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The basic rules for the OG LOTR game were really good. With only a handful of tweaks, could have worked for just about any skirmish wargame. Historical, Fantasy or even sci-fi.

One day I went to a lesser known FLGS outside of town. Upon arriving, I witnessed a massive MESBG Battle underway complete with a giant Helm's Deep model spanning the entirety of two tables with hundreds of miniatures on the board. From that point on, I was hooked.

MESBG is the best game they did. It's figure range sculpted by the Perry Twins. Just brilliant. War of the Ring was good as well.

GW abandoned their best game when they dropped Space Hulk.

“The Print Goes Ever On” provides great STL’s for every LOTR faction. I now have a 500 man Gondor army for less than $80 of resin. Cheers to 3d printing FREEDOM!!

It's not unusual for Games Workshop to give up on a game or just keep changing the rules so often that it is ridiclous.

I get the feeling GW is trying to pivot towards being a multimedia company and MESBG is the only game they make where they can't licence, tv shows, movies, video games etc. But they also know LOTR is one of their biggest competitiors in the multimedia sphere so maybe they don't want to make tie-ins for the competition. Sucks either way, it's the only GW game I've ever been properly interested in

Hot take - MesBG is as good as it is because GW have left it alone. GW currently can't be trusted to write rules - so right now I'm happy not much is coming out for the game. I hope they continue to barely produce anything for the game apart from models - the rules are perfect - LEAVE THEM ALONE. I love not having the constant power creep and updates and Erratas and FAQ's and "balancing" updates every 5 fucking minutes :D

Lol, when your title said "Games Workshop Just ABANDONED Their Best Game" I was thinking sh*t they abandoned Blood Bowl again!?

I can't watch this video as you don't have a thumbnail with a hand on your head.

Ahem... Printer goes BRRRRRRR. If they refuse to support LOTR, and keep all the models "live" instead of phase outs and re-release nothing in their spots, then we make our own. If they want to keep people from "Sailing the Seas" they should increase (fair) access to the models.

All I want is an Easterlings Battleforce like the ones they made for every other faction in the game :/ Seriously, is it that hard to slap the easterling ringwraith into a set of infantry and kataphracts? They're too expensive outside of a box set, and I'm not paying over $200 for basic units when everyone else gets a hero and all that from much cheaper.

Here's my spicey take on MESBG: it is thriving precisely BECAUSE GW treat it so poorly. They have ceded the miniature side of the game to 3D printing, and these days anyone starting a new army should just splash for a printer instead. What's more, GW's merciless profiteering model hasn't impacted MESBG the same way as it has 40k, for example; no endless power creep, no codex spam, no fomo, etc. What remains is, as you say, the best game GW has ever produced, with an amazing and ever-evolving set of (printed) miniatures. I actively hope that it remains this way, as if GW get a sense that they can profiteer effectively with MESBG, it will lose everything that is currently good about it: stable and superb rules, good-enough balance, a community that is very fine with printed armies, and low barrier to entry. All this is to say, if you're thinking about giving it a go, do it, it's a great game in a great spot.

Am I a bad man for hoping Games Workshop somehow loses the license and Atomic Mass Games snags it up to make a Marvel Crisis Protocol/Star Wars Shatterpoint-esque skirmish game with big, beautiful, plastic, sculpts and thematic terrain boxed in a reasonably priced starter set?

I started my hobby journey with this magazine that had Lord of the Rings miniatures and some basic painting supplies. Warhammer never interested me and still doesn't, but I bought loads of LotR miniatures and painted whole armies. The game really deserves better than whatever is going on at Games Workshop.

I've never heard a bad thing about MESB. In a big way the LotR tcg was my table top gateway, I lament never being exposed to MESB in its heyday. Would definitely play a big Nazgul army.

"...their best game" What, Blood Bowl?

