FSR 3 vs DLSS 3 A/B Testing and Thoughts on FSR 3 so far!!!

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FSR 3 is out and I've been playing with it all weekend in Immortals of Aveum on a RX 7900 XTX switching frame gen on and off, and also switching to a second PC running an RTX 4080 with DLSS 3 Frame Gen to allow quick A/B testing. Here's my thoughts on my experience. I also test out a bit of Forspoken, where I don't like the experience as much. I also take a quick look at FSR 3 on an RX 6700 XT.
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Chapters:
0:00 FSR 3 7900 XTX vs DLSS 3 RTX 4080 AB Comparison setup
1:17 There is no good way to show high refresh rate gaming on KZfaq
1:49 FSR 3 should have v-sync on for frame pacing
2:10 Ignore the crazy frametime graph, this is documented expected behavior
2:27 What are we looking for as a "win" for frame generation?
3:27 FSR 3 Frame Gen seems to disable FreeSync
4:40 FSR 3 FrameGen OFF 7900 XTX Immortals of Aveum
4:56 FSR 3 FrameGen ON 7900 XTX Immortals of Aveum
5:18 Would I rather play with Frame Gen on or off in Immortals of Aveum?
6:13 How does this compare to RTX 4080 w/DLSS 3 Frame Gen?
9:56 DLSS 3 Frame Gen "garbles" the menus and FSR 3 Frame Gen doesn't
10:56 I don't like it in Forspoken nearly as much (7900 XTX)
14:18 I prefer FSR 3 Frame Gen off in Forspoken, but on in Immortals of Aveum
15:45 RX 6700 XT tested in Immortals of Aveum
19:55 RX 6700 XT tested in Forspoken
20:45 RX 6700 XT same conclusion
21:35 Overall thoughts on FSR3 so far
22:38 What did you think about the 120FPS camera capture vs screen capture?
23:12 I'd like to test some more GPUs in videos soon

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@danielowentech 8 ай бұрын

I'm curious what you all think about the 120FPS camera capture (but then KZfaq obviously degrades it to 60FPS when you watch it). There really is no good way to show what the actual experience is like in a KZfaq video, but I thought I'd try this out for this one and see how it went.

@ARedditor397 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your amazing testing

@lesserlogic9977 8 ай бұрын

In the first example it did seem slightly smoother

@teddyholiday8038 8 ай бұрын

Vsync should be forced on in NVCP with frame Gen. Nvidia has said this numerous times.

@danielowentech 8 ай бұрын

@@teddyholiday8038correct, but it is disabled in game menus, and works with gsync. Whereas fsr 3 uses vsync in game and at least appears to disable freesync given what my monitor is reporting.

@lesserlogic9977 8 ай бұрын

"Garbling is the technical term" sarcastically lol

@quise8580 8 ай бұрын

My guy Daniel going hard and delivering us some great videos and information while being a teacher full time

@ToddandRaquiForrest 8 ай бұрын

Yes this! While big tech sites with large staffs ignore fsr 3.

@MarioGoatse 8 ай бұрын

And father! The man is a beast. Nobody is putting out the type of FSR3 content that he is.

@cmeier360 8 ай бұрын

@@ToddandRaquiForrest To be fair, FSR3 is just in 3 games and AMD is notorious for having bad drivers early but becoming better over time.

@dextris3537 8 ай бұрын

You took the words right out of my head dude!

@amzensix2950 8 ай бұрын

You can look in his eyes that he looked really tired

@drumyogi9281 8 ай бұрын

You are in your personal spring from the looks of it, Daniel. A growing channel, a father and husband, a school teacher… You are killin’ it man. I need to get on mine. I have been slacking.

@myfavoritemusic2428 8 ай бұрын

It’s so cool to see someone growing as a video producer at such record pace. Seriously, the amount that Daniel has improved in such little time is nothing short of astounding. Doing all of this WHILE being a full-time teacher and having a family with children is honestly so commendable and gives me so much hope for the future.

@19deltascout43 8 ай бұрын

Who says shit like this to another man

@lntercooler 8 ай бұрын

@@19deltascout43fragile masculinity

@amoonhead 8 ай бұрын

@@19deltascout43 Better, more confident men than you

@19deltascout43 8 ай бұрын

@@amoonhead 😆 🤣

@denisruskin348 8 ай бұрын

Surprised that even with the video being 60fps, the difference is easy to spot between 70-120 fps with the 120fps capture card. Nice one, Daniel.

@SenorWhyME 8 ай бұрын

well it makes sense because if a video is at 60hz, 120 double of 60, 70 fps you will notice issues on 60hz

@codymadison9993 8 ай бұрын

Yeah those jumps aren’t from the framerate. Played plenty of games at 60fps and never had those stutters or jumps. Is a sync/response time issue I think.

