Gaunt's Ghosts Rules Review - what can they do in game?

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Let's take a look at the rules previewed for the Ghosts today...
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0:00 Intro
0:47 Squad Rules
3:26 Squad Members
6:16 Synergies

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@auspextactics
@auspextactics 3 жыл бұрын
CORRECTION: It seems Bragg can keep on 'trying again' until he actually hits with a shot! Quite funny that he's 100% guaranteed at least ONE hit with the autocannon :)
@mavrick195
@mavrick195 3 жыл бұрын
For real?! That's awesome but is also a bit overpowered... Not that 1 auto cannon shot is gonna make or break the game
@Yormolch
@Yormolch 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't a "rules that generate further attacks, cant generate further attacks again" clarification exist? I think that topic came up with witch-cults, or Tau or something.
@WhatAreFr0gs
@WhatAreFr0gs 3 жыл бұрын
@@Yormolch There was a clarification but it I don't think it applies here. The rule for Bragg is that if he misses all his attacks, he can shoot again, so basically starting his 'shoot' action from scratch not generate additional attacks in the same 'shoot' action if both shots miss if you catch my drift?
@StrohkopfLord
@StrohkopfLord 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, and now shoot him with grenade... then no hist from autocannon is scored, so we can shoot again with grenade, and again, and again...)
@Yormolch
@Yormolch 3 жыл бұрын
@@WhatAreFr0gs so he is either gonna be faqed hard, or will remain hillariously broken.
@stuntmankelp3198
@stuntmankelp3198 3 жыл бұрын
I like how in the madness of 40k you’ve got all sorts of warp trickery from tzeench’s forces, the deception of the alpha legion, and all sorts of stealth from the assassin sects. But these camo cloaks are apparently the sneakiest
@Sir_Tomoyuki
@Sir_Tomoyuki 3 жыл бұрын
Dan Abnett wrote both the Gaunt's Ghosts series and Legion (the Alpha Legion Horus Heresy book). There might be something there, heh.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sir_Tomoyuki Dan Adnett loves his sneaky bois.
@paulgray5961
@paulgray5961 3 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, if Chaos didn't destroy it I reckon the Inquisition would've looked closer into Tanith..... a planet full of Trees that move?
@lt.branwulfram4794
@lt.branwulfram4794 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the Raven Guard.
@TheRealTri
@TheRealTri Жыл бұрын
@@paulgray5961 I mean there's stranger plants in 40k (orks)
@starak97
@starak97 3 жыл бұрын
The bragg auto cannon rule guaranties at least 1 hit from the auto cannon, since the rule says "each time this unit has resolved its attacks" and " immediately shoot again" with out any cavoite to limit the shoot again ability. so he has the most reliable auto cannon in the game
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
**caveat
@Lomhow
@Lomhow 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta get these guys for Kill Team
@marcocardoso8745
@marcocardoso8745 3 жыл бұрын
I would love for these to have official Kill Team stats. I bought them for Just this reason and I will try myself at making Stars myself If I don't get any 😅
@joshuareffo2600
@joshuareffo2600 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is why I’m buying the models instead of just the books
@spoonsrattling
@spoonsrattling 3 жыл бұрын
These guys seem like they would be very fun to run, maybe not Uber competitive but still fun
@simonwebster1370
@simonwebster1370 3 жыл бұрын
Fun is all that matters
@spoonsrattling
@spoonsrattling 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonwebster1370 very truee!
@longhunter5935
@longhunter5935 3 жыл бұрын
As a Guard player since 7e, it’s all about fun...if it all about running a competitive group we wouldn’t be playing guard. Just Say’n
@spoonsrattling
@spoonsrattling 3 жыл бұрын
@@longhunter5935 yeah I get ya
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 3 жыл бұрын
The best part about these rules is how fluff accurate they are. ESPECIALLY BRAGG
@deuxexkane2659
@deuxexkane2659 3 жыл бұрын
Fun rules. Kinda surprised they didn't give Oan Mkoll some bonus vs armored units and HQ units. But it fits the timeline the models represent, which seems to be during one of the first three books.
@evilwelshman
@evilwelshman 3 жыл бұрын
Just a point of clarification, I think with 'Try Again' Bragg's special rule, I think - as written - he theoretically gets to keep attempting to shoot again so long as he doesn't hit since the rule doesn't specify that he can only make one further attempt.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think so too.
@Lightman0359
@Lightman0359 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't 9e add a "1 reroll per die, no exceptions" clause? I think they did it as a counter to hyper re-roll cheese.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lightman0359 you're not re-rolling. You're shooting again. It's an entirely separate attack.
