Well, at the very least, it helps keep us occupied while we're waiting for him to finish winds

@@KingSlayer_.He’s not going to finish winds, my guy. He doesn’t care anymore. Even if he did and he does. There’s still one more that needs to be written. The story won’t ever be finished.

he'd rather never finish and go out on top than release a bad book that tarnishes his legacy. He will die doing back story and tv shows and somebody will have to finish it for him

Yep, he doesn’t know how to rescue the storyline after the TV show DEBACLE 🤮

I am confident in the assumption that in 10 years generative AI will be so good that we will be able to feed it the books that GRRM has already written and ask it to finish the last two books and it will do a better job than he ever would have.

Here here.👏

I want him to finish the dang books too, but I’m so freaking obsessed with Westeros that I’m VERY interested in a lot of the other projects they’re working on. I’m really enjoying HOTD and looking forward to season 2.

Completely agree

Word

Yeah & house of the dragon was meh

and he has the nerve to get mad if anyone asks about it.

And he apparently refused to let anyone finish the books.

@@ARCtrooperblueleaderIf he actually had plans to finish it, I would be okay with that. But he’s so goddamn petty

To be fair more people will see the shows than read the books and the shows are like god tier level tv

GRRM did not write this.

There's a reason the MCU's quality has diminished drastically over the past years. It was the oversaturation of shows and movies coming multiple times a year. And it started because fans kept asking for more when things were good. Obviously, when you make more, the quality diminishes. The longevity of the game of thrones franchise can only be possible if they make less shows, not more. More shows will result in less quality. HBO is doing the right thing in taking their time

That's what they're doing with the upcoming A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (the Dunk & Egg show).

Way.

@@samirmuhammad1781this isn’t exactly the same thing. Disney had like a movie a month in addition to Disney plus shows. GOT would only be like 2 shows at once ….

And having 2 "unrelated" shows film at once could spell disaster for both. These shows are EXPENSIVE. Imagine 1 doing "ok" and the other not doing well. They would want to get rid of one to save $ and pool resources to fix the other as quietly as possible. The chance of them both making w/out them both being major hits, is ver slim.

*THIS* !!!

Since I find it hard to believe anyone can tell a george story as good as George I have to disagree a little Noone else really writes like Martin now. I certainly don't trust anyone at HBO and I'd much rather have Martin working on another project

This would be on par with creating a Marvel like universe. No offence but Got and Start Wars is rather different contextually. 1. Start wars was a movie franchise. It's easier to make by a heavy heavy mile than TV series. Especially as movie is 2/2.5 hours at max. TV series of this proportions equates to approximately 80 hours of show... 2. Got was far more inclusive in a detailed universe than even 3 movies can be. Hence why you need to go deeper and more related. Explain it.make a long show. 3. Got was one. These long term connected series don't come from one of shows. Yes.. it sound counterintuitive because Blood moon would make it More Shows. But they are so distantly related that it indeed barely connects to the looks and make up of Got. The outcome was important - white walkers, but the Universe is quite different. You don't get any of the same houses, You don't get Dragons, you don't get the myths of Valiria, you don't even get the same Ethnic make up (for that area). It's like GoT was set in 1350 where people referred to Great Roman Empire (Valiria) in 200BC..... Where as Blood moon would be set Europe but would cover events of the Yamnaya Culture in 3300 BC. The blood moon is Officially 10 000 years before events of Got.... The damn Wall was built 8000 years ago so the Blood Moon would not even have the building of the wall. Yes the events of that culture are important and what occurred set the events down the line... But it is ultimately so different that it is like a standalone show. Hence why House of the Dragon is a better option for a First Spon-Off show. Likely followed by some events in Valiria as a third show. Then there might be a show like the blood moon. Tbh, it would be more suitable to make it as a miniseries of events than a full series show. The age of heroes stretched over Thousands of years - the pact, creation of white walkers, building of the wall and establishment of some of the old houses have all stretched for Milenia... It would be a show made of time jumps that are centuries apart.

Yes, you are utterly correct.