@MultiYippee 8 ай бұрын

@@codymadison9993definitely. FSR 3 needs to work in VRR mode for this to be solved IMO. Turning off Freesync on my 144 Hz monitor gives the same kind of frame pacing issues observed with FSR 3, so I bet once that is done, FSR 3 FG will looks nice and smooth.

@zlaz3rwatch 8 ай бұрын

Quick tip Daniel, when you hold the "0" button down, you get access to the short cut menu. You can then bind HDMI input to button 1, and hdmi input 2 to button 2, that way you can swtich betwen inputs by just holding 1 or 2 for a few seconds, instead of going back and forth between the menu bar.

@OgoidRei 8 ай бұрын

thanks for the tip, didn't know about this short cut. Any other LG tv tips that you would like to share?

@razorhanny 8 ай бұрын

@@OgoidReiif you hold the gear button you'll go straight to the full settings menu.

@NeovanGoth 8 ай бұрын

Oooh, thank you! It works! :D

@jayclarke777 8 ай бұрын

@@OgoidReiNot sure about the C2. But on the LG C1, you can hit the button combination 1113111 for a secret menu. I've also done this on my LG phone.

@Clawson12g 8 ай бұрын

We appreciate your hard work with testing all of this, as well as balancing your work and parenting life! 👏

@lordseph 8 ай бұрын

Daniel, your content has grown by leaps and bounds! I still remember watching your content when you started during the GPU apocalypse and you have leveled up with every video! Congrats on your success!

@MarioGoatse 8 ай бұрын

If the kids aren’t having fun in the background, then it’s just not an Iconic Daniel Owen Production. Thanks for the testing Daniel. You’ve been the best source for FSR3 analysis by far. Appreciate you, mate. Cheers

@kentuckymakers1 8 ай бұрын

I appreciate the time and effort you put in to testing both team green and red. Very helpful for people who are not as aware of the technical specs. I'm on a 3080 but as this new gen tech keeps evolving it's nice that you take the time to delve into the intricacies of both. Thank you!

@munton5150 8 ай бұрын

You and Hardware Unboxed are my fave channels for this stuff. So much hard work and very much appreciated. My 3080 and 6950 thank you.

@lowstandar 8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Love your passion; it shows in the quality of your vids

@letsgoiowa 8 ай бұрын

Hi Daniel, let me just tell you how much I appreciate the hard work you're going to in order to show us the REAL implications of exciting new tech. As a fellow busy dad I get the struggle and am really grateful for this.

@CFNikosT 8 ай бұрын

You 're delivering excellent content! Thanks for every detail you 're sharing with us!

@Griftercash 8 ай бұрын

This video is great, and always is good to hear your opinion and impressions!

@socialistape629 8 ай бұрын

Awesome video thank you ! I have learned more from your videos than any big channel. Your teacher skills are showing

@joeyr184 8 ай бұрын

Well done to you. Im still waiting for hardware unboxed, Digital foundry, and Gamer Nexus to even mention Fsr 3. You're doing a great job.

@djayjp 8 ай бұрын

Great content! Love your dedication to graphics!

@191desperado 8 ай бұрын

Daniel on the left has a few more jaggies than the one on the right, but Daniel on the right is tearing. Seriously though I like this Off-screen capture. Feels more real than direct capture. Thanks for all the day 1 FSR 3 info! Not many creators felt like working over the weekend for this lol.

@Overlord1241 8 ай бұрын

Very in depth review. Thanks for including 6700xt 😊

@klunamactuna374 8 ай бұрын

120fps capture definitely helps to see the difference in smoothness.

@Jeannemarre 8 ай бұрын

Pro tip: you can SHOW THE 120FPS difference by slowing down the clip by 2x this gives us the ability to see the difference in FPS when we view it at 60 FPS on KZfaq

@HiImBQ 8 ай бұрын

Even using 2x on KZfaq then on the viewer side, it's just not how 120 fps would look like. You might see ghosting there that you'd never see natively.

@thepunic5261 8 ай бұрын

@@HiImBQ you can change the video speed to 2x to test it, but still youtube's compression is really bad for this stuff.

@NeovanGoth 8 ай бұрын

@@HiImBQ It's not about having a perfect impression of how 120 actually looks, but to allow comparing it with 60 easily.

@kall745 8 ай бұрын

good job first time i subscribed to a channel in forever lol u just that good. I'm a techie and ur channel is a dream come true. I can't watch other testing channels they don't do it right and chill setup like u do. I bet ur a nice teacher.

@wuhgees 8 ай бұрын

great content, a lot of info. wish you have a spread sheet at the end of each video to summarize all your work, because it's very easy for viewers to get lost in different types of scenarios. thanks and keep up the good work. cheers

@korhanaydemir8366 8 ай бұрын

Love the qualitative analysis

@hugogamestreaming 8 ай бұрын

Nice work as always Daniel. Keep it up. Cheers!

