Exactly! Let's see her dance on the Lord's day!!! 😐

It was so cringy too

@@bravesheep4688 seriously, so difficult to watch 😑

I’m cringing a little as I’m near her age at 31. But I think I’m glad I have gotten older and learned how little I know. She is still at the age she KNOWS HER TRUTH

She is just impatient.

Very true.

@@drew2fast489 relax bro 😂

So knowledgeable. It blows my mind.

@@brosephgilmore8418 I commented on the wrong threat😂

@Paul Rizzo...... Patience itself is a fruit of the spirit...all born again Christians have it because the holy spirit lives in us.

@Paul Wieringa no.

@Paul Wieringa again no. AI have had those discussions for 20 years. I have studdied these tinelines and topics, questions many times. I wish to ask an honest Q., in the past I had great anger once torwards God for wrong reasons, have you ever believed and now doubt and hate or have you always thought this way?

@Paul Wieringa I will gladly answer you, but can you answer the q I asked you?

@Paul Wieringa okay, I will jump your hoops. No, there are no inconsistencies in The Bible, as for how I know, there must be a creator above all creation. There had to be a super natural force when actually nothing material existed. Time, space and matter are what Gid is outside of but in charge of. There is also other evidence you wish not to honnor or acknowledge. That is good for now, there is more, but now please answer my Q.

CORRECT!

And didn't even understand that cliff didnt even include Jesus's resurrection in them the kid just repeated "oh bc we found a pool that means Jesus rose from the dead" how many times did cliff say that resurrection had nothing to do with that. Stupid or just playing stupid

And he smirks as if he’s intellectually conquering Cliff😂

The constantly ignoring the 3 others tests was the most annoying part. Spider man would fail the tests but he seems to think they would pass but strictly based on the historical evidence that New York was a real city. Like man, please actually listen.

They don't want to listen they don't want it to be true. They will find out when it's too late.

A degradation of a human beings is what she is

Wait til you see the communist kid

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If it were me I'd call her out on her childish behavior and no longer interact with her.

I think it’s proper at times to say at times: “I won’t talk with you anymore if you don’t let me finish what I am saying.”

Privilege if having rich parents I bet.

Mitchell C John 1:1, John 8:58, Jesus is God

Paul Wieringa to say there’s no evidence for Jesus is so ridiculous; atheist scholars like Bart Ehrman would disagree with you.

Paul Wieringa which scholars disagree with him and don’t think Jesus ever existed? Would you point me towards them?

The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them; but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming.

These thpes of people need Gods intervention one way or another in their life, Cliffe can only do so much, they have so much doubt and disbelief in Jesus that no matter how much sense Cliffe made, they couldn’t comprehend certain things that would otherwise make sense to people that know the truth of Jesus

That's what happens when kids start to be dumbed down from grade school on and these kids are just at the right age when this has started to happen the last fifteen years especially and even before but it's supposed to last 15 the schools have a greatly reduced curriculum or changed how they approach it including reasoning critical thinking Etc and they don't want kids to think for themselves anymore in a reasonable way they want to tell them what and how to think I don't want kids raised to believe they can know how to think for themselves to bully their parents for example but they should be taught on how to think correctly for themselves to reason criteria out to reason evidence out and so forth and the other presented as fact.

@Paul Wieringa you forgot again, I am legally blind, a typing error does not mean dumbed down. Your true hatred evident, I was kind to you, goodbye.

Folks will question and doubt but never assiduously seek the truth for themselves.

@Paul Wieringa To each their own

@Paul Wieringa Where is the evidence for your claim? There is more proof that he lived and was crucified than not

I live my life knowing that he lives now. I’ve got a great testimony to share on the Lords grace and mercy.

@Paul Wieringa Just all of the historical manuscripts and eye witnesses. Paul and many other apostles of Christ were recorded to be real by Roman documents on people at that time.

@Paul Wieringa If you don’t want to believe the gospel that’s fine, you have every right to.

No, you have it backwards. If spiderman referred to New York could we assume that such a city exists. THAT'S how it works. It was how Troy was discovered.

@@1961casey Incorrect, the argument the kids were posing was exactly that, Spider-Man has never been described as a real living person therefore it’s nonsensical to say if NY was uncovered, and they found a comic book, no one in their right mind would think Spider-Man was a real living person. Only someone with a miss apprehension of reality would make a comparison between fiction and nonfiction as if they are one and the same.

@@aureliotheredeemed7566 But on the other hand we have thousands of fictional characters that refer to New York city, most of them not directly related to each other. A historian, 500 years from now, could read about this city from mythical books and would have to ask if such a city actually existed. IF a spiderman comic book was among those documents would it not lend even more credibility to the existence of New York even though the character was obviously fictional or mythical? Homer's Illiad was full of mythical references and yet it gave archeologists cause to wonder if the city of Troy actually existed. From this wondering, came actual research which lead to the discovery of the actual city of Troy. And some of that research included interviewing local residents about local lore and stories of the area, which in turn is not necessarily reliable, but still aided in their search.

@@1961casey 1. A fictional character referring to a city doesn’t make the city fictional. 2. Not everything in fictional literature is fictional, the characters can be fictional, there behavior and appearance can be exaggerated but that doesn’t necessarily make their involvement fictional

@@aureliotheredeemed7566 Thank you. Your point is well defined.

He has a few videos where he begins with his opening statements, then open up the floor to anyone who'd like to speak.

@@DonnaW71 I must have missed those

Am looking for those now because I've also wondered haha

Most of his videos are on college campuses and they have a designated area for this, so that’s where he goes and there’s normally always people there ready to discuss any topic.

Whey

@Paul Wieringa yet you're the one that's calling names and is angry period as a Christian I truly do feel sad for people like you and I pray that one day you two will see the light amen because if you're going to be going on you're on morality and you don't even know who these people are and you're going to cut them down like that how moral is that? Where do you even get your morals from?

@Paul Wieringa troll

@Paul Wieringa no I very rarely use that word and I'm specific when I do a trolls anyone who really does not have a purpose for being at a particular site but doesn't just to cause Division and strife if their questions are sincere and they're truly seeking real answers then I would never call someone that and trust me I spent two years or more speaking to someone in the same way with an atheist. And you sir are not searching if you really wanted to be a Christian site search for answers you wouldn't talk and act the way you do and no you do not have the right answers.

@Paul Wieringa i guess George Washington did not exist then, as no witnesses are alive and History written down about him can not count, so I guess George never was.

@Paul Wieringa I am sticking to the subject your premise or at least part of it of why you say Jesus Christ is not proven to be real or had existed is because the writers or the writings of people were forgeries Etc well will you alive when George Washington was supposedly alive and president were