He survived, that's why he's singing along with the crowd in the credits.

Jack Hardemeyer become a threat to himself than the others.

At least in the original cut, he was just tired. This is worse, although not undeserved.

He still couldn’t get a job all across the entire state of New York

Lol, that is an excellent point! I never thought about that angle before.

Mhm. It would show what slime can do to people.

Agreed, the line deliveries were just not conveying a sense of urgency as I was cutting it. (The final movie intercuts it with other scenes too, but since those weren't indicated in the Feb 1989 script, I kept this all linear.) I tightened it in a couple of small ways-- such as delaying the shot of Hardemeyer's shoes falling so I could use it as a cutaway and trim out some fat from an overly lingering reaction shot by Lenny and the GBs. If we had more angles and takes to work with-- and a composer to score it-- I'm sure we could create that missing urgency editorially, just as Reitman and his editors would have. But in the case of shots where there's only one version out there known to the public, our hands are frustratingly tied.

@@LextheRobot I can't remember the exact quote I am thinking I know I've heard Ivan Reitman say something to the effect of the audience already being ahead of you, maybe as it related to an attempt to overexplain or show something the audience doesn't need spoon-fed to them. Don't think it's the instance I'm thinking but I remember trying to explain the Sedgwick midnight buffet. I guess we don't get to see Jack Hardemayer comeuppance there but yeah we did get to see him ejected by the Mayor "Walter Peck" style. No 'just-desserts" though as it's been said.

Happy to help! I agree; the way they split those lines up into two separate deleted scenes for the Blu-Ray was really confusing. I had to chop them both up into segments and then shuffle those like a card deck to get the dialogue into the proper order, per the February 1989 draft of the script. One bit of business occurred in both Blu-Ray scenes-- the bit when the three busters form a wall of proton packs to keep Hardemeyer from going over to the Mayor and Venkman for a second-- so I wound up using video from the closeup and the audio from the wide shot to fuse them into a single continuous moment. Once I figured that out, the rest of it was relatively simple.

I cut this together following the February 1989 draft of the script, in which there's actually lines when Louis picks them up at Parkview Hospital, saying he brought all their gear and gassed up the car. A line like that is usually only included in a script to answer the little continuity questions, so presumably the slime blowers were already in the 1A, though I have to agree: things would've been pretty crowded in the back with four packs, two blowers, and two busters. The deleted 'Sherman Tully' footage would have shown them departing the hospital in Ecto-1A, leaving Louis and his cousin behind. (I guess he took a cab or a city bus back to the firehouse to play dressup with Janine?) The shot of Winston putting on his elbow pads for Ernie Hudson's end credit is the only piece of the Parkview departure scene to survive into the film. www.theraffon.net/~spookcentral/gb2_script.htm

Well, it probably would have taken like 15 minutes

Good point. In the February '89 script for GBII, events would have played out like this: the busters defeat Vigo and see their likenesses in the underpainting. THEN Louis arrives via bus, making a bowling date with Slimer. He sees the celebrations, asks if he's too late, and Ray tells him he's right on time and hands him a bottle of champagne. Then Hardemeyer has this little denouement: "EXT. MUSEUM ENTRANCE - NIGHT (SAME TIME) B132 Hardemeyer staggers out of the museum covered in slime. He looks at the celebrating crowd and his eyes fill with tears. HARDEMEYER (weep?) Happy New Year, everybody! He joins in on Auld Lang Syne." Then the busters basically blackmail Mayor Lenny into paying them for both their 1984 services and 1989 services, by threatening to leave the Statue of Liberty lying on the ground right where she is.

Nah, when the crowd's positive energy blew the shell off the museum, he probably woke up feeling like a million bucks.

Accurate assessment.

Jack: “Seriously this is ridiculous.” Me: “No, this is just a simple paranormal stuff. You see you’re being too stubborn to see that there are some things that go beyond the realm of human knowledge, understanding and therefore, you cannot accept it. and when you can accept it, do you think you can control it, but this you cannot control.”

