From the Vault: Winchester-Built M1917 Enfield Rifle

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Brownells, Inc.

Brownells, Inc.

3 жыл бұрын

Brownells Gun Tech™ Caleb Savant dug into his own vault and found this Model of 1917 Enfield rifle built by Winchester. The M1917 is a British Pattern 1914 Enfield (P14) chambered in .30-06 Springfield instead of .303 British. During World War I, Winchester and other American gun makers built a lot of P14 Enfields for the British army. When the U.S. entered the war in 1917, production of M1903 Springfields couldn't be ramped up quickly enough, so the most expedient way to manufacture enough rifles for the newly recruited Doughboys was to crank up production of Americanized Enfields. The M1917 is more than robust enough to handle the .30-06 cartridge and go toe-to-toe with the German Mauser 98. The sturdy front sight is machined from one piece of steel, and typical for the period, the full-length wood stock completely envelopes the barrel. The steel wings that protect the aperture rear sight are actually machined as part of the receiver itself. A flip-up ladder extension is adjustable for targets out to 1,600 meters. Given its length, the M1917 Enfield is not a good CQB rifle, but it is an excellent weapon for lobbing volley fire over the trenches to keep the enemy pinned down. The M1917's safety functions only when the firing pin is cocked, and it actually disconnects the trigger from the sear - far more reliable than the typical trigger-blocking safety.

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@afinoxi
@afinoxi 3 жыл бұрын
Othais and Mae : **heavy breathing** Can you send us bolt pics
@ronroche3138
@ronroche3138 11 ай бұрын
😂
@scottemmert3845
@scottemmert3845 6 ай бұрын
❤🤣👍
@roykiefer7713
@roykiefer7713 3 жыл бұрын
I believe both the M1903 Springfield and the M1917 were absolutely excellent World War I infantry weapons and, of course, both fired the .30-06 cartridge. However, I’d really like your guys to produce a shot video where you compare and contrast these two - top-level similar, but unique designs - weapons. Thanks.
@half-dead877
@half-dead877 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see what Steve and Caleb have in their personal vault. That would be neat i think
@RememberPele
@RememberPele 3 жыл бұрын
i'd like to know their credit card and social security information
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 2 жыл бұрын
I love my Winchester Model of 1917...I bought it in 1968 for $45.....I was only 15 at the time, got my dad to do the purchase....I still have love Her...
@georgewashington7312
@georgewashington7312 3 жыл бұрын
Best Enfield ever made.
@JohnCBobcat
@JohnCBobcat 3 жыл бұрын
@E No windage-adjustable rear sight. Means you can't shoot Camp Perry matches with it. Plus it wasn't invented by the Ordnance Corps or the Federal Armories. That it's a better rifle for actual field shooting, albeit a bit heavier and longer, wasn't the focus.
@badmoon7549
@badmoon7549 3 жыл бұрын
That one is in very nice shape. 30-06 an American icon.
@Terran994
@Terran994 3 жыл бұрын
Winchester built 1917s are the rarest of the 3 manufacturers. I have one myself
@catskinner3254
@catskinner3254 3 жыл бұрын
It's also more accurate than the 1903, and the rifle that Sargent York used.
@squidy4082
@squidy4082 2 жыл бұрын
How is it more accurate?
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 2 жыл бұрын
@@squidy4082 much longer distance between sights [sight picture] and it is a peep sight and not a v notch.....and the barrel is 2 inches long I believe...
@jayhaddan7927
@jayhaddan7927 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s not proved what gun he used during his feets. He wouldn’t even say himself. All he said was he didn’t like the sights on the m1917. Nobody’s knows the truth
@ChileMiPais
@ChileMiPais 2 жыл бұрын
My Model 1917 #235081 also a winchester build. Still in original condition. Love it.
@yokoshemp
@yokoshemp 3 жыл бұрын
One of the finest rifles ever made.... for a young man that is. I owned a couple. One original in '06 and the other customed into a belted magnum with a nice stock. Found the custom on a used gun rack and paid $150 for it... never mind what year that was sonnie boy. The '17 Enfield shoots as quick as an automatic with just a little practice. Downside is the original weighed a ton... twice the weight of my newer hunting rifles. Second only to a Garand as battle rifles go... fine big chunk of pointy stick on one end and caveman club on the other... you can also shoot things with it.