I've played lotr when it was released and made a game again a few years ago. I have to say that the game-size only works good on skirmish size. When it comes to an army sized game, lotr is soooo clumsy. You are rolling dice for everything with every model. And nothing happens. For example: shooting with a bow: Check if i hit the first tree, check if i hit the second tree, check if i hit the long gras, check if i hit the guy i want to hit, check if he can save my arrow. A neat simulation for a skirmish game, But when i have to do that for ten or more models...its so exhausting and frustrating😂

For a good chunk of the resin models (Halflings primarily) Wargames Atlantic make some really cheap multi-part plastic kits that could do the job. Obvs cannot be used officially, but I doubt many stores even host LOTR nights anymore anyway

I think it is pretty clear between what we've seen happen and GW's statement when they revealed the forge world diorama at the beginning of the year that there are legal/ip issues preventing them from releasing new content as planned.

I am still salty that when they announced the diorama at warhammer fest in... april? they said 'you will get a lot of anouncements for mesbg soon'. and when we do get an announcement more than half a year later, it's... 'same kit in different plastic'.

I watched the French tv series Les Revenants. Very interesting take on the living dead with a small group of people randomly coming back to life years after they died and the chaos it causes in a small town.

Didnt you hear that FFG beat GW out on new contract negotiations with Tolkien Estate about the same time Saul Zents Inc sold its rights in lotr and Amazon confirmed season 2 on its show. GW still has an option to exercise by end of January buuuut I dont see them being very passionate about that. Scuttlebutt I heard from retail insiders in the German market is FFG has beef with GW. Because GW droped them from the production of GW paper poducts for games. because FFG decided to compete in the miniature fantasy IP with Rune Wars. FFG was motivated to give a better offer for acces to the Tolkein property just to stick it to GW and make life more expansive for GW.

Always glad to hear content creators in this space making sure to let people know the truth that MESBG is the best GW game! However It’s been a really frustrating year as a MESBG player, I understand as Middle Earth isn’t their IP it’s not as easy to get the green light to create and release stuff like it is to make GW’s 90th Space marine captain every week. It’s the lack of communication, they did say on the live stream “we do have more to show you but atm we can’t say anymore” it’s just such a shame there was a real momentum building last year with some great releases and the box set around Christmas it felt like 2023 it was going to go and really kick on!

The most important lesson I've learned from the LotR is that you shouldn't eat cherry tomatoes while other people are watching

I was told by a GW rep that the problem is that GW has to get every single thing approved by the Tolkien estate first then approval from the Weta folks in NZ to for the style to match the movies and all. Add to that the license for LotR stuff is prohibitively expensive. I used to own a local game store, In the early days of MESB it was an easy sell. Around 2015 it really started to drop in sales. Today its GW's fourth bestselling game, 40k, AoS, Horus Heresy, then MESB, and according to my contacts in retail the game market it has dropped market share every single year since around 2015. In the end It just feels similar to how WFB went out. Licensed products are less profitable by their very nature. I don't agree with that, but it is what it is. Corporations are always going to act in their own self-interest. Love the channel, keep up the good fight.

Me reading the title : "... what, again?"

I'm pretty sure GW did have high expectation about the LotR Amazon series tRoP, but since it was a total fail, it's hard to justify starting a new line of miniatures base on the series as they did with the movies to start with new sculpts and models. So it pretty much seals the deal there.

God, Why would anyone pirate the rules? I sure hope someone would tell me what sites to avoid so I won't stumble upon them by accident.

That segue between a terribly disguised hobbit fingering joke and this videos sponsor was smooth Discourse ;p I think you hit the nail on the head regarding 40K being a "character-led" IP now. For me part of 40K's appeal was the fact that it was such an enormous setting, with more than enough room for me to have my own characters in my own force. You can still do that, of course, but GW themselves don't seem to be in a very facilitating mood these days. Also the Primarchs tend to be massive bellends and I don't find them all that compelling tbh.

