Deleuze at La Femis (1987) Extract Full lecture : • Gilles Deleuze on Cine...
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@plume6424 жыл бұрын
The untranslated part is the most interesting part of the extract 1:21, therefore I translate it for you: "So you understand, when you have such an idea, the important is not to know whether it is true or false. The question is to know if it is important, if it is interesting, and if it is beautiful. And it is the same in science, it is the same in philosophy, you know"
@tristanreynolds51354 жыл бұрын
@@braydensmith7362 Nietzsche is discussed and plays an important role throughout many of Deleuze's works...i would write more but what you said is just so bizzare
@Fnoalle4 жыл бұрын
Oh my! If actual people listened this guy, he'd die from tooth decay. Now, if you admire Deleuze, you'd nod and pretend to understand what I wrote above. But if you have common sense, however, PM me and I'd happily explain what I meant.
@tristanreynolds51354 жыл бұрын
@@Fnoalle jaja wtf
@plume6424 жыл бұрын
@@braydensmith7362 its ok to steal ideas, that's what creative people do.
@chrish123454 жыл бұрын
sorry he's talking nonsense, the idea that in Science its more important to be beautiful and interesting than to have any truth attached to it is the machination of a lunatic
@gullyboy96 жыл бұрын
god deleuze has such an ominous voice
@robharris57826 жыл бұрын
I think he had a serious lung health issue, and he smoked a lot.
@HamedMahdavi5 жыл бұрын
I feel lost in his voice. I drown in his voice.
@erwinwoodedge48854 жыл бұрын
His nicotine addiction cost him his lungs, and as a consequence, his life by suicide.
@pfflam4 жыл бұрын
his voice is ripe with the immanence of his mortality. ... it might be said
@oliviertesta84463 жыл бұрын
@@erwinwoodedge4885 er, not exactly. He had a lung disease since his teens, later caught tuberculosis and then COPD. At the end, breathing was so painful that he killed himself (It's true that he was a very heavy drinker and smoker though)
@sethcopeland436220 күн бұрын
The way he punctuates "but by her dreams" («mais par ses rêves!») is spooky.
@Jeffwaifei4 жыл бұрын
I just imagine him explaing the Rhizome with his tone of voice.
@noor5x92 жыл бұрын
My man got so deep the subs were like Imma head right out
@spookybuk2 жыл бұрын
This is how you know someone has just finished watching Berserk.
@Noahthelasercop Жыл бұрын
Berserk finished watching him.
@spookybuk Жыл бұрын
@@Noahthelasercop Maybe so! There is a lot of Western influence on Berserk. However, this theme of "the dark side of heroes, saviors and reformers" has been a main theme in Chinese philosophy for at least 2.5k years. It's a huge theme in the Zhuangzi, considered by people like D. T. Suzuki "the greatest Chinese philosopher". It is the main point behind "Water Margin" and "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" - I mean, TWO OUT OF "The Four Classic Novels of Chinese Literature". So even if the author wanted here to paint another Western reference, to any educated person in the East, these European commentaries on the matter look like a child understanding for the first time how a faucet works, or how to open a door. Also, of course I was joking about him watching Berserk. It would only START publishing one year after this video was recorded.
@Noahthelasercop Жыл бұрын
@spookybuk "Of course I was only joking" Same. Also, don't use a less than 2 minute video of a guy explaining one of his ideas to represent Western philosophy.
@spookybuk Жыл бұрын
@@Noahthelasercop But I believe that, in the sense I used it to represent Western philosophy, it does represent it. Being a 2 minute video is no obstruction against representing Western philosophy on any given point :)
@Noahthelasercop Жыл бұрын
@@spookybuk That was advice. You come off as untrustworthy and one-sided just comparing the likes of a short video to famous Eastern literature and philosophers. If I grabbed a brief "commentary" of an Eastern philosopher and compared it to the West, I could pull off a similar stunt.
@hegelianischeschizophrener3743 Жыл бұрын
I remember those psychoanalytical analyses of Alice's adventures in Wonderland which portrayed the immanent and pulsing violence of a little girl as Alice through her obscure and illogical dreams, a literary work appreciated by Deleuze
@natewikman10 ай бұрын
where?