@Lightman0359
@Lightman0359 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesloder8652 I just read the teaser. While yes, it does say he attacks again, it also triggers "when the unit resolves its attacks" so (using good game design logic, admittedly absent from many GW products) it should only trigger once per shooting phase, unless you use some strategem, psychic power or other cheaty thing to allow the unit to fire again in that shooting phase.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lightman0359 I agree, it's just incredibly ambiguously worded. Although I think that the new FAQ much might also clarify this? Didn't they add a rule that says 'attacks generated by rules that grant extra attacks cannot in turn generate further extra attacks?'
@DamplyDoo
@DamplyDoo 3 жыл бұрын
Literally you cannot shoot them more than 18 away?! This sounds powerful
@andrewbakescakes9684
@andrewbakescakes9684 3 жыл бұрын
I suspect they meant to have a line similar to "if there are other friendly units closer to the firing unit", as that would be in line with similar effects in other books.
@RSBurgener
@RSBurgener 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds amazing. When GW creates stuff like this, I think it always makes the game more fun to play. I don't know how competitive it'll be, but I don't think that's the point. I haven't read the books, but if you have, I bet this makes for a really great game experience. It's like Herohammer, but you're using the underdogs. It makes the regular guy punch above his weight and take on some fearsome opponents.
@gringotom242
@gringotom242 3 жыл бұрын
The different stats for lascarbines being used by different soldiers is odd and a bit confusing. Why not just invent different weapon names instead? I wonder if it does hint as changes to the basic lasgun stats in a future guard codex though....
@ctb3335
@ctb3335 3 жыл бұрын
Colm's carbine is a hotshot which is why it has a higher AP. Oan's just got a normal one. Kinda flies in the face of the fact that hotshots are almost always externally powered by a backpack instead of using a battery but okay.
@vodarara7184
@vodarara7184 3 жыл бұрын
@@ctb3335 As per the Dark Crusade RPG you can get hot-shot powerpacks they just have significantly less shots - depends on the mission your doing if you use a pack or powerpacks.
@CB-sf9mx
@CB-sf9mx 3 жыл бұрын
​@@ctb3335 Didn't Abnett make his own rules up when it came to their weapons?
@inquisitorkobold6037
@inquisitorkobold6037 3 жыл бұрын
@@ctb3335 Actually, there do exist specialized power packs for hotshots, but those are pretty rare. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Corbec were able to get his hands on one, knowing what the Ghosts get up to whenever they're away from the front lines.
@Dragonspirit223
@Dragonspirit223 Жыл бұрын
@@ctb3335 Actually as per the Primer, any lasgun could be turned up to a Hot-Shot equivalent, the only issue is that it burns their ammo significantly, and might damage the powerpack and rifle itself if used too much; hence the external power cord the Scions and Kasrkin employ
@prizrak69
@prizrak69 3 жыл бұрын
killteam vibe
@paulhudson8725
@paulhudson8725 3 жыл бұрын
Normally, I am a bit annoyed when they get the inspring leader WL trait, but with Gaunt I can allow it.
@amulrei8149
@amulrei8149 3 жыл бұрын
Rather sad seeing Gaunt without his power sword or Rawne without tube charges.
@bonomael7902
@bonomael7902 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but brag and Corbec are still alive. But we don't have the over from the multiple reformation
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 3 жыл бұрын
Do tube charges even HAVE a stat line in 40k?
@VorpalDerringer
@VorpalDerringer 3 жыл бұрын
@@KillerOrca What are tube charges? I don't recall them from Guns of Tanith.
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 3 жыл бұрын
@@VorpalDerringer 40k Charlie 4. Remote detonated high force explosives. They show up in a couple of books, the Tanith love em
@andrewamann2821
@andrewamann2821 3 жыл бұрын
Even sadder that the original run of metal models for this set was twice the model count, iirc...
@Makarislethal
@Makarislethal 3 жыл бұрын
I'd include these for fun with my scions maybe lol
@smokepotion6981
@smokepotion6981 3 жыл бұрын
so, if Bragg throws grenades, and doesn't shoot with the autocannon, then he can just keep chucking grenades until there's no more enemies?
@SilverOilman
@SilverOilman 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this loophole on Facebook. It seems valid as the rules are written but I imagine it'll be "fixed" in the next FAQ
@Chris-jl6vp
@Chris-jl6vp 3 жыл бұрын
"Yeet again" Bragg
@smokepotion6981
@smokepotion6981 3 жыл бұрын
@@SilverOilman my guess, they just wont give him grenades.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 3 жыл бұрын
@@smokepotion6981 That, or they'll be sticklers for the idea that you can't shoot multiple grenades, because you only have the one grenade on the character.
