How Much Weighted Pull-up Is Required to Achieve the Muscle-up?

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How Much Weighted Pull-up Is Required to Achieve the Muscle-up?

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Жыл бұрын

I decided to find out how much weighted pull up is required to achieve the muscle up through a data driven approach. Check it out!
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@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

If you would like to help me collect data, so I can use more advanced algorithms on larger datasets to get a more accurate result, please fill in the survey here: forms.gle/P96YrxfjXDDYLsa96. If there's enough response, I will make another video with a detailed breakdown in the future!

@bluemist1088 Жыл бұрын

Submitted!

@noone-ld7pt Жыл бұрын

I think requiring video evidence just makes this way too much effort for most people. I get that as a youtuber you do this all the time but there is just no way in hell I am setting up a camera to film myself in the gym or asking someone to do it for me for that matter. I think it'd be better to keep it simple, stick to numbers, and when sifting through mark suspicious entries and outliers.

@theemptyset715 Жыл бұрын

@@noone-ld7pt data integrity would be really hard otherwise

@johnwilkesbooth8000 Жыл бұрын

My weight is 56 kg i can do weigted pullups with 11 kg weight , 7 repitations ? So how much bodyweight % is that for me? Like how much% weight I'm pulling?

@danczer1 Жыл бұрын

I think your should use every data for the training algorithm , e. g. bodyweight too. It is a good experiment, but I think it is really hard to find a precise value. E.g. If I do squat, I will have more muscles on my legs, which is not useful for the muscle up. And squat muscles are basically bodyweight. So I need even more on the shoulders to counter balance the ballast muscles. In ideal cases the person who can do the muscle up has a good upper body, with relative "low" lower body and a low overall bodyweight and a low body fat value.

@noone-ld7pt Жыл бұрын

Would also love a similar test for the One arm pull up! Would probably be alot harder to find enough people locally but the crowdsourcing idea should work!

@themuscleupguy Жыл бұрын

I second this!

@sandersimonsen8907 Жыл бұрын

Yeah and front lever, or maybe full planche with a other exercise

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

I think the main problem for doing a similar test for the one arm pull up is that the assumption of the correlation coefficient between the one arm pull up and weighted pull up being close to 1 like the situation of the muscle up and weighted pull up most likely isn't true, so it will be harder to infer the data and draw conclusions.

@godsuyatheonii-sama3773 Жыл бұрын

@@noone-ld7pt yeah what i see around me and on myself too that 60% should be correct

@ARDAYILMAZ72 Жыл бұрын

I think Matthew Zlat, who excels at both OAP and weighted pullups put a prerequisite of being able to pullup %50 of bw for 5-6 reps before you start training for OAP. Maybe that helps.

@JeffKastner 10 ай бұрын

Ajani is a beast. Don't think I've ever seen anyone pull double their body weight on a pullup. Impressive!

@wellutopia2237 7 ай бұрын

He did 105% not 200%. Why did you think it was double? Am i missing something? Double would have been 300 pounds. 153+153=306. Am i mistaken?

@ratman1201 7 ай бұрын

@@wellutopia2237 he pulled his weight (100%)+ the added weight(105%) which equates to 205% of his body weight which is twice his body weight.

@wellutopia2237 7 ай бұрын

@@ratman1201 yeah if you google 100% body weight pull up. Elite calisthenics athletes are pulling their body weight. 200% would have been 300 pounds on top of his body weight. 156+156. This is not 200% aka double.

@voorbaamach4970 7 ай бұрын

@@wellutopia2237 Get a life geek

@dudleydooright 7 ай бұрын

@@wellutopia2237 Math must not be your forte. He didn't say anything about a percent pullup (which frankly, is just semantics). He said he's pulling double his body weight. Bro weighs 153 lbs and he strapped on an additional 160 lbs for a total of 313 lbs. That's more than double his body weight he's pulling.

@slapthesloper Жыл бұрын

I was part of a calisthenics club like this in college and it’s almost like a way smaller unique community like climbing so it was cool to see them all get to be part of a big youtuber’s video and show their skills

@Robotomy101 Жыл бұрын

bruh where do I find a calisthenics club. in my country barely anyone does calisthenics let alone there being a whole club in universities

@dineshdas3952 7 ай бұрын

Dudes be doing muscle up 360 over there. I saw a dude doing maltese in my college

@samynefkha-bahri2759 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact : I just recently (2-3 weeks ago) was able to do a single clean muscle-up (no kipping), and my 1 rep max on the pull-up falls in the 50%-55% range of my bodyweight.

