hfraat252 жыл бұрын
the person who built it probably never expected it to be dismantled soon. Might want his gloves back. All done yes he has been. 😅
@vrbanana2 жыл бұрын
Looks like weld seal on the head gasket 👎🏻
@shammi81332 жыл бұрын
That was a bad deal the 205 something you could truly be upset about depending on the money involved.
@ambydaly57132 жыл бұрын
Please use a surface check machine to check surfaces . If the drawing spec. Says 63 micro. Finish then it’s no good using your finger nail. Retired toolmaker/ Qa inspector
@manxman80082 жыл бұрын
take apart, put same parts back together = rebuilt
@TheJensenInterceptor2 жыл бұрын
We have to trust our engine builders - Such a bad story - How can we rely on paying easily £5000 on an engine if somebody decides to do this to us !!!
@benwinter24202 жыл бұрын
I'm not mechanic either but will dabble
@theaustralianconundrum2 жыл бұрын
The old saying that there are "engineers" and then there are mechanics.
@richardriehle41592 жыл бұрын
smh . wow, that is horrid what some people will do.
@benwinter24202 жыл бұрын
looks like too much fun to be legal that orange thing
@jackmatthews28402 жыл бұрын
So a cosworth 205 block is not a good cAnidate for a high performance application? Thank you for your time. JM
@Jarrodthebusker2 жыл бұрын
Rebuilt with the Dulux by the looks of it..... unreal.
@iangrassby2 жыл бұрын
It must have been Bodge it and scarper that did the cozzy engine...
@KevinLee-ww3ny2 жыл бұрын
Just wish this was unusual 😕 Find a good shop (like your's) and stick with them.
@gothicpagan.6662 жыл бұрын
The world is full of day dreamers. The 500 hp yb, 175hp 1600x flow, 120hp 1380 mini, 200hp pinto. Yes it's achievable, not at the money you want to spend, and certainly not in a road going application. Unrealistic people are easy prey to the man that knows a little bit more than the man that wants that engine.
@chrisclarke63442 жыл бұрын
Off main topic do you not put a chamfer on the fresh bores to avoid a hot spot and make for easier piston fitting i could not see a chamfer on the tops of that vr6 block?
@peglegmotoring2 жыл бұрын
This is why I never buy engines that have supposedly had a ton of work and professional rebuild. The guy who's got you to look should've asked the seller to take the head off as a minimum to check the bores etc
@scottbrown74152 жыл бұрын
The price of any engine that cannot be fired up is a cheap lump as far as I am concerned.
@EugVR62 жыл бұрын
Never seen a rubber glove used in a head gaskit before!
@danmackintosh63252 жыл бұрын
Me neither, although I've seen Linoleum flooring used for one before... Land Rover 2.25 petrol, made it 3 or 4 miles.
@EugVR62 жыл бұрын
@@danmackintosh6325 😄😄
@WineScrounger2 жыл бұрын
@@danmackintosh6325 worth a try in a tight spot. I’ve seen them made of cardboard.
@brianholcomb64992 жыл бұрын
Thats not even a freshen up! I always tell people, if they don't know the engine, & they cannot pull the covers & plugs to check inside with a borescope, don't pay any more than you would for a block & head! I have seen engines that look really nice from the outside. They may even have some receipts for good parts bought for it! If they haven't seen it on a dyno, or seen it go down the track,[very recently] Its most likely just somebody's junk! Recently a customer bought what looked to be a nice Nitrous V8 engine, it was only a few years old & had valve covers w a well know engine builders name on it! Well, once it was taken apart, It had a Bryant crank, that was all welded up! The pistons were different,[not uncommon for a nitrous engine] & both heads had been extensively welded on![With valves that didn't match the good ones that were in it!] So my boss feeling bad for the customer called the well known builder & asked him what was up with this POS? The Original builder went in his computer & said yes he built it, But it left his shop @ the beginning of 2017 & he had never seen it again! I was glad to find out that the well known original builder didn't do butcher work like that! So needless to say, to make it right, it needs a new superexpensive crank & Basically start over with heads, Ti & Inconel valves, Pistons, ect, ect! So Basically he got a decent block, decent rods, nice Intake & carb, decent oiling system & valve covers! So by the time he is done making it a good engine again, he is not going to be far off of what he would have paid for a brand new piece! Would it have run, probably, but the way it was, there was no way it would have lived in competition! What really gets me, was the original builders name & phone number are right on the Fing valve covers! Why he didn't call him before he handed over a bunch of cash ??? Unfckingbelieveable! LOL Hope you had a good easter!
@chrismccartney86682 жыл бұрын
You have made my day I'm taking my outboard to bits and cleaning and repairing it I'm no mechanic but have fixed bike and outboards engines but at least it is not full of shit cos I've cleaned it out and won't be using araldite or rubber gloves put it back together just decent spanners and sockets and a torque wrench..and taking care to do it right cos it ain't my day job...
@Thatguy-nw4od2 жыл бұрын
you need a cnc mill !
@doncodman9132 жыл бұрын
11mm thread x 1.5 ?? ive never heard of that thread size ?? rgds Don
@marktiitto76162 жыл бұрын
Common head bolt thread
@doncodman9132 жыл бұрын
@@marktiitto7616 Well i never . I even looked in the Zues book (engineers info ) and it didnt mention it. Thanks for the info.
@anthonyspeters7203 Жыл бұрын
Many yrs ago l had triumph spitfire, had garage do rebuild on engine, they advise me to keep speed down to 40mph for first 200miles unfortunately l didn't heed advise damaged engine had to take it back for them to sort it out,guy that did work on engine quite rightly was very upset cos spent lot of time doing first class rebuild!l didn't ask for my money back or get it redone for free,was entirely my fault, unfortunately lot younger then ,early 20s! Very stupid of me not to follow advise!
@jimkalfakis98932 жыл бұрын
What?! A rubber glove? If I didn’t see it with my own eyes, I wouldn’t believe this. Not only did they not do the job, they fuckin made mess.
@alex79buckland2 жыл бұрын
Was it the old NA Pinto rod's and not early cosworth one's if so that's proper dodgy, was it a second hand buy or from a small workshop and could an engineer's report be done with the hopes of getting some money back?
@axlegrind42122 жыл бұрын
talks drills and taps in millimeters then says drill the hole about *an inch* deep...🤣
@extremeways29302 жыл бұрын
If I recall. All Cossie engines have a steel crank?
@Mark-jr3vk2 жыл бұрын
You mention quickly that standard head bolts aren't good for anything over standard pinto, what kind of bhp are we talking? Thanks.
@stage3muppet2 жыл бұрын
I cracked three 205 blocks in space of two years😂 alwasy cracked them up the bore