From the Vault: Argentine 1891 Mauser

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Brownells, Inc.

Brownells, Inc.

Жыл бұрын

It called his name as he walked through the Brownells retail store. What else could he do? Roy Hill, Senior Brand Communication Manager at Brownells, shows us his "new" Model 1891 Argentine Mauser. The 1891 is closely patterned after the path-breaking Model 1889 Belgian Mauser, which was the first Mauser to be chambered in a SMOKELESS powder cartridge, the 7.65x53mm Mauser, the same round the 1891 uses. Smokeless powder (nitrocellulose-based, as opposed to black powder) hit the military rifle world in 1886 with the French Lebel rifle. The 7.65x53 Mauser is very similar dimensionally to the 7.62x51 NATO, and its ballistics are very similar to the .308 Winchester.
The Argentine Mauser 1891 differs from the Belgian 1889 in having a simple wood handguard on top of the barrel instead of the 1889's large barrel jacket. The 1889 was the first mass-produced rifle to be loaded from stripper clips, which the 1891 retains. The 1891's 5-round single-stack magazine can be detached for cleaning, but it's not meant to be loaded by swapping mags like a modern AR-15. The "cock on closing" bolt requires extra oomph to close in order to cock the firing pin. (The "cock on opening" system would arrive on the Mauser 1898.)
We put "new" in quotes above because a 130-year-old rifle is hardly fresh off the production line, but Roy's gun sure looks brand new! Its parts have MATCHING serial numbers (even on the cleaning rod!) that indicate it was manufactured in 1896, so it has the improvements introduced to Argentine-pattern Mausers in 1893. These include a longer handguard, a retaining screw to prevent accidental opening of the magazine, and a steel-tipped cleaning rod instead of the original brass-tipped rod. The sights on Roy's gun are set up for use with 7.65x53mm ammo loaded with spitzer bullets, rather than the round-nose bullets of the early ammo.
The good news here is that the era of finding an unaltered original Mauser rifle in excellent condition, at a price the average workin' stiff can afford, is NOT over yet. You may have to look harder for these gems, but eventually one will call your name!

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@madaboutmilitaria3630
@madaboutmilitaria3630 Жыл бұрын
It’s in beautiful condition, congratulations.
@conservativesniperhunter7439
@conservativesniperhunter7439 Жыл бұрын
Nice find , I hope that you can video your range session shooting this fine old Mauser.
@zaca952
@zaca952 Жыл бұрын
Another early vs late feature is the bolt sleeve is Flanged in later rifles to improve gas shielding in the event of a failed cartridge, another feature in early rifles is that the extractor is 90 degrees to the bolt lugs and at an angle in later bolts, Mauser additionally sent replacement bolts for early rifles to prevent extractor breakage, it is unusual to find an early unupdated bolt
@johnqpublic2718
@johnqpublic2718 Жыл бұрын
That's very clean looking on screen. What a gem.
@grumpysowhat6998
@grumpysowhat6998 Жыл бұрын
I own a 7.65 Argentine mauser. I will have to pull it out and take a look @ it for all the points you brought up. If you are intrested, I’ll fill you in on my mauser. Be sure to have good ear protection when you shoot it. No recoil, but a lot of noise!
@user-dq8wf6wc8u
@user-dq8wf6wc8u Жыл бұрын
Very nice. I would recommend you slug the bore. Mine is .314”. I found some out of print Sierras in that diameter and they work fine. It “patterns” with .312”s. Good luck!
@johnmollet2637
@johnmollet2637 Жыл бұрын
Very nice find, enjoy it. Thanks for sharing it with us.
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 Жыл бұрын
Roy.....When I took my 1891 to the range, I could only fire it as a single shot because the fixed magazine lips were so tight that the cartridges would not chamber when the bolt was pushed forward. I tried to remove the magazine, but the various screws were frozen. I was finally able to remove the entire magazine assembly from the the rifle which took hours. It is so precision fit to the wood stock removing it and replacing it were terribly difficult. I could not remove the threaded screws with Kroil and heat over a period of days. I finally gave up and put it back together in the wood stock. Everything else about the rifle was excellent. I wish I could fix the magazine loading problem, but am at a loss on how to do it. ***** I just received new 7.65 Argentine and .303 British PPU ammo from GRAFS & SONS, an online company that sells ammo, and reloading supplies. I hope you get this message so you can get some ammo to shoot in your beautiful rifle. It should be a tack driver.