@IGReelsEnjoyer 6 ай бұрын

im nowhere near that level but thank you for that

@philshumble6954 4 ай бұрын

It seems as though you can say pulling about 50% of your own bodyweight extra is a indicator to a clean muscle up

@Brandon-9 3 ай бұрын

I do 3 muscles ups but with keeping, my max 1 rep is +35% of body weight. I'm begginer+ but I'm still grinding to clean muscle ups, human flag and the final goal this year one arm pull up

@jayrezvani3821 Жыл бұрын

I think the main critique I'd have is a lot of the participants could have easily done more than one muscle-up, so comparing a 1RM weighted pull-up doesn't tell us too much. For example, in the case of Andrey, his muscle-up was a 1RM, so using his 1RM weighted pull-up as a proxy was more accurate IMO. I think the best way to design it would be to have everyone do AMRAP muscle-ups and then match those reps for he max test (eg if someone could do 5 muscle-ups in a row, then test their 5RM weighted pull-ups). And ideally they'd have a good amount of rest in between the two sets, possibly even 24h-48h if possible.

@horlateedayeniola4557 Жыл бұрын

Nice critique!

@Seantorky3 Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@chrisbyun3589 Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. Half of those guys put in less effort for their muscle-up than their 1RM weighted pull-up

@antonioebe7511 Жыл бұрын

Nice opinión, but you could also tell their MU strenght due to how easy they perform their first rep

@benja_mint Жыл бұрын

As a scientifist I absolutely agree. But purely as a viewer interested in getting a subjective guesstimate of the correlation I'm pretty happy with geek's experimental design :)

@JosephBank 11 ай бұрын

Enjoyed seeing how supportive everyone is of each other in this video.

@henrydanguyen Жыл бұрын

It was a pleasure to be a part of this study ❤

@noone-ld7pt Жыл бұрын

What I really loved a bout this video is that it gave me a very concrete strenght goal to work towards before starting muscle up specific training. It makes it seem a lot more attainable!

@xIPsychox Жыл бұрын

I am not quite sure about that. For me this numbers do not work. People in this video were all very lightweight and usually calisthenic people do not train legs properly. Iweigh around 80kg, which is 175lbs. My max pull up is 95kg x 4, so maybe i could do a 1 rep max pull up with 100kg, or 105kg tops! My rep max is far away from 150% body weight, but in contrary i have very heavy legs (because i have a powerlifting background). I have just about enough strength to do a more or less clean muscle up on the bar (with almost no swing).

@nemesyssss Жыл бұрын

@xIPsychox I'd say the muscle up isn't just about pure strength but power, so we need to take into account the speed at which you're able to pull yourself up. Training your bodyweight pull ups explosively will allow you to use your incredible strength to fly over the bar. You won't be very explosive at first but it's all about intent. Even with weighted pull up.

@dudybals Жыл бұрын

Yes it would be super interesting with bigger datasets and more advanced algorithms!

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

If this video get 100k+ views, I will spin up the website to collect more data!

@theemptyset715 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber I want data like this for a bunch of lifts! it would be a really fun open source data science project

@alantryhard8632 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimberexactly 100k rn

@3dguy299 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber 104k now

@pankajk8448 5 ай бұрын

kzfaq.info/love/djL64S-IS84HjDhSc6XZ2A time to make that website to collect more data. @geekclimber

@amst841 Жыл бұрын

Seems pretty accurate, did my first muscle up last week, I can do 57% weighted pull-up (40 kg, weighing 70 kg)

@scooby8561 6 ай бұрын

pretty interesting. i think i did my 1st one when i could do a ~45 lbs weighted pullup (+32% BW, 63kg at the time) though the form was pretty disgusting. i chicken winged pretty bad. congrats on a 40kg pullup tho! i'm working on getting to 36kg on mine.

@TekMoliGy 8 ай бұрын

this is a great video and matches what it took for me to get a muscle up. i am 200lbs and had to get to doing a 100lb weighted pull up for 3 reps to be able to muscle up

@LisaMichele Жыл бұрын

Love the scientific approach you took with this experiment! Really cool video :)

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@gabep3586 Жыл бұрын

This is a super sick video. Live the analysis and the exercise. Probably the best exercise investigative video ever.