@w0ody16 8 ай бұрын

I can indeed see the jittering frame pacing at 11:23 as you point out, thanks to how to filmed this video! Thanks for the FS3 deep dives! :)

@FrostyBud777 8 ай бұрын

Hey brother, i fixed the FSR 3 Stutter in Forspoken. The maximum framerate must be set to 120, Vsync on, and To get the most stability and smooth gameplay , Performance mode and frame gen should be used to keep framerate at 120 even during intense fights. Graphics settings can also be lowered to maintain 120 fps throughout the game. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qbWEdKyp3L3aZas.html

@myfavoritemusic2428 8 ай бұрын

Very rarely do I come across people as enthusiastic and as informative as Daniel and having watched his channel for about 4 months now, I’m now certain that my school experience would have been so much better if I had Daniel teaching me. He just has this enthusiasm that pours through the video and really makes it that much more interesting to watch. I usually wouldn’t really care what the difference between FSR FG and DLSS FG is, but if it’s Daniel explaining it? I’m all in.

@BGSenTineL 8 ай бұрын

Best channel. Everyone just appreciate what Daniel is doing !

@MainFocus23 8 ай бұрын

Nice work capturing the smoothness on an OLED

@thomasandres1176 8 ай бұрын

just found your channel. mega thumps up. u seem to be exactly as nitpicky with image quality as me. and thats a good thing (for me at least). i often talk to people, that do not even "see" the issues i see in games. Your videos will be my go to in the future!!

@kikediaz7044 8 ай бұрын

Great video! I hope you reach the million subscribers soon.

@shredenvain7 8 ай бұрын

Alex from digital foundry gave you a shoutout a few days back. Keep up the good work Daniel!

@user-rj3mr9bu3b 8 ай бұрын

Thanks to Mr. Daniel for his analysis, I would like to add the key points of my personal use these days. The correct way to use fsr3 is to select vertical synchronization for the display card driver, and select the monitor refresh rate minus 3 for the highest frame rate (144-3=141, 60-3=57). At the same time, it is very important to turn off vertical synchronization in the game.

@skippychurch2965 8 ай бұрын

Holy cow, you're doing great work!

@christianrodriguez740 8 ай бұрын

This man convinced me to get the 7800xt and I’m so glad

@Games_and_Tech 8 ай бұрын

This is a the best fair comparison, I am glad you didn't use the 4090. Interesting how fsr3 started with the right foot... let's see how it improves

@FrostyBud777 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for your videos.

@ChrisMantia 8 ай бұрын

excited to see where this goes

@bw-mx1dy 8 ай бұрын

lol at the kid running past at 19:22. As a dad myself, I love it. Don't be too self-conscious about them randomly making their mark on your videos. You're a full time teacher, a dad, and you're (quite wonderfully I must say) running a KZfaq channel on the side, trying to see if it can expand past the point of just being a side thing. We all get it. Not too many viewers are going to be turned off by your kids being kids.

@eli.k9190 8 ай бұрын

Thank God it's the weekend, and you got time to do a hard effort video like this.

@josiahsuarez 8 ай бұрын

It's good that both teams now have some sort of "frame generation" 👍

@TraktorTarzan 8 ай бұрын

isnt dlss only for the 40 series? and the FSR is for everyone?

@alanurbina7057 7 ай бұрын

@@TraktorTarzan Yes. But FSR has different features. It has upscaling, frame generation and something called "native AA mode", wich reduces latency. Upscaling and native AA will be available to all, even older GPUS. Frame generation will only be usable on GPUs with RT cores. And even tho nvidia can use the FSR 3 frame generation, the users will most likely use the DLSS, since it is better supported for their GPUs, while using FSR 3.0 upscaling.

@Krizzzzzz 7 ай бұрын

@@TraktorTarzanseries 40 has ddls 3 and frame gen other series has DLLs 1 and 2 if I didn't mistake anything

@rushiltyagi8473 8 ай бұрын

Camera capture helped I can easily notice the difference in smoothness

@fuchnorris6277 8 ай бұрын

Every time I see you have a new video I yell “OWENNN” like the old lady in Throw Mamma From the Train.

@TheVillainOfTheYear 8 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the qualitative data that you put out. Few people do this, but its so important. Everyone else wants to only provide quantitative data, which ends up looking like frame rate drag races. But what's the experience like? I see the frame rate results, but are those experiences otherwise comparable? The answer is often "no," and few people except for Daniel and Digital Foundry actually bother to notice the player experience.

@vadgebadger7214 8 ай бұрын

"That's how we roll over here" - Love it. Keep it real.

