Inthane lithp?

Holy shit really?

I find his lisp endearing.

@@Tengokuchi I mean no offense to this guy. Quality video, but for me it was 50% information, 45 % entertainment and 90% lisp.

Our narrator sounds to me like James Woods after a few drinks.

Elsa Frost this idea is actually very good. Cause it would show how much he actually cared. Funny how so many random people in a comment section can write a better script than D&D....

@@siljapeters2836 ikr 😒 I'm saying that all the time too. Anyone could have replaced Benioff and it would have been better

i think Jon will be Azor when resurectted. Mel and Slyse will burn Shireen

Shireen: What did it cost? Stannis: Everything

@@JohnSmith-is4uu I have no idea who Slyse is

Nikolas Tøllefsen Maybe at first a better liked ruler and his hand would handle things. But as the story goes on Stannis becomes a better king and understands what it means to be king. Saving and serving the kingdom and it’s people by joining the night watch to protect them over his own personal choices.

@@spencersss1251 D&D clearly don't even understand what it means to be a king. Renly was only well loved because he could be a puppet and was meek, all you could want when you're trying to gain power and ascend the hierarchy so to speak. Being loved by your people and having friends in high places doesn't make you a good king but what does is actually maintaining order and ensuring the survival of your very civilization. Stannis at least understands this when in the face of the Others

I loved that part! You can see the panic in his eyes! "Maybe if I keep saying words it will make sens".

choked*

@@MrKILLINOOBZ Yeah, no. You have no clue. I am reading Clash; Renly was followed because he was Robert come-again. Handsome, friendly, a winner. A LOT of his followers were young men eager for glory. No one were trying to 'walk over' him.

Best casting in cinematography

Ironically, a role he only took for the money.

Watch John Adams - he's Thomas Jefferson

@@NefariousEvildoer Dillane actually said he was interested in the outline of the character when it was first presented to him but as the show went on he had no idea why his character was doing the things he was doing he received no proper direction like a bunch of other actors were getting and yeah basically stuck around for the pay check and ended up not really caring when he was killed off

Amazing.

im down for that

10/10

Yes get this person a game of thrones remake deal

@@alphariusomegon3965 As long as Stannis is more like his book counter-part then the show version.

Charles Dance was very good too like Stephen Dillane

Poor Ser Davos was reduced to being shadow of the shadow, how else can you name a character following another character who only says "I duh wannit, my Kween and screams at dragons".

Liam Cunningham was actually really bummed out for a while that Stephen got the boot! The two of them, plus Carice Van Houten, were really close apparently and Liam was fully a Stannis stan in interviews, that was very endearing.

Jerec 12 Jesus Christ this is an accurate hot take

Gleeson did great too, the actors overall were great for the show

I would have served Stannis if I had to pick one of the 5 kings... Only I would have hopefully taken a Davos role, telling hard truths..

@@Skelstoolbox Hard truth cuts both ways Ser aaronwallerj

Mind you, I would have only served Stannis if I thought he had a good shot at winning, like pre-battle of the Blackwater. With Tyrell's full strength under his banner.. ;) Oh Yeah, King Stannis.... That sounds right..

@@Skelstoolbox It is the fault of Loras that Stannis loose. If Renly stand with his brother. The tyrell will follow because there is a quote about the queen of Thorne in the show. She never belived in the claim of Renly and if she saw an opportunity (Willas and Shireen) with Stannis she will take it.

@@Skelstoolbox Same. I wish Robb did the right thing and joined forces with Stannis instead of becoming King Of The North

A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad the good.

@James Lucas Fury Burns...

Because Stannis was a man of honor. Jamie had earned that title and so he made sure he kept it.

Best line in the damn show!! 🤣🤣🤣

Your mom is a full circle

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This is a good idea. I like the full circle closing like that.

That’s exactly what I was going to say

Poor Gendry. Or... Edric

I feel like there's so much Stannis hate, and it's a damn shame. I'm also into the table top miniatures game, and the devs allegedly dislike Stannis (though I'm having a lot of fun list building for him). After finally reading the books, I found him very hard NOT to like, even with his stern personality.