@smokepotion6981
@smokepotion6981 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bluecho4 maaaaybe. but usualy grenades is plural in the codex,a nd you can use them over more then one turn. This isn't 5th edition, we dont have ammo checks no more. :)
@lukekline5818
@lukekline5818 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Auspex, I was thinking of a series idea for you. What if you had players send in their army lists and you could rate them and give them tips to make it a stronger army comp.
@lewissmith5759
@lewissmith5759 3 жыл бұрын
i think this is a fun way to make more themed lists, they should do this for other armies/chapters, release 3-4 characters in the same box
@Cheapstall
@Cheapstall 3 жыл бұрын
The hot shot “carbine” has more range than the hot shot rifle?
@fan9775
@fan9775 3 жыл бұрын
Its special.
@ChrisJohnson-vi3ed
@ChrisJohnson-vi3ed 3 жыл бұрын
This could actually be really good, but it's going to be a pain to use because it's in an HQ slot, which is already full of company commanders and tank commanders.
@mattkelly6226
@mattkelly6226 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest issue is the fact Gaunt has Inspiring Leadership and isnt able to give 1 order per turn.
@shakyrob6512
@shakyrob6512 3 жыл бұрын
Unless IG gets the same lame HQ limitations everyone else has seemed to be getting this edition.
@MrBandholm
@MrBandholm 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattkelly6226 We don't know if they can give orders yet, there are a bunch of stuff we yet don't know about them.
@mattkelly6226
@mattkelly6226 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrBandholm i was talking about his warlord trait. Inspiring leader is trash. I very much doubt he will be able to give orders.
@MrBandholm
@MrBandholm 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattkelly6226 And I was talking of your "isnt able to give 1 order per turn", something we legit don't know yet
@Rord64
@Rord64 3 жыл бұрын
If Bragg can throw grenades, then technically he didn't hit with his Autocannon and can throw another grenade...and then again...and again...
@lordkommissarpetitt8022
@lordkommissarpetitt8022 3 жыл бұрын
Wait you're actually right, that would be infinite damage on a unit
@bloodbane93
@bloodbane93 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t there a core rule about only one grenade per shooting phase? Even then you could grenade first and try your auto cannon hits
@chaoswarhound
@chaoswarhound 3 жыл бұрын
If Bragg even has grenades, there's no way that survives an FAQ.
@kalamander8563
@kalamander8563 3 жыл бұрын
Try again, Bragg!
@Rord64
@Rord64 3 жыл бұрын
@@bloodbane93 no, there's no rule like that that i can see
@paulhudson8725
@paulhudson8725 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda, just wanna buy them for the minis. If GW did the right thing and added a third guardline, I would by the shit out of it.
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 3 жыл бұрын
There's always third party minis. For a Tanith-style army, I'd recommend the "Freeborn Domari" from Warlord Games (part of their "Beyond the Gates of Antares" line). They sell a sprue of plastic troopers (8 models, plus a drone you'll harvest for a Tau army later) at $10 a pop. They look pretty Tanith, with their cloaks (albeit the cloaks aren't as long as the ones these characters are sporting). If nothing else, it's cheaper than anything GW produces.
@MrKirbanator
@MrKirbanator 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bluecho4 I went with a mix for my tanith. First Victoria minis since they have really good ones that look just like the tanith and then i found a 3d file for very nice tanith so ive been printing them a bit.
@ONI09100
@ONI09100 3 жыл бұрын
brag keeps shooting until he hits something so hes actually garentead at least one hit because its counted as additional shots.
@johnj.spurgin7037
@johnj.spurgin7037 3 жыл бұрын
I read that the ability stacks until he lands an autocannon shot. Nothing was specified about stopping if you reroll grenade hits. Still, that'd be stupid broken. you can't shoot and throw a grenade in the same turn, so it would lock the game in infinite grenade attacks.
@TheSmalltownhick
@TheSmalltownhick 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see an army made up of the Ghosts, Last Chancers, and Yarrick.
@Knights_Oath
@Knights_Oath 3 жыл бұрын
I know GW has more then a few characters to replace from 8th. But it feels like the only reason they are brining them back is to push book sales. As GW almost never brings a model or unit back after they remove it from a codex. On the flip side, maybe Captain Al'Rahem, Commander Chenkov may come back in 9th.
@jasongarfitt1147
@jasongarfitt1147 3 жыл бұрын
Bring back the last chancers
@rickyl3136
@rickyl3136 3 жыл бұрын
Going to start with these guys and build out from there. Don't care if they are good I just like the rules.
@MrKirbanator
@MrKirbanator 3 жыл бұрын
I started making a tanith army myself. Always wanted a sabbat worlds crusade force since ive read the books. I went with a mix for my army. First Victoria minis since they have really good ones that look just like the tanith and then i found a 3d file for very nice tanith so ive been printing them a bit.