@normskvarca
@normskvarca 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Caleb, Thanks!
@theol3199
@theol3199 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 1917, eddystone mfg, all matching still blued, 9/17 barrel. Lovely shooter. Brownells owes the 1917, Mauser, Springfield, etc a lot, back when brownells was called “the gunsmiths mart” these were being sold by the dcm for cheap, and many a sporter some nice and some not nice were made out of these.
@AMX86
@AMX86 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Remington P17...great rifle, well built slick action, durable and accurate.
@JM-jv7ps
@JM-jv7ps 3 жыл бұрын
It's an M1917, it's not a British rifle, it's American
@RollingRigTraction
@RollingRigTraction 3 жыл бұрын
@@JM-jv7ps has still long been called a P17 despite the M1917 military designation, that doesn't make it British by any means.
@DelGTAGrndrs
@DelGTAGrndrs 3 жыл бұрын
@@RollingRigTraction agreed OP is actually more correct seeing as we ripped the entire design off the brits. It’s not American nor is it an Enfield. It’s a Pattern 14 rifle based off of the Mauser design with slight similarities to an Enfield...
@frankatchison2519
@frankatchison2519 2 жыл бұрын
The P.13 was unreal as far as accuracy + ALSO the cartridge was as accurate as a .300 mag at 1000 yard's. So "hot" it melted the bbl's (look it up) they were all sniper rifle's. They just switched it back to .303 so they didn't have to change the caliber. Identical to the Pattern 14 other than Caliber. I read the British wouldn't adopt it in SMLE name, yes the action was almost Identical to the M.98 mauser ( the most accurate bolt action to ever be designed)👍😉✳
@frankatchison2519
@frankatchison2519 2 жыл бұрын
@@JM-jv7ps Made by Winchester/ Remington or ...Ithaca I believe.
@alancarr3381
@alancarr3381 3 жыл бұрын
So want an eddystone version.
@johnkeisterelquattro2553
@johnkeisterelquattro2553 Ай бұрын
And it’s also a 6+1 capacity which is pretty cool!!
@wisconsin9009
@wisconsin9009 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, I’ve had mine passed down from my grandfather didn’t know much about it other then it’s a great shooter
@YellowHammer26
@YellowHammer26 3 жыл бұрын
Great rifle, thanks for sharing.
@NorthwoodsShooter
@NorthwoodsShooter 3 жыл бұрын
I love that rifle stand!
@kencurtis508
@kencurtis508 3 жыл бұрын
My most favourable action and rifle. I own two m17’s, Canadian issue, five p14’s, and also custom rifles built on this action, 303 Br., 30/06, 300 win mag. 375 H&H, 270 win, 30/338 and 308 win, HB. Greatest rifle ever made in my mind. Thanks for the great video.
@3ducs
@3ducs 3 жыл бұрын
The P1917 bayonet is quite a piece of steel, it also fits the Winchester WWI shotguns.
@ericeells8339
@ericeells8339 3 жыл бұрын
What a great rifle! I really enjoy shooting this rifle and she's a beauty to look at!
@melchung1566
@melchung1566 3 жыл бұрын
I got a couple of these and Pattern 14. Build up a 458 win mag. thanks for video!
@robertmendez2548
@robertmendez2548 3 жыл бұрын
Sergeant York's service rifle I've got a Eddystone version great rifles...
@GCJT1949
@GCJT1949 3 жыл бұрын
Sources say York traded to get a 1903, he didn't like the sights on the M1917. Geoff Who notes FWIW.
@marcswanson7066
@marcswanson7066 3 жыл бұрын
A number of years ago I purchased a very well preserved Remington made P14 chambered for .303. I'm glad you made mention of the rear sight and concur it's above average in robustness and quality. I've never had a problem with either loading or ejection regard the rifle to be very accurate. The only negative is that it's a little heavy when compared to modern weapons although probably about average for bolt action combat rifles from that period. Some might consider it pretty.
@larrycummings7300
@larrycummings7300 3 жыл бұрын
Got one in the safe. A Christmas gift from my son.
@williamwallace6817
@williamwallace6817 3 жыл бұрын
You have a very good son!