@TerraWare 8 ай бұрын

I had same experience in Forspoken with FSR 3 on Saturday looking at it. The visual motion fluidity didnt feel like 100+ fps. The native 60 felt smoother actually so am glad you and Ancient Gameplays experienced the same thing. Immortals of Aveum however felt much better.

@samirfa5300 8 ай бұрын

I have tested FSR3 Frame Gen in Forspoken myself and from my testing I found out that you 1. NEED to cap your FPS with RTSS or any other frame cap software to 1-3 FPS below your monitors max refresh rate. 2. You NEED to maintain the FPS framecap at all times while at the same time having a few % headroom. Meaning, make sure you dont max your GPU utilization at 100%. Try it again in Forspoken and you will notice the difference. Its way more responsive and smooth if you follow my suggestions. Example: 1. Your monitors refresh rate = 120Hz 2. Set up a FPS cap between 116 and 119 FPS 3. Change your graphic settings so that you can easily maintain the FPS cap which you set up in Step 2. 4. Make sure your GPU is BELOW 100% utilization AT ALL TIMES while reaching your FPS cap you set up in Step 2. 5. If your FPS drops below your FPS cap you set up in Step 2, it introduces higher latency and it doesnt feel smooth anymore 6. Specifically in Forspoken, change the refresh rate in the display settings menu to 120, not 240 7. Dont use the ingame Vsync, force Vsync via driver or use the tool Special K to fix frame pacing issues 8. Now you can enjoy buttery smooth and super responsive gameplay There is a problem with Frame Gen / Vsync if you hit your monitors max refresh rate without the FPS limit. I dont know why it happens. Try it out and report back if you want and tell us if you can confirm my observation.

@TerraWare 8 ай бұрын

@@samirfa5300 I'll look into it and maybe make a follow-up vid. I tried capping it with the new driver AMD fps cap feature, frame target control I think its called, it was a stutters mess. I'll look into what you suggested though.

@npoeeva01 8 ай бұрын

I have been enjoying your videos lately (thoughts), the very first videos I saw from you didn't really land it for me. Regardless the topics you talk about are interesting to me. A couple of months later, here I am curious about your opinion. You are doing a great job, and I am another one of bunch who thinks the same.

@Jman30003 8 ай бұрын

Great video! I would suggest to look into a kvm for your testing purposes and hot-keying the input on the TV.

@WondaYears 8 ай бұрын

Daniel got a horror movie sound effect with the kids running upstairs lol. Hilarious!!!

@flippCZ 8 ай бұрын

such a great job man... thanks ! :)

@DreadyBearBoi 8 ай бұрын

I respect on all accounts that you left your kids running in the background in the video. You can always tell you’re getting raw takes from you.

@UCHexaBlastGD 8 ай бұрын

In Forspoken, turning Vsync off in-game and forcing it through the driver or Special K fixed the frame pacing issues for me.

@stangamer1151 8 ай бұрын

Yeah. In-game V-Sync just does not work in this case when Frame Gen is enabled.

@samirfa5300 8 ай бұрын

In my case I had to turn it on through the driver AND ingame setting.

@matacachorro4090 8 ай бұрын

AMD or Nvidia GPU?

@NeovanGoth 8 ай бұрын

In my tests with Forspoken on a 4090 it _only_ was smooth when forcing Vsync (which I did via Nvidia Control Panel), setting the in-game frame limiter to 120 (with is my display's maximum), _and_ actually hitting 120 fps. Below 120 the incompatibility with G-Sync introduced bad frame pacing on the presentation side (forcing the screen to display some frames twice in order to somehow squeeze the 80 or 90 fps into is 120 Hz refresh), while with the in-game frame limiter set to 240 (it tends to reset itself after switching to DLSS and back to FSR) RTSS still reported stable 120 fps, but movement in the game became super choppy.

@brandonmerideth481 8 ай бұрын

What also fixed it for me, on a RTX 2070 Super, was turning on V-sync in game and disabling the variable refresh rate through my monitors controls. I kind of think VRR is not disabled automatically or it still causes issues if not forced off in my monitor settings.

@marksman1473 8 ай бұрын

I'd love to see frame generation used for emulators like PCSX2. You can force games to run over 60fps, but it breaks a lot of them some way or another. Thanks for the video!

@MultiYippee 8 ай бұрын

Frame generation would actually be awesome with emulators that run games at up to 60 FPS, for sure.

@denikec 8 ай бұрын

So from what I've seen, FSR frame gen is actually surprisingly good considering it's not using dedicated hardware there are some issues to iron out with the vsync thing but it seems really nice. Haven't tried it myself though.

@HypnoticSuggestion 8 ай бұрын

That jittery behavior you saw in Forespoken, I've gotten that a lot with dlss3, in dying light 2 and in Hogwarts at 144hz. Both games if I lock to 120 it doesn't do it, no idea the cause, but it seems common to frame gen at this point.