@robertremedios8734 7 ай бұрын

I use to workout with these guys. They’re all super chill. A very supporting group

@alvaroc9127 Жыл бұрын

you are an inspiration eventhough you are not the strongest guy in youtube you undoubtly are one of the cleverest one. You taught me things that has lead to approach my trainings to a scientific knowledge which gives an assurance of what im doing is the thing I have to do to pursue my goals. Sorry for my english and thanks you a lot.

@themuscleupguy Жыл бұрын

Love it! Thank you for the content. I had gotten to two consecutive muscle ups with kip, weighing 127 lbs. Max weighted pullup was +60 lbs.

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Thanks for providing your data!

@moserboser Жыл бұрын

Amazing video! I love data science and calisthenics :D amazing to see both topics combined in one vid 😁

@swilhelm3180 10 ай бұрын

This is SUCH A GREAT IDEA. Because the muscleup is kind of a yes or no thing even though there are so many degrees of "cleanness" with crossfit being the worst. But with a weighted pullup you can guess how close you are to getting the muscleup. And that is so valuable. You are the first person to connect the dots in this way that I've seen. Isn't it nice being first? :) There's another tool people can use and that's the assisted dip machine except you use it standing up. There are different models/designs of these so unless you're a tiny person you'll want one that tends to be taller than average. But again you can see if you're getting close by how much weight you need to help you. As the machine is in front of you you can't swing so that helps us focus on form. And form is always good. This machine is especially good at working at wrist strength and flexibility as you can experiment with different degrees of false grip and do it slowly as well.

@HeadShoht Жыл бұрын

In my personal experience, i was able to bang out 12 reps on muscle ups but only able to do a 20 pound weighted pull up at the time. I think you dont have to be able to do any weighted pull ups to get your first muscle up. You just need to be able to do 10-15 body weight reps. And then you can practice form with a resistance band for assistance. Thats how i got my first.

@cooler14270 Жыл бұрын

true I can do like 10 of 20kg weighted pull ups, but only do like 5 muscle ups

@mikoajkomorowski1290 Жыл бұрын

I haven't done a muscle up yet, but can do 12+ pull ups (didn't test my max in a while). The movement of muscle up is more complex than the just pull up and dips, it's the transition from one to another that creates the difficulty. I think that the idea with resistance bands is great to learn it and progress with it, most likely will try it out myself :)

@Itstime1231 Жыл бұрын

How much did you weigh and were you using the momentum of a crossfitter or standard muscle up form or strict muscle only muscle up? I agree once I can do about 12 reps or so of pull ups I can do a muscle up, but the first time I did it, I was a lot stronger, it took awhile to get the form but then I could do it when I got weaker. not a slow muscle up.

@HeadShoht Жыл бұрын

@@Itstime1231 i was 135 at the time probably, and form was decent. Normal momentum, and the last reps were ofc sloppier.

@HeadShoht Жыл бұрын

@@matemindak384 i could do a few reps with 20lbs at the time, probably 5. But it was a struggle. I dont think there is much carry over from muscle ups to weighted pull ups tbh. Ofc there is some but not as much as youd think. Being able to do a muscle up just means you’re getting explosive with your own bodyweight, doesn’t necessarily mean you will be able to move more weight once it’s added.

@miguelvieites4406 Жыл бұрын

Damn, ajani is a monster

@georglehner407 Жыл бұрын

There's probably a bit of correlation bias, since I assume that most of the people you've tested have trained both the weighted pullup as well as the muscle up, and those that have trained longer both have a higher weighted pullup and are also much more likely to achieve the muscle up. So it seems reasonable that the actually % of bodyweight needed is a bit lower than 54%. However, it's still great to have a good baseline.

@mazi1597 Жыл бұрын

Such a simple yet great and educational video! really loved this! Especially as i started weighted pull ups last month, just got 50% weighted this week (40kg, 79.6kg bw!)! would be cool to be able to do a muscle up at some point!

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Good luck! You should be able to do it!

@simon1lee2003 Жыл бұрын

You should definitely be able to do it, watch some KZfaq videos to get the technique right. I can’t do 50% BW pull up but I can do a few muscle ups..

@kamatayon6380 Жыл бұрын

40kg after a month is crazy... took me around 5 months to get there

@mazi1597 Жыл бұрын

@@kamatayon6380 I think it might be cuz i’ve attempted pull ups since i was 20kg heavier than i am right now, so it translated to weighted pull ups perhaps? Still need to lose about 8kg weight, so i’ve essentially done weighted pull ups by default all the time lmao

@kamatayon6380 Жыл бұрын

@@mazi1597 You are losing weight, but still manage to do 40kg weighted pull-up in one month, you are very strong

@go_touch_grass_bro 10 ай бұрын

I did my first muscle up today and I gotta say skill is much more important than strength. Since I can only pull up plus 1/3 my bodyweight but once I realize the technics that I've been doing wrong, I corrected it and easily get my first (strict) muscle up. Hope this help you guys with ur training

@just-a-random-guy199 10 ай бұрын

It's true and false at the same time the more form is close to a strict muscle up, the more strength you need to be able to do a muscle up, but if you don't care about strict form you can kip and then it's more about having the good technic than strength.