@Dagenham_Swish
@Dagenham_Swish 3 жыл бұрын
Loving these
@simonwebster1370
@simonwebster1370 3 жыл бұрын
Tempting to add them to my Praetorian Guard
@slugpainter8271
@slugpainter8271 3 жыл бұрын
I want Killteam statlines and rules for them! I am going to buy them just to paint and collect since the Guant's Ghosts series is my fav in all of the Black Library!
@Captain_MikeXII
@Captain_MikeXII 2 жыл бұрын
The Gaunt's Ghosts books are how I got into 40k
@s.pfeiffer4164
@s.pfeiffer4164 3 жыл бұрын
So who is who🤣 Super cool Unit and great Video
@DelightfulTyrant
@DelightfulTyrant 3 жыл бұрын
Correction: Brag's special rule kicks, as written, EACH TIME you resolve his shots. Each. Time. He shoots until he hits. Be it once or twice.
@sneakybeak4032
@sneakybeak4032 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if youl be allowed to revive any of them with a command squad medic
@pjfisher82
@pjfisher82 3 жыл бұрын
Would be good if you could separate them as individual characters to join infantry units so they could benefit form the special abilities.
@MrKirbanator
@MrKirbanator 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope they do this with them, it would kind of suck if they have to just be bundled together since most of them are squad leaders and such
@Silverdragon83X
@Silverdragon83X 3 жыл бұрын
It all depends on the point, if they are all characters and count for "Look Out Sir" or not... But even if not, they are one of the coolest units ever and for the points seem playable at all...
@joshpearson1870
@joshpearson1870 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a return to these guys in the context of the new codex and Arks of Omen. With HQ slots so tight now, its harder to field them. Potential for interesting synergies with scout sentinels, though.
@danielbob2628
@danielbob2628 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully these guys will be in a lot of KZfaq batreps.
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 3 жыл бұрын
If only we could field squads of Tanith troops.
@puenboy1
@puenboy1 3 жыл бұрын
Wilderness survivors/Disciplined Shooters.
@paulhudson8725
@paulhudson8725 3 жыл бұрын
@@puenboy1 yes, but the models!
@____________838
@____________838 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but currently the imperial snipers units aren’t available on the webpage.
@danielnaman8048
@danielnaman8048 3 жыл бұрын
Check Victoria Miniatures, they have a bunch of different sets and one of them looks a lot like Tanith troops. I bought three squads of 10 and every 50$ you spend gives you a free character model of your choice
@____________838
@____________838 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielnaman8048 Bingo. Victoria and Anvil Industries are good for this sort of thing.
@darko-man8549
@darko-man8549 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even collect guard and I love these guys :'D
@Amdor
@Amdor 3 жыл бұрын
-1cp works only when you use strat on this unit so it might be bit less great but still fun
@starak97
@starak97 3 жыл бұрын
well it allows you to use take cover on them for free each turn, and if they are in cover, then they have a 2+, 5++, and free CP re role, and if you want Gaunt dead first you can take moral on a D3 for free too so you dont lose anyone to moral, so still very useful
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
@@starak97 *morale
@RaelagDidEverythingRight
@RaelagDidEverythingRight 3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Dawn of War Guard characters, and I like it a lot, instead of a single guy who does very little, you get a package of a few guys who are strong together and fill out eachothers weaknesses, and grant each other bonuses (would be cool to see attatching character to a guardsmen unit too, but with look out sir you can kinda do that already), and it's not like one of them is "the best", like in gaunt's ghost i suppose you would want to kill off the comissar first, cause the rest of the squad is ranged/does something actually useful, but after that, I guess it would depend on the game
@stevejenkins7954
@stevejenkins7954 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that Larkin also gets to ignore look out sir with his long las
@arly803
@arly803 3 жыл бұрын
I dislike that theyre a squad, because theyre a sniper, a heavy weapon that want to be long range, some carbines that want to be midrange, and a couple melee units. I wish they would split after deployment, and have the abilities shaken up a little to make more sense as solo units
@pothoc1
@pothoc1 3 жыл бұрын
No Cuu? He should have some sort of backstabbing ability
@tanith117
@tanith117 3 жыл бұрын
Your opponent gets cuu. He deploys in you deployment zone and cannot be targeted until he attacks.
