ASR should not be trusted in anyway for subjective listening.

​@@enjoshi-godrez8775total bs. There is no reason to discard subjective listening from Amir. It is called subjective for a reason.

Thanks, Rene!

2x

@@josegazal701 thanks!

Hey, thanks!

Does this additional sub deteriorate the point source benefits for imaging?

@@cwctw There are no stereoinformation below 100Hz, so in my case, where the sub is divided at 80Hz,, no, the sub doesnt affect the pointsource/stereoinformation.

@@cwctw Good question, it shouldn't, not if it's implemented correctly... quite the opposite subjectively, ie., a well blended sub system contributes positively in soundstage characteristics. However, if it's detrimental to the soundstage... then the overall subjective benefit of the greater LF capability must outweigh the diminished dimensionality... which sucks because that’s oftentimes a track by track decision.

How do you like the Unity Audio? Which mode do you have?

@@datbaguettedoe6436didnt saw your comment. I own(ed) the Unity Super Rock. I realy like them theyre fun and solid build speaker but ìm now back at a fully Neumann System. Bought the KH150 and the Unitys are packed in. The Unitys are not bad at all, i would probably use them further when i dont have the KH750, but it makes more sense to have an fully neumann system where the MA1 works at its best… so yea, i try to sell them but its not easy because the brand is very unknown. Def. will make a lot of money loss to sell them but yea, thats the downside when you buy equipment from smaller manufactures.

I really can recommend Nubert for your purpose. Their speakers are tuned neutral. I am using the NuPro XS-4000 RC as my monitor speakers. They are bookshelf speakers, but they are punching well above their league. My room is around 12m², so less than half of your room. They are also offering big active tower speakers and a massive soundbar (XS-8500 RC) that weighs around 40kg. I got the prev model. Long story short: You can connect any Nupro active speakers wirelessly to that soundbar, because it also functions as a control center. So you can go from 2.1 to 7.1. You can also add a subwoofer, but trust me: The base on that soundbar is fking massive. Also all speakers can be room corrected with their own app, that is what the RC stands for. If you have an Iphone you don't need an additional mic. If you are on Android, just buy the recommended usb c mic for like 30 bucks. I really recommend you checking them out. They are a german company, if this matters to you. Maybe this is exactly what you are looking for. www.nubert.de/lautsprecher/aktivlautsprecher/

Not $3600 better lol you’re paying for the koolaid

I’m considering a very similar setup with 8030c, some hefty subs and a mini dsp crossover, my only concern would be max spl output. Figuring if I cross at like 120hz I should be able to go pretty loud before the monitors give up. How do you find the max spl capabilities and where do you cross to the sub?

@@Filmmakingness hey man. I don't listen that often above 100 db so I wouldnt know, but the times I really cranked them way up I have had no problems. The stay true and i don't get any distortion at all. They are very good quality. I have phoned and talked to Genelec and they are just awesome to talk to. They even helped me with my pre amp hahaha. They really want you as a customer have a great sound experience. Arendal, the same, great to talk to. They absolutely recommended Genelec with their subs. I'm not a super audiophile but I like great sound and realise that it will cost some. I'm really happy with both companies and the quality. The really sound great together. Maybe, one thing I would change is to buy the bigger sub, 1723 1s instead. But that's just a maybe. One always wants more, bigger better hahaha. I say do it man, they are really awesome and true. Really. Tell me how it went!🙂

I have the 8030c and SB300 Pro sub and it's a fantastic combination for desktop use. I had a pair of KEF LS50 with high end amp and the Genelecs make those sound like a joke. So much clarity, accuracy, and smoothness in a tiny package.

These speakers surely sound better than the 8030c but not $3600 better you paying for the koolaid

Sold my 8341s a while back and moving my atc soon for a set of Pulsar mk2 . They kick arse

The biggest difference with the Genelec is that the floor and ceiling bounce will sound more similar to the on axis sound, and when you are off axis the Genelec will sound about the same to an even greater extent vertically than the other coaxials, though both the Kali and the Kef will do great compared to typical noncoaxial speakers.