@@tomasvrabec1845 and since the endgame with the White Walkers ended like dogsh*t it would be hard to get fans engaged or interested in another story with them being an ominous element. I don't think fans care about the Song of Ice and Fire prophecy in House of the Dragon either outside of the part saying "a Targaryen must sit the Iron Throne"

Same

*sucked

​​@@TalkingThronesyou said it yourself, martin didn't write most of the story of this doomed project, and with the way they went with the race and casting of the children of the forest and white folks in westerosi being rich, it's almost become a clear allegory of real life colonialism and racism. It takes me out of the fantasy. Will I watch garbage that Martin didn't write just so you can go back to that world? No thanks, we already have HOTD for that part.

​@@EmArghtechnically "sucks" can be correct because the series would be ongoing at the time he would decide to watch it, making it in the present sense. ✌️

Gee, I wonder why GRRM never picks up writing Winds again…

He said he doesn’t want to make it because the “story” has already been told. He’s FOS, He releases that, GOT is back on top, even maybe just make a movie out of it. I don’t understand what’s the hold up in creativity.

Me too

⁠@@ohb3I disagree, nothing can top the success of game of thrones at its peak, it was a culture phenomenon. The only thing that could do it is Aegon the conqueror or a series about Valeria and it’s fall

Hell yes

I agree. I've wanted a show about Robert's rebellion ever since GOT was still running. A 3-4 seasons of that show would ve great. To see some characters we only know from others stories as well as seeing all our amazing GOT characters in their young version. I would have loved to see a young Tywin, Jorah, Jaime, Robert, Barristan, Oberyn, etc. The show could start with the tragedy of Summerhall and end with Robert's ascention on the throne. I still hope to see this story put on the screen someday. I know Martin said he does not want to, but if enough people are asking for it, he might change his mind, or HBO change his mind. Even though we know the story, it would be amazing to see it. We know the story in House of the Dragon but we still love seeing it on the screen.

haha just started a Brandon Sanderson book its SO GOOD

Sanderson does literally the same thing lol. He just announced another secret project he wrote when his brain hurt from stormlight five. The main difference is Sanderson makes deadline’s and George doesn’t. It’s actually probably a good idea to work on something else when you reach an impasse.

Sanderson is next level.

It could’ve created too much confusion because it’s not coming from George himself

Well, we all know how that works out, so they were smart.

You know what happens when writers try and make their own stuff up

I don’t blame them, they tried to do that with Game of Thrones and that was a disaster

you know how lazy they and Hollywood are? they base pretty much everythig off of books,tv and older movies.

Lann the Clever was reportedly a key feature of Bloodmoon dude

you can have magic or you can have science, not both.

You know we had no technological advancements for thousands of years too right if anything it regressed to worse than thousands of years ago until the industrial revolution

@@ryno1509 ofcourse but we didn't advance to the point of building castle's and having lords and then 5,000 years go by and we're still at the same point was my meaning. I understand there is a limit to how in depth george will go. I guess maybe after the 1st long night things regressed or stagnated.

See, that’s a point I’d like to see addressed. I don’t necessarily need an entire series about it but I want to know why the entire world has stagnated, technologically. I mean, the Maesters have some nice things and I believe one of the theories is that they are holding advanced technology back from the people, for some reason. While I could buy that, it doesn’t explain why Essos is the same way. It’s not just Westeros; it’s the whole world. They’re stuck in various stages of our Middle Ages. I mean, you can tell, by the architecture and the clothing that there are some very skilled and creative people in Westeros. They are not lacking for artistic creativity. But, it’s like no one invents anything, anymore. As for, as someone said, magic and science not being able to live together, that’s not true. First of all, even if we only saw Oldtown briefly, the Maesters clearly have more access to the sciences that regular people do. So, the nation is already one of science. Also, if you think about it, Westeros isn’t that magical of a place. Dany’s dragons were the first ones in generations and, even when they were more plentiful, the average citizen didn’t have access to something like that. Most people don’t do any kind of magic. There is one species of magical animal, the dragons and not even all those who escapes Valeria can ride them. So, overall, Westeros has a low-key magic system. I feel that’s being artificially enforced and I’d like to know who’s behind it.

@@Holy-Hand-Grenade-of-Antioch we had pyramids and structures we still aren’t sure how were built , the romans and Greeks had sewers, under floor heating, irrigation, and “modern” medicine also created a plaster/ cement (a thousand years before the dark ages..) that still holds and self repairs today, two thousand years later we only think we found the secret to that last year

That's what we all long for! However, I wouldn't keep my hopes high at this point. It's been 13 years. I've made my peace with the thought that when George is gone, somebody else will finish his books and give us the ending.