@CarbonMage
@CarbonMage 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't he a Vervunhiver? This group is before that, Gaunt has a chainsword
@pjfisher82
@pjfisher82 3 жыл бұрын
I know they are classed as characters but it also says unit so if you allocate a wound to one, guess you'd have to keep taking wounds on him until he's dead then start on a different one rather than being able to switch it up
@craigkenny37
@craigkenny37 3 жыл бұрын
Very much hoping that some of these weapons (or similar versions) get added in the next codex. If we got a Sniper Rifle like Larkin's Long-Las (maybe 1 damage and 1 mw instead of D3) then they may actually see some use in game. Lascarbines like these (they don't have a name in front of the weapon so they may not be unique) even at only 18" range would probably be something I'd pick over the current lasgun. If all Hot-shot weapons get upgraded to -3AP then stormtrooper armies are gonna love it. I'm getting the models because they look nice but I don't really expect I'll ever use their rules in a game. Would 2 guardsmen squads of equivalent points be better or worse? I suppose until we see their full rules, keywords, and weapon allotments we won't know. 135 points (according to the Minitorum Field Manual Mk2 ) seems a bit high for the amount of damage they could do or soak up. 134 points can get you 2 infantry squads both with sniper rifles and autocannons. Unsure which one would be better, I'd have to leave that up to the math-hammer and tournament players.
@chraiflame6631
@chraiflame6631 3 жыл бұрын
Those las and hot-shot las profiles caught my eye as well. If this is an early indication of how these weapons will turn out in the new codex, then that seems great. 24" Assault3 hot-shots in particular would finally get rid of the annoying "deep strike troops with rapid fire guns can't rapid fire when they deep strike" issue. Although AP-3 on all scions seems a bit too good to be true, I suspect this is just a sort of "relic" variant and the regular gun will remain AP-2.
@TrilainaBloodwind
@TrilainaBloodwind 3 жыл бұрын
I 100% plan to buy these guys and jam them in any Guard army I run. No questions asked xD
@immortalgamer3960
@immortalgamer3960 3 жыл бұрын
With the way this is designed I'm hoping it means that we may see more of these if it is a success. Given some of the character choices and the fact that Gaunt doesn't have his famous power sword yet, I'm hoping that we'll get more of these featuring more ghosts eventually. There are so many interesting characters and fun rules they could come up with for the rest of the Ghosts.
@MrKirbanator
@MrKirbanator 3 жыл бұрын
Id think that would be cool but id also like to see a tanith regiment added to the others
@immortalgamer3960
@immortalgamer3960 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrKirbanator For sure. I'm hoping that the reason Cadians only got an upgrade sprue is that they are releasing a new plastic regiment with the next codex and don't want them to compete. Fingers crossed it's the Ghosts, that would be my top choice, but honestly I'd settle for any of the underrepresented regiments, Valhallans would be my second choice.
@MrKirbanator
@MrKirbanator 3 жыл бұрын
@@immortalgamer3960 That would be cool. Honestly I'd just be happy with rules for the army in the codex. I can make my own minis or use 3d party ones and such. But if they want to make official ones then I'm happy with that to.
@HighlandPhoenix
@HighlandPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
How does this unit interact with Ogryn Bodyguards…?
@HighlandPhoenix
@HighlandPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see many downsides to not taking this unit...what are the competitive pros and cons?
@8bitbonsai
@8bitbonsai 3 жыл бұрын
a friend giftet the box to me yesterday and i found out that this will be released in october, im confused now
@rikusschulze6249
@rikusschulze6249 3 жыл бұрын
funny and fluffy rules. I like.
@Robertyne
@Robertyne 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the whole squad has the Character keyword, as it mentions the squad itself having Officio Prefectus, which should mean not only does it benefit from Look Out Sir, but also you need to wipe out the squad to score one Assassinate as it's a single entity.
@arrowtt3364
@arrowtt3364 3 жыл бұрын
It'd be similar to the Thousand Sons Aspiring/Scarab Occult Terminator Sorcerers and the fact the Rubrics and Terminators count as a Psyker for secondaries
@DKChubs
@DKChubs 3 жыл бұрын
Digging the rules they've shown for these models, but I'm mostly giddy for what they show about potential rules for armies still using their 7th ed codexes (...Tau. I'm talking about Tau). Imagine that "can't be targeted outside of 18" rule being applied to stealth suits or ghost keels or recon drones? Suddenly Pathfinders are worth it again
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
Literally nobody is still using a 7th edition codex. They're neither legal nor compatible with 9th.
@relms140
@relms140 3 жыл бұрын
Best 40k youtuber :D
@chrisporter4993
@chrisporter4993 3 жыл бұрын
The release is a huge missed opportunity. If they'd just released an infantry squad box alongside the Ghost's command, they'd suddenly have been selling entire armies of Guard to people who've wanted to field the Ghosts for ages.
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 3 жыл бұрын
Missed chance indeed
@danielnaman8048
@danielnaman8048 3 жыл бұрын
Check Victoria Miniatures
@chrisporter4993
@chrisporter4993 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielnaman8048 That's a great selection of minis, but you can't put them down on a table in a Games Workshop or at a tournament.
