hahahaha...I so wish I thought to say that at the closing of this series

Bahaha

Hubris

Coz he needs air and some space, even while shitting. That is the closest thing a man can get to mean he doesnt give a shit about anyone who saw him open. u know, he will kill anyone enters the toilet without informing (except that whore ) . Tyrion escape is unpredictable so he left it open

This comment needs more likes wtf??

John Porteous He’s the Darth Vader of GoT

Tywin Lannister reminds me of the Governor from The Walking Dead.

Tywin is a villain? Why?

@@siddarth3955 he isnt. The audience identifies him as such because the story is "set Up", in a manner of speaking, for you to side with certain characters, therefore,everyone on the other "side" will be a villain to you. To the people of Lannisport,the Westerlands and the ones under the protection of House Lannister I imagine he'd be a strict lord,but a respectable and even loved leader

@@jaimemontejano8201 Thank you, it was confusing

It's not being badass. It's being miserable.

Those were really good scenes. Some of my favorites to be honest

I'm surprised you replied this being an older video, but yeah i wish tywin stayed longer and having him and arya become so close that she revealed she was robs brother and then maybe they could have somehow found peace since it wasnt tywins fault joffrey barastard took neds head, but a man can always want haha

excellent point

but you should remember that machiaveli also said that one should be cruel at times to show people that he is a serious ruler kings landing population was an enemy and there is a simillar story about cesare borgia who machiavelli thought to be one of the best princes because when an enemy town rebelled or attacked he would sack it and thus punish the common folk but after that he would lower their taxes build them new homes and other works because you should remember machiavelli said it is important for a prince to be respected but he must also be feared

@@sebastjankoracin7774 Machiavelli specifically praised Borgia for properly scapegoating when atrocities were necessary, which Tywin completely failed to do. He spent decades dragging his feet on punishing the Mountain for killing Elia instead of just accepting the loss, he rewarded the Boltons and Freys instead of doing anything to support his narrative that the Red Wedding conveniently helped him by sheer coincidence, and the end result is that literally everybody in Westeros either hates or doesn't care about the Lannisters beyond the temporary short-term fear of Tywin.

@@lethabomaunatlala7121 I never claimed that Tywin bears no responsibility. In fact I argued the opposite: That Tywin utterly failed to distance himself from an absolute PR nightmare that makes everybody involved (except for the victims who will go on to be martyrs) look like the most vile people imaginable. Having Roose and Walder claim you promised them pardons as you punish them is nowhere near as bad as you giving your stamp of approval, outright confirming you endorse and reward the breaking of some of the most sacred laws of Westeros. The books get into this by implying that the rise of the sparrow has more to do with Tywin's actions in life than the power vacuum left by his death, and showing that nobody trusts the word of the Lannisters anymore, completely fucking up Jaime's earnest attempts to fix the shitshow that the Riverlands have turned into, with a viet cong-esque insurgency roving around killing every Frey and Lannister they can get their hands on.

@@sebastjankoracin7774 Exactly, Seb. Mac says one thing then he says the other thing to keep his bases covered(baseball ref.) and we all think he's a genius. His whole philosophy could be summed up as, "Apply judgment.". Gee thanks Mac, that's supes helpful!

Maybe Christopher Lee could have

where is the charles dance/sean bean in character pod

Tywin is one of our favorites too...if he wasn't so mean to Tyrion he might be my favorite...I understand why he hates him, but how he goes about it sucks

That's part of what makes Tywin who he is, a man who sacrificed his humanity in order to strengthen his House. The weird thing is that it's his greatest strength and biggest weakness, he is the polar opposite of his father, but neither of them achieved balance, he would have been exponentially more effective if he didn't have an overwhelming need to show his process, which is summed up in their words "hear me roar", in stark contrast to someone like Littlefinger, who isn't interesting in roaring, only bites when appropriate. What's even more interesting, and is a fail on Tywins part, is how the Tyrells compare to the Lannisters, the Tyrells work in magnificent synchronisity, each a part of a well oiled machine designed to advance the whole, where Tywins descendants more often work against each other.

Polar Opposites. Great choice of words. This is the reason I believe Tyrion IS Tywin son. Tyrion is the Balance that was need in the Lanisters and Joann Graced Tyrion with her Stability. To me this is just MORE PROOF that Tyrion is TYWINS SON. The twins are Aryes.

I actually like both theories on Tyrion, it works with Tywin as his father but Joanna's grace and stability are also a balance to Aerys lack of stability. One more reason why GRRM is the best, both outcomes fit brilliantly.

Vincent HC He's one of my favourite characters too.