@go_touch_grass_bro 10 ай бұрын

@@just-a-random-guy199 I mean after I know exactly how to to a muscle up and do one with weird from, I know that it's not that I was lack of strength but technics. In the meantime, I already have enough strength for a strict muscle up because i did one 5 minutes after my first weird form muscle up

@withoutwords8136 10 ай бұрын

@@just-a-random-guy199 I can do 40 pull ups, 15 with additional 24 kg and 0 muscle up

@chriss4855 10 ай бұрын

as a counterpoint i will say that raw strength is still particularly effective, decided to give muscle ups a shot several days ago and got it within the first 10 attempts. for context, i've hovered around being able to do at least 1 arm pullups for the past 5 years or so, and can typically get rather high on normal pullups. unsure of what my max weighted pullup is but it's likely quite substantial but to be fair i wasn't able to do the muscle ups without some sort of slight swing, so i can entirely see why technique is still important

@nogrenz6445 9 ай бұрын

@quanghoangvupro 💯 You are correct👍

@user-dl3mg6qi2c 11 ай бұрын

Thank you guys for great job. Ajani is awesome!

@noone-ld7pt Жыл бұрын

Damn this is very interesting! Would love for you to do a crowdsourced version to expand the sample size! I'll test my max pull up next workout, where should I send the result?

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

You can comment your result here for now! I have python code that extracts and parses KZfaq comments. If this video get 100k+ views, I will spin up a website to properly collect more data.

@noone-ld7pt Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber Heyy :D Looks like the video crushed the 100k views goal! Are you still considering setting up a website? Anyway here's my stats: height: 6'2'' / 188cm Weight: 191 punds / 87kg 1 rep max: 49.6 pounds / 22.5 kg (25.8% of bodyweight) Muscle ups: 0

@Giaroscope Жыл бұрын

This was really cool and tracks with what one of the old heads on reddit did a few years ago. They polled and tested people at their gym that could do a muscle up or oa pull up and compared that to how much weight they could successfully add to a pull up. I remember 60-66% extra weight was the point they saw people able to do these advanced moves. In your case, I especially like the extra statistics and seeing their form/weights, it adds a lot of validity and hope for heavier guys like myself

@Joanyan Жыл бұрын

alot of the people that failed the muscle up attempt just looked like they had bad technique and not strength limiting them

@whoknows8223 Жыл бұрын

8:54 this was sick

@DeadFrozeKorro Жыл бұрын

Thank you for analysing the data!!! It helps me to understand what i need to train for ❤

@thanksgivingh6185 Жыл бұрын

Makes sense, cool vid. the two barometers I most commonly see used for a weighted pullup are either 50% BW or two plates for reps. good goals to go for.

@brockobama257 7 ай бұрын

I walked by triton thelix every day, and I recognized a bunch of these ppl from my classes. They are all nerds, most people in the school were, so am I, I really loved this video lol.

@tobyncummins 3 ай бұрын

The most impressive thing in this video is how our Geek Climber kept his enthusiasm high all the way from attempt 1 to 101

@BingBongWasheeWashee Жыл бұрын

Achieved my first clean muscle up no kip recently once I was doing 40lbs (18kg) for 3x8. And regularly practiced explosive high pulls each pull day during warm ups to waist/belly button level.

@proverbalizer Жыл бұрын

Pulling to belly button is already beyond clean muscle up territory no? I mean a dip to belly button level is damn easy

@SLvLverse Жыл бұрын

@@proverbalizeryeah

@majestytd 7 ай бұрын

you lying

@BingBongWasheeWashee 6 ай бұрын

@@majestytd Nah

@Chaosmatic001 Жыл бұрын

Very nice and easy approach to helping achieve a muscle up. Keep up the good videos and logical approach to work out goals.

@luismolinaa5367 Жыл бұрын

amazing video! I would like to see one with planche and the military press.

@rareredcobra1248 Жыл бұрын

I would definitely submit my weighted pullup if you collect it. This is definitely cool info to have, but people shouldn't be completely deterred by the data, seen as people work differently and these are often generalizations.