I think you are even underselling the game! The books for MESBG are SO worth it... I think they are the nicest rule tomes GW ever released and the risk for codex creep is next to none compared to 40k. Yes, there are quite a few books but they are all optional, fill a mostly nieche purpose and wont get outdated just through points adjustments or range refreshes.

good video as usual but could you please put a time stamp of where exactly in the video Games workshop JUST abandoned their best game? I mustve missed it. Thanks :*

I’ve never got the opportunity to play LOTR, but IMHO Battlefleet Gothic was some of their best work. It was a passion project not just a money grab.

Well, Epic Space Marine (40K in mini format) never had alpha-striking. In that game each detachment fired. It was designed so that each player laid down order makers, revealed them and then the play who won the initiative moved first. Then other other player moved and then we came to: - First Fire: The detachment couldn't move but could fire in the start of the turn. - Close combat: Well...hack'n'slash! - Advance fire: Move and then fire. For example: A space marine company was made of three detachments of 6 stands/units plus three rhinos with a HQ unit. All in all four separate units that did move separate. Each fired separately so no alpha-strike. You could say that the movement phase could decide the battle and why don't the players move one detachment at a time switching from one player to the other? I tried that for one battle. That battle was nearly twice as long as a normal Epic Space Marine battle! A battle of Epic lasted about two to three hours.

It’s really sad that I can’t get anyone in my local area to play any game over than 40K. Even my AOS beast of chaos army goes unused most weeks. Games like mesbg and malifaux are impossible to find people to play with. Thank god that my friend got into middle earth at the same time I did and we can enjoy games together. It sucks that GW doesn’t advertise mesbg the way they do their other games, because I’d wager there would any more players if they did.

i have never done this, and you caused me to break a moral rule I promised myself I never would... but your fucking ad transition was so seamless, it was like watching the baby of Art and Science dance with the Muse of Performance herself to produce a magnum opus, I had to give you a Like. Thanks for making me support capitalism, Discourse. I hope you're happy.

I wish I kept up with it. I started second one of minute one of the game. And it just made sense but the Fellowship era wasn’t a massed battles game it was “which members of the Fellowship are here, and can they run away?” It turned me off to the game. So I have my painted fellowship and LE Bilbo and basically nothing else. Until I bought the boxed game with the moria goblins and a cave troll. My partner LOVES LOTR, so I am working in getting her into it….and 40k…and AoS…

So a friend of mine bought the 2003 Urukai v Rohan Riders starter kit when it was released, didn’t care for it after painting two models, and gave it to me about two years ago. I didn’t know the rule book would still be valid minus some FAQs and story additions! Maybe I should dust it off….

There are plenty of good 3d print LOTR minis out there, far better than most of the GW range. I thought that GW had lost some LOTR licences earlier this year, and that the game and minis only had as short life left. Surprised when the clear plastic warriors off the dead were announced, anyone as you say, has a warrior of the dead army, painted up is unlikely to want to replace, if they had been different sculps it would be far better. The rules can of course be used with any minis, not just overpriced GW ones. 😊

It's the one IP GW will never give up because it would be too valuable in the hands of a competitor. So they will just sit on it and do nothing with it. Kind of reminds me of what happened with the X-Men with Marvel. They had sold the film rights to X-Men to Fox (and Spider-Man to Sony) and all they had left was the much less popular Avengers characters (the X-Men comics were their biggest sellers and most popular characters, by far). Lo and behold, when their Avengers movies took over the world, they had to stop promoting their own X-Men comics since they didn't control the rights for the movies, and didn't want to promote characters for a competing studio's movies. So their most popular comic franchise withered on the vine solely because of corporate intrigue.

In july this year I made a list of all the new stuff that came out in 2023 (up until july) for Blood Bowl, Necromunda and Middle Earth. It was a total joke for MESBG. Both BB and Necromunda got 10 new minis, books, dice and some other stuff in those 7 months. Middle Earth got 2 new pieces of terrain and the road diorama, which affect the actual game 0%. Don't forget theres supposedly a whole Middle Earth department hired at GW doing not sure what.