1-2m I’d call near to midfield. I’d generally say 2-3 meters and beyond is where you’re getting into farfield. However, *technically speaking*, the farfield is the point where all drivers sum together. But in the context of mixing/monitoring, I go by distance since most monitors’ drivers are summed by 1m. Hope that helps. 👍

You mean GLM? No. See earlier comment. 👍

Hmmm. I’d get the Kii.

I’ve tried. But so far ATC doesn’t seem to be interested in sending me review samples. They stopped replying to my emails in January. 🙁

Thanks for the reply. I kind of expected that was the reason. I guess ATC being the old-school type of company don't care much about YT.@@ErinsAudioCorner

You'll still get a great stereo image if the room and placement are symmetrical, but you'll also get some bass unevenness and correcting that and using the "sound character profiler" to taste adds a lot, not to mention it's only $200 which is less than most any other room correction system.

as usual with Genelec, I'd expect the main differences to be in low end extension as you mentioned and in output capacity. 8361a for example handles distortion better at 96dB @1m than 8331a at 86dB (even if just a little bit). That means you have just as clean an output on the big boy at essentially twice the output level than the small ones

Bigger means more output & lower extension. One benefit of the 8331 though is lower noise so less hiss. Overall sounds signature is similar though.

The CEA-2034 measurements are taken at about 80-86dB. Since this is a powered speaker, the input voltage to achieve that SPL level - with the gain at max - was around 0.05v (if memory serves). However, the software scales to a voltage. In this case it scales to 0.30v for powered speakers. I can change that manually but I don’t because it’s a bit of a hassle. For passive speakers, however, the input voltage is always 2.83v, per the specification. Hope that helps.

@@ErinsAudioCorner indeed it ford thanks

Is not lol

I have done it in my room, it sounds like cardboard compared to emotionally engaging hi-fi speakers

@@xfloodcasual8124 Exactly. My speakers cry out tears when they play beautiful songs. But seriously tho, genelec is the best

@@abielpangga6314 They really sound like someone dropped them off a building to me

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I own these speakers. No they are not usable as hifi speakers in the far field.

@@awsomenesscaleb even with subs crossed at about 100hz? maybe even higher to get more headroom

@@awsomenesscaleb I addressed these in the video. Except for hiss. I didn’t notice any in the nearfield.

@@ErinsAudioCorner sorry I typed the comment while watching the video ;) thanks for the replay anyway. I was about the delete the comment and then I saw your reply :)

Yes. I actually discussed this in the video but edited it out because I went on for five minutes about it. But, yes. Although the ratio is altered based on how close you sit and the relative distance of boundaries. I imagine most who buy this speaker do so for its size. And therefore it is reasonable to conclude those users are also sitting in a (relatively) smaller room, with nearby walls. The one difference you’ll notice is that the nearfield response will look more like the direct (on-axis) response, the further away from boundaries you are. However, consider this speaker is about +/-50 degrees out to 20kHz which is relatively wide (at this frequency) so you are likely to have a decent bit of sidewall reflection even at the HF. Again, this is all relative and your distance from the speaker and the walls will alter the results.

@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks Erin! Great video!

"too good" ? is a very strange description for a loudspeaker ;-) maybe if you define your benchmark as "real acoustic instruments/vocals" then every loudspeaker becomes "not quite there" in terms of recreating an acoustic event ?

@@BogdanWeiss I understand the confusion and absolutely agree. However, that is not what I meant. To me all Genelec's I've heard sounded incredible, definitely, but to a point, where I wouldn't mind some things I would have on other speakers. I don't want to say they "sweeten" the sound, but I guess I kind of do mean that. Everything just sounds so damn good on them. They are obviously much better suited for mixing than random high-fi speakers or budget monitors, but I'm wondering whether that might be a problem with them when actually mixing (compared to other high-end speakers). I imagine you could overlook some problems you wouldn't with speakers that sound "worse". Kind of like people used NS10's or the current Yamaha HS series. Sure, they sound terrible and you wouldn't want to use them to actually listen to music, but a lot of people think their mixes translate great when checked on them because "if it sounds good on those it sounds good anywhere". Again, I'm not saying they are bad monitors at all, they are absolutely incredible speakers, if I ever buy high end monitors, I will absolutely consider them. But I will want to test every pair of speakers by actually mixing through them and comparing the results. (or something like that)