@prestonpersonal 6 ай бұрын

When I was climbing a lot, I weighed 205 lbs. I could do a 150 weighted chinup and could climb V8. Never got close to a clean muscle up after months of trying.

@Hybrid_Therapy Жыл бұрын

Love it, you're all amazing people and keep up the great pulls.

@Virgin_Buoy_69 Жыл бұрын

Ajani was an absolute beast ! Can u ask him how he became so strong ?

@ericthiede9712 Жыл бұрын

Hey man, as a lifting and exercise 🤓 I think this is really great. Definitely an opportunity to quantify training regressions/progressions.

@jpotter2086 6 ай бұрын

Man, the giant swingin' balls on these guys, and girl .... kudos to all!

@002agua 8 ай бұрын

I was able to throw really clean muscle ups at 73kg and I could do like 18 pullups and I rarely did weighted pullups, technique plays a big part as well too

@funwithcalisthenics Жыл бұрын

I’ve learnt so much from this guy. Another great vid. Let me know if you ever want to do a collab. Anyone else fancy doing one?

@wadball Жыл бұрын

Love this! Must've been awesome for the UCSD students to do something so fun w/ an alumni, cheers! also definitely launch that website !

@SupermanX7 Жыл бұрын

0:43 the guy in the background doing less than half rep push ups

@trittybitty1174 Жыл бұрын

this video was so wholesome and fun had a smile on my face the whole time

@scottsheehan3476 Жыл бұрын

I currently weigh 155 and my best weighted pull up is with 150lbs added. I've never tried a muscle up, I've always just liked regular pull ups haha

@totalmetaljacket789 Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ dude.

@petrosbarmpounakis6139 9 ай бұрын

You could probably do many mu in a row with those numbers

@timshay9503 Жыл бұрын

Really amazing video! Great job hosting it!

@anonssr9514 Жыл бұрын

Ajani is such a beast! seen him in other random videos of calesthenics too crashing the competition lol

@skymoo5094 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic. This gives me a clearly defined goal with weighted pullups to aim for.

@dnegel9546 Жыл бұрын

same. i can do 20 pull ups but cant dont come even close to doing a muscle up. best part was that these guys are close to my bodyweight (160lb). now i have a clear goal. have to be able to pull 110-120lb weighted pull up.

@Bobo-ye7dq 11 ай бұрын

@@dnegel9546 late reply, but for reference I weigh 170 and can only do 50 lb weighted pullups for sets of 6 reps, that's probably just 85lb 1 rep max. But I can do muscle ups. There's a technique to it. Some of the people in this video would be able to do a muscle up if their technique was more co-ordinated. It's pulling from a more diagonal body angle instead of the more vertical angle of pullups.

@dnegel9546 11 ай бұрын

@@Bobo-ye7dq yeah i seen that specially when kali muscle did his almost layingdown lol still despite knowing this 0 luck doing a muscle up

@robcio150 10 ай бұрын

Ajani looking completly unassuming in that longsleeve and then banging out those pull-ups with over 100% BW is super impressive. Dude's a machine.

@MrPsychopathYT 7 ай бұрын

This is good video for me because I can easily do 10 pull-ups now so I bought a weighted vest because my goal is a muscle up and knew I needed to train with more weight to get the proper strength. Can’t wait to do one eventually

@werewolf2006 Жыл бұрын

Brandon Williams be like - where is my cameramen? I've to shoot a new video!

@derekchen5749 Жыл бұрын

😅🤣

@spyro-maniac2607 Жыл бұрын

I have no idea but I recently did my first muscle up (with fair amount of kip, similar to how you did it in your first video) and I can't even do 30% of body weight pull up.

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Thanks for providing your data!

@rhythmandacoustics 8 ай бұрын

What some people are doing wrong is that their thumb position is not wrapping the bar .