@JustinLodes
@JustinLodes 6 ай бұрын
I had 2 of these rifles. One disappeared the other I unfortunately gave the bolt to a friend who said they could have someone look at to fix. Never got it back but still had the rifle which I stupidly sold to a gun dealer back in 2014 for 100 dollars when I was moving and downsizing what I had. Wish I still had both guns. They were pretty cool. My sister and her friend actually stole them from a bar in New York and gave them both to me. I was about 16 at the time. Very heavy guns but very cool. You can tell how well they were made and machined
@MAGAMAN
@MAGAMAN 3 жыл бұрын
Did you know there is a 1917 Winchester drive in Texas? Love this state more and more every day.
@MSWeaponsChannel
@MSWeaponsChannel 3 жыл бұрын
I have an all original parts and blued 1918 Remington Model 1917. One of the prides of my collection.
@justinweaver8787
@justinweaver8787 3 жыл бұрын
Love that rifle
@cheesenoodles8316
@cheesenoodles8316 7 ай бұрын
Great rifle, takes a really cool bayonet
@DC9716
@DC9716 3 жыл бұрын
He said the rear sight adjusted out to 1,600 meters. I am not an expert but I think sights were set up for yards in those days. I don't think we went to meters until we joined NATO. If I am mistaken please let me know.
@Suebian53
@Suebian53 3 жыл бұрын
They're phenomenal rifles. I've taken my Winchester M1917 out to 1000 yards.
@timhatchett7048
@timhatchett7048 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet
@DeathGrunt666
@DeathGrunt666 2 ай бұрын
I like how kinda cowboyish it looks. It’s got a good blend of military look yet very solid American look to it. Something any farm/ranch boy from Montana or elsewhere could train on and shoot great. Just a tasteful solid reliable look. Probably went well with the uniform hat and all
@karlthistle1501
@karlthistle1501 3 жыл бұрын
Also has dock on closing and continued round feed same as model 98 mauser.
@noahcount7132
@noahcount7132 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to learn more about the "things" Caleb alluded to that were "like the Boer War."
@tt600pch
@tt600pch 3 жыл бұрын
As a guy that owns a Winchester and a son with an Eddystome, I do have some insight on the safety. Both rifles are sporterized. The Eddystone is 264 Winchester Magnum done in 1959. Mine is a 300 Winchester Magnum with rechambering of original barrel in 1995. If a person is excited or rushed while taking the safety off it can be a problem. If the safety is NOT flipped all the way forward and the trigger is pulled, it will NOT fire, BUT flipping the rest of the way forward WILL fire the chambered round. I have done it with both rifles. I am curious if it is limited to the 2 rifles we have or if others have done it as well. With an unloaded rifle flip the safety about halfway, pull the trigger, then without touching the trigger see if flipping the safety forward will release the firing pin. Both rifles are tack drivers and beautifully stocked in walnut.
@squidy4082
@squidy4082 2 жыл бұрын
I really understand the need for the kar98 because that rifle is long af
@GCJT1949
@GCJT1949 3 жыл бұрын
The Winchester P14 parts were not always interchangeable with those rifles from the other two US Sources. Did they fix that with the M1917? You might have noted the M1917 can hold 7 rounds of .30-06 as opposed to 5 rounds of .303 in the P14, rimless advantage. Geoff Who remembers an Old Ohio Farmer, who kept one into the 1960s, and some folks claim it's the best Bolt Action Battle Rifle EVER!
@wgs6606
@wgs6606 3 жыл бұрын
Caleb can hold his own without Steve the Classy Wisconsinite. Good vid.
@jimdavenport8020
@jimdavenport8020 3 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly, Winchester manufactured 1917s had parts that would not interchange with Remington and Eddystone manufactured rifles. This led General Pershing to direct that Winchester 1917s not be deployed to France. This caused a great deal of hate and discontent between Winchester and the War Department and, I believe, led to a Winchester Bankruptcy filing. Also I read in a book 'Winchester, The Way it Was' about the New Haven factory, that sometime in the 1950s or '60s they were clearing out a warehouse and found several cases of P-17s NIB that they sold to employees for something like $3.00 each!
@phatforrest
@phatforrest 3 жыл бұрын
Are those the ones with stars stamped on the recievers?