I like Adam more. Espacially the more expensive s line. It's so good

@@yona9798 It's interesting to hear how different people approach mixing/monitoring & indeed a lot of great music was mixed using the infamous NS10's - The best pair of Genelec's that I've heard have been discontinued ( 3 way with a 10" woofer, edgeless mid & waveguided tweeter) driven by a Bricasti DAC - so I think this had quite an impact on overall quality. Experienced "punters" can pull-off seemingly impossible feats of audio recording/mixing. Like recording/monitoring in the field with a tiny 3.5" full range speaker & headphones ( for bass ) BUT these are highly experienced engineers, familiar with the entire recording process & in-depth knowlidge of microphones/placement/instrument polar radiation patterns. Andrew Scheps shares his insights kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frxzl9WKx7u6h2w.html

​@@yona9798 This is typically the reason when you are mixing that you should also listen to the mix with more popular consumer speakers and headphones to get an idea of what might need further tweaking. Also over time you should get a lot more used to the sound and at that point it will likely further aid you rather than be a detriment.

Why would you even look at the Kef lsx? Audio pro a26 should sound better and for the same price you can get Vifa Stockholm 2.0 which just blows them away...

@@lukabosnjak3829 one is a two way design and the other is a sound bar. How did you end up with this conclusion?

@@sergeysmelnik Again, Vifa is probably the best "hifi" sound for that price, literally sounds nearly perfect with excellent detail retrieval (you easily can hear when some parts of the track are lacking), open and above all natural mids and soo precise bass. When I heard Lsx in the store I thought it was a joke, maby nice but simply poor when compared to that Vifa which is simply magical...

@@sergeysmelnik Why would you want coaxial speaker, they sound wierd and hollow and just introduce artifacts when the bass is playing, Thiel managed to solve the issue tho...

@@sergeysmelnik I know... Sorry, replied quickly because I was in school. Kef Lsx are decent but nothing more and nowhere near worth the price. Vifa is a better sounding speaker than stereo Lsx no matter what, sorry but you have to hear them. Kef is to me a gimmicky cool looking pair of bookshelf speakers but can't match the quality of Vifa. Vifa will sound more correct, controled, neutral and sweeter with deaper bass and I can't think of single advantage of Kefs other than ability to separate them but Vifa is quite wide so you will also hear some stereo... Listen to Oluv's videos about Vifa.

8030c is the best all around for the average joe imo

@BoredErica As Erin mentioned in the video, the LED power/clip indicator light on the front panel can be turned OFF using the rear DIP switches. And to my ears, the One series Genelecs sound superior to the LS50 Meta in regards to detail/clarity/imaging/soundstage...and even bass response. But I can understand how a monitor or loudspeaker "looks" can be subjective and carries more weight in your purchase decision if you would be using these as home HiFi speakers and not for professional tracking/mixing/mastering that they were developed for. They are entirely different, but I love the "look" (and sound) of the Børresen Acoustics #01 & #03 loudspeakers for home HiFi use.

@@bbfoto7248 Ability to turn it off is a smart feature, and I never got that in any studio monitors I owned before!

Oh they also make HUGE mains as well as massive subs, all now including SAM tech as well

What kind of system are you making? For me there are no competitors to Genelec if you want to build an immersive system. Dutch and Dutch doesn't have a versatile option for a center channel for example. Or mounting. Or multiple sizes. Or coaxial flexibility for vertical dispersion when placing height channels. From the comparisons I've read about you're going to be amazed with any of them for stereo. However, even for stereo, if you want to go to the extremes you'll need multiple subs for the Dutch and Dutch, and something like the Kii will need a BXT module, which Genelec had a large range of larger and smaller subs plus their W371 which integrates perfectly with the ones.

@stevenswall Thank you. The plan is to re-do my dedicated HT, and I plan on using an acoustically transparent screen for the RCL channels.