@mnykkochino Жыл бұрын

For pull ups I usually find more useful to do a 2RM test. When you do the 1RM lots of people tend to get some sort of assistance from the legs or start the repetition with the arms slightly bent due to their height vs the height of the bar. Because of that they end up cheating the hardest part of the movement that is when your arms are fully straight! Only a couple of guys started from a deadhang position and did the proper 1RM. That's why the 2RM is usually better, you might cheat the first one, but you are definitely not cheating rep #2. Also besides the model being old as you mentioned, the other big thing that doesn't make this whole test very accurate is the form of the muscle up. Most people ended up using technique and momentum for the muscle up and only a few guys did the strict form with pure strength. That's why you got the guy with low 1RM VS bodyweight % being able to do it. He used heaps of momentum! Anyway it is good to have some rough data as a general guidance!! Good job 👊👍

@slapthesloper Жыл бұрын

A 3rd qualitative variable like how clean the muscle up was would give a lot of insight into the outliers in the data

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

It's almost impossible to quantify the amount of kip for the muscle up. Almost every supposedly "strict" muscle up still have some amount of kip from the hip hinge. I can only either allow people to do any kinds of muscle up, or the "perfect" zero kip muscle up without hip hinge. Obviously, I opt for "any" muscle up, because if you nitpick hard, even a lot of KZfaq experts can't perform the "perfect" zero kip muscle up. As for the weighted pull-up, the hardest part is the top, not the dead hang. The dead hang is the hardest for the weighted chin-up. So I think even if some people didn't start from the dead hang, the numbers shouldn't deviate too much from their max if they did it from the dead hang.

@markusseppala6547 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber I only do normal pull-ups and weighted chin-ups, the top is definitely the hardest part in both.

@user-ei4bn9t Жыл бұрын

@@pierreabiven1533 does the wonky one side first version count as a muscle up?

@user-ei4bn9t Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber do you think absolute bodyweight is a factor, on top of the BW% strength ? E.g. apply a factor between 0.9-1.1 to the final score based on absolute weight?

@proxied8075 Жыл бұрын

Wow, super fascinating video concept! Combining data + calisthenics is awesome!!! :)))

@michaeld.uchiha2797 Жыл бұрын

Great video, I'm studying statistics and I think that using probabilty and bayes was a nice idea, gj!!

@CyberWolf755 Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to have weighted pull up weight also shown in KGs, like the body weight

@horlateedayeniola4557 Жыл бұрын

1kg is about 2.2 pounds, so about half of weight

@Gary-qs6xu Жыл бұрын

You earned yourself a new subscriber with this amazing video!

@henri3672 Жыл бұрын

If you’re above 150lbs in weight, it seems like you need a 53%+ body weight pull up to get a clean, non kipping muscle up. This aligns with what Mica Schulz has found (king of weighted) . If you’re lighter than 150 lbs, you likely don’t that need that much, but it definitely helps to have a strong weighted pull up. If you’re aiming for a clean muscle up with no easily visible kip, just go for 53%+ in pull ups and work on technique with bands. Although I recommend just doing weighted pull ups as they are really fun and much more rewarding than chasing MU’s.

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Can you show me the link of the video where Micha discovered his findings? Very interested to see it!

@henri3672 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber its on his instagram, one of his posts. I think like 5-6 months back, has videos of his students doing muscle ups and he talks about it in the comments. He mentions 50-60% of bw pull up, so seems like closer to 53-55% will be enough for a cleaner muscle up. It is also on his website as well I think

@weebrahim Жыл бұрын

Now I'm inspired to be like that Ibrahim

@alanklm 7 ай бұрын

Like for the table and not forcing to watch every single second of your video :)

@miloice74 Жыл бұрын

Weighted pull ups strength do not directly translate to muscle up. You need the strength in the range to pull up high beyond the chest. By training super heavy till the chin, you do not increase your range of motion limitations at all. Use bands to assist and do as many sets of pull up to the belly or hips as possible. You are only as strong as your weakest point. You need that for the muscle up.

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the correlation coefficient between the weighed pull up and the muscle up is close to 1. The strength in the range to pull up high beyond the chest is secondary. This is not the slow no false grip muscle up. If you try to pull slowly on a lat pull down machine beyond the chest, I can guarantee most people who can do a muscle up can't even pull half of their body weight. The key is still the strength you can generate when your chin hasn't passed the bar. If that force is high enough, you can explode pass the transition even if you are barely generating any pulling force beyond the chest.

@miloice74 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber I probably cannot speak for others in general but I have labrum tears on both shoulders. Scapular retraction is weak. However, i was doing more than 15 pull ups since I was 18 yrs old. I am 48 now. I do train with weighted pull ups. However, it didn't translate to muscle up. I am not going to kip my way into straining my shoulders. I have progressed over a year to get 12 to 15 high pull ups min to the chest. All through resistance bands training with sets to the belly. The number of pull ups I could do to chin did not equate to strength in the range beyond. It's like a blind spot. I think it's important part is that the pull is explosive, be it with resistance bands, body weight or weight. If you are to do slow reps grinding up to the chin, it doesn't help at all with the range beyond.