​@@lilakatzeGRRM is on record saying that that isn't going to happen.

@@Edmures_rampant_manhoodyeah that’s only half of it and without proper context. Adam Whitehead said: “What he also said, once at a convention (possibly WorldCon 2012 or 2013), with a long-suffering look, is that if he was in the same situation as Robert Jordan, being diagnosed with a terminal illness but with a couple of years warning, then he would strongly consider writing a detailed outline or even talking to another writer about doing it (he knows a few). But it’d have to be that very specific set of circumstances.”

@@nox4298 I was sure he said he wouldn't do it, but in this case I'm happy to be wrong.

@@Edmures_rampant_manhood sorry, could you please specify what exactly he said isn't going to happen?

They don't learn, do they? 🤮

they probably got promoted

seriously. oof....

Would have been fine the other way round though. No complaints from anybody. Just saying.

I really wanted this series. They could have just kept the CotF green, or if they wanted them black, just don't make them complete savages. They shouldn't have been depicted as "savages" anyway, just different. Such an easy fix. Snowflakes on the internet really do ruin everything.

I cant take it anymore

George personally has chosen not to write the ending.... you can't convince me otherwise

He can't handle the pressure all these weirdos put on him. Will that said he signed up for it and it would be great if he finished it. He won't because it could NOT live up to everyone's preconceived expectations

​​@@commiehunter733he's reportedly written a few hundred more pages last year, still not optimistic though.

there will never be. Dance was the last that.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that were true.

@@GinsuSher I heard that it was. Because originally, we were supposed to get a Long Knight series. A series about how it all went down, particularly the founding of the Watch. But it got canceled after season 8 happened. The studio had a knee jerk reaction and canceled the long night along other potential ideas they were considering for GOT going forward. Maybe if they did their jobs it would have been decent maybe soothe the anger that came with Season 8. But after that, after they shot their one chance dead, they apparently went back to the drawing board made a NEW list of spin offs. House of the Dragon is one result and thankfully it's decent. But the others that are in development are alledegly the Fleabottom series and a series about Narmaria And I couldn’t give a direwolfs arse about either of them. I want the long night. We should petition for a long night series especially since George doesn't want to finish the books(I think we know why now) We deserve something as good as GOT season 1 through 3

' his family used to own that dock' I see where he got the Lannister' baseline from.. way to go, mommy, how to poison your child's mind with envy & regret.

They will never fix Season 8. The best anyone could do is offer a time-split where the Season 8 issues wouldn't originally have happened, but an alternate reality was created and we got what we got.

Despite what is claimed, she wasn't Lann The Clever, she was mama-Stark, Lann was her stepson.

​@@AnitaClueTelevision is the art of the possible.

@@jamesperkins191 ah thanks

@@jamesperkins191 except that it isn't art when the guys in the suits are making dollars and cents decisions. HBO will not admit to messing up the ending by remaking an entire season.

THAT WAS THIS :-(

Yes there should be Legends in the world but We as the Reader are outside of that world so are privy to any point in it's history. We are as Gods when it comes to storytelling cause we can see into the very minds of the protagonists. Why deny yourself understanding?

@@Fenris30 quite simply because if you want to have a world that feels 3D, actually 4D, you need to emulate the increasing vagueness of the past the further back you go. If you explain everything, you immediately make your world feel flat (temporally) and smaller. It’s like how most fantasy books have maps that only show part of their world, thereby implying a much larger world that serves as a sandbox for the readers’ imaginations. Show the entire world and you’ve placed limits on it. They could get away with it if they created another set of legends going back even earlier, but that world-building takes time.

They should have started with that one

There's probably a reason why they can't release it, but I'm sure there are people who would be willing to buy it on DVD or digital.

I'll watch and resevre my own judgement. Haters telling me "trust me it's crap" is not a real argument

I'm a writer with a very similar personality type to Martin's and I can tell you that the stories come when they come. Sure we can sit down and pound on a keyboard day after day but that doesn't mean the story story we want is the one that's showing up on the screen/page. It's incredibly frustrating to want very much to finish a story but not be able to get the words to come. Trying to force it only makes it worse because stress destroys our creativity, and there's no point in typing out 10000 words of crap that you can't even use. Introverted intuitives do not think, work, or write the same way as other people do. It can be hard for people to wrap their heads around, but it shouldn't be. It's been documented over and over again throughout history that human beings are not all the same. And I can admit that there are days when I wish I had a different personality, one that more people understood, and one that is better suited to modern society.

