Wide screen was the right call to capture this most epic episode.

I think a lot of current Yu-Gi-Oh players are running on pure nostalgia and years of experience too. There are not a lot of brand new players picking up the game, because quite frankly it's daunting. The rules language feels unintuitive if you play Magic or Hearthstone or almost anything else for that matter, and you need to kinda have it downloaded into your brain in order to parse a card effect quick enough to not feel like you're wasting time. We half-joke half-complain in Magic about how cards are becoming so wordy with Questing Beast and DFCs being the prime examples, but it's leagues worse in modern Yu-Gi-Oh. Older Yu-Gi-Oh was great with fairly simple card effects you could read and understand quickly, and gameplay that had more back-and-forth trading of resources. Newer Yu-Gi-Oh is still great, but it's almost unapproachable, and it's not what anyone would expect from watching the anime or doing the Master Duel tutorial.

Modern Yu-Gi-Oh feels like Marvel vs Capcom to me. It's messy, it's explosive, and deckbuilding is a lot like picking a couple characters with pre-defined movesets, and then executing the strategy. Sometimes you get randomed out, and you don't know why unless you know the matchup. The advantage with MvC is that matches take at most a couple minutes, even if you're getting timerscammed with an infinite, so there's that. YGO can take a while if you're waiting for the opponent to drop their combo. They're both kinda fun to mess with on a casual level, though. Some of the archetypes feel like you're solving a puzzle.

you guys should look at edison format, its the ygo format from 2010 and its wayyyyy slower than modern day ygo but maintains some of the combo potential. release of duelist alliance in 2014 was the sort of start of modern ygo with shaddoll and burning abyss really increasing the speed of the game. nowadays games are decided in 1 or 2 turns but the number of actions taken by each player per game is around the same, just that each player plays more cards per turn to do more things to win faster. it is genuinely worth looking at the current format though its really deep in terms of the deckbuilding and such even if the gameplay can be very samey at times.its the best and the worst tcg

In true YGO fashion, immediately doesn't read any cards. 10/10, no notes.

As a long time Yu-Gi-Oh player, hearing someone excited to play and enjoying the concept of just punching and exploding all over the field rather than lamenting the complexity is so refreshing and pleasant. I really enjoyed the post play commentary.

Every deck in Yu-Gi-Oh is a control and combo deck at the same time.

I agree, YGO has a lot of problems but it has great vibes and makes you feel powerful (even if you're mechanically powerless with all of the wipes and negates). There's a flavor to be learned from YGO

I think that if you're a game designer, investing time into yugioh and probably some fighting games will do a lot for you. Wonderful games. As much as I like magic and board games there is such a small amount of execution involved, the most complex sequencing in decks like manual storm do not hold a torch to comboing through multiple handtraps played in killer situations. In yugioh, with how complex and faceted the game is once you know what is going on, you learn how to make little interactions and player choices make significant differences to the end result of the game. tons of nuance. It'll also do a wonderful job of teaching you what not to do, the player onboarding experience is miserably bad and unlike magic, which also doesn't do a fantastic job of teaching its players how to engage in paper play, there is a skill floor! Gives you lots to think about when it comes to deciding how you want to avoid people that aren't good at learning saying your game sucks.

So excited to watch this! I have been playing so much yugioh lately and been loving it!

"Mystical typho-" annnnnd its gone hahahaha just reminds me of that south park episode

Yu gi oh is a game I love the idea of and have started playing many many times on many many different platforms. However I always burnout extremely fast and drop it in basically no time. Wonder why also: holy aspect ratio

I played Magic competitively until 2016 when the powercreep alienated me from being able to play the cards I loved in non-rotating formats. These days I attend Yugioh tournament frequently and play historical formats and cubes in both Magic and Yugioh.

Yugioh is a really fun game. The problem is the standard format has SO many cards in it dating back to the inception of the game that, unless you just sit down and memorise every card in the current meta including rogue decks, you basically don't have a chance to naturally learn the game. There's basically no restrictions on how many cards you can play since monsters just combo themselves into more monsters, and spell & trap cards pluck monsters out of your deck and slap them into play (or are themselves mosnters), and if you don't know the archetype you do NOT have an opportunity to read all the card effects and understand the gameplan. Its a fun game, but after playing a few different archetypes a new bevvy of cards entered the format and it got too hard to keep up with it all. It also doesn't help that the game completely lacks a limited format where you build a deck on the fly, which arguably wouldn't really be possible with the way the game is designed.