It went from a show where no character is safe, to the "good guy" kills the "bad guy". It got so predictable.

Worth pointing out that in the book Brianne is in the Riverlands, and most likely dead at the point of the battle of the ice.

To be honest Loras probably had more of a right to kill him

@@rachmapu It depends if Lady Stoneheart and The Brotherhood decide to kill her. She is delivering Jaime to them and that should buy her and Podrik's freedom.

They don't even understand what makes a good ruler in a pre-modern context either. They big up Renley who would be a terrible leader and would just throw around money to sycophants. Stannis isn't perfect but he is much closer to an example of actual successful medieval Kings. You can't be too weak, or too kind, nor too ruthless or cruel. He is just, but not stupid.

In the books, Stannis tells one of his knights to put Shireen on the throne if he dies taking Winterfell.

If he ever releases the sixth book.

@@Mr33500 He's confirmed the release date for 2021

@@gfilmer7150 Maybe i should begin reading the fifth book then. Since there finally seems to be some progress. Though when will the seventh book come out? 2030?

@@Mr33500 never. It's obvious.

I imagine several scenarios: 1. Stannis orders the deed himself in a final desperate move when the Others breach the Wall. 2. Melisandre does it after reading the Pink Letter and thinking Stannis is dead, either to resurrect him… or Jon Snow. 3. Melisandre uses a glamor to make someone look like Davos and then does it per the word of the king from his hand. 4. Shireen doesn’t burn but is actually drowned by Patchface.

I also love the exchange he has with his Maester when they're writing the letter to the people and Lords of Westeros about the Baratheon Childrens' bastardry, and he insists that Jamie Lannister, a man he hates, be referred to by his full title of "Ser Jamie Lannister", because "Whatever else he is, he is a knight." At the same time, he insists the part about referring to Robert as his "beloved brother" be stricken out, because he truly had no love for his brother. Even for the sake of a harmless courtesy, he will not lie for any reason. If that sort of thing doesn't make you respect him as a character, nothing will.

@@MrGeorgeFlorcus also the kingslayer part for jamie.

His failure is foreshadowed a million times in the books lol

Asha Greyjoy, Victorian Greyjoy, Littlefinger, Varys all of respected or fear them the men is Badass

@@MrGeorgeFlorcus it doesn't make me respect him, it proves he'll make a terrible king. If he won't even be polite when talking about his own brothers death, how will he hold court? Lead negotiations? Courtesy is a part of life in westeros and the real world.

Making my job easy as balls

Grrm stannis was show stannis, he was still working on the show when it happened. Stannis fans are so full of it

@@donone352 except GRRM Stannis didn't burn people simply for sacrifices, GRRM Stannis wouldn't burn his own daughter because that would be the most pointless thing ever, GRRM Stannis wouldn't be Mel's little bitch. Do you want me to go on? Book Stannis wasn't a cruel Fanatic, he is The King who uses rh'llor as his support.

@@Stei_n book stannis is literally the embodiment of entitlement. He whines about not getting credit before the series, he complains about Ned and Robert being close, and he acts all surprised when nobody just bends over and goes "ok" when he says he's king because a letter (later renounced by the author of the letter) says the princes and princess aren't true heirs, follow this relatively obscure guy. Renly was an idiot but he was right when he pointed out that nobody likes Stannis. You're telling me Mr. "No! I'm the king!" Wouldn't sacrifice people if there was a chance it would work? Macabre compares him to Jon Snow but he's always reminded me more of Danaerys. They both have legitimate claims to the throne, but they both don't realize that's not all that matters and they both get in bed with morally questionable people and their fans act all shocked when it turns out that they're morally questionable.