@pb68slab18
@pb68slab18 10 ай бұрын
Yes, circle/star on the left side were ordered not to be deployed because of parts interchangeability problems.@@phatforrest
@Adam-su2jj
@Adam-su2jj 3 жыл бұрын
I gotta find me one of these.
@user-ho4nw5sf3w
@user-ho4nw5sf3w 6 ай бұрын
The U.S. soldier of WW1 was the best armed soldiers . Issued a rifle in 30-06 and either an auto loading .45 acp. Pistol or one of two very find double action revolvers chamber for .45acp. made by Colt or S&W.
@brentnunn7031
@brentnunn7031 3 жыл бұрын
I have one but it’s a eddystone!
@wagonlife2778
@wagonlife2778 2 жыл бұрын
Found a 1917 winchester in my friends basement rafters and gave him 100 bucks for it,it's all original too never been cut,no bayonet though,gun is in good shape too
@mistergrendel32
@mistergrendel32 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool rifle Caleb! I think I need one. Any idea what the going price for one would be? 🤓 Thanks
@craigpennington1251
@craigpennington1251 Жыл бұрын
I had the Winchester and the Eddystone. The Eddystone was a superior rifle in every respect. Both of my guns were in 3006 cal. These are tack drivers without scopes. Would like to see these made again. Exactly like the originals.
@joeruiz4010
@joeruiz4010 Жыл бұрын
Why were the Eddystones superior? Are the Winchester Produced 1917s just junk?
@tangero3462
@tangero3462 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful example, fairly late production for Winchester. If any of y'all want one of these, now is the time because they're not getting any cheaper, and there are plenty on the market
@sanguinemoon9201
@sanguinemoon9201 3 жыл бұрын
Best way to clear a room is with a grenade. ROE usually do not allow for that.
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking Air Strike and take out the whole building.
@moparproud3978
@moparproud3978 3 жыл бұрын
She’s a beauty! My brother has an Enfield .308 and it’s one of the nicer guns I’ve shot
@awells444
@awells444 3 жыл бұрын
And if you sporterize it, Gun Jesus will not be happy.
@NorthwoodsShooter
@NorthwoodsShooter 3 жыл бұрын
Nor will Gun Grandpa.
@albinmoore7214
@albinmoore7214 Жыл бұрын
The sling swivel is offset. Should the long side be to the bolt side?
@mattmcgraw8975
@mattmcgraw8975 3 жыл бұрын
Winchester is not the only one that made this rifle is also made by Remington and Eddie stone which is a sub place of Remington and they are all machine inspected the parts to enter swap
@RollingRigTraction
@RollingRigTraction 3 жыл бұрын
The cock on close feature is extremely smooth and fast also to boot. The Winchester made M1917 was the best quality of the three manufacturers; Winchester(produced the least), Remington(produced the second most), and Eddystone(who produced the most).
@hnangell
@hnangell 3 жыл бұрын
the Brits found out AFTER WWI that the P-14 made by Winchesster was the most accurate and best made of the three manufacturers. They built ALL of their designated sniper rifles out of ONLY Winchester P-14s up until WWII.
@stevecochran2677
@stevecochran2677 3 жыл бұрын
I have one thats been sporterized. I would like to put original walnut wood back on it. Do you have the wood furniture for these or any whole rifle?
@700NitroXpress
@700NitroXpress 3 жыл бұрын
How many rifles did Winchester produce during the manufacturing period?
@Rhythmicons
@Rhythmicons 2 жыл бұрын
I see that bazooka in the safe there.
@alswann2702
@alswann2702 3 жыл бұрын
It's my dad's old Eddystone. Sticky bolt and all?