This is a really fun video, and I hope you'll make another one because one of the best parts about YuGiOh is how different archetypes play wildly differently. For example, Aromages (aroma mages) triggering their effect off of gaining lifepoints once per turn. So you set up your board and then on your opponent's turn you use a quick effect to gain lifepoints and then immediately trigger a chain (stack) with like 5 different effects on it right off the bat. Paleozoic is an archetype completely made of trap cards that when expired, can summon themselves from the graveyard as monsters in response to other trap card activations (thematically, they're arthropods that burrow out of the sand after they catch you!). The deck is usually played with self-mill cards like 'Needlebug Nest' in order to put Paleozoics (and other cards with graveyard effects) into the graveyard in order to summon them faster. Phantasm Spiral is a control deck centered around a field spell card that summons a monster token when your opponent activates any effect, which then triggers it to search out a trap card from your deck that you can play from your hand. You can trigger the search/tutor effect once each turn so you constantly gain card advantage. Combine this with spells like Time-Tearing Morganite that lets you draw twice in your draw phase for the rest of the duel, and you end up with tons of card advantage in a deck that can slow the game down to play at its own pace. Orcust consists of monster cards that can banish (exile) themselves from the graveyard in order to summon another Orcust from somewhere (Harp Horror summons one from deck, Cymbal Skeleton summons one from graveyard, etcetera). You then use the monsters you just summoned to link summon 'Galatea, the Orcust Automaton' that can recycle your banished monsters to put more resources on your field. Such as their field spell that makes all Orcust monster effects into quick effects (meaning you can use them on your opponent's turn and in response to other effects). It's slightly dated but the deck is so much fun to play.

Love this episode. I wish there was a little more explanation of how the game works (I know nothing about yugioh), but I loved the game designers perspective discussion and just the fun you guys have together!

Thank you for playing Yu-Gi-Oh so I don't have to. I learned some things!

I also played a bunch of master duel to see what it was doing from a game design perspective and my take away was that it would get a failing grade if handed in as a first year university assignment. I also tried pokemon tcg (B-), marvel snap (A), team fight tactics (B) and Super Auto Pets (B+)

The most appealing part of Yugioh is how varied every archetype is. The are hundreds of deck archetypes, and each one plays like it's own minigame in the game. Some really push the limits of what the game mechamics allow; especially the one's themed around the gameplay of other games. Such as the 'Cardians' being themed around Hanafuda, 'Vaylantz' playing like a tabletop strategy game, and the 'Tenpai' archetype being based on Mahjong. Even the Toon monsters are intended to function on the same mechanics as Magic. They can only be played with Toon World on the field (their land card), have summoning sickness for a turn before they can attack, and attack directly unless your opponent also has a Toon monster to block with.

Hahaha I love this one!! 😂 more episodes like this pleez

First time seeing this channel, I'll def be checking out some other videos. I was going to make a longer than necessary comment, but to say only one thing that I personally like about YGO is the swinginess you described. I don't know how it is in Magic (maybe someone can reply?) but YGO duels are really fun when you are trying to figure out the uknowns (cards you can't see in your oppnent's hand or face-down), leading to multiple reveals throughout a duel. Some reveals are bigger than others, but they all create the potential for duels where I fooled/get fooled by my opponent or draw exactly the card I needed it to be (all heart-of-the cards no luck smile). I think that those reveals have even MORE impact now as opposed to older "slower" yugioh (it's been "fast" for like 15 years and I've played for 7) because they have more weight in the outcome of the duel. The consequence is that sometimes you get duels where I drew 5 bangers and I went first so you have no hope of winning, but that's how gambling be sometimes.

"Endure playing Yugioh" sounds accurate

I personally forgot what rage with eyes of blue did before you played it. I assumed it was a big payoff card for when blue-eyes was already on the field, but I got really excited wondering what was about to happen when you got to activate the card as it was about to be wiped. It's just a shame the deck doesn't give you the full playset of blue-eyes, but that was hype nonetheless!