@MrKirbanator
@MrKirbanator 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisporter4993 Yep thats a shame, ive personally used victoria minis for my tanith regiment but ive also thrown 3d printed ones in to that look great and really fir the aesthetic
@pezlerthepolychromatic8337
@pezlerthepolychromatic8337 3 жыл бұрын
Try Again Bragg's ability says "In the Shooting Phase, each time this unit has resolved its attacks, if no hits were scored with 'Try Again' Bragg's autocannon, this model can immediately shoot again." Does this mean that he can keep continuing to make 2 shots at a time until he makes a hit? It sounds like he can, and it would be very thematic if true.
@GutsOfRivia
@GutsOfRivia 2 жыл бұрын
Can Gaunt Issue orders like an officer? I know hes a commissar but hes also a Colonel.
@j.s.4593
@j.s.4593 3 жыл бұрын
Certainly some neat Models and some interesting rules. I might paint them if they aren't taken by resellers. But even then i don't think I'd ever bring them in a game. I feel like the rules bloat for 6 unique characters would really slow down a game.
@Marclivis
@Marclivis 3 жыл бұрын
So does Bragg get to throw infinite grenades, assuming he has them, within 6 inches? If the actual datasheet rule is written as the preview article, then the "shoot again" ability lets him make a new shooting attack every time he doesn't hit with his autocannon specifically, and the 1 grenade throw per unit per shooting attack wouldn't apply if it's really a "shoot again" ability. Obviously not RAI and also only mildly useful, but still funny!.
@BjornKuma
@BjornKuma 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda bummed to see that they don't actually drop till October...
@Ottakazi
@Ottakazi 3 жыл бұрын
imp just excited to get my hands on them to bash them into characters for my Tallarn army lol
@Randalor
@Randalor 3 жыл бұрын
If I can get away with it, I can see running them with Imperial Knights as a backfield unit. Long range protection and can plink away while the Knights run upfield? Sounds good to me.
@venkelos6996
@venkelos6996 3 жыл бұрын
Overall, I like the sound of these. It will seem like just criticism, but I often feel like Guard infantry just don't get much work put into them, considering how bland they are usually meant to be, and how bare bones most seem intended to play, allowing for a vehicle focus. These, however, seem like a nice, detailed entry for character infantry, and some fun. They could be a neat inclusion for actual play, and also a good, higher-end opportunity for painting. It's only a shame that, all being specific characters, they have little to no options; they'll each look like this, every time. Still, they should look great! 😄
@darkmagpiestudios8222
@darkmagpiestudios8222 3 жыл бұрын
kinda wish that cloak ability applied to all cloaks
@shakyrob6512
@shakyrob6512 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it will in the IG dex whenever it drops. Keep your toes crossed I guess.
@seankohzhen
@seankohzhen 3 жыл бұрын
do you really want Primaris Eliminators to be untargetable?
@shakyrob6512
@shakyrob6512 3 жыл бұрын
@@seankohzhen I assumed they ment IG cloaks. Could be wrong though lol forgot about the Primaris dudes.
@NastyStankyChicken
@NastyStankyChicken 3 жыл бұрын
I think the fact you can only target them within 18" is pretty huge, keep them as back field holders while having a wall of chaff infront of your tanks and them is gonna make it impossible to target them.
@davesobani9565
@davesobani9565 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like its the Pre vervunhive Ghosts, as gaunt still has his chainsword. Instead of his Powersword and later his augmented Eyes.
@desgildanphi8825
@desgildanphi8825 3 жыл бұрын
I would prefer if they buff unit around them They're fun but i don't think they be viable
@johnj.spurgin7037
@johnj.spurgin7037 3 жыл бұрын
NGL, I'm actually a bit astounded by the cloaks. ffs make them something like "only hits on an unmodified roll of six beyond 18 inches" or something. flat out untargettable is a bit much. Also, if these guys are a unit, does that mean that a command squad medpack can bring a lot one back on a 4+ ATM?
@GheyForGames
@GheyForGames 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if we will get Las carbines that are assault 3 in the new dex That's exactly what lasguns need tbh That or going up to base rapid fire 2
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao BASE rapid fire 2??? That's what FRFSRF is for
@GheyForGames
@GheyForGames 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesloder8652 yeah so then they could go to rapid fire 3 or 4
@GheyForGames
@GheyForGames 3 жыл бұрын
@@n0rman908 I like it, but that sounds absolutely busted I think it's fluffier to have the weight of dice do the work I would like different lasgun modes at least, s4 shots would be nice
@n0rman908
@n0rman908 3 жыл бұрын
@@GheyForGames I really dont think it would be that broken. If you are shooting at marines, you have to shoot 30 dudes at them in order to put them on a 6 up save. They should've already died by then anyway. But yeah just an idea to incentivize guard players to use guard tactics and literally drown one unit at a time in shots. I still think having a mode to turn the lasgun into like heavy or assault 1 at strength 4 maybe ap 1 is a better option.