@jakeoutdoors9600
@jakeoutdoors9600 Жыл бұрын
That is a fantastic firearm. I am a fan of the cavalry version.
@justinweaver8787
@justinweaver8787 Жыл бұрын
Gorgeous rifle great find!!!
@jfruser
@jfruser Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your nifty old rifle.
@MrRufusjax
@MrRufusjax Жыл бұрын
Wow. Nice buy. I love those old military rifles from that era. Usually very nice craftsmanship and you own a piece of history. I love guns that have a story behind them. The early smokeless powder days leading up to the World Wars makes for some really cool firearms.
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Roy!
@emiliof.scozzina1238
@emiliof.scozzina1238 Жыл бұрын
El 7,65 x 54 mm un cartucho muy avanzado para la epoca. En las recargas con polvoras modernas se logran prestaciones superiores al 7,62 x 51mm (.308) y muy similares al 30.06. El tipo de puntas utilizadas son de trafil .311(Sierra). Saludos desde Argentina! Exelente su video.
@dualityofmorons
@dualityofmorons Жыл бұрын
Man I’ve been looking for one of those for a year! Congrats!!
@josephdipko2547
@josephdipko2547 Жыл бұрын
Very nice rifle with beautiful wood
@elliotjoseph6093
@elliotjoseph6093 Жыл бұрын
I love the smooth bolt action of the 1891 mauser
@jacobchaffin8681
@jacobchaffin8681 Жыл бұрын
That’s awesome! I looked at this rifle a few weeks ago when I was in the store.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 Жыл бұрын
These "From the Vault" videos give me a nostalgic, warm and fuzzy feeling. Please do one on the proprietary Herters firearms.
@theplinkerslodge6361
@theplinkerslodge6361 10 ай бұрын
Great share, great vid. I saw one at a gun show that had that flange screw to remove the magazine but short barrel cover - like an in-between evolutionary model, or one that maybe didn't have matching numbers. The bolt operated differently than yours, as well.
@jasoncastle4818
@jasoncastle4818 Жыл бұрын
Nice rifle Roy!
@qtheqman3341
@qtheqman3341 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful rifle, congrats!
@jasonbuck489
@jasonbuck489 Жыл бұрын
You said "Pretty Good Shape"... Hell, that thing is immaculate!....
@scottjones5455
@scottjones5455 Жыл бұрын
My dad had an Argentine 7.65 sniper rifle with a beautiful fiddle back stock. The bolt on his was spring loaded so all you had to do was tap up on the handle and the bolt sprang back with considerable force to eject a spent shell. He was quite a marksman with open sights.
@hphillips7425
@hphillips7425 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Good find
@richardkluesek4301
@richardkluesek4301 Жыл бұрын
That's real class !
@nebelwerfer199
@nebelwerfer199 Жыл бұрын
These shoot cast great.
@robertmoore254
@robertmoore254 Жыл бұрын
I am C&R collector and I have a very nice 1891. ser# D46XX. It was manufactured in 1893 by Loewe and has the brass tip cleaning rod and short handguard. I love these old rifles. They were made from wood and steel and not plastic.
@jamesbracken4618
@jamesbracken4618 Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@markmichelini6893
@markmichelini6893 Жыл бұрын
Have had an 1891 Argentine Mauser since 1977, I found ammo at the time in a pawn shop for $10. No such luck these days at that price. Sellier and Bellot were producing some good ammo a couple of years back, I resolved to load my own in 1986 when the prices were creeping to over $20 a box, could still find surplus ammo here and there. My rifle was sporterized a bit before it became part of my collection but still shoots very well. A unique Mauser to say the least.
@scabcrawler632
@scabcrawler632 Жыл бұрын
I would say mine is sporterized a little too. No serial number on the stock and no place for a cleaning rod. My serial number n is around 500 off from the one in the video
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 Жыл бұрын
I just received mine this morning with a brass handled bayonet and sheath. I will be cleaning them today. I have not been able to find any PPU ammo for this rifle for a long time, nor .303 British ammo. Coincidentally they both use the same 174 grain .311 diameter projectile. I think I have twelve 7.65 PPU cartridges from several years ago which I hope to shoot in my rifle next week.