Aww, crap... I recently unearthed a box of unpainted minis I bought 20 years ago and bought some paint and the new edition of the rules because I was thinking of getting into it finally.

The great Christopher Lee never accidentally wandered in on any movie set, the sets were build everywhere in the hope he would bless them with his presence! Such audacity has seen many a potato field burned, better be careful woman!

As a non-player of LotT, the one thing I have been aware of is the effort GW finally seem to be putting into proper LotR terrain sets. The lake town, Rohan and now Gondor building sets are wonderful - and will no doubt be selling reasonably well to RPG players as well

god i remember getting a box of the fellowship back in 03 or whenever it was released. I cant remember if it was actually a 'learn to paint' kit, or if it was being sold in/with bundles, because sooooooo many people were buying them, a few to play the game, but most people just coz "cute lotr models". i was too poor to buy much stuff then (15yo in high school with no job lol) and i got REALLY bored of having just the fellowship, but they did end up becoming figs for dnd, so :D

I started with lord of the rings back in the day, back when they released return of the king starter box. Fun times, models painted crap ofc cause I was young. Learning it was far better to build armies that matched instead of completly random collection of units that made no sense.

As far as I can remember GW's license only applies to the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit film's and not the books. this does limit them to some extent on what they can do and they seem to be trying to hang on to the license in the same way that New Line produced c@&p Hellraiser films until they got the idea how to continue it. New sculpts could be the way to go but from a commercial point of view how many would they sell? On a more personal tangent, the next Liverpool Comicon has Frodo .Eowyn, Merry (or Pippin - the one that wasn't Scottish) and Theoden in attendance - probably expect more. So if you want to get Frodo's ring on you're finger I'll alert Elijah Wood's bodyguards (Sam, Merry and Pippin)!

For those looking for affordable proxies for LotR games, I'd recommend looking at Oathmark's model range. Their selection of Orcs and Goblins is especially impressive, and have a much more grounded look similar to Lord of the Rings than the more cartoony Warhammer variety.

So basically what I am seeing here, print your army in sweet resin detail and don't feel guilty because I have a damn hard time find any models here in South Africa. I have the 4 war hosts and the new starter set, now they do this... Lovely.

Long-term players of MESBG have been through this before. During the 2013-2015 timeframe, which was post-Hobbit movies, they didn't even get figures released to cover many of the models to tie-in with the 3rd movie. For 3 years GW basically released nothing, and it was during that time that the playing community took it upon themselves to keep the game going. Regardless of what GW does now, the game will continue, with proxied models if need be.

Very nice segue into the VPN ad. I literally didn't see it coming until it was launched. That takes some serious talent in the middle of a LOTR post!

Just a potential caution to anyone still considering the clear plastic Army of the Dead minis. If the plastic is the same as the invisible ringbearers, it is quite brittle and discolours in sunlight. Swords and banners will almost certainly snap off and the superglue you need to use to repair the damage will fog the clear plastic of the mini. In my opinion, these are purely display models not gaming pieces.

"Games Workshop Just ABANDONED Their Best Game"... but actually "Games Workshop haven't recently released anything for what USED to be their best selling game".

A lot of Vitrix and Perry miniatures make great replacements for the stuff GW doesn't make or make 3 resin models of :) Good video - thanks

When it came out, the guy in the store sold it to us as a way to re-enact scenes from the movie. (Although we went with Fantasy instead) I don't know to what extent the game is still tied to the films. But, the Hobbit films 2 & 3 were just okay, and not especially inspiring in comparison to the LoTR films. And RoP from all I've heard was a monumental failure, especially failing to interest LoTR fans. It could just be that GW was hoping these film releases would provide new interest in the stories, and that in turn would drive new interest in the game. Since that maybe hasn't happened, GW might just need to sit on things for a while from a business perspective. So I'm sympathetic on this one because it seems interest and viability of this game is partly in the hands of other people who may or may not be able to create a decent film. Although, resin models for miniatures that aren't special pieces is an ongoing problem GW should have fixed years ago.