@McClane4Ever.
@McClane4Ever. 3 жыл бұрын
I had a game against Marines fairly recently. Two squads of guard within half range and with " first rank fire second rank fire" did a whopping zero wounds... Seems pretty thematic to me but wasn't super fun on the board haha.
@renderscott
@renderscott 3 жыл бұрын
bragg's rule is absolutely hilarious, GW needs to make more models with quirky rules like this
@fyrworks1985
@fyrworks1985 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of pl are we looking at here? They may have to be in my crusade.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
PL 7
@fyrworks1985
@fyrworks1985 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesloder8652 for deffos?
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
@@fyrworks1985 that is my educated guess, but I would be surprised by anything else.
@fyrworks1985
@fyrworks1985 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesloder8652 I dunno man, 7pl for a 15 wound hq. I know they are paper, but with the nice rules, especially that 18" untargeteable rule. All that for 7pl sounds pretty gnarly to me...I hope so, especially if Gaunt can give orders. But the universe is a cruel, wire hanger stabbing in the heart, bish. So we will see.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
@@fyrworks1985 they're 135 points. 1 PL = roughly 20 points. There's how this almost always works.
@quintenvos7906
@quintenvos7906 3 жыл бұрын
Less gooii
@Trickstick77
@Trickstick77 3 жыл бұрын
If one member of a unit is a character, does make the entire unit untargetable through look out sir? I've had this suspicion for a while that this is how they are going to bring Guard command squads back, by bundling officers and squads back together again.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is how that works. But all of these models are characters, anyway.
@philsayer2447
@philsayer2447 3 жыл бұрын
I love your channel! Tbh from your really polite & posh voice I get the feeling of we'd give to school together I would probably have beaten you up fairly regularly (I'm really really not proud of this...). But as an adult I just want to learn from you!!! I have so many questions for you about what I can put in an army and how best to put together my first army as an Inquistion army (I've painted 40k in the past & know the setting well, but have never played the game) that won't just totally suck & lose every match. If you have time to send me some pointers or answer some questions please let me know. But either way, this channel is awesome! Thanks!
@jamiemcdonald1904
@jamiemcdonald1904 2 жыл бұрын
do esenhorn
@TheAcidDrip
@TheAcidDrip 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly Mad Larkin with his Long Las is likely a more consistent sniper than a vindicare assassin. Seriously, I'd like to see some math hammer breaking down a comparison, I find the VA to be consistently underwhelming.
@danielbob2628
@danielbob2628 3 жыл бұрын
Wait. So these guys can't be shot from 18 inches away but some of them have attack ranges longer than that? Excellent.
@warhounds
@warhounds 3 жыл бұрын
what can they do in the gam? -die?
@richardbradley2335
@richardbradley2335 3 жыл бұрын
Why doesnt every unit of guard have these cloaks ?
@mjela4516
@mjela4516 3 жыл бұрын
Wait a sec. For all but the first three books Gaunt has thebrelic power sword of Heironimo Sondaro, but they model him with a chainsword?! Wtf gw
@____________838
@____________838 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about that myself when the images were first released.
@paulhudson8725
@paulhudson8725 3 жыл бұрын
I guess the newest book BL are selling is from the early days of the ghosts.
@paulgray5961
@paulgray5961 3 жыл бұрын
They're re-releasing the 1st book as an anniversary, so this is how they were way back when.... don't worry, I did think the same thing though......
@shaunzaarrae3727
@shaunzaarrae3727 3 жыл бұрын
You can just give him a power sword and use the chain sword stats
@McClane4Ever.
@McClane4Ever. 3 жыл бұрын
I actually had to convert one of my scratch builds to give him the stupid chainsword instead of the cool Power sword :(
@kamaeq
@kamaeq 3 жыл бұрын
Ugh. Gaunt should be a HQ, Bragg should be a HW choice in a squad, Larkin should be a solo sniper and the rest should replace sergeants in squads with the list all having cloaks. No Chimeras for the list.
@CB-sf9mx
@CB-sf9mx 3 жыл бұрын
That would be cool. Replace any sgt. with a character and choose one of the buffs depending on the character. e.g. MKolls squad are all -1 to hit. Gaunts squad auto-pass morale.
@kamaeq
@kamaeq 3 жыл бұрын
@@CB-sf9mx It has been several years, but IIRC, for the leaders (not Try Again or the sniper) that was what they did, join squads at critical times. Oh, and does Gaunt count as a Senior Commander with his Colonel-Commisar self?