He is afraid of failure.

He has a massive mental block, no doubt from all the pressure to finish and "get it right" - especially after what happened with the tv series. I understand how he feels because I've had the so-called "writer's block" too. It doesn't matter how much you sit down to write, nothing will come (that's any good). He needs to find a way to let go of the pressure involved and maybe he never will. It ain't about plugging away. It's an internal issue. This is why he can write other things fine - they don't contain the same level of pressure and fear he has around failure. So when he sits down to write, it will flow easily. I know this because I was the same. I could do pretty much anything else with my time, but when it came to writing my novel (the one thing I REALLY wanted to do!) - nothing. The fear would paralyse me. It is hard to understand unless you've experienced it (and it can happen in any form of work, not just writing).

Because the horse drawing disaster season 6 to 8 were. He has basically 2 options. A: follow the HBO disaster or B: betray about a planet full off viewers and write a new ending in his way. The first looks about as harrowing as the second. I wouldn't like to be in his shoes.

@@artisans8521 there's no need to change his ending at all. He will write it in a way that makes sense. It's not possible that it will follow everything done on the show because too many changes were made in the TV adaptation that cannot be done the same in the books (killing off characters who are still alive, combining characters, deleting huge subplots, etc).

Everyone are Snowflakes

They completely fucked over the white walkers in GOT they just abandoned all their interesting plot hooks and such and then in the end were killed by Arya. There’s so much to them that gets set up and just doesn’t get explored in the show. The big two like what happened to the babies that they took and turned? What do all the symbols and stuff mean?

@@hbsavage0387 I've got a list of more than 100 questions about things that D&D left hanging. 😅

the monsters are never the heroes..

@@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970 generally that's true, but it would not surprise me if GRRM turned that on its head. Remember that every man is the hero of his own story. Whatever motivation the monsters have, they always believe they are justified in their actions, and that applies to human monsters too.

​@@hbsavage0387The babies become new White Walkers, the symbols are a mockery of the runes etc used by the Children Of The Forest.

Yeah. This and the Jon Snow show. I'm personally kinda sick of dragons and dragon riders at this point.

YESSS!!!!!

Drogon took Daenarys to the Necromancers in Asshai and she will come back as the night queen! Or the blood queen! Or the zombie queen! I thought the show made that obvious....

@@danbauer3669 Fanfiction is not what Snow was going to be about. Lol

I really want to see Drogon.

@@justbreathe_ You won't.

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT RACISM, EVERRRRYYYYYTTTHHHIIIIINNNNNGGGG

Well these Hollywood types often in their attempted to be more diverse create these rascists or tone deaf moments

speaking from the makeup point, white faces do make pretty bland canvasses to work on.. having said that, why are people more offended at being 'creatures of the wood'than being cast as incestuous murdering fraudes? I'd take the woods any day of the week. Barbarians have more honour than the Lannisters.

I am annoyed with that possibly being the reason especially when we have a watered down version of that with the Valaryons- Lords who were the lesser power in old Valaryia who are now subordinate in the HOTD Westeros with its house leader being constantly dismissed except when the Royal houses need help… The son and daughter of the main house being second choices- one of whose lover was killed and no consequence was faced after. I mean… It’s uncomfortable for me to watch but I put it aside because I love the lore itself. I just try to imagine them all as White characters. This type of inclusion is worse than no inclusion- IMHO

*"diversity is our strength!"* (that's why we have to push it so hard instead of letting it succeed based on it's merits)

That budget was out of control though. $35 million for one episode...without dragons? Maybe after HotD is done, they'll look into it again.

And given it's a part of history with scant surviving record, who is to say there weren't dragons? I think Goldman was saving them up for an end-of-season finale

​@@AnitaClue35 millions for the first episode of a series like this isn't that much. They had to build all the sets, wardrobe and props that would've been used later in the rest of the episodes. They hired high profile actors, lots of extras and I'm sure expensive digital effects were used in some scenes. This had to look equal in quality to later seasons of Game of Thrones, after all.