Clicking the yellow card IS a vibe, on paper you can't click yes turbo sadly

Wait, the first time? I think that means you've probably been playing with an incomplete deck(pun intended) when you talk about design philosophy. Its one of the biggest card games there is, one of those things you _should_ have experience with when talking about the subject as a whole

this was cool to watch. it's always a frustration to me that ygo and mtg players rarely interact, and when they do, the interactions are almost always negative, and almost always involve trashing each other's playerbase. like there are a lot of "generic tcg" podcasts where "generic tcg" is "everything except ygo" and ygo stuff is kinda in its own ecosystem

Okay, the best deck for new players in MASTER DUEL Salamangreat, Swordsoul, Galaxy-Eyes, and Black-Wings are some of the best entry points to the game with Snake-Eyes, with or without Fire Kings as a close second for now, so get them if you can do it

Yugioh is such a unique game, I think EVERYone needs to play it at least a few times! It's fast, EXTREMELY interactive, and has strong tactical and strategic elements that permeate the experience

My favorite way to play yugioh is Edison format! Right now the only way to play online is a simulator called Duelingbook (but it's manual actions like cockatrice for MTG) In a few weeks there will be a 2010 3-day event in master duel. It will not be Edison format, but it will be close enough to have fun. And it will have loaner decks to jump right in with. It may be fun to see a follow up video during that event.

You guys need to try Caller's Bane/Scrolls. It had interesting some systems. EX: in the early form of the game they had no graveyard, cards you played would just go on the bottom of your deck. This allowed for a unique deck style that used cantrips to stack your deck. Knowing the order of your entire deck allowed for an interesting control deck.

Diving into YuGiOh TODAY must me even more dauting than Magic. Knowing what I know about both.. it feels like a nightmare

Based on what you're saying about the way Yu-Gi-Oh feels I think you'll absolutely love Cardfight!! Vanguard. You can try Cardfight Vanguard Dear Days and see how you feel.

playing a game and not reading the game pieces probably makes it pretty hard to understand

Was Gavin trying Yu-Gi-Oh in paper an off-screen thing, or do you guys have content in other places?

Yeah, also in the big numbers there can be small differences. 3000 beating 2900 for instance, but similar to MTG, there can be battle boosting cards.

Yugioh is a power fantasy turned into a card game. I recently switched over to magic, but once the yugioh format fixes itself, there's room in my life for both. I would say yugioh is like a game of magic, where you start at turn 15, after a farewell blew everything up and both players have 5 cards in hand. Also, everyone has 15 creatures in their "command zone"(extra deck) they can summon with different requirements. Everyone has full mana, anything and everything is possible. So yes, it's faster, but because it skips the build up that magic games have. Yugioh doesn't have those very important decisions magic games have, where you're debating playing a rampent growth over Summoning a creature on turn 2. Or debating if it's worth keeping open mana to counterspell, etc. Those choices do not exist.

Yugioh is like Magic but Omniscience is always on and everyone has 18 copies of Force of Will in their deck.

LoL our game does have a "minion" card type. 😅

One might say you're the... KING OF CARD GAMES? Forget the game, dive into the YuGiOh memes where the real power is. 😁

Diving into YuGiOh must me even more dauting than Magic. Knowing what I know about both.. it feels like a nightmare

Guys is this podcast on Spotify? I cant find it

i get its neat but this video has black bars on my 20:9 aspect ratio phone... like come on...

Should’ve watched the first episode right before.

Yugioh is the best card game ever made, except its too hard to get into and the developers do a spotty job of making sure the meta is fun

That's why i play only goat

The huge problem of yuguioh is banlist really stupid banlists cards that are ridicuolus are legal for years just to sell the new cards that combo with them

🤓☝️Well when you had Ring of Destruction set you had already…

“It’s a 0/0?” “Did you read it?” “Nope!” He’s already a real Yugioh player

Just because he likes it doesn't mean it's good. I like doritos and we all know those are garbage.

Hello there! I've played both semi-competitively and I can assure you Magic is way way WAY better and will outlive Yugioh

Funny to see someone who has on occasion trash talked yugioh go "I'm not reading these" lol, you lose all license to complain about the gameplay if you don't even try to read! xD

yugioh the game where costs don't exists and games are a coin toss.

why is yu gi oh not printing its text a bit bigger or at least centered or something? this is just so weird... ^^'

Hope you play Flesh and Blood next. :)