@henrysara7716
@henrysara7716 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting rifle and history. Argentine also bought many rifles to resell to neighbors' countries with Mauser's approval, (with no Argentine marks) later on others in South America started to buy from Mauser and FN with different calibers.
@crherniman
@crherniman Жыл бұрын
This is a really great video. I got one of these and a 1909 from a friend. Mine is in same or maybe better condition. I also have the brass barrel cap. The numbers on mine all match and shows dated 1893. Finally got to take it out a week ago. It shoots fantastic. I just love it! any one have an idea on where the sling on this one is from? I'd like to add one to mine.
@chasedecroo4600
@chasedecroo4600 Жыл бұрын
I just picked up an 1891 Argy Cavalry carbine produced in 1893. The stock is from an Engineers carbine but it’s very good condition over all.
@scabcrawler632
@scabcrawler632 Жыл бұрын
My n serial numbered 1891 has no hand guard or brass muzzle cap or cleaning rod but i did find some 7 65 ammo at the same auction. Still shoots. Thanks for the video. I payed around $300 for it and it is pretty clean. Serial number n0961. We have twins
@S1L3NTG4M3R
@S1L3NTG4M3R Жыл бұрын
THANKS
@wreckanchor
@wreckanchor 11 ай бұрын
I freakin LOVE mil surplus bolt action rifles and have collected them for 35 years. I never dreamed some of the old mausers I bought for less than $100 back in the 1980's would be going for $500 to $1000 some day. Gun prices are crazy these days.
@darthzhoh3789
@darthzhoh3789 Жыл бұрын
What did you use to clean the cosmoline off of the wood?
@josephleary7086
@josephleary7086 Жыл бұрын
That’s a nice score there.
@dinahplacido5786
@dinahplacido5786 Жыл бұрын
Way better than my old one. Perfect height
@theblindsniper9130
@theblindsniper9130 Жыл бұрын
I actually have one of these that im putting up on my channel. I found the best way to get this ammo is pick up brass and load it yourself. My 1891 has some sporterization done to it, but it is way less sporterized than I thought, as it turns out the short upper handguard is an original piece.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 Жыл бұрын
Back in the 1960s M1891s were sold already mildly sporterized by the importer or distributor. You might have one of those.
@billpelican2773
@billpelican2773 10 ай бұрын
"pretty good shape" that's an understatement if I ever heard one
@fredgerdts5315
@fredgerdts5315 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned the Commission GEW 88. Do you have any additional information on them?
@johndilday1846
@johndilday1846 Жыл бұрын
Years ago, I suppose it was in the late 90’s, I got a spectacular 1909 Argentine cavalry carbine at a gun show. Not a reloaded, I thought, “How hard can it be to find ammunition for this beautiful carbine?”. At that time it turns out it was very hard. I got some ammunition, the correct size, which was 7.65 x 53 Argentine or Belgium. Unfortunately, I also found out that there was another 7.65 Argentine, one that was 7.65 x 54mm. I kid you not! My original carbine was made by DWM in Germany. I also found a refinished Argentine made cavalry carbine that was in not so good condition. I also bought a 1500 round case of “7.65 Argentine “ from a seller I located in Shotgun News. It turned out that this ammunition was the 7.65 x 54 variety, made in the Santa Barbara Arsenal, if I remember right. This stuff would not chamber in the beautiful German carbine, and the headspace on the Argentine made one was too large for it, as the rifle had a stretched chamber. The upshot was I wound up selling the German gun to a hand loader I knew, and I gave him the crummy ammo along with a warning to just pull the bullets and dump the rest. Nowadays, with the Internet, I would have kept the rifle and found the correct ammo. But just make sure that you check any ammo you find, and get a go/no go gauge to check the chamber of your great rifle. Enjoy.
@hoppinggnomethe4154
@hoppinggnomethe4154 Жыл бұрын
I've seen these at 2 of my local gun stores. 1 of them was already sold to somebody. It was in a better condition than the others. However, both of them aren't as great as the one shown in this video. The store that still has the Argentine Mauser also has a Swedish Mauser. If you guys want to buy them, you can visit Blackjack Gunsmithing in Austin, Texas.
@calebdoner
@calebdoner Жыл бұрын
6.5 swede ammo is at least a lot easier to find...