@@jamesperkins191 GRRM said there weren't dragons.

@@matiasdevaglia4541 the entire budget for season 8 of GoT was $90 million. The seven most expensive episodes they ever made were $15 million each. The $35 mil they spent on Bloodmoon, ep 1, works out to more than a third (38.9% to be exact) of entire GoT Season 8 budget. That kind of spending is not sustainable in light of the fact that shows like this get more expensive as they continue, not less. GoT's per episode cost more than doubled over the run of the show.

Agreed! The 13th lord commander would have been awesome !

Politics and betrays, George should have kept his mouth shut in his last Not a blog.

@@SpiritGirlSF Haven't seen it, what did he say?

Exactly, that's what made GoT interesting and stand out from the rest of TV shows

I really hope they don’t. I would have preferred an Arya Stark spinoff

​@@user-hg3iv5hy3sNext thing you know she lands in Skyrim

​@@jonm3131She might show up in the Yi Ti show

Yeah I'm not convinced they did any real market research for this

Apparently George's input was "NO DRAGONS!" even though lore as written is at least ambiguous on the matter- Arrax, wild dragons on Dragonstone, whatever happened at Hardhome...

I'm right there with you I'm a huge fan of history. Getting a true history of the great houses and how they came to be would be great. I think people want dragons hence the heavy focus on the Targaryen's.

The writers weren't scared at all. Based on reports they wrote garbage that denigrated black people. Who didn't want to do it was HBO, the people writing the check, not the people writing the plot. The plot writers would happily keep writing, but no one is paying them to.

It's difficult to be a die hard fan of the series. I love the world George created and I'm all for exploring different stories in Westeros. But damn talk about leaving us hanging on the main story...

Beyond disappointed, betrayed is more like it. Last Not a blog says it all.

100 %

He'll pass away before the books will ever finish.

I'm down with that.

Maybe we will get it as an anime - many of the proposed spinoffs are animated, and while Dunk & Egg isn't it probably SHOULD be.

Agreed. I'm pretty tired of dragons and dragon riders at this point.

LOL No.

It sounds much more intetesting. HOTD is a good show, but it feels small in scale and stakes when compared with GOT. It's just Targaryens fighting each other in a reduced part of the world.

@@matiasdevaglia4541 Except for the fact that 90% of Bloodmoon was made up by the writers with no input from GRRM Lol That's why it was a disaster.

@@marksaunders3723 no one said it was a disaster and we haven't watched it. The pilot might have been flawed, but so was the first pilot for GOT. They could have corrected the things that didn't work, hire writers really interested in expanding G R R Martin's lore with his oversight. I think they abandoned the show for a simple reason: there were no dragons and that's what most people wanted from a GOT spinoff.

I want to see this pilot. In the abscence of anything contrary (rememvering that most of ASoIaF lore is actually canon-rumor rather than hard facts), THIS IS CANON.

Yeah, HOTD is good, but since it's an adaption we know how it ends Bloodmoon? Not really, it's mostly a blackbox

@@drogon2339nah it was bad tbh the only good thing about it was how good

The first episode of house of the dragon was better than the entire first season of RoP lol.

@@drogon2339there wasn’t so much so that they won 10 awards to House of the Dragons 7 at this point folks just tripping just to trip I can wait till season 2 ROP bruh

@@oscarhayton6555No it wasn’t your smoking crack House of the Dragon was trash compared to Rings of Power I mean the awards speak for itself y’all just don’t wanna give ROP its props I mean HOTD won 7 awards when Rings of Power collected 10 that tells me all I need to know about how bad HOTD is

@@krow5099 Lol Rings of Power won minor awards, HOTD won best drama at the Golden Globes 2023 and the Saturn Award for best sci/fi fantasy show beating ROP both times.

The source isn't relaible beyond a point anyway.