@Prprpsksks6 ай бұрын
@@natewikmanlogic of sense
@vitogambino60519 ай бұрын
reminds me of satoshi kon's movie Paprika
@samson4366 Жыл бұрын
Dreams is dangerous, linger like angel dust Ain't no angels hovering, ain't no savin' us Ain't no slaving us, you gon' need a bigger boat You gon' need a smaller ocean but here's some more rope - billy woods of Armand Hammer
@x3i4n4 ай бұрын
Exactly why im here. Ahhh, billy woods man.
@lugus92614 жыл бұрын
This sums up where guts went wrong with griffith in berserk
@Joshlul3 жыл бұрын
he realized it.....
@proalvinyt86833 жыл бұрын
dude this one hits me hard bro nice analogy
@batsky60613 жыл бұрын
How good is Berserk? I’m an anime novice, I’ve only watched NGE, HxH, FMAB, and a few others. I’ve heard it’s rich in Nietzsche’s philosophy, from my limited knowledge of it it sounds like Griffith is his Übermensch.
@lugus92613 жыл бұрын
@@batsky6061 the good version is on KZfaq for free and its like 25 episodes. Does not cover a lot but it does cover essentially the most important arc to get into it. The series overall is long and has too many hiatuses (you like HxH so it's fine) but its good ya know. Guy has sword, monsters be ugly, sad times happen. Good series
@thomassaultry43693 жыл бұрын
@@batsky6061 pls read the manga if you want to fully experience and understand the story and the message of the author read the manga
@tdez60602 жыл бұрын
Wow this is Griffith from Berserk … Mirua was an absolute genius.
@Sterben-ss1sc2 жыл бұрын
Thought the same
@shellypooper2 жыл бұрын
what do you mean ? I'm not familiar with berserk
@egoxagony46232 жыл бұрын
@@shellypooper guts is the one who makes griffiths dream true, trapped in grifith dream to creake his own kindom
@shellypooper2 жыл бұрын
@@egoxagony4623 thank you for the explanation
@mau345 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing!
@ibarna18694 жыл бұрын
"We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality, and while you are studying that reality…we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s, how things sorts out. We are history’s actors” - Karl Rove, Chief consultant and policy advisor to George W. Bush an other interesting reflection: by Richard Linklater kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJ6ahNiAz9q0g4U.html
4 жыл бұрын
Narcissistic bullshit. They dont create realities, because power is slavery. People are the history's actors.
@JuanTorres-ny9ff4 жыл бұрын
No Fernando la historia la escribe la burguesia, ni siquiera en este momento nosotros que vivimos en este tiempo tenemos idea de lo que realmente esta pasando, la información que nos envian viene tergiversada, imcompleta, para que sepamos justo lo necesario y no creemos problemas.
@harrylately14 жыл бұрын
CoronaVirus- “what’s my name bitch”
@freelance_commie2 жыл бұрын
@ narcissistic sure, but it’s the not so coded language of an imperialist demagogue, a representative of one of the worst and most unflinchingly brutal, insatiable regimes in the worlds history, talking about how they’re essentially god and through “triumph of our will” (sound familiar) we thrust our reality, our demands and our demonic incoherent lust on to whoever, whenever for whatever reason as if they need a reason at all. They have the master copy and are writing their draft of history and it’s pretty well protected but hopefully ultimately it gets exposed and tossed out. Its been done before! To think guillotines weren’t that long ago at all hmm.
This has real “Denial of Death” vibes. The idea of others dreams threatening is pretty much a important theme in that book. I always love seeing multiple different thinkers come to similar conclusions from different angles. Idk why.
@notachannle2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the book rec
@carolaybob2 жыл бұрын
Extraordinario!!!
@writer44447 ай бұрын
Reminds me of Hitler and the Nazis dream when he says "People's dreams are always devouring, and threaten to engulf us; the others dream is very dangerous. Dreams have a terrible will to power and each one of us is a victim to the other’s dreams." Nietzsche and the will to power played a big part in the Reich's dream. Even if they misunderstood Nietzsche's philosophy and used it for pursuit of one of the worst atrocities ever recorded.
@domenhitrec32882 ай бұрын
Deleuze’s brother was killed by the nazis.
@acsatornad3 жыл бұрын
Long thick nails, ominous, foggy but crackling voice, talking about devouring dark dreams of young girls...ok Deleuze just admit it already...You are an evil wizard.