Not book canon.

@@SpaghettiToaster yeah only in the series

Yeah it was Rouse Bolton in the books. But still...

Ughh, I liked Tywin scenes in show than the leech lord in A Clash of Kings.

@Andrew Messersmith No that was crap. it was just to show how cOoL is Arya. Tywin would've never taken a random prisoner common girl as his cupbearer. Fanfiction bullshit. I'm glad the show is over and forgotten.

hahaha...that combo would sell out every night

Need ten more then we can have "The twelve angry men"

What about the Three Stooges with Tywin, Stannis, and Tyrion?

(Stern glare) Stannis has less of a sense of humour than me. Which is saying something...

MisterTutor2010 I think you could spend every day with those two and never see them laugh.

Ba Lee Dat Tywin smiled at least twice in the scenes with Arya. A very slight smile

Don't forget Sun Tzu!

@@erinb4237 Remember, of course, that it was Cao Cao that produced the edition of Sun Tzu's Art of War that we have today.

Why does it ruin it if Tywin has a legitimate reason to despise Tyrion's existence? its somehow better if Tywin hates him for being a dwarf? and I personally think that Jaime is every bit as much like Tywin as Tyrion...he doesn't give himself any credit for it, but his political know-how and military stratagems are on par with his father's...think about his breaking of the Frey siege at Riverrun in ADWD, or all the advice he gives Cersei that she ignores

The Order of the Green Hand Tywin hates Tyrion because he unjustly blames Tyrion for his wife's death, but the book clearly states on multiple occasions including direct quotes from characters that Tyrion acts more like Tywin than Jamie. Tyrion not Jamie would be the best heir to casterly rock but Tywin refuses to accept it due to his prejudice and incorrectly placed hatred.

I think alt shift x does a better job explaining why I disagree with the Tyrion is a secret mad king bastard theory than I ever could

there is one quote from the book from Tywin's sister Genna, who told Tywin years ago that Tyrion is more like him than Jaime, resulting in Tywin refusing to speak to her for a prolonged period of time...and I don't deny that Tyrion seems to have some of Tywin's political acumen, but Jaime has it too...the way the information is given to us, with Tywin's guy Pycelle being the only person who refutes the rumors that Tyrion is Aerys' seems to be a clear indicator that the animosity between Aerys and Tywin was caused by something Aerys did with his wife...Aerys' paranoia and "madness" that Tywin was going to kill him started coincidentally the last time Tywin's wife (who was already widely rumored to have been the king's mistress) visited the Red Keep...Tyrion also has a history of Dragon Dreams, platinum (Targaryen not Lannister) blonde hair, and a black eye that could very well be dark dark purple

i'm disappointed they believe every crack pot theory i want to like them cuz they put work and good research into them but N+A=J and the Tyrion thing.

Most people Tywin got killed weren't his enemies. They were ordinary people who got punished for things that were out of their control

thank you! yea we found more stuff afterwards that we will definitely include in part 2 (related to the attempted assasination). :)

couldn't agree more...

As much as I refuse to put Tywin on a pedestal because of the choices he's made in the story, I can't help but agree that he could have definitely been a good king. He made a lot of emotionless and tough choices so I would hope he'd be more empathetic of his subjects if he were king, but regardless, he has the leadership skills to rule a country.

Thank you...I feel like people automatically hate him for being mean to Tyrion and never actually see how impressive the guy is

Like Tywin said: ”you’re a fool if you think that crown gives you power” In Tywins case, the crown would only be a shiny headpiece for him, since he ruled as much as the king

Linus E If not more

Charles Dance is Tywin Lannister

I think we used that quote as a slide at one point...we're saving it for Ned calling Tywin as much a lion as a fox in part 3...which is a double homage to Lann the Cleaver who was thought to be a bastard of house Flourent (Fox Sigil) and the lion could very well be their sigil as a result of that line

Lizard Crew "One must therefore be ... a lion to frighten wolves." That just fits so well with the story that one must wonder if it was done on purpose.

I feel like there is no way he didn't do it on purpose

Agreed; a bit too perfect given the context. :) How old is GRRM? I bet he, Mel, and Mach had some good times together in renaissance Florence.

Lizard Crew Ever read The Mandrake? Callimaco and Lucrezia are italian for George and Melisandre.

I would tend to agree that he deserved more than that

Or it was his arrogance and self-righteous attitude that did him in quite poetically. He expected his children to dance to his tune as he worked "for the family" in every brutal campaign and political deal, but since he spent little time actually being a father to them he never understood why they constantly fought back. His flippant disregard for them on a personal level is what got him into trouble with Tyrion at the end. Also, if Martin has expressed one idea clearly, it's that there are no "heroic" deaths in his stories. People will die in the simplest ways regardless of how awesome they were in life.