@Draksyl 8 ай бұрын

Would be interested to see if an RX7600 has sufficient free bandwidth @1080p to actually benefit from frame interpolation, or whether it's only a workable trick for higher end GPUs? Great video and keep up the good work 👍

@manyamaggot 8 ай бұрын

My man doing what no other channel or outlet is doing and in insane pace

@samirfa5300 8 ай бұрын

Hey Daniel. I have tested FSR3 Frame Gen in Forspoken myself and from my testing I found out that you 1. NEED to cap your FPS with RTSS or any other frame cap software to 1-3 FPS below your monitors max refresh rate. 2. You NEED to maintain the FPS framecap at all times while at the same time having a few % headroom. Meaning, make sure you dont max your GPU utilization at 100%. Try it again in Forspoken and you will notice the difference. Its way more responsive and smooth if you follow my suggestions. Example: 1. Your monitors refresh rate = 120Hz 2. Set up a FPS cap between 116 and 119 FPS 3. Change your graphic settings so that you can easily maintain the FPS cap which you set up in Step 2. 4. Make sure your GPU is BELOW 100% utilization AT ALL TIMES while reaching your FPS cap you set up in Step 2. 5. If your FPS drops below your FPS cap you set up in Step 2, it introduces higher latency and it doesnt feel smooth anymore 6. Specifically in Forspoken, change the refresh rate in the display settings menu to 120, not 240 7. Use the ingame Vsync AND force Vsync via driver to fix frame pacing issues 8. Now you can enjoy buttery smooth and super responsive gameplay There is a problem with Frame Gen / Vsync if you hit your monitors max refresh rate without the FPS limit. I dont know why it happens. Try it out and report back if you want and tell us if you can confirm my observation. PS: Nice video as usual :)

@fervargraider5274 8 ай бұрын

in my case, in-game Vsync solved and fixed my smoothess

@samirfa5300 8 ай бұрын

@@fervargraider5274 That was actually a typo. I edited my post and corrected it. You are right, Vsync has to be enabled in the game settings too. If you only use driver level vsync it doesnt feel smooth.

@NeovanGoth 8 ай бұрын

Hmm this can't be right. Since G-Sync isn't supported when FSG FG is enabled, limiting 1-3 fps below the monitor's max refresh rate would result in some frames being displayed twice to fill up the gap between the limit and the refresh rate. With an Nvidia GPU I got the best results when setting the in-game frame limiter to my monitors 120, then everything was super-smooth.

@samirfa5300 8 ай бұрын

@@NeovanGoth I know its weird. I also tried a 120 FPS cap but that felt worse. It might have something to do with my TV/Monitor. I am using an LG C1 which has a 120Hz panel but in reality its more like 119 Hz. At least thats what the display says when enabling game mode. Pretty sure a lot of monitors actual refresh rate is a bit lower than the one its advertised with.

@NeovanGoth 8 ай бұрын

@@samirfa5300 Same here. I'm using an LG G3 and the game optimizer overlay always shows 119 instead of 120, I guess that's just how it works.

@vindin641 8 ай бұрын

Nice finally some good stuff ty

@Accuaro 8 ай бұрын

11:15 THANK YOU! I thought I was going insane, people were saying that it felt good but to my eyes it really didn't.

@teddyholiday8038 8 ай бұрын

Once again, Daniel needs to be reminded that Reflex works with vsync to auto-cap the max FPS below the monitor refresh, so you get optimal frame delivery and no added latency. Shocked he still doesn’t understand

@CaptainScorpio24 8 ай бұрын

oh thats why i was getting 116fps

@emma6648 8 ай бұрын

But you can’t use reflex when using FSR frame Gen I don’t think

@105rogue 8 ай бұрын

@emma6648 Man I must be late to the party🤦‍♂️.. . . what is reflex?

@prajwals2793 8 ай бұрын

@@105rogueNvidia's version of Anti Lag

@VidarPT 8 ай бұрын

@@prajwals2793 Partially wrong. "Reflex" is Nvidia's version of "Anti-Lag+". Nvidia's version of "Anti-Lag" is called "Low Latency Mode".

@etestg7333 8 ай бұрын

Nice video.👌 On a side note... If you cap the fps in Forspoken using the rivatuner, to let's say 100fps, while using frame generation+fsr quality, the latency will be much better. Just try it! 😁

@RurouTube 8 ай бұрын

Your Forspoken experience mirrors mine. Initially I'm not sure whether it was just my setup using 60Hz display that cause it (especially since the game doesn't have 60FPS cap when FG is on) but maybe it wasn't my setup. What I felt was that the smoothness was similar to when FG is off, so in this case I think there is something wrong with the frame pacing and hopefully they can fix it soon.