@@wolverineminer No. He wouldn't sacrifice anyone if he thought it might work. Please read the books, and re-read them if you've read them. Show Stannis: Burns his heir to melt some snow. Book Stannis: “A sacrifice will prove our faith still burns true, Sire,” Clayton Suggs had told the king. And Godry the Giantslayer said, “The old gods of the north have sent this storm upon us. Only R’hllor can end it. We must give him an unbeliever.” "Half my army is made up of unbelievers,” Stannis had replied. “I will have no burnings. Pray harder.” He refuses to burn *some random fucker in his army* and says PRAY HARDER which is just amazing, by the way, lol. He also refuses to allow his men to rape and pillage when they conquer anything, I recall him castrating any of his men that choose to do so, which is extremely rare in Westeros. He has many good virtues. But, Stannis definitely has a chip on his shoulder, is bitter and sees a lot of things as slights. Many of them are slights. Some of them are not. For example, while Robert giving Dragonstone to Stannis and Storm's End to Renly can definitely be seen as understandably unfair and a punishment to Stannis (which is how Stannis takes it) there's another angle to look at it as well: the heir to the Iron Throne under the Targaryens was the Lord of Dragonstone. As Robert had no heirs when he usurped the Mad King, Stannis was his heir, thus giving him Dragonstone. Stannis never thinks of it this way though, showing his mindset and how he broods on things too much. I think it's very likely it was meant as a slight, but, the fact that this alternative possibility never even occurs to him is indicative of his mindset. As for entitlement to the crown: "It is not a question of wanting. The throne is mine, as Robert's heir. That is law. After me, it must pass to my daughter, unless Selyse should finally give me a son. I am king. Wants do not enter into it. I have a duty to my daughter. To the realm. Even to Robert. He loved me but little, I know, yet he was my brother. The Lannister woman gave him horns and made a motley fool of him. She may have murdered him as well, as she murdered Jon Arryn and Ned Stark. For such crimes there must be justice. Starting with Cersei and her abominations. But only starting. I mean to scour that court clean. As Robert should have done after the Trident."

I was literally thinking this when I saw your comment!

@ForgottenOnes A lie, take it out.

@@thepredator9002 Lol. It's true though, he's simply Macbeth. Him killing Renly is portrayed more like Macbeth killing The King of Scotland and him killing his daughter was like Macbeth trying to up tie up loose ends. And Briene is basically McDonald or McDonnel, or whatever the fuck his name was when he killed Macbeth.

@@thepredator9002 Renly was narcissist who thought The World Was His and it was good thing Melisandre killed him. His rise to power was and would've been the catalyst for so many long term civil wars. Everybody with a big army would claim they are the king and so many people would die for no reason. However, it wasn't framed that way in the show, in the show, Renly was buddy who was going to end the reign of the evil Lannisters. They framed him as this golden boy hero while Stannis was manipulated into becoming an evil cult leader.

Like Stannis, Macbeth is a great ruler in real history and Shakespeare portrayed him as a vicious king, whose desire of the throne got him killed

Thought you were talking about Call Me By Your Name at first 😏

@@MacabreStorytelling I had no idea what you were talking about it. After a quick google, I am going to resume not knowing what that is.

Yeah. Another sign of bad writing was D&D's portrayal of Renly as an openly gay wimp with no other personality traits (How's that a better leader, D&D?!). When Renly first reached for the peach, Stannis reached for his own weapon because he considered his little brother an actual physical threat. My first time reading through the series, I didn't realize Renly and Loras were lovers until Jaime gets back to Kings Landing in book three and makes a random threat to the latter.

@@douglasstewart4790 Its a little more than that but yeah, they both needed more to make them feel like a real human. Not grumpy stern man versus joking gay man..

@@douglasstewart4790 Agreed, Renly was a huge let down in the show. Though cocky and a prick to his brother, he was supposed to be extremely charismatic, likable, and even kind (to people whose name isnt Stannis) which is how he was able to garner such a following for his cause. We barely got a taste of that in the show, which made him a horribly weak character.

They also missed that in the book there's a clear connection between Melisandre's power and Danys ability to rouse the dragons (ie they both serve the fire in ice and fire), which leads the reader to think there may be more of a reason for Stannis to trust this power.

the duty thing is fairly clear in the show. I've only watched the show, but that's how I felt about Stannis anyway.