I worked for Games Workshop for four summers. It was so HARD to get any employees into LotR. Like read all rather play Battle fleet Gothic, Blood bowl, anything. 1) The LotR rules were bad. They really just weren't fun nor tactical. 2) The miniatures were on a different scale from Warhammer so you couldn't even use any of those really cool miniatures in other games. 3) I always knew that it sold well but not in the Boston area. I sold so few boxes of that stuff. Mostly the people who just wanted to paint D&D figures and like the Lord of the Rings models.

I've been saying for a while now that Games Workshop have switched from selling wargames with a small but pretty decent collection of figures for each army to play games with to selling very impressive looking model kits for collecting that just happen to have a set of rules to play wargames with...

Considering yesterdays announcement I'd say this aged like fine milk.

I've seen no inkling of the community presuming the game has been abandoned? Honestly I did a double take on a number of LOTR groups i'm in and none of them have mentioned (or suggested) this. There was dissatisfaction with the pace (and volume) of releases for LOTR. But I have seen some intrigue about the new Warriors of the Dead - suggesting that GW is testing the waters for revamping the Nighthaunt with the new clear plastic. I collect/paint Angmar in Middle-Earth. A choice inspired by my first MMORPG - LOTRO. LOTR also got me into Warhammer when my childhood friend mentioned that a store was producing models of them (my dad paints historical models so the dots essentially connected).

Not really too much to do with the price of eggs, but my gaming buddy and I have got a lot of fun out of using LoTR miniatures for Dragon Rampant. It's a unit based game, rather than individual models off doing their thing, but is a lot of fun and being minis agnostic can accommodate just about whatever you have in your collection.

They won't care about the LotR IP anymore, because they are very limited as to what they can actually do with it. They can't sell novels changing the storylines, they are likely limited as to their agreements for what they can cast etc. And on top of that, there remains a risk that the IP may be pulled entirely one day and they lose the ability to sell any of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they take the ruleset and move it over to one of their existing IP's in the future.

I bought the Hobbit starter, as well as the Battle of Osgiliath. I always intend to play, but never get around to it. It is nice having a different fighting system from the videos that I have seen. It is a shame they don't make more models, because I would definitely want to buy them.

I mean, all characters have got a updated resculpt. Plus easterling got a bunch of new models plus all the old factions that where never in stock which made impossible to play are all back in stock. They’ve even got troop choices that where only in the book not the films. All the troop choices models still hold up today, bar woodland elves and galadrium warriors. So yeah only real profitable thing GW can do is make one offs and limited releases. Creating new troops or characters out of thin air will just annoy everyone because they won’t be true to Tolkien.

Ooh a Three Kingdoms clip 14 years after it was on tv! I'm glad you still remember that show, it was brilliant! Great video! :D

Part of it is they may be up for having to pay up to renew the rights, and that may cost more than the bean counters would like

I can't believe this! I only just heard about MESBG about a month ago & it's already discontinued. I want to get back into the hobby. Waiting for The Old World now, I guess.

Yeah some of the big troops kits could use new plastic kits. Big thing is models that have no kits available I would love new plastic kits. Then get plastics for resign or metal.

Skip to #10:40 to find out what she's actually talking about. TLDR: It's not discontinued, she's just ranting about how there hasn't been new minis in a long time

This is on of the better satire content channel going at the moment.