@Whiteshade 8 ай бұрын

Yes same, I thought it was because of my 60hz display. 40fps feels smoother than 60fps.

@jotunheim5302 8 ай бұрын

You need 60fps as your base when using Frame Generation. If you enable FG below that threshold you'll experience excessive lag, artifacts a lot more than you normally would.

@RurouTube 8 ай бұрын

@@jotunheim5302 I know about that, but that is not the point. The point is that it doesn't feel smoother. For example, when I ran Forspoken without FG, I can get around 40FPS. When I enable FG, because there is a bit of overhead, it doesn't do 40FPS to 80FPS but to 60FPS, which is fine and expected. What is not expected is that 40FPS looks smoother than 60FPS, so there is an issue there. Personally I just want to test it simply because I want to know how bad it is when targeting 60FPS using FG. Yes, I know the potential image artifact can be more easily spotted, which is why I actually want to do it. I want to see how much I can spot the artifact and how low I can go with the base frame rate before the artifact becomes really bad. If it ended up still actually looks fine for 60FPS end result, I might actually use FSR3 depending on the game. A game that doesn't require fast reaction should be fine. Again, it hinges on whether I can actually spot the artifact, which right now I can't do because I don't think it work correctly in Forspoken, at least on my PC and it seems Daniel also experiencing something similar in Forspoken even on a high frame rate display.

@TJones4L 8 ай бұрын

I don’t know how I feel about these FSR 3 reviews, I know a lot of these opinions are subjective, but as someone who owns a 6700XT, when I used FSR 3 for the first time, it blew my mind how forespoken immediately went from 50-55 FPS maxed at 1440p, ugly & jittery to 120 FPS much improved image quality, & responsiveness, it was like magic, I thought I was cheating. It really felt like life changing technology after living with this gpu for 6 months, that’s just my input. Looking forward to your full review Daniel. 🙏🏽🙏🏽

@rage8010 8 ай бұрын

Bud, are you capping the frame rate with riva tuner? Or are you just doing it native? The comments seem to make it sounds like riva tuner fixes the issue he was having

@Pvt_Hudson 8 ай бұрын

Most reviews use the top-end GPU's so when they use FSR 3 the difference isn't that noticeable compared to your more mid-range GPU you are seeing a more substantial performance difference.

@elcaoca 8 ай бұрын

@@rage8010 use riva tuner itest forspoken fsr3 with my rx 6650xt setting max resolution 3440x1440 i got 25-30 native then i use fsr3 with fg i got 60fps + but i lock with rivatuner at 60 when i move camera its smoth than native resolution or fsr3 quality without fg but prob is i feel different while playing but when i record with obs the video nothing different or idk how to make it work to see what differen in video

@HunterTracks 8 ай бұрын

Same, I have an RTX 3050 laptop that can barely play Forspoken at all, even the lowest settings possible with DLSS Ultra Performance couldn't get me over 50 FPS. The game actually crashed multiple times when I tried out running it at higher settings. Imagine how surprised I was when I was able to tinker out a semi-consistent 60 FPS with Medium settings out of it, thanks to FSR 3. Even the input latency didn't seem that big of a deal when the alternative was the game barely chugging along at an ugly and broken 30 FPS.

@TJones4L 8 ай бұрын

@@rage8010 no I didn’t use Rivia tuner lil bro. I only used what I said, FSR 3 Frame Gen & Vsync on in-game like AMD recommended

@jarrettbrunner8014 8 ай бұрын

Great vid

@AQDuck 8 ай бұрын

I'm interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison comparing things like stutter (which is probably difficult given different hardware) and ghosting.

@allcarparebeautiful 8 ай бұрын

First of all, thank you for the work with the many videos directly for the release of FSR3 😌👍🏻 And thanks again because someone finally seems to have understood what this feature is actually intended for ❗It's actually just supposed to close the gap to the maximum refresh rate of the monitor. If the existing hardware already provides a relatively high FPS number, but it is still not quite enough. FSR 3 with FG is then used to convey the smoothest possible gaming experience 😌 it is just used incorrectly in marketing 😉 in the case of DLSS 3 and above to emphasize the purchase argument of the particular company with a green logo. Basically to convince the mentally weak to spend more on something than it's worth 😋 hello Ngreedia 😏 Jen Hsun Huang 's real slogan is not "buy more save more" it's " give them less and sell it to them for way more" 🤷‍♂️ and they follow anyway 🤦‍♂️btw i didnt notice the thing you mentioned with Forspoken i tried it with my RX 6950XT on a LG34GN850P-B Ultrawide and FSR3 worked as it should 🤔 i will go back today an try it out again.