@acsatornad3 жыл бұрын
@@samba780 Nope, appearently, he had long nails all his life, because he couldn"t stand the touch of fabric :)
@fafo8672 жыл бұрын
@@acsatornad very sensitive fingers
@HitlerStalinProductions Жыл бұрын
this is all french "people"
@EricLeafericson2 жыл бұрын
"I had some dreams, they were clouds in my coffee"
@kydanoster90272 жыл бұрын
if only guts had seen this video
@carlosluis1970 Жыл бұрын
A father that dream about his sons futur and create a company like Antony & Sons, for instance, and then capture them working in that company, what is he doing about the freedom of choice of the sons?
@renatogaucho78103 жыл бұрын
Censor your dreams. American dream (now world's middle class dream) is nightmare.
@carlosluis1970 Жыл бұрын
yes!
@user-zd7cs3fj9t4 жыл бұрын
あの頃は生きてたんだな🐤
@argent23452 жыл бұрын
I had a dream that someone was dreaming of me. C'est vrai.
@ripper2045 Жыл бұрын
Deleuze after watching Berserk
@x3i4n4 ай бұрын
Ayo, shit's deep bruh
@khanthor79742 жыл бұрын
La reve de la reve (the dream ofthe dream) so tautologically Heidegger-like. Not to mention the unavoidable Nietzschean reference of the Will to Power. Certaily by an impressive voice.
@wedgewizard54293 жыл бұрын
1:21 Why is this part left out of the translation? It seems like the most important part of the clip.
@salerace843 жыл бұрын
Refering you to L'Ennui et le Rêve comment above and his translation : "So you understand, when you have such an idea, the important is not to know whether it is true or false. The question is to know if it is important, if it is interesting, and if it is beautiful. And it is the same in science, it is the same in philosophy, you know"
@wedgewizard54293 жыл бұрын
@@salerace84 Thank you. Yes, I had read that part of the translation in the comments. I was just curious _why_ that part of the translation had been left out of the video.
@salerace843 жыл бұрын
@@wedgewizard5429 ah I see ! It was like this in the original video I extracted that part from, I'm French so I didn't really pay attention to the subtitles until someone mentioned it here in the comments.
@LowenKM2 жыл бұрын
But some folks are attracted to the dreams of others for much the same reason they like fast food... 'cuz it's cheap, convenient, and you don't have to know anything, or bother with any of the 'prep'.
@B4Block2 жыл бұрын
And thus one falls into the dangers of naïvely following the convenient dreams of others, no?
@ModernConversations2 жыл бұрын
GRIFFITH!!!!!!!
@sdux18 Жыл бұрын
satoshi kon's paprika (2006)
@AlessioAndres10 ай бұрын
He's right in a romantic frame of thought. You see, it is impossible for an intellectual to be romantic, an intellectual always steps over people's delusions, which they, informally and uniformally, dare to call as dreams. The well informed, general need, will always win against any tabu of being. After all, freedom is about not taking other's freedom. It is about having the right at personal view without committing the slightest form of injustice.
@maltestene20 Жыл бұрын
This is so berserkcore
@yannickmantele5788 Жыл бұрын
im getting asthmatic watching this
@seeingsights2 жыл бұрын
But what happens if we all exist in somebody’s dream, and the dreamer wakes up?
@F--B4 ай бұрын
In tradition, there is the harmony of the collective dream. In modernity, there is the civil war of individual dreams.
@anonymoushuman83442 жыл бұрын
Whose dreams did he feel he'd been caught in?
@carlosluis1970 Жыл бұрын
God
@AudioPervert15 жыл бұрын
subtitles stop in the middle ... Hmmmmm
@BlueDusk954 жыл бұрын
In short he says that it doesn't matter whether this idea is true or false because it is a beautiful idea when used properly.
@plume6424 жыл бұрын
Audio Pervert I have tried a more literal translation than what was provided above. Please have a look.
@leftiblith6263 Жыл бұрын
i
@lp47555 жыл бұрын
Jesus
@theopenmouth96952 жыл бұрын
LMao
@sethcopeland436220 күн бұрын
Gillesus
@real.liveDJ3 жыл бұрын
the algorithm brought me here. lmfao. whos dream is that!?
@tdez60602 жыл бұрын
you don’t get it man….