@miloice74 Жыл бұрын

Just an update, i have finally succeeded the muscle up. Not the cleanest form but i am pretty happy with it being the first one. What seems to be the limiting factor is the shoulder instability in the internal rotation as the transition to the dip happens. The hypothesis is that the cns senses the instability limits the strength at that range. I had been getting reps of good control negatives weeks prior to this. What i did on the day itself was to perform pectoral stretches and internal rotation exercises on my left shoulder and then, i succeeded ib the 3rd attempt. I went on to do 4 reps before the skin of the thumb peeled i did not increase my weighted pull ups by much. Occasionally, training with my kid hanging on me doing reps of 6. He is just around 25 kg.

@brianlamptey4823 Жыл бұрын

The easier way to answer this question is a scale that continuously transmits readings to a computer underneath a pullup bar, if you have the money to buy lab equipment that durable and precise. You'd essentially get a reading of all the forces that go on the bar during a muscle up, including the weight required to pull.

@70bruniko Жыл бұрын

The second guy was strong as fuck. He chose a bad grip width for his wrist mobility in order to pass the chin. He could have easily pulled more weight 👏🏼💪🏼

@laidback-luc 5 ай бұрын

Very cool video. Thank you for doing this!

@homerchu4747 Жыл бұрын

3:25 -whats your name ? - Hieu -Nice to meet you/Hieu hahaha so funny to me

@ScuffyTheDog Жыл бұрын

As soon as they grab the bar, you immediately recognize those who have a clean muscle up.😄

@saleenadam1 Жыл бұрын

Muscle up isn't really about strength it's more of a momentum movement unless trying to do it strictly

@Dino-yu4nj 2 ай бұрын

For anyone looking for a precise answer, sort of: For me, when I was able to do 6-7 L-sit pullups with 25% percent of my bodyweight. I couldn't do one every single attempt and they were sloppy. After like 2-3 weeks of attempting mus got something that can be considered the strict mu

@guillermo9140 Жыл бұрын

You should see how many muscle ups can they do because some of those were easy, with a one rep max calculator we would have a better estimation

@denvermartin9656 4 ай бұрын

Great video as I always wondered this myself. I did my first muscle up when I could do a 80 lb weighted pull up at 165 lb bodyweight. 80 lb is 48% which is pretty close to the number you came up with (54%)

@alexbarcovsky4319 Жыл бұрын

I could only do 30% extra BW when I did my first clean muscleup (no chickenwing, knees bent just a little). I could do 12 regular pullups when I learned the muscleup. I think its not productive focus on weighted pullups when you cant do 12 normal pullups, since that number of normal pullups goes high very fast. I started training with 0 and in 3 months I was at 12 and a muscleup, didnt even think about weighted pullups until I started training for OAPU. From my experience, anyone who can do 12 normal pullups can do a muscleup in a single session of technique training with a skilled coach.

@EzzeSoy Жыл бұрын

BRO that guy that did the 105% bw is insane bro.

@StoriesOfTony 7 ай бұрын

Derek: “I think I’ll start with 90.” Me in my head: I’ve got such a long way to gooo 😂😭

@arbeen2k02 Жыл бұрын

What Ive learned is that no matter how much my 1 rep pullup was, never achieved a muscle up. Then I learned the diference between hollow(the one I did) and arched pullups

@GeekClimber Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure weighted pull up and muscle up are highly correlated. What's your max weighted pull up?

@arbeen2k02 Жыл бұрын

@@GeekClimber Of course they are, my max was 75lbs, not that much but I feel its really good. Then I started incorporating hollow pullups with weight and in no time I could achieve the muscle up, maybe it was more about the technique than a lack of strenght

@henrikblomqvist720 Жыл бұрын

@@arbeen2k02 yeah you definitely had the strenght already, just got my first 2 hand muscle up today (not chicken wing is what i mean) and tried weighted pull ups too, could only do 45 lbs

@proverbalizer Жыл бұрын

@@henrikblomqvist720 how much do you weigh?

@henrikblomqvist720 Жыл бұрын

@@proverbalizer like 140 lbs only but i can add 90 lbs to my pull ups now

@melobit6137 7 ай бұрын

Very helpful to see how strong u need to be to achieve muscle up

@differentone_p Жыл бұрын

that was a useful video. thank you!