I had a great day today, thank you. I'm not disagreeing that Tywin's children all have despicable qualities. I'm just pointing out the cognitive dissonance that Tywin had in not understanding his style of parenting had a hand in it.

BK His evil spawn enjoy privileged lives quite undeservedly.

he fucked the woman his son loved, did you miss that?

That is exactly how I see Tywin. I didn't really think about that until I read The World of Ice and Fire, and I got the backstory. By the time I was done reading it, I totally could see it from his perspective, and it made him so much more human. He's not evil for the sake of being evil, he's just a man, with faults and weaknesses, who did the absolute best that someone could in the situation he was in. The King was horrific towards him, and he just took it in stride. I feel bad for him sometimes when I think about it. haha Then I have to remind myself that hes a character and not a real person. :) Thanks for watching.

Also, Tyrion reminds him of his fool father, with his whoring, drinking and seeing a joke in everything.

I hadn't thought of that but that is spot on Barry

While reading AWOIAF, remember that it was written from the perspective of a maester at the Citadel who is living at the beginning of the book series so he has nothing bad to say about the Lannisters or Baratheons. Not only does he not mention Ser Gregor and Amory Lorch during the sack of KL, but he flat out states Elia could have killed her own children.

Seems like you people didn't read enough Machiavelli or at least didn't understand his core message: A good ruler can not be a good human. If you want to be an effective person you can't let morality get the best of you. It is all about power and control. If you loose them another selfish fool will get them and destroy your realm. That's why you must do everything to keep yourself in power and the others under your control. If you are moral and just to your enemies, they will take advantage over you.

Thank you...we do try to put a little humor in topics it makes sense to use it in...its hard to make the faceless men funny

or even Tywin for that matter :-)

for some reason we found the fact that his sister said he only smiled 4 times to the best of her knowledge in his whole life funny in a tragic sort of way...and I don't know why that Damn it feels good to be a gangsta song popped into my head when I was writing it but we decided that needed to be included

The Order of the Green Hand it was perfect usage! BTW - right after your video I watched a new one from King McKay about the tower of joy & noticed he dropped your channels name! looks like your ideas are accomplishing clarity amongst the other "theorists" as well 🤗

Thank you...we talked to him a few weeks ago...he seemed like a nice guy

Thank you...it was a lot of fun to make...even though he is mean as hell to Tyrion, he is hard not to like for some reason

George wrote him brilliantly; we definitely hate his actions but he still commands respect. It was interesting to see how he kind of had some light moments with Arya @ Harrenhal in the show; it was filler, but well-done filler that brought more depth to the character. They have to do something with the characters who don't have POV chapters in the books. He was well-adapted for the show.

PBR Streetgang Very true. Charles Dance was perfect as Tywin on the show

That's a good point, the Harrenhal bits in the show did add some depth, kind of how you imagined he treated Cersei when she was a girl. Can't wait for part 2!

I bet Cersei didn't make him smile like Arya did.

Thank you Brandon...much appreciated

thank you so much! yes we had been thinking that for a while and then we found an author's annotation in the new iBook versions of ASOIAF and it stated that Tywin's character was based on Machiavelli's The Prince

thank you! :D

Yeeeees! Love it too! 🤣

A real gangsta-ass nigga plays his cards right A real gangsta-ass nigga never runs his fucking mouth 'Cause real gangsta-ass niggas don't start fights

same niggas who get scared and discriminate against black folk who live the life a fucking gangsta while you just sing or type it.

yes he was...I've read it at least 5 times

glad we could help

Last line sums it well.

Tywin is an absolutely terrible father

Thank you

that would have been quite a partnership...I was thinking Ned and Tywin would be quite a force to be reckoned with...I would have really liked to see Ned and Stannis square off against Tywin and Randlyl Tarly

Alessandro Mariotti The Order of the Greenhand in this scenario Tywin would hold Robb back something fierce. Stannis and Robb would have been unstoppable though...