@@jamesperkins191 if it’s a TV show the source will have no issue with spending his time on it…if it’s to finish a book then that’s a different matter 🤣

​@@JohnlivesontheIsleofMannow I get what you're saying! But for the case of what happened during the original Long Night, canon is far from clear... what is known, or thought to be known is folklore and maybe stuff complied by Maesters and amateur achaeologists, much more a case of canon-runours rather than hard facts Now, out of universe George has said 'NO DRAGONS,' but the from the text itself it's ambiguous; there's legends of Dragons in Westeros predating Valyian involvement suchas Arrax and the mirror-knight, there were wild Dragons on Dragonstone and possibly around other volcanic islands, so personally I feel it's something that need not have been absent from Bloodmoon (I was hoping that it was something they were saving for an end-season twist). Anyway, maybe we will get an anime or graphic novel

Nah I dont think so. From what I understand, there are two branches of Lannisters, the Lannisters of Casterly Rock and the Lannisters of Lannisport. Casterly Rock came first.

Lann the Clever winkled the Casterlys out of Casterly Rock. He is the founder of House Lannister so yes, Casterly Rock is their ancestral home. They also founded the city of Lannisport, and a cadet/junior branch of the House lives there.

There was already a settlement there when Caster settled the Rock (zeroth-men, before they became the Children...). The Castrmeres were a cadet House of the Casterleys Lann swindles them / marries the Casterly daughter... Except from what I've heard about Bloodmoon, a Stark princess marries a Casterley Prince, but Lann, who is a half-Andal Stark Bastard with Faceless Man powers kills and replaces the prince and then rapes his half-sister (and never gets any comeuppance for it). Yeah, this is why HBO turned it down I think... they don't want a key houses being the product of incest-rape from members if another key house...

@@jamesperkins191 is that all from Bloodmoon? There was no family named Castamere in canon.

To be honest, that's how many series are...a general idea, and each episode is made up by the writers to fit that general idea. Look at how varied the Star Trek episodes were, little unifying except some costumes, sets and general principles. Or many other series, of whatever genre. The Game of Thrones seasons did seem to go off the rails as soon as they got ahead of the books, but that's asking writers to continue a very complicated storyline (or rather, complicated set of complicated storylines), rather than the relatively blank slate that many series are. (Complicated storylines that took Martin decades to craft, with his fairly unique style, and the writers had probably months to write an entire season.). Apples and oranges, to my mind. I'd be less worried, as long as the seed of the idea was good.

Like the last 3 season of GOT

Why not just have someone write a script? Seems idiotic to start filming anything without a tight script, scene by scene.

​@@pressrepeat2000there was a whole 'series bible' for this show as well as for Empire Of Ash... they had some sort of a backbone overall

Especially regarding anything with white walkers. They ruined it

Yes. I honestly chuckled when Viserys was telling Rhaenyra about the Song of Ice and Fire. Also when I re-watched the GoT series. All the talk about the long night and how Winter will come for all of Westeros yet the White Walkers didn't even make it past Winterfell 🤦‍♀️

A lot of cost will amortize - sets and costumes will be reused, bringing the per-episode cost down. but yes, battle scenes are still expensive

It's not the retcon everyone thinks it is... the Children aren't exactly lying, but what they say can very easily be misunderstood, and intentionally so

And why would a show about Jon Snow resurrect Daenerys?

​@@marksaunders3723 yep she's dead and dead she should say... we shouldn't forgive genocide

I love this idea

The bad GOT pilot is on youube somewhere iirc, and it might be a DVD extra too

I don't want to hear anything about white walkers etc after that shitty ending of GOT.

I haven’t watched any house of the dragon and won’t watch anything else until the original story is complete

But WILL we get the main series concluded? ... I think it gets less and less likely the more time passes.

Probably not, but I still wouldn't want to see this show. Like I don't want to know what happened back then at least until it's certain that the books won't be resolved (Martin bites the dust)@@jamesperkins191

Roberts would be a nice prequel and snow let's us know what happened after

@@bjornjoseph sounds good to me

I don’t think you can get more than 2 seasons out of Roberts rebellion until it would start to feel like they are purposefully dragging it

@@shoazdon7000 that would be plenty, I kinda like the shorter stories anyways

@@DukeJimbob I mean you make a good point, the people vs OJ was an amazing show and it was only one season. Seeing young Robert fight Rhaegar would be cool though

I'm still in denial. I just keep hoping that one day, it will happen.

I think it's possible, but unlikely, that we get TWoW. We'll never see ADoS though. Not a snowballs chance in hell.

A dream of spring. Not a snowballs chance in hell. Winds. I pray at least

Nothing will fix the damage, and what makes you think Snow was going to be GOT season 9? Lol The title gives the clue.