@lablover3112
@lablover3112 Жыл бұрын
I have B series and it has the detents on the sights all numbers matching brass end cleaning rod matching number
@davemalarik1394
@davemalarik1394 8 ай бұрын
I have almost the identical rifle. It was my first hunting rifle my dad gave me when I was 12 years old. 50 years later I still have it but likely 40 years since I shot it.
@seanomeirs8362
@seanomeirs8362 Жыл бұрын
I need help with an FN Peruvian Modelo 1935. I'm content to get 6" moa groups with the iron sights, but I would like to see what it's capable of, with a scope. I don't want to permanently alter it, so I would like to get a BAD ACE mount, but they haven't been able to help me without knowing what type of rear sight is on it.
@motopilot9009
@motopilot9009 Жыл бұрын
I have an 1891 Mauser. I had previously shot the 7.65 x 53 ammo. Bought some more and realized the ammo that I bought is stamped 7.65 x 54. It is longer by a little bit than the previous ammo but chambers fine. Is it safe to shoot in the 1891 F serial number?
@Battleaxegunner
@Battleaxegunner Жыл бұрын
I want one!
@Ben_not_10
@Ben_not_10 Жыл бұрын
Argentine mausers we’re made in two batches the first was from 1892-1896 all those guns will be marked “Ludwig Lowe Berlin”. The second batch was ordered in 1899 and production ran from 1899-1902, however Ludwig Lowe went through a restructuring and renaming after some controversy surrounding the 1888 Commission rifle and became DWM. All guns from the second contract will be marked “Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken Berlin”. So if you’re looking to buy one, the Lowe guns are all legally recognized as antiques, the DWM guns are C&R guns. Also the last 20,000 rifles Argentina couldn’t pay for so arranged to sell the rifles to their neighbor and ally Peru. So if someone tries to sell you an 1891 Peruvian rifle and it has a Lowe manufactures mark, it’s a fake. Edit: also all the guns from the first contract didn’t have the screw for the magazine, the bolt sleeve for the cocking piece and safet was modified to include two little wings to add as gas shields (looks like a ‘93 shroud), had a short handgaurd much like the Ottoman 1890, and had a different rear sight for the bottlenose 7.65x53 cartridge. The Argentinians modified their guns in service with those changes and when ordering the second batch requested those changes be placed on those rifles from the factory. Not all Argentine guns went through the upgrade process though. My 1891 Argentine Mauser was made in 1893, was marked for naval service, and the only modification my rifle had was to the rear sight for the Spitzer cartridge. You can find Lowe marked guns in both conditions but the unmodified ones seem to be more rare but not uncommon.
@RobertKeenanComp-U-Right
@RobertKeenanComp-U-Right Жыл бұрын
would have loved to see procedure to load ammo.
@hooks4nooks
@hooks4nooks Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. If a guy wanted to clean the cosmolin off of the intricacies of this rifle, would you recommend disassembling the rifle? And how would a guy get the info to do this. If you can help, that would be great.
@samiam619
@samiam619 Жыл бұрын
It’s been a month. Did you try searching YT for info?
@hooks4nooks
@hooks4nooks Жыл бұрын
@@samiam619 yes, I found a fantastic video on disassembling the 1891 Argentine. All set.
@nickprague1481
@nickprague1481 Жыл бұрын
Any info on serial numbers for each year?
@lennon1252
@lennon1252 2 ай бұрын
How can you identify the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser? Are there any markings on the barrel that say '7.65 Mauser'?
@agbcrartsora6918
@agbcrartsora6918 Жыл бұрын
How you compare this rifle against the Chilean 1895? I saw a chilean 1895 in mint condition and I’m tented to buy it. Are any good?
@garypiont6114
@garypiont6114 8 ай бұрын
Not even close. The quality is superb on the argentine
@kcstott
@kcstott Жыл бұрын
I had a DWM berlin 1891 Argentine, It was already bubba'd so I put a scope on it and shot the snot out of it. I later tore it down and rebuilt it in .220 swift, everything new, and even put a 3 position safety. Mine is T6329
@YellowHammer26
@YellowHammer26 Жыл бұрын
👍👍nice
@samuelpope7798
@samuelpope7798 Жыл бұрын
Very easy to convert 30 06 brass. No special tool other than reloading dies. Also no fire forming required and converted brass is very close dimension unlike most other Mauser brass conversions.