I actually find Twyin's ruthlessness to be a disadvantage. Utterly destroying the Reyne's and Tarbeck's makes sense they were his direct vassals and they defied House Lannister and showing no mercy to teach other vassals that defiance means destruction is one thing (and even then it depends on his own relative power compared to the power of any potential coalition of defiant vassals that could try to usurp him) but trying to do the same thing to with the North without being able to actually take control of the North to pacify it and having to rely on one Northern house to try and pacify and reincorporate it back into the kingdom is pure folly (even if that one Northern house is relatively powerful). The North's power comes close the equalling House Lannister's power (Robb's defeat only became certain when the Lannister-Tyrell alliance happened) and after taking so many losses and having to share power with the Tyrell's who started off with many more troops than the Lannisters and took far lighter casualties in the war requires the (sole remaining) Lannister army to stay in the south to protect their position and therefore can't be in a position to keep the North in line ("Whoever conquers a free town and does not demolish it commits a great error and may expect to be ruined himself" Niccoló Machiavelli) and in the doing Tywin has carelessly squandered House Lannister's prestige. By obviously being the one behind the Red Wedding he and his house and many of his allies can't be trusted to keep their word (guest right is an implicit promise and goes without saying) and the "shit for honour" situation Jamie is stuck in now applies to all the family's dealings. Another aspect of the disadvantage his ruthlessness in the Red Wedding brought was wasting a crucial opportunity level out the power imbalance between House Lannister and House Tyrell by letting Robb or the Riverlords inflict casualties upon the Reach's armies in battle by simply letting them take the lead in attacking Robb and his vassals and dilute their strength by forcing them to occupy ravaged territory. That last point was probably even more ruthless then what he ended up doing, but it also involved some forward thinking Tywin appears to have missed (as in thinking about not just winning the war but winning it in a way most beneficial to himself and his family).

Corey Micallef another thing people miss is that to the North and East of Casterly Rock in the Westerlands he literally has 0 strong vassals that could have possibly risen a decent force to protect the West in his absence since the only powerful Lords House Lannister had to its North and East (excluding House Lefford whose strength is in its position in the mountain pass and its gold mines not its manpower) were House Reyne and House Tarbeck. This allowed Robb to nearly take the northern part of the West unchallenged when he made his way through the mountains and made him a threat to Casterly Rock immediately due to Tywin's destruction of the Reyne's and Tarbeck's (or at least their Westerosi branches... * cough Blackfyre Rebellion Ser Robb Reyne cough*). Tywin also shouldn't have done a very good impression of a Vale Lord and depended on his mountains to defend him so much when there very well could have been a secondary path through the mountains. Without the utter destruction of the only strong Lords in the northern part of the Westerlands Tywin would have more men for the host that invaded the Riverlands due to presence of strong Lords who would've attracted more small folk to stay in the region, more men for the reserve force Ser Stafford put together, and more than likely someone in the force if not in charge who would've understood there was more than one pass through the mountains. When you think about it Tywin's act of abject cruelty bit him in the ass in a big way later. Karma sucks don't it...

Alessandro Mariotti Have these two working together and the white walkers would be fucked without any need for promised princes or dragons.

Thank you...part 2 is already being scripted

Thank you so much...we wanted to get into more Machiavelli, but if we did this would have turned out to be a 10 video series...Tywin is so nuanced himself, that filling in all the gaps of the things he set in motion that unless you are really paying attention, you would never notice took 3 videos and an hour and that was only based on TWOIAF...we haven't even touched on anything he does in the actual story yet...he is the single greatest literary puppet master since Dumas' Edmund Dantes in the Count of Monte Cristo

I find Dany's decisions as more forgivable because of her age and lack of formal educating. when the book starts she is 13 years old, getting married off to the fiercest Dothraki warlord in the world, and she is at least trying to do something good with the power she has obtained...she needs to marry Aegon...together her ruthlessness and his charisma would be a potent political force...totally agree the realm would have been best served by Tywin ruling

thebovineavenger The Order of the Greenhand Dany's mind is getting messed with super hard by a glass candle invading her dreams guys and gals her decision making process is not entirely her own. Though yes she should marry Aegon while also marrying another woman (or two) in case her sterility is permanent (which I'm not sure if it's real or psychosomatic) for alliances and such...

Dont get me wrong My dislike of Danny is different then that of Cat. I understand and agree with the Sad state of poor Dannys life before the books and what lead to all HER choices and decisions. I just find the whole Idea of any YOUNG savor and a young female at that, to be a Silly and Undesirable Ideas as at that age NO ONE is capable of making any kind of responsible choice. How can she even begin to see who she is as her mind and so much of her life has never been in Her control anyway. Candles, Pacts, Brothers, friends have all made her what they wanted. That however dose not take away my Dislike of her. In life and in literature we all have our own taste. Now as for CAT. Bit-- be crazy. She is 35 has 5 kids has had a life and is a great lady. NO DAMN EXCUSE for any of the shit she has done.