@georgwarhead2801 8 ай бұрын

i think you are absolutly right about that. in therms of marketing, amd did a fare better job to market this tech for what it is, FLUID MOTION FRAMES. where as nvidia is marketing FG as performance tech and how faster your 40 series gpu now is and how big the performance uplift from gen to gen was this time

@norczi 8 ай бұрын

I've got a 3080, watched some other of your videos on FSR 3.0. Without knowing too much i tried FSR 2.1 on CoD MW2. NGL that experience is great, can't even imagine how 3.0 improves things. DLSS was a** when i tried it a while back.

@Turgineer 8 ай бұрын

As an RX 6600 user, I was happy that FSR 3 and FG were coming.

@Vladx35 8 ай бұрын

I can't imagine 5-10 years from now how much these kinds of technologies will contribute to making graphics realistic. It's going to get better and better.

@cks2020693 8 ай бұрын

a higher-up from Nvidia has said that in the future something like DLSS 10 is expected to render the whole game solely with AI and completely eliminates complex algorithyms, I mean just take a look at DLSS 3.5 RR, that AI completely replaced multiple denoising algorythyms while doing a better job at it and gives more performance

@Mcnooblet 8 ай бұрын

As long as Nvidia keeps coming up with these technologies, and AMD to copy them, all will be good. If Nvidia drops out to do AI, I'd be worried the only thing close to technology coming afterward for GPUs would be small raster increases and price to performance ratios.

@karthik7282 8 ай бұрын

@@cks2020693that was just fake news lol

@ThatNorma 8 ай бұрын

except AMD aint copying anything as both their upscaling processes are very different from on another....@@Mcnooblet

@portman8909 8 ай бұрын

Maybe I'm being picky here, but I still don't like these technologies. Even DLSS. There's still too many artifacts and black smudging that's going on when I have it enabled, even on quality. Native still superior.

@bournechupacabra 8 ай бұрын

Did you try frame limiting Forspoken to 120 fps instead of 240 fps? That's why I did and it felt great. Though I wasn't usually hitting the frame cap so perhaps that's the issue

@constantinesoldatos 8 ай бұрын

I found that the in game Vsync is the issue. When I turned in game Vsync off and used the vsync in the AMD software the jutters went away and it was100% smooth. Try that if you're having issues and lock your FPS in Rivatuner.

@LeeDavisonYo 8 ай бұрын

That run animation on Forspoken is wild lol

@HAL--ov4qu 8 ай бұрын

Hey Dan, good video, thanks! So what are your overall thoughts on fsr 3 versus dlss 3.5? Also do you think the 4080 is better than the 7900xt or xtx?

@MrSpielero 7 ай бұрын

Dude you're legend

@carlstarks7720 8 ай бұрын

I have a RX 7800 XT and used Riva Tuner to lock my fps to 165hz and used Native AA with frame gen and had no jutters even during heavy combat in Forspoken.

@jotunheim5302 8 ай бұрын

Did you enable Anti lag+ ?

@Kainthereaper 8 ай бұрын

We've got the same headphones. Rock on

@selohcin 8 ай бұрын

Heads up, Daniel: The judder in the Forspoken footage relative to the Immortals of Aveum footage may be related to the fact that your GPU was fully utilized in Forspoken but not in Immortals of Aveum. If you can control for that (perhaps by testing at 1080p), then it should produce better results.

@arico7923 8 ай бұрын

I locked forspoken to 90fps with Fsr frame generation and vsync on. After that, the jitters stopped

@maurizioo.9655 8 ай бұрын

I did the same thing .... my monitor is 165hz andI O have a 6adeon 800 so capping frames is the only solution, I can't reach 165 FPS. just used Rivatuner

@cruizera2194 8 ай бұрын

Guess Forespoken camera pan showed here that effectiveness/performance/feel of FG can vary by the game, no surprise. Gonna need more samples than two to draw conclusions. I think you handle the 120 fps reality vs 60fps youtube very well. No good solution there. You explained very well.

@routine8 8 ай бұрын

Daniel, you're always here for us! Question: how to we enable AFMF if we are using an Nvidia card and there is no toggle in the game's option menu.... can we somehow use adrenaline software to load the game, even tho running nvidia gear? 🎉

@PyromancerRift 8 ай бұрын

In forspoken, deactivate Vsync and activate 120hz cap in AMD software. You can do that outside of "radeon chill" It is in the same page, but for global gaming experience, where you chose between hypr rx, quality, hypr rx eco, default.... It removes the stutters. But if you only have 120fps, you will see more artifacts.

@Whiteshade 8 ай бұрын

it is just too much for casuals like me. I hope pc gaming simplify things like console does.

@TechTino 8 ай бұрын

Yeah my hope one day is you press a 'I want 120fps' button and it just does it.