Considering he went north to fight the others instead of persuing the throne. It's not a matter of what you believe, it's objectively true that stannis cares more about the people than the throne. The prince that was promised, our true king, Stannis the Mannis will prevail

I havent read the battle in a while, whould it be right to say he was wounded in a battle and had sex with his nurse (Jeyne Westerling) in a moment of weakness, then to preserve her honor he married her?

@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 That's the basic events yeah, but there was even more depth to it than that. It played into his relationship with Jon Snow, having seen how Catelyn treated Jon all through his life and not wanting to father a bastard. Robb wanted to emulate his father and do the honourable thing, meanwhile show Robb dishonoured both himself and his house because TWUE WUB

Shortening up everything resulted in this. If you ask me the first 5 books alone provided enough material for 8 seasons of TV show. GOT should've been at least 13 seasons long. Unlike Harry Potter (where each book had to be made into a single movie), these writers were given the massive opportunity to create season after season stretching every character and plot line to it's limits. They simply chose not to.

@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 To expand, Mama Westerling is the one that suggested the honeytrap of Robb as a way to earn brownie points with Mac Daddy Lannister. Her family used to be hot shit generations ago, but their gold mine ran dry and the family fell into ruin. She was forced to marry the son of a foreign merchant, a Spicer, to stay solvent. This further tarnished her family name (marry upjumped commoners) in the eyes of hte nobility, and thus further ruin her children's marriage prospects. So when Robb Stark, the traitorous King in da Norf hisself falls into her lap... she encourages her daughter to take "good care" of their "guest." I suppose she told her daughter they should abandon the vile Lannisters and join the Starks, but couldn't just pledge themselves willy nilly: Jeyne needed to "soften up" Robb. Meanwhile, she sends a letter to Tywin detailing her plan (which Tywin promptly approves then begins cranking up Walder Frey/Roosey Goosey) and asking for both a preemptive pardon (declaring for Robb as part of the ruse) while demanding "proper" marriage prospects for her children after the dust has settled. Then there is Robb. He doesn't just howl "hellooooooo nurse" and tap dat ass. He'd been resisting Jeyne at first, but then he hears about Winterfell, Theon, and his barbecued brothers. Racked with not only despair but guilt (no Theon, no scorched Starks... AKA he feels responsible for their "deaths") he finally gives in to Jeyne's seduction and seeks comfort in her "arms." The next morning, he's horrified at what he's done and let's Mama Cuntling twist his arm into a marriage pact. He most definitely feels like this is something Daddy would have done as well. Nedd and his honor! I'll "honor" his memory by marrying this girl I shagged. I can't stress enough that Jeyne was just as much a victim here. She really did seem to love Robb and be all for joining Da Norf, but Mama was just using everyone as pawns to restore her family's "honor." In the end, her son/Jeyne's brother is killed at the Red Wedding defending Grey Wind and Jeyne herself is married off to some Lannister bastards. Oi, and Mama Cuntling was also slipping her daughter some birth control/abortifacient in the guise of a "fertility treatment" to make sure she didn't get preggers with the Prince in da Norf. Upon realizing what her mother has done, she is furious and refuses to speak to her anymore. She really did love Robb. So it wasn't simply a case of hormones, pig headed notions of "honor," or even a moment of weakness. We have guilt and despair, honor, greed, ambition, love, and more... It's not simply "Robb done fucked up" but paints a clear picture of how this young child out of his element could be manipulated (daddy issues), why he lets himself be manipulated (guilt), and why he was being manipulated in the first place (greed). But the show throws all that away by reducing it all to "wuv." God. Damnit.

@@duncanlutz3698 I wish I would have read the books so I could've gotten the depth of her character

Me too i didn't like him until i read the books

The Stannis snarky dry humor is one of the funniest things in the books, one of the reasons I like him the most

G Martin wont finish books. Hes too fat, lazy, has all this new money, old, and lost passion.