Catelyn has been dead for 3 or 4 seasons now. Why not let her rest in peace? She's some sort of zombie in the books, but you can't really blame someone for what their body does after they are dead. It just seems a little silly to dig up dirt about Cat this late in the game.

That's just it - he essentially was king for years, with peace aplenty. Aerys just couldn't keep himself contained.

thank you for watching

Thank you for watching

Thank you so much!! And yes I totally agree, he is a remarkable man, who has inspired a worldwide dialogue that will continue on for years even after his masterpiece is complete.

thank you!

Same here! :)

true, but we might not have a story

Nah he was too much into Prophecies and was willing to sacrifice all to complete the prophecy.

He sacrificed his family, crown, and thousands of innocents, for his prophecy. He was just as mad as his father, just in other ways, he would've been a terrible king.

Hal Effect he would be a shitty king tbh

Thank you so much. Part 2 coming tomorrow

Thank you...its being scripted

Thank you

You're welcome as always, I have to go and learn about Machiavelli tho now...:)

SteveM , An actual friend of Leonardo di vinci! The ends justify the means says a lot about him. A red wedding kinda guy!

We kinda thought everyone already knew that story and wanted to have time to get into Duskendale without the video being over a half hour

True, you could probably make a whole half hour just on that rebellion alone. As far as people knowing about it, I've actually found most people I talk to don't even know of the Reynes. (It comes up a lot as I use "Reyne" as my name for most videogames.)

jordan couturier try reading the books first before you even make a invalid statement like that.

Most Certainly a statement like what? i know what happened. im saying most people dont.

jordan couturier I don't know what happened either.

+Mike Mercer Charles Dance is Tywin Lannister. He really did gut that stag himself in that first scene. He insisted on it from what I've heard. I don't think it's possible to bring Tywin to life better than Charles did. Pertaining to Jon's parentage in the show... I still have some hope that Aegon and Ashara will be introduced early this season and we will get to see Jon meet his mother, which I think would be so much better than Jon finding out he's an orphan of two people he's never going to meet. Jon meeting Ashara would also be the most powerful scene they've ever shot

thank you jim!

Thank you so much...we released part 2 a few days ago

should be out in about an hour

Thank you...we try

thank you !!

Thank you...we do what we can

Keep watching. That's something w2 practically beat into people's heads in part 2

Great! Thanks for letting me know.

good ideas!! i love stannis. lady gh

+Alexandra Couto thank you Alexandra

I think I could make it a 26 part series and never get sick of Tywin...his role in the books is something you really need to be paying attention to or you won't even notice 99% of the stuff that goes down that he set up

Thank you

exactly...I think we might have saved that Machiavelli line for when Ned thought about Tywin being as much a fox as a lion

he is so masterful at scheming without anyone being aware that his fingerprints were all over it...we didn't even notice 1/3 of the things he made happen in the books until our third read

Thank you Moos...neither can we

thank you...we think their plans unraveled when Barristan Selmy saved the king in the most improbable of ways...he climbed the walls, killed the guard, found the dungeons got the king out, then fought his way through the entire castle and then town and got him out of there...if Barristan wasn't so BA, their plan would have worked...once that happened, Tywin would have had no choice but to let the King dole out justice, and couldn't let Lord Darklyn get away without bringing a lot of suspicion on himself

I like that you like them

Really? The incest ravaged Jaime & Cersei were his golden children while Tyrion was the black sheep he picked on the most simply for existing at the expense of his wife, Joanna.

@@Senate300 Like I said Tywin Lannister, while very intelligent, has done some epically stupid things.

@@Kodanikage There's no doubt Tywin was a King who wore no Crown and one of the sharpest political minds of his generation but his mistakes as a controlling father who cared more about the Lannister family name than the happiness & well being of his kids who bore it that cost him his life. At the hands of the vengeful imp son he despised the most. Funnily enough all 3 kids have his traits.

thank you...I hope they do all sorts of spin-offs...I'd like to see prequels about Harrenhal and Dunk and Egg, and maybe even the dance of dragons or the blackfyre rebellions...heck the first long night would be an epic movie

we do what we can

26 minutes doesn't ever feel long at all, when the videos are this good! Could be 1h and I'm sure I'd still feel like having more. Ehehehehehe

The Order of the Green Hand you've quickly become my favourite GOT lore channel, amongst all the rubbish here on KZfaq. This is the second time I watch your Tywin series! *subbed*

thank you... Harrenhal will be covered in part 2

i know i know your name from somewhere, but I can't remember from where.?

The Order of the Green Hand he is character of preston Jacobs' watch season # series.

I knew I had heard the name somewhere before...thanks carlos

+SaRita Pearson thank you