The odd timing of your comment is that just two days ago our carousel CD player died and I bought a new one. When I got in from work, my wife had placed all the CDs from inside the defunct one atop the dresser. Three were hers, while two of them were the soundtrack to Bohemian Rhapsody and the score for GBII. I honestly didn't even remember owning that one.

Hey! Does this poll still work? ;)

@@LextheRobot nice pun at first I thought it was a typo

Jack Hardemeyer become a threat to himself than the others.

Yeah, Jack just disappears inexplicably in the movie

@@geggy310 He gets fired and then ends up singing carols with people in the crowd during this scene.

@@pferreira1983 yeah I noticed that, but I would’ve preferred this

@@geggy310 I think in the comic book adaptation he still lives at the end? 🤔

@@geggy310 I don't know. It was already a bit of a stretch in the theatrical cut that he didn't believe in ghosts despite what happened in the first film, but for him to stand there in front of the slime and still deny it is hard to swallow.

Thank you!

Somewhere there must be, in Sony's vaults. Alas, all that's ever surfaced for the public is that one still shot, which was printed in the Ghostbusters II storybook wirtten by Jovial Bob Stine. (You may have heard of him by one of his other nom de plumes: R.L. Stine, of Goosebumps fame.)

I'm sure the real editors, with access to more angles and takes, could have turned this scene into something better paced than what I was able to make with the scant available-to-the-public footage, but as this reconstruction of mine stands, I think the smash cut to Liberty Island in the film works better without it. Jack's comeuppance had to go somewhere though, so sliding it earlier and giving it to Mayor Lenny is a nice bit of economical rewriting.

Yeah, the mayor already threw them out, so he wouldn't be that annoyed that they got committed. He was just as guilty as Hardemeyer for ignoring their pleas. For him to be that pissed, he would've had to have told Hardemeyer to listen to them and do what they say, not have ignored them and rejected their requests himself.

Unknown. I've been trying to avoid spoilers personally, though some folks already leaked things thoughtlessly on social media, so I know more than I intended to.

Ah, well, the thing about that is, the firing scene in the Mayor's office was a rewrite/reshoot that happened late in the making of the movie and was edited in to streamline things for the finale. So it was in effect a replacement for this scene; they never would have used both in the same story. I believe those late reshoots also included all of Egon's closeups when they're standing there looking at the license plate on Ecto, as well as the scene where Winston rescues Ray and Egon from the fire at the firehouse, and the tunnel sequence when they see the severed heads. Ivan Reitman was amazing at realizing what was working and what wasn't, and was particularly adept at course-correcting editorially before the movie opened. This fan-edit is my attempt at a reconstruction of what was originally scripted/shot/intended for Hardemeyer's comeuppance, plus in the original script it was Louis and his cousin Sherman (played by Eugene Levy) who got the 'busters out of Parkview. By writing/shooting/inserting that one quick scene with the Mayor, two storylines were resolved far more quickly: Hardemeyer gets his just desserts and the busters get sprung, all in one fell swoop. Me personally, I always felt the ending is TOO abrupt, but I admit I haven't tried to rework the entire movie per the script in order to see what the resultant pacing would be like.

I gave it a shot three years ago, actually. There's not a ton of footage from it out there. Maybe on the next Blu-Ray release, they'll trickle out a clip from it. I've cued this link up to the relevant portion, but you may enjoy the full video from the start for proper context. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oJ93adJ9nM3Gmp8.htmlsi=EN7zjmmKnjGNm7e1&t=418

@@LextheRobot Well, it was a good try. I also found two more filming images of the scene on Ghostbusters fandom, and the dialogue in November 27, 1988 draft.

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kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gM18nLKHmciuh6s.html More clear driving shots.

@@Vadim_Morozov That's the source for the same shots I used. I zoomed in on the footage to obscure as much of the superimposed contest rules as possible. I felt that the eye was drawn to the words too much.

Both productions had ridiculously tight deadlines. In the case of the first film, that pressure formed a diamond. For the sequel, not so much. I love both, but the original will always be my preference.

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Nah, too garish.