@@isaacsykes3 In that case you could go with any of them, just be wary that if you want height channels, Genelec has them in hordes, where Kii and Dutch and Dutch will be larger beasts to mount.

I touched on this in the review.

Too small, you need the 8341 or 8351, but could use the 8331 on rears or overhead

I’d love an 8030C review as well! I’m upgrading my monitors, and those are my #1 pick right now.

Yes. I was not sent that to review.

@@ErinsAudioCorner that's a shame. They are meant to be used with glm. Night and day difference for me.

@@CatalinAdler I understand completely. However, characterizing the speaker on its own gives us an understanding of how well engineered it is. Showing GLM results, while helpful, aren’t a complete characterization of the overall performance of the speaker. Especially wrt on/off-axis response (which is crucial in any speaker).

I think glm would not make much of a difference since it is compensating for the acoustics of the room. Since the measuring system eliminates the effects of the room, using glm calibration would make the response worse because you would be compensating for bass peaks that were not there in the measurements.

@@ErinsAudioCorner fully agree but tbh I would have expected both measurements as glm is the way it's meant to be ran. Next time i guess.

"trough". And, yes, these are the nitpicky things people will point out so I might as well do it first. Otherwise I'll be accused of some B.S. from some internet hero...

@@ErinsAudioCorner trough, sorry. no, I get you. thats where were at. speakers have gotten so good that one or two db is mentionable. amazing.

@@word2RG 💯

How far away were you sitting from them?

@@dougleydorite 6 feet.

Ha! "Yeah Right". 😉

Tannoy makes a good concentric but their throat termination to the tweeter is a far cry from Kef and Genelec. And that’s what makes or breaks a design.

@@ErinsAudioCorner You're mixing apples with oranges. You can't compare Studio Monitors and HiFi Speakers. Genelec have always been groundbreaking on their designs but they were never into concentric designs except 'The Ones' series and they've nailed it, I agree. Tannoy however was the pioneer in concentric designs since the 60's, that's what I'm saying. I don't follow much hifi speakers and I don't really know about the throat termination to the tweeter you mentioned, nevertheless Tannoy's Dual Concentric design has always been leading in phase coherence and point-source imaging. They also implemented a new HF Tulip Waveguide on their last 'Gold' monitor series which gives even better symmetrical dispersion, broader ( 90 by 90) soundstage and more focused stereo imaging. You should test them sometime and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Although based in Europe, I'm not a fan of European Speaker designs with Tannoy the only exception.

@@AchillesEconomou you were the one who brought up the Tannoy first. So, therefore, by your own logic you are mixing apples and oranges. 😎

@@ErinsAudioCorner Do us a favour and keep on testing Hi-Fi and 'High-End' speakers for your stupid subscribers and leave the recording industry alone as you're NOT a professional and you don't have a clue on studio gear.

One of these in an M2 variety would be NUTS! That said, just because I couldn’t find anything negative to say (when used within a reasonable operating range given its size and output limitations) doesn’t mean everyone else will love them.

To be fair Genelec was pretty unimaginative until they launched the one series.

@@Audio_Simon I agree. Their other speakers seem to target SPL and are pretty accurate but I wouldn't call them state of the art.

@@Audio_Simon I'd also argue that the 8000 series in general is better cabinet design than most anyone. Since the 8260 though when they embarrassed the prior attempts at coaxial drivers, I'd call them state of the art, and that was 12 years ago.

Towing out in relation to directly facing the listeners ear I think, which is quite common.

Hmmm I’ll have to look into KSD

Like what?

@@ATommy-lz4jd Thiel cs5

@@lukabosnjak3829 new ? Also does thiel speakers provide any support any warranty ? Also no information about their directivity anywhere. Wikipedia says the company is bankrupt!

@@ATommy-lz4jd Well they blow the genis away and are probably even comparable in accuracy for less, but you would need to take a good care of them!

@@lukabosnjak3829 Thiel seems to only pay attention to one plane of dispersion, only half the box is designed correctly, there is no concentric driver, and the drivers aren't matched to DSP controller amps to make them even more accurate. The Thiel is a Nissan truck without an engine. The Genelec is a Cybertruck.