@331Grabber
@331Grabber Жыл бұрын
I found one for sale in a place I travel to. It's a Winchester 1917. It looks awesome. But a little afraid of buying a 105 year old rifle. Going to go back with a better bore light and a bore snake to see if it's worth buying. Any advice what else to look for? I think it's original 1917 Barrel. Manufactured in September 1917
@Deamon93IT
@Deamon93IT 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't know that the US used Enfields. Then again considering how late in the war the US joined makes sense, although could make things a little awkward logistically if used in conjunction with the Springfields (at least I don't think they had much in common, being closer to the Mk III SMLE than the Springfield)
@JohnCBobcat
@JohnCBobcat 3 жыл бұрын
M1917 "Enfield" rifles have more in common with the M1903 Springfield than the SMLE. Both the '17 and '03 are Mauser-derived actions with front locking lugs. Biggest plus to the '17 is the vastly better rear aperture sights, followed by the magazine that holds 6 instead of 5. IMO the M1917 should have been retained post-WW1 as the US primary service rifle--and we had a couple million more of them already on hand than we did M1903 rifles. Wasn't until 1942 when the M1903A3 was rushed into existence that the 03 caught up to the M1917's sights.
@centermass4552
@centermass4552 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Remington-made one in my safe now in much better shape than that. When I married my wife, my father in law, who is a hunter but didnt know about surplus guns, had this rifle he was going to sporterize into a hunting rifle. I saw it, the shape it was in and said you absolutely are not and squirreled it away to my safe and collection.
@Vergil598
@Vergil598 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if any of these were converted to sniper rifles with scopes?
@tonymorris9931
@tonymorris9931 3 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between a U.S. 1917 and U.S. CF1917?
@cohenj87
@cohenj87 3 жыл бұрын
I was given one of these by my Father but unfortunately it was already sporterized :(
@RollingRigTraction
@RollingRigTraction 3 жыл бұрын
It's difficult to find an unmolested one. Had a Remington someone had machined the ears and rear sights off and replaced with Williams hooded front post with shortened barrel and aperture rear mounted to the bolt release. The rear shifts constantly. The receiver had been drilled but never completed and the stock was butchered. I found a Winchester that was almost complete but the upper wood was missing and the forend was shortened but the barrel and sights were completely untouched and it shoots great! Either kick like a bloody mule with that steel butt plate! I am happy I never served in WWI shooting such a rifle with that butt plate in combat. My days with the M14 in the Navy weren't nearly comparable!
@jacobraed8324
@jacobraed8324 11 ай бұрын
كم قياس الرصاص ؟
@barrychandler5250
@barrychandler5250 6 ай бұрын
Why is there two different size firing pins marked "W" for the 1917 Enfield.
@funkla65
@funkla65 3 жыл бұрын
Capable of being great shooters. Have an Eddystone - fitted a smaller aperture to the long range sight to sharpen the front sight, and could keep 168 Matchkings under 2 moa. Lasered a coyote at 295 one day and dropped him through the middle of the rib cage.
@bobwise1347
@bobwise1347 3 жыл бұрын
i have one of these by eddystone
@gsuite5011
@gsuite5011 3 жыл бұрын
can caleb read us a bedtime story next
@solidsnake902
@solidsnake902 3 жыл бұрын
They also cock on close as opposed to most US rifles that cock the hammer on open of the bolt
@gpclipner
@gpclipner 7 ай бұрын
The site is in yards and not meters
@vincentrufolo6943
@vincentrufolo6943 2 жыл бұрын
would you sell it
@roybartran6756
@roybartran6756 3 жыл бұрын
Didnt that great American Alvin York carry this rifle that earned him the MEDAL OF HONOR....
@robertshoemaker6204
@robertshoemaker6204 8 ай бұрын
1600 yards not meters....M14 first US weapon in meters...
@classicgunstoday1972
@classicgunstoday1972 3 жыл бұрын
1600 meters or 1600 yards? I always understood it was yards. American and British did not use the European metric system.
@glockparaastra
@glockparaastra 3 жыл бұрын
As die boere scopes op hulle 303’s gehad het, het die Queen nou Afrikaans gepraat!
@olhemi1
@olhemi1 3 жыл бұрын
🙂☕👍
@notsure1686
@notsure1686 3 жыл бұрын
I think I have a bayonet for this rifle in my... Don't have the rifle though.
@bobwise1347
@bobwise1347 3 жыл бұрын
an original bayonet is worth as much as the rifle
@notsure1686
@notsure1686 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobwise1347 I honestly don't know what rifle the bayonet goes too, but I got another bayonet that looks like it's from the Civil War era.
@ugotta.luvone.
@ugotta.luvone. 10 ай бұрын
🧃🧃
@txtifosi
@txtifosi 3 жыл бұрын
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