@afiqhamid8421
@afiqhamid8421 3 жыл бұрын
Gak Feth me
@KhornateBRZRKR
@KhornateBRZRKR 3 жыл бұрын
Dude this general Jannis guy steals ur style in his videos so hard shameless
@DarkProvidence420
@DarkProvidence420 3 жыл бұрын
Some of their weapons load out is a bit disappointing compared to what they standardly used in the books.
@CarbonMage
@CarbonMage 3 жыл бұрын
In what regard? It's still all guard gear. Larkin's long Las is noticeably better than a normal sniper rifle, presumably to represent the hot shot packs. The only thing that seems a bit weird to me is Gaunt's Chainsword, but that's just because I've gotten so used to the power sword; these are very early ghosts, timeline wise
@DarkProvidence420
@DarkProvidence420 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarbonMage Gaunts sword was one of my main thoughts, he did get his power sword relatively early in the series. All the ghosts should have silver knives. Try again Braggs is so named because of his use of rockets, although a auto cannon better suits the rules he's being given. Mkoll only having a Las is just disappointing considering he practically won the crusade single handedly in the end. It's just a bunch of little things I guess.
@CarbonMage
@CarbonMage 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarkProvidence420 mkoll's strength is in his rules, which makes sense. It's possible most ghosts have straight silver, they just focused on it for Rawne (we'll know when we get the full rules, not just a warhammer community preview), and I at least always think of Bragg with an autocannon, it's everyone else who leans hard into tread fethers (though support guns are definitely still a thing, I'm just never sure from reading whether they're meant to be autocannon or heavy stubbers lol)
@DarkProvidence420
@DarkProvidence420 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarbonMage I think it would be cool if you could field an entire Ghosts army.
@CarbonMage
@CarbonMage 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarkProvidence420 they gave suggested traits in the article (always in light cover as long as the unit didn't advance, rapid fire at 18") but green stuffing camo cloaks onto everyone would be a real pain
@Pikilloification
@Pikilloification 3 жыл бұрын
Fun and fluffy, but pretty useless so far.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
How is being literally untargetable on your backfield objectives "useless?"
@TheKillercroc6942
@TheKillercroc6942 3 жыл бұрын
They made the dude with the Autocannon BS 5+ but ignore the -1 penalty to moving and shooting, when a normal Heavy Weapon Team is BS 4+ so would hit a 5+ if they moved. They gave him the -1 to hit built in and a special rule to make you think he doesn't lol. Besides being S4 he is the same as a Heavy team just on a 32mm base not a 60mm. Kinda disappointing.
@mannerdlover
@mannerdlover 3 жыл бұрын
It's probably more a thematic choice, I don't think this unit was designed to be an Uber competitive unit, but thematically try again being bs 5 feels pretty accurate!
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
Because they still want him hitting on 5s even when he doesn't move. Doesn't take a big brain to figure that out.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
And you literally get to shoot until you land at least one hit, and get can't be shot back from long range. You're really overlooking a lot.
@paulgray5961
@paulgray5961 3 жыл бұрын
Even in the books, Bragg wasn't ever the best shot while standing still..... he's benefit is that he's a less accurate Harker. All of the other Heavy Weapons in a Tanith Force should be Tread Fether's...... I mean Missile Launchers......
@terminatoruk4921
@terminatoruk4921 3 жыл бұрын
What about untargetable outside 18", 5++ invulnerable save, immune to morale etc...
@troy6882
@troy6882 3 жыл бұрын
So hacking, repair tec assembly skill doors key pads tec operation, demolition's, hide and seek in game play over standard game battle play such as multiple objective and skill requirements 😃😄😁😆😅5 Smiles.
@WardenOfTerra
@WardenOfTerra 3 жыл бұрын
In a game where 75% or more players are using Intercessors, this unit is literally useless. The rules are genuinely shite.
@mattkelly6226
@mattkelly6226 3 жыл бұрын
That might be happening where you are but not like that for my area.
@Sir_Tomoyuki
@Sir_Tomoyuki 3 жыл бұрын
Do you actually mean Infiltrators and not Intercessors? Also, if you can't deep strike them within 12" of the Infiltrators, then stick them in your backline and laugh when your opponent can't shoot them at all.
@jamesloder8652
@jamesloder8652 3 жыл бұрын
How are they useless lmao
@Sir_Tomoyuki
@Sir_Tomoyuki 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesloder8652 they aren't. Dude is just being hyperbolic.
@mariojorge68
@mariojorge68 3 жыл бұрын
>Everyone is using intercessors I see you're still stuck in 8th.
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