@@winterman8248 very well said. I really believe at this point we will never get winds because he has more money than he can spend in his remaining years and he's too lazy and has no incentive to finish..

Even watching the shows I at least could understand why his soldiers followed him. He was the first one to charge into battle always. He led by example and was very skilled Warrior. In his last battle of Winterfell in the show when he drew his sword and was the first man to charge into a much larger horse backed army showed his bravery and the fact he was the last one of his army alive showed his skills.

Eh, idk. It would be a shot in his balls because the show is associated with him and the show being bad can also hurt his carreer in the long run. But Bran being king isn't bad you know? When George says it's gonna be a bitter sweet ending he could mean that humankind can only continue by having a weird entity rule them, one that possesses the most powerful greenseer it can get, and probably "Bran" will look for the next successor and bring him to court. That democracy ending is also bs. That entity will probably possess the next kid who has great abilities as soon as Bran is old. My point is, from a theme and message standpoint it's not only genius but terrifying, not boring like in the show. And one thing I was just reminded of, the story is secretly about different dark entities trying to get the world into their claws. The dragons used to rule (and there's probably another entity behind those, Quaithe all but manipulates Dany's journey, and in the Shadow there is probably some lovecraftian being waiting, and the Valyrians may have learned their stuff from people from Asshai or the Shadow itself), as well as the others before them (there is probably no Night King, but an entity similar to what Melisandre calls "the great other"), and the children of the forest even before that (they have this three eyed crow entity that collects memories, probably to know how to play off these other parties, Ice and Fire, waiting until the great war on the battlefield that's called Westeros). So in fact they probably take back the world after everyone else is cleared out. So in a way, there isn't only the small wheel of noble houses fighting over the west, but also a big wheel in form of shadow entities in the background who try to maneuver them.

Why would he do that though, this story was his baby.

@@clarinamascarenhas7499 still is, but the show not so much anymore. I feel high key bad for him. Idc about people blaming him for not finishing in time. THAT is fan entitlement, contrary to shitting on the Dumbs for ruining the show. George takes as long as he takes, but he'll make art. Michelangelo also took a long time to finish the Sistine Chapel because he wanted it to be perfect. And he too was being pestered by the pope for taking too long. So fuck any philistines who think a masterpiece is created as fast as a shit TV show. Characters you created are a part of your soul. And it must suck so hard to have them abused by some Goldman Sachs brat who wants cool action figures made from human flesh.

Kade Kirkham While I like this theory, King Bran is the plan. These rewrites are epic, mostly for pointing out how D&D failed the ending by trying to make our favorite characters likeable. This betrays the characters if they stick to the same ending. They couldn’t put the train back on GRRM’s rails. 😔

Clarina Mascarenhas Short answer, he wouldn’t.

From where i can get books please.

And apparently season 8 had enough material to be two seasons from just show material alone. People forget we have TWO Books left in ASOIAF

@@raaaaaaaaaam496 and if they're anything like books 3 and 5, they'd have enough material for 2 seasons each.

Actually Seasons 5-7 should be adaptating those two books simultaneously because they kind of happen at the same time.

Bingo!

The book version is probably going to be just Melisandre burning her without permission and in secret. Not the Iphigenia shit the show pulled.

@@Lord_Of_Night If that how it goes, I would actually see Stannis have her executed when he finds out

@@sebastianb.3978 That would probably be what happens next in that situation, yeah.

Fight the good fight Believe what is right Crusader, Lord of The Realm Fight the good fight Believe what is right Crusader, Lord of The Realm

Antien corrector of grammar, father of shadow babies, sufferer of great many things he dislikes....

KING OF THE ANDALS, THE RHOYNAR AND THE FIRST MEN! LORD OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS AND PROTECTOR OF THE REALM!

THE ONE TRUE KING! One realm, one god, one king!!!

The One True King!

Destroyer of Ice, creator of Fire, the one true dragon!