@real.liveDJ2 жыл бұрын
@@tdez6060 I think I do and I think I was joking, but I do think that cyberspace has entered into (or taken over) the dream space. the globalized mind continues to make me dream less, want more. Deleuze here just explained how we are subject to dreams destructive nature. And this is my problem with "philosophy" (Im glad its dead), its someone elses dream.
@tdez60602 жыл бұрын
@@real.liveDJ dream-space has always been informed by want and desire and that is why it is dangerous. Also who says philosophy is dead? Cyberspace?
@real.liveDJ2 жыл бұрын
@@tdez6060 idk who said it, maybe baudrillard or something. I say cyberspace because I think that the multitude of ideals presented online have now been programmed into us, therefore shaping our desire. to deleuze's points here, i dont even know if we even desire anymore. death drive loops and loops and loops. whatever now im just spewing my own *traumas*
@carlosluis19702 жыл бұрын
@@real.liveDJ the question is: who have interest in the death of philosophy?
@evenzero4 жыл бұрын
Yall stuck in my dream, so guess what happens next....
@stevenpalomino19063 жыл бұрын
Oh so when Martin Luther king said he had a dream he was talking about genocide.
@stevenpalomino19063 жыл бұрын
At least griffith obtained his dream
@Cicalonion3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@TheSwordofStorms2 жыл бұрын
Yes 100%
@TheSaltyAdmiral5 жыл бұрын
Ok, Mr fancy pants philosopher dude, what if... my dream is to be engulfed by someone else's dream? Then who has engulfed who!? It makes you narrow your eyes, gaze out at nothing through the kitchen window and think "What the fuck am I doing!?", doesn't it?
@joaov.m.oliveira99032 жыл бұрын
Then it's obvious you engulf the person who's dreaming about you.
@kkounal9742 жыл бұрын
Engulfed implies it's non-consensual so you aren't making much sense.
@fredwelf8650 Жыл бұрын
it is a matter of who is advantaged or disadvantaged by the flow of dreams. I think however the this is really about will and unconscious will, though.
@georgepantzikis7988 Жыл бұрын
@@kkounal974 You can be engulfed willingly.
@kkounal974 Жыл бұрын
@@georgepantzikis7988 Technically in most contexts yes but in the context of the comment, no. Unless you literally read minds you can't want to be engulfed in someone else's dream because you can not know what that dream is. You can only have an expectation of it but that is yours, your dream then becomes the projection of that expectation to others, your dream in that case is having others have a certain dream. So I'm basically saying you either interpret engulfed as non-consensual or the premise of the comment does not work thus the argument makes no sense. Ωραίο επίθετο πάντως.
@TheJackal917 Жыл бұрын
The passage about young girls sounds very pedophilic.
@carlosluis1970 Жыл бұрын
LOL...process him! psychology books tell that we see he world as we are...
@leftiblith6263 Жыл бұрын
could be 19-24. It's your mind that went there
@TheJackal917 Жыл бұрын
@@leftiblith6263 not with what New Left preaches. Lol. Obviously everybody thinks to the measure of own's perversity but that idea was taken from Sartre, so I guess you're wrong. Unrestricted sexual relationships with minors as a part of sexual freedom as left sees it is one of cornerstones of its ideology.
@georgepantzikis7988 Жыл бұрын
@@TheJackal917 Name one prominent leftist for whom pedophilia was an integral part of their philosophy.
@radoslavprycik5472 жыл бұрын
Bla bla bla...
@carlosluis19702 жыл бұрын
i explain to you: have you ever been exploited by a boss, that forced you to work at the end of your physical / psychic limits? have you ever been manipulated by other person, not just but also, because you were in submissive position? have you imersed in ideas, religion, concepts created by others? have you ever sufferede an imposed discourse or thinking, for instance, by your parents? you get it now?
@radoslavprycik5472 жыл бұрын
@@carlosluis1970 deluze with his postmodernistic relativistic blablaing explains everything :)
@carlosluis19702 жыл бұрын
@@radoslavprycik547 just a question: all the words you use to speak and write were created by you? no? so, in that case, when you speak, what are you speaking about?
@radoslavprycik5472 жыл бұрын
@@carlosluis1970 I made it short: deluze is charlatan
@kkounal9742 жыл бұрын
@@radoslavprycik547 People try to understand the difference between perspectivism and relativism challenge. Also this video is a stand-alone, you don't need to know or agree with anything about Deleuze to understand what he is saying.