Awesome brother welcome to the body of Christ GOD’s family

I just don't get how others can't think like you🙆‍♂️. If cliff can change your mind as a former atheist then why can't others do the same. What made you look into it yourself?

​@@shydalelewis3966Because they want to live their lives how they want in sin and not accept the consequences for their actions. Life comes from life not non life.

@@christopherlovesjesussomuc3749 amen to that.

Thank you for this and God bless you

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It's cool to see non Christians watch someone like cliff he's awesome. Why not come to christ yourself if you havnt already. What makes a non Christian click on a vid like this...just wondering btw I've never had the mindset of an atheist🤷‍♂️.

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Lol he didn’t make sense

@@aznation4592 Believers in atheist Dogma never make sense.

@@1godonlyone119 They present a lot of “What ifs “ smh 🤦‍♂️

@@aznation4592 That's because they're trying to deny "what is," and trying to deny "who is."

@@1godonlyone119 Yup. I believe what their being taught in schools has a big part in what they believe. Evolution the Big Bang 💥 etc

i do not agree ,if calvinism is true God is not righteousness,so u belive God created a human and human did not asked to be created then God sends him t hell becase God does not want to save him>??it goes aganest bible and reason why i dont accept it

what it is to be human?? comes from God

I don’t agree. Calvinism is a retreat from personal accountability and individual achievement. A real search for Truth will lead you deeper.

Jesus as Lord and Savior is the correct position. not Lutheran or Calvin.

Bro I’m halfway through the video, I see this comment, look up, and he’s looking all over the place hahaha

“Cliffe says atheism cannot explain free will and that without God we can do as we please.. but we have constructed a society that punishes wrongdoing, if you rob rape or murder for example, you will more than likely pay the price for your crime.” Fascinating that you said that your society was constructed to punish wrongdoing, throughout European history and Western history, modern society was forged from Christianity. Now I know that there were those, namely the ancient Catholic Church, who misused the teachings of Christ for their own gain, in which Christ warned about. But the problem with your argument is that not all societies in the world conform to the West. Today there is still African slave trades, women treated as cattle, apartheid (also known as dhimmi) as well as the torture, murder and rape of those who do not follow a particular religion. And they believe that what you and the West is in a constant state of wrongdoing. So how can you explain that? “We are in essence social creatures, we have deemed what is acceptable in life, causing hurt or harm to another person is frowned upon. We're not the only creatures that do this in nature, plenty of other animals do this. Even the humble ant will work as a team. Also I'd say our morals change over time, here in England 50 years ago it was deemed to be an illegal practice to engage in homosexual activity, which could result in a prison sentence, .. today it's totally acceptable to be in a homosexual relationship, we've moved on.. for the betterment of society.” But how does homosexuality benefit society? Today in England pastors and common people are being arrested in the street for merely saying homosexuality is a sin. I saw a story where a Christian couple in England was being pressured to shut down their coffee house, by the government, because they had a LCD screen posting Bible verses that could be seen from the outside through a window. Also the amount of muslims that live in England are being allowed to call for the destruction of England as well as a muslim who beheaded a British Soldier in the streets that has been ignored for severe punishment.

jrc99us Thanks for your reply and your thoughts. You've given me quite a few things to respond to. You say modern society was forged from Christianity, certainly that played a part in Western culture, but real democracy was forged much much earlier in ancient Greece some 500 years before Christ, even the word "democracy" comes from the Greek translation "rule of the people". You are absolutely correct in saying not all societies in the world conform to Western values, I'd say there are many nations around the world that could learn a thing or two from the west.. perhaps first and foremost how to treat fellow human beings of other colours, creeds ,and sexuality. Your comment about pastors and common people being arrested in the street for merely saying homosexuality is a sin here in England is highly exaggerated ( if you can give me links i will gladly look into it), I did some online digging, and did see there was a small incident where a street preacher called Dale McAlpine was arrested on grounds of using homophobic language here in the UK in 2010, he was found not guilty and awarded costs. As regards your other comment, I could find no evidence that any couple were being forced to shut down their coffee house because they wanted to put bible verses in their window. You are free to put anything you like in your own window so long as it isn't libelous or defamatory against anyone. You do have free speech here in the UK, again, so long as it isn't slanderous, I've not heard of any Muslim call for the destruction of England, if that has happened, it would depend in what context it was said, ie, if they were openly encouraging others to commit any kind of crime against the state, it would be acted upon. You mentioned the despicable attempted beheading of the British soldier (Lee Rigby), again, those 2 fundamentalist Muslims were brought to justice and will serve the rest of their lives in prison. Our democracy is by no means perfect, we get things wrong sometimes, but in general, the standard of life here in the west, as you probably know, is much better than some other 3rd world countries. I was a little perplexed by your statement "how does homosexuality benefit society"? As I mentioned, homosexuality was seen as an immoral act a little over 50 years ago, we, as a society, have changed our position on this, and it has become much more accepted nowadays, gays are a part of everyday life now, they don't have to hide their love or feel in anyway ashamed, gays can and do partake in every aspect of society here, and quite rightly too. It benefits society that they don't have to hide their love or be punished for who they are. What would you do with gay people may I ask? Do you find them a blight on society? True morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told, Religious morality is doing what you are told, regardless of whether it is right... ie: you are told certain things are wrong from the writings of an old book, and you don't question it.

bibbue43yj, SOCIETY IS YOU AND ME. HOW CAN SOCIETY PUNISH WRONG DOING . you are punishing yourself for your wrong doing

Hey, Bonnie! I personally wanted to apologize to you for anyone claiming to be Christian who had left hateful, unthoughtful or belittling comments towards you. I am a follower of Christ and I recognize you're struggling through some very difficult questions, most of which cannot be answered by man. There are some posters who come here who try to rationalize and explain everything and it can and often times does comes off as arrogant. For that I apologize. I do hope that we all strive towards truth and I do hope that your journey leads you to Christ.

Hey Daniel, thanks for your kind words, don't worry I'm very rarely offended by anything anyone says to me. I do realize that I'm probably outnumbered by Christians, so it's only natural that if I say anything to the contrary concerning Christianity, I will expect Christians to defend their faith. I'm probably more offended by comments from Atheists aimed at Christians, some of it is really nasty. I'm not out to offend anyone, just to give a different view. All discussion is good if conducted in a proper manner. Thanks again.

That is NOT what he said, at all. He was quoting an atheist philosopher who had the intellectual honesty to admit that, if there is no God, life has no meaning. Which means your life is just as insignificant as your death.

so your saying that life on earth is pointless im sure many will disagree with you and ill bet you are living it up in this life if you were a starving near dead baby i might agree with you but . if someone dosant believe in GOD thats there choice and there life should not have ant less meaning tham someone who does .

+phil cowbreath No, I didn't say life on earth was pointless. Please read what's written. IF THERE IS NO GOD LIFE IS POINTLESS. That is my point, Cliff's point, and the atheist philosopher he's quoting.

and my point is to athiests there is no GOD but they dont go around killing themselves because life is pointless infact there lives have very much meaning and they arnt afraid to learn and get the best out of life .to be indoctinated to the point where you cant even make your own decisions is pointless and fake to be a slave of eternal punishment and fear is a pointless life .for some one who just believes they die get buried and thats it there is no problem about weather life needs a GOD.maybe im missing your point but i dont see how else to see it.

+phil cowbreath If there is no God life ultimately has no purpose. You can assign purpose to your life but that's imaginary and delusional. It's not true meaning because it's arbitrary. If there is no God then we are a bunch of accidents and accidents have no meaning.