@stopit9184
@stopit9184 7 ай бұрын
Can some please comment on what the value is in great condition?
@JermInTheSouth
@JermInTheSouth Жыл бұрын
Looks nice though looks like the Argentina roll mark was scrubbed off
@mvurquiza
@mvurquiza Жыл бұрын
Muzzle cap is not correct. Nice rifle, unfortunately seems it's missing the crest.
@SauerkrautIsGood
@SauerkrautIsGood Жыл бұрын
I've never seen one of these with an intact crest. When Argentina surplused these after upgrading to M98 pattern Mausers in 1909, they removed the crests. It's a real shame, because they were probably one of the most gorgeous crests out there. The aforementioned M1909 Argentine mausers still have intact crests.
@mvurquiza
@mvurquiza Жыл бұрын
@@SauerkrautIsGood i can show you two. They do exist.
@philliplarson8005
@philliplarson8005 Жыл бұрын
The only ammo I could get for mine ,other than surplus, came from Norma.
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Жыл бұрын
No change from the late 70's.
@rutledge9016
@rutledge9016 Жыл бұрын
this was my dads colorado deer rifle still have it hunting at billys willys ranch with sleepy cat lounge somewhere in colorado with cap willis teising bros lee hunter from vincennes in so mode it be big jim
@MegaRiffraff
@MegaRiffraff Жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@samiam619
@samiam619 Жыл бұрын
IIRC, the wire holding the upper hand guard is supposed to be copper wire…
@MikeA817
@MikeA817 Жыл бұрын
As much as I like Steve, Keith, and Caleb doing From the Vault videos, I really liked ol' possumfatback Roy Hill doing this one
@gunsandcars3648
@gunsandcars3648 Жыл бұрын
love mine, 6.5, think its a parade or civil authority model.
@ItchyPilauBoto
@ItchyPilauBoto Жыл бұрын
Does it have chrome plating? Mine does its kinda weird
@x1pyroveride
@x1pyroveride Жыл бұрын
my S/N is N6000!
@shaundoodles
@shaundoodles Жыл бұрын
The magazine is not detachable, or not easily detachable. I guess it can be done with a screw driver.
@samiam619
@samiam619 Жыл бұрын
THIS is the comment I’ve been looking for. Without taking mine out of the safe, I said to myself: “Self, he’s wrong about the detachable magazine“!
@Burningwhisky96
@Burningwhisky96 10 ай бұрын
my 1891 had a german ladder sight, im betting its a Peruvian Mauser
@cashus68
@cashus68 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much could you help me i have one i picked up in 1987 i love it # N 9240 matching 🙂
@donniemartindale7959
@donniemartindale7959 7 ай бұрын
Amunition.
@onionhead5780
@onionhead5780 Жыл бұрын
I received one of these 1891 Argentinian Mausers from an uncle when I was a kid but it was sporterized and converted into a hunting rifle at some point prior to me getting it. Ruined it imo. Still have it though.
@shawnparrish1999
@shawnparrish1999 Жыл бұрын
I hear this is a model 1891... about 20 times I hear this.
@chrishaston9232
@chrishaston9232 7 ай бұрын
So his sin starts with n mine starts with an A
@johnaden7473
@johnaden7473 Жыл бұрын
The Japanese copied this and it became the Arisaka
@kitwalker520
@kitwalker520 Жыл бұрын
Had one, donated to NRA museum - poor condition
@stormieslayton536
@stormieslayton536 6 ай бұрын
My dad has the 1891 Argentine that I'm tryna get off him but he being stingy.😂
@StormOps209
@StormOps209 Жыл бұрын
First
@johnqpublic2718
@johnqpublic2718 Жыл бұрын
Stop it. Get some help.
@StormOps209
@StormOps209 Жыл бұрын
be a good parent quit it
@robertscott2210
@robertscott2210 Жыл бұрын
Roy, bring back the fake news reports!
@alcidestappero4350
@alcidestappero4350 9 ай бұрын
El mejor fusil de la historia mauser 7.65 x 53 Argentino el mejor de la historia !!!!!!!!
@user-xq7gu2pq4d
@user-xq7gu2pq4d Жыл бұрын
可以哦
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