@IceMontgomery 10 ай бұрын

2:50 Andrey ripped my own damn rotator cuff watching him attempt that muscle up 😅😅

@santi_super_stunts2573 Жыл бұрын

None. Did my first muscle up and I wasn’t training weighted pull-ups. All about form. Had someone explain it to me very well

@keo337 Жыл бұрын

It seems that the biggest issue was isolated body type (low height and low mass) which influences the % of body weight pulled greatly.

@richerr Жыл бұрын

Very impressed at how controlled and strict these athletes were 😤😤

@moxusgaming6404 Жыл бұрын

Sounds about right. I can do about 3-5 clean muscle-ups while at the same time my max weighted pull-up is around 60-70% BW. But I'm not sure if weighted pull-ups are a prerequisite or rather a side-effect of muscle-up training. Because, while I do a lot of weighted pull-ups, the weights are only up to 30lbs, never really pushing to the max. I learned my first muscle-ups when my max pull-ups was around 30, max pull-ups with +30lbs was around 15-18.

@timonix2 7 ай бұрын

last time i checked the data, the number of body weight reps was a greater indicator of being able to do a muscle up than how much extra weight one could lift. the cutoff was at about 23 bodyweight pullups in a set.

@ModernNeandertal Жыл бұрын

I like doing pullups so I got a kick out of your video. Thanks.

@kraxzor 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for brining some science to this.

@MrBoogiemoney Жыл бұрын

The most impressive person to me was Andre who weighed 190 lbs it is wayyyy harder to attempt any of this at that weight and the fact that he did it was awesome.

@dooday1 Жыл бұрын

He was quite strong imo it's just his technique that isn't good.

@jotunngigantopithacus Жыл бұрын

I am 100 kg/220 lb. I am able to do muscle up on the gymnastic rings but not a bar. I would say more technique is involved and forearm strength but less lat/bicep strength for the rings. And I can do 90 lb weighted pullups. If that is any consistent measurement a lot of folks who can do a 40% bw pullup can do ring muscle up with technique practice and forearm development.

@combobreaker449 10 ай бұрын

It's interesting to see some of these gents having issues with 200lb+, I'm 192lbs so I feel a bit better about where I'm at with just bodyweight alone. I will try to get to half my bodyweight by end of year. Started pull ups only this year and can do 10 rep max. This inspired me to do more weighted pull ups :D

@chriss4855 10 ай бұрын

keep at it brother, already killing it if you're up to 10 while at that weight

@tugsatbaris Жыл бұрын

Wow, nice dataset. Ty I've never tried my 1RM max so far. I still can't do MU. 9 reps with 10 kg weighted vest. I'm fully focused on improving my weighted pull-ups. I know one day I will achieve my MU objective. (P.s.: I'm 80 kg. So, If I can so 9 reps with 10 kg w.vest, then It must be very close to achive MU. What I understand by this video is that, if you can easily pull up with 50% of your body weight, then you are very close to doing MU.) (P.s.2: Both works IMO: Either I should increase my weighted pull up weights or lose some body fat.)

@yunjohansson326 Жыл бұрын

Ohh Im just at 54%, should start trying to do the muscle up

@Dondlo46 Жыл бұрын

I love your huge hand movements every 3 seconds when you speak

@andyk613 Жыл бұрын

I think a website or honestly even a google form for people to fill out would be a good way to go about gathering data from a lot of people. Something that would be good to do though would be not only asking if people can do a muscle up, but if they can do a MU, how many they can do in a row. This is because my ORM pullup is 165 at 182 Body Weight, and I can do a muscle up, but actually I can do about 14 in a row. So just asking if someone like me can do a single muscle up will likely skew the data. As well as the fact of having a standard you need to meet when doing the ORM pullup and Muscle Up(s).

@BackiP86 Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I wanted to know. Thx man ✋

@alihasanaxe4936 Жыл бұрын

Never once done a bar MU in my life, I just tried slow ring MU oneday and it worked. if you just get stronger and you practice your false grip, MU learns itself. Literally.

@Kevin-ol3vx Жыл бұрын

Cool experiment, but I think you have a methodological flaw here in your measurement. Since with the bar muscle up, there is a pull, which needs to be explosive (different than 1RM), which pulls past the chest to bar position (where a clean 1RM should end, but none of these guys are doing a weighted chest to bar pull-up here). So an easier way to get a better correlation here would to be to count the 1RM weighted chest to bar, which is the actual precursor bit to the muscle up, and not a 1RM to getting the neck above the bar, since there will be a lot of people who can hit the higher neck above bar number but never developed strength in the rest of the range of motion needed for the muscle up.