I don't think that would allowed due to copyright infringement (maybe) + george hates fan fic, he would hate us 😅

Lulz

lmao

Passt schon literally same lol

😂😂

Saaaaame. I feel like punching myself in the face because I don't want to hurt my doggies.

another thing the show missed, Renly's darkside

MrUser10001 what does he think of her?

@@naimaahmed9730 sickly and makes fun of her for her greyscale scars, calls her hideous and deformed if memory serves me right

@@TheDragonslaya2000 to say that about his niece is just a stab in the back

Dragonslaya2000 Yh not sure I like Renly anymore

Agreed!

I wonder if Stannis would've even killed Renly in that battle by choice. I can't see it. Even if he captured him I find it unlikely.

@@Newt0rz It's like that scene in Vikings during The Brothers War where Rollo can't to kill Ragnar. Stannis would've captured Renly and maybe even used him as a hostage to gain the support of The Reach in his assault on King's Landing. With The Reach backing him, King's Landing would've fallen in 15 minutes.

Tbf, both said characters you mentioned are absolutely deplorable. Littlefinger they made obvious in the show, but they clearly didn't try and reinforce Renly's many flaws either and made him into this perfect ideal king and then killed him off, then portrayed Stannis as this ambitious power hungry daughter killer because of bad weather and starvation (cuz y'know, no such thing as Deepwood Motte where they could resupply or the mountain clans, had to sucker up Ramsay some more to circlejerk his sadism for a whole nother season when in the books hes absolutely getting mauled by Stannis at the village)

@@MrKILLINOOBZ So fucking true. Renly on the surface seemed like a good king until you realize how corrupt he his compared to Stannis who doesn’t have an ego.

Kacper Sawczak that would be the icing on the cake considering that Jon would actually treat Shireen with honor and respect.

Nut

Stannis never smiles

@@afonsosilvestre7626 way to completely miss the significance of Stannis smiling at this moment.

@@colvamoon6962 what do you meen

@@afonsosilvestre7626 we've never seen Stannis smile, books or show. Having him smile, at his men still believing in him despite walking to their deaths...if that didn't bring a smile to him, then his heart would be too dead inside to make the selfless sacrifices this rewrite presents.

Well said. Per Jaime’s episode, we actually took that scene out for our rewrite as it was stupid as hell.

The only line I can agree with there is "go on. Do your duty" if he's about to get executed by Dany or something. The show fucked him over

Absolutely. There is foreshadowing in the first book where he is compared to iron; hard but brittle. And that is exactly how he went out.

Coco DerAffe This is really where they failed the most. Just saying he isn’t Bran anymore isn’t enough. Showing him (or should I say the 3 eyed crow) being the master manipulator of the story would have made their tragic ending, a tolerable one.

In Season 5, he’s not even there. The dude who wins the game of thrones isn’t even in a WHOLE season. And he’s a robot tree. It would be cool if the show treated him like a villain. Or if it’s Bloodraven controlling him to get the throne and back at the Targs for Aegon the Unlikely sending him to the Wall. Lord.

Bran is the NK

That’s also how I interpreted it when reading the books :)

Vmac1394 I too interpreted it the same- great minds think alike, yes? 🧐🤪 Excellent point on Stannis’ men continued progress on siege craft. As for the shadow assassins... I cannot see Stannis asking, & Melisandre wasn’t telling.

Heather Holt exactly. That was so horrific. I’m still pissed. He was my favorite until then.

@@KellieDoll28 I know but wouldn't her closest living relative actually be Jon snow? I know the baratheons have targ lineage but are still a separate family. And stannis and Robert along with other houses unseated them from their claim. They do use their targeryan lineage to strengthen their claim.

rhys oneill Jon Snow isn’t alive (at the moment)

rhys oneill Can you see my original response to you? It vanished!

@@KellieDoll28 he will soon be resurrected. And just because stannis and daeny are related doesn't mean stannis will Bend the knee. Stannis by right is the rightful heir unless he dies then the next in line will be shireen. In which she will probably be burned by mel and selyse.

me too! This is how it should have gone on the show