@multibebeelosedee 8 ай бұрын

Good video thank u

@offspringfan89 8 ай бұрын

Despite being a one-man army, a dad and full-time teacher, Daniel is giving Digital Foundry a run for their money. He's of the most hardworking youtubers that I've seen. Seriously, congratulations and thank you for your awesome content! 👏

@winj3r 8 ай бұрын

In Forspoken, try switching to Borderless mode. And try to use the Radeon driver frame limiter. It might be enough to smooth it out.

@PrismaticaDev 8 ай бұрын

I noticed in one of your previous videos that FSR3 had juttering in some of the side-by-side slow panning shots as well

@erfankhalafi9910 8 ай бұрын

@danielowentech One thing I just noticed is that forspoken's Fullscreen and borderless screen mods actually make the FG look even worse than native as you mentioned. I tried switching the screen mode to Windowed option in the display settings and then revert back to borderless and it smoothed the game. Jutters occur far less than before. I couldn't feel 60fps before but somehow by switching between screen mods the smoothness of the game and frames seem to change. So I guess the developers can easily address this issue. Hope you see my comment.

@bjornoudenalder3086 8 ай бұрын

I see you got the c1 and the alienware qdoled ultrawide. How do you use them? On what screen are you gaming the most and why. Im right now torn betweet these two displays

@victorn1291 8 ай бұрын

I feel like FSR3 works quite well in Forspoken as long as it runs under the max refresh rate. On my 120hz panel, running the game at 90-100 fps I think feels pretty good. When jumping to 120 (I am forcing vsync in control panel) it feels juddery

@_robyn_ 8 ай бұрын

Just a tip to switch mouse and keyboard, rather than having 2 sets, get a USB switch device. The Ugreen one works like a charm. I have my setup for Gaming and Office. I just hit a button on that Ugreen switch and voila, all my devices switches between work laptop and personal system

@NKG416 8 ай бұрын

oh damn that's neat, gonna get one

@technologicalelite8076 8 ай бұрын

Yup, I believe they're called KVM Switches. I left a comment about it. Some monitors actually have one built in so you can just plug your USB device in there. I do wonder how that will affect latency though...

@_robyn_ 8 ай бұрын

@@technologicalelite8076 I did not notice any increase in latency, its a USB 3.0 well built switch so no issues. Specially with a wireless mouse and I play fast shooter games. Did not notice any noticeable latency increase

@cts006 8 ай бұрын

Not sure what model of TV/Monitor that is specifically but on my C1 it is possible to hotkey inputs to the number buttons. I think they call it "Quick Access". I have my remote setup so I can long-press the 2 to switch to my daily pc and I can long-press 4 to switch to my gaming pc. It is quicker and less finicky than using the OSD menu for input switching.

@phillipreschke9936 8 ай бұрын

As I understand it, vsync needs to be enabled when using FSR3. Does this only apply to fsr3 frame generation or even without frame generation. in which case does vsync have to be activated?

@Zordonzig 8 ай бұрын

I noticed you mentioned hearing you kids running around in the recording for a number of videos. I know you're pretty on top of software features for both AMD and Nvidia so I'm curious if you've considered AMD noise suppression or RTX Voice/Broadcast?

@eddyn2 8 ай бұрын

People are saying that if you activate the frame limiter within Rivia Tuner, the frame time and fluidity within the game will be back to normal, smooth. Just set about 10 fps less than the average after you have configured it the way you like. So for example if in the native it was giving 40 fps and with the fsr3 and frame generator it goes to 120, you go to Rivia Tuner and limits it to 100 or 110, or to your monitor fps, which will cancel out this lack of fluidity that you are feeling.

@estebansingh9411 8 ай бұрын

I was so excited for frame generation. I actually really like that "soap opera effect" that people complain about in TV's and i expected frame generation to be something like that, but when i got a capable Nvidia card i realized that i wasn't missing out on much and the game looks and feels smother when frame generation is off, even if the counter says that I'm like 10 fps lower.

@AlexHusTech 8 ай бұрын

*Finally, good to see that 5000 series cards are also supported!*

@m.r.8903 8 ай бұрын

Have you tried in Forspoken to lock the frames (120) with Rivatuner (Afterburner) instead of Vsync?

@ghoste7546 8 ай бұрын

great review! buy anyway to enable FSR3 FG to all games? And how about console emulators? Thanks a lot~!!

@gamesmaster1060 8 ай бұрын

That running down the stairs noise gives me flashbacks from trying to sleep in student accomadation lol

@itag295 8 ай бұрын

I have same observations and feelings on forspoken. FG on feels juddery on my setup. I have a 4K 120hz Freesync monitor and rx 6700 xt. A fully sync 40-50 fps with LFC on is far smoother than 120fps with FG on.

@qlum 8 ай бұрын

In Immortals of avium have you tried limiting the framerate? that could possibly solve the issue. I see you set the framerate limit to 240fps, lowering that may help. Alternatively you could try disabling vsync in game and setting framerate limits in the amd drivers.