I love MESBG because I'm an idiot. I can't keep up with all the rules in 40k. I just find it all so needlessly complicated. But MESBG is easy, it keeps the pace quick and it doesn't get bogged down with overly complicated rules. And for this reason, I'm kinda glad that MESBG doesn't receive attention. 40K gets a new edition every 3-4 years and so that means rule changes faster than I can learn the rules in the first place. MESBG is perfect so GW should never change the rules. But it is such a tragedy that they have abandoned it completely. We don't want changes to the rules, but we need changes to the models. I can think of many updates I'd like to see (separation of last alliance box into dedicated elves and men boxes, hobbit army made affordable with 24 model plastic kits, iron hills made affordable with plastic kits instead of forge works resin, all characters getting new plastic models, characters like Gil Galad who have an option to take a horse should actually get a model with a horse , more battle hosts so that every army might get a look in from new players, a new fellowship kit, command squad box for all armies, all models to be sold on GW website rather than leaving many absent 11 months of the year and more space in GW shops dedicated to MESBG to name but a few.) I know it's not currently their biggest seller but every GW shop I go to, the staff tell me that everyone thinks it's unpopular when it's actually bigger than people realise. But you'd never know this due to a lack of releases and the fact most shops only stock like 4 boxes. Now I think GW missed a golden opportunity to make MESBG popular again. But it's not entirely too late. Rings of Power was that opportunity. Now I'm not saying make RoP models. The show was far too divisive for that. Not to mention I don't think GW had the rights to RoP and mixing these designs with the Peter Jackson trilogy designs would be confusing. But GW really should have used this time to bring the mother of all expansions to MESBG. The Last Alliance expansion. Released alongside RoP to capitalize on that 2nd Age setting. The 2nd age armies are lacking. With many options either unavailable as models or simply not available as playable units even if there were models. For example why does Numenor not have cavalry? So if I was GW, I'd give MESBG the Horus Heresy treatment. Not in the form of a separate game but in the form of a HUGE expansion. This is what I'd do. - Expansion book featuring new 2nd age scenarios. - New Sauron model in plastic - New Gil Galad model, in plastic, foot and mounted, with accompanying high elf with horn to complement the newish Elrond with banner bearer. - New Isildiur model, in plastic, mounted and foot, with accompanying numenor banner bearer. - New Elendil model, in plastic, mounted and foot, with accompanying numenor horn - New High Elf troops box with swords, spears and bows (not tied together with numenor) - New Numenor troops box with swords, spears and bows (not tied together with Elves) - First time Numenor Cavalry box - A new Orc troop box (to be mix and matched with current 2 boxes for greater variety of orc options) - Some new Orc Captains to help Sauron lead the armies of Mordor. The expansion book should come with rules for 4 playable factions. High Elves, Numenor, Mordor and Easterlings (were present in books even if not in films) and so making Battlehost boxes for each of these 4 factions would be an extra awesome move to really push the importance of the 2nd age expansion. And if they were feeling especially creative and wanted to take it a step further, why not refresh the Durin line of models and create a new 2nd age Dwarf faction and reimagine some new Easterlings to create a 2nd age Rhur army. Really push the boat out for a 2nd age of middle earth. And to add an extra bit of wonder and excitement, I'd also recommend a commemorative model of a character who is often overlooked but is so important to the story Celebrimbor, the elf who forged the rings of power. How could this not generate excitement for MESBG. High Elves and Numenor would be revamped into armies that are actually practical to collect. Mordor gets new stuff. And then the potential creation of 2 new armies in 2nd age Easterlings and Dwarves. If anyone at GW is reading this, please think on this because I'm certain this will please MESBG after a year of disappointment. And it would be a great way to generate new interest in the game. Especially since you can make it feel new without having to set up a whole new game, simply by shifting the setting and the narrative for this expansion.

Here in South Africa finding any models are difficult, I have now resorted to printing what I need. Resin printer, some resin and the correct model, army ready in less than 2 weeks. That is quicker than any order from anywhere, the cost is not insane and it works. So I have started to support GW less and less after they killed off WHFB, the biggest challenge here if you have models? Finding an opponent.

Lotrs sbg was my first game into the hobby, $50 got u the starter box that included 2 armies, terrain supples and a rule book that included 75% of the current units at that time. When the hobbit movie released those scumbags bought back all the product they could find from all game stores. Re packaged everything with a new label so they can remove half of the product within n charge double over night. The core rules to this game hasn’t changed over the 4 most recent editions so if u find an older rule book u can still enjoy it. Also there are like 4 3D sculptors that make far better quality then the official minis, at a fraction of the cost also. Codex doesn’t exist in the game. And fuck gamesworkshop

I’m probably the weird one, but I honestly just want those minis so I can use them in my D&D campaign. 😁

They also arent all the models in the range, like the banner bearer and the mounted models.

MESBG is the first Warhammer game that I got introduced to, and that's only in the last 6 months and wish they would release some new models!

That was the best transition into a sponsor spot! Very nice!

Did the elbow get lopped off or does it have the day off?

I don't play MESBG because the IP doesn't lend itself to what I want from a wargame: making my own armies and stories. I love LotR and The Hobbit, but I couldn't possibly care less about the stuff that happens outside of those stories. But I can easily make up my own City in AoS that weaves the story of several of my armies together, or my own CSM warband (even if it is from within an existing Legion). I just don't feel that same interest in the LotR setting, and I will play games with worse rulesets if I get to play models I care about with a story that engages the creative center of my brain.

It's mental they haven't updated with new sprues the original 10-12 plastic kits by now? It would be well worth the investment. I swear maybe there's a legal reason they can't update them or would have to pay out % in fees if they tried to make new versions.

Never did like the Middle earth games..... However losing a specialist game is always annoying... BFG, Necromunda, Mordheim, Inquisitor, far too many not only dropped but discouraged.

No problem, Let the 3d print community thrive lol

I heard that GW will be losing the rights soon as Warner Brothers gear up for making new films and are reviewing all their licencing options. The latest Lord of the Rings boxed set was in my opinion GWs last chance to milk the franchise before losing the rights which is why your not seeing new content.

I think GW are possibly keeping the Middle Earth licence going because there are new films on the way that might give it a boost in the not too distant future

I bought an easterling army years ago but couldn't convince my fantasy/40k groups to try.

Video Request: I would be VERY interested to see a ranked list of what you think are the best miniature wargames

I live on hope for sweet sweet updates! 🙏

Ill have to 3d print the Lake town guards, they are crazy expensive for a horde unit

i love my little hobbit army, but god was it expensive to collect, especially with aussie prices

After Rings of Power I wouldn't be surprised for them to want to finally phase out MESBG. They already held onto the license for too long. And now they're risking to get screwed by it like FFG was with Star Wars.

MESBG is an excellent system though I’m not a fan of Jay Clare’s special strikes. I really enjoy the narrative scenarios from the films and books. Battle Companies is good too.

In my opinion, they don’t even need to release new models. They should just make models from all factions available to purchase… Nothing is more frustrating than going on their webpage to see that for some really cool factions only like 20% of their range is even available…

I really wish there was scifi rules version of LOTR tabletop

Looking good keep up the amazing work 👍

I didn’t know they actually made movies on this game!! Wow. Might check it out

Just played a battlecompanies campaign, since i was unsure i wanted to commit to a big army, my printer Really helped me along with some nice proxies if GW dont take care of the game..well the community will

What did they announce? Are they actually dropping this game? The Army of the Dead models were announced a while ago. Have they actually said something to suggest they are dropping the IP?

I have been dreading the next Discourse vid on MESBG.

GW hasn't abandoned MESBG 😂 True the releases for MESBG are far slower than all of their other games, but that's because of a combination of factors, mainly that's simply because they don't own LOTR IP. I started playing 16 years ago when you couldn't buy half the models, and no one played the game. However, since the relaunch in 2017 the game has been a big cash cow for GW and loads more people have gotten into the game. Compared to how GW treated their best game before and after 2017 it's been a massive improvement but more than that the community is very much alive and thriving. There's a tournament coming up soon at my LGS at 450 points that's sold out 120 tickets with more people on the reserve list. To put into perspective that's like having a tournament for 40k at 750 points sell 120 tickets which imo I could not see happening. TLDR silly video with click bait title. MESBG has not been abandoned by GW

Well I use the Lotr minis for my ttrpg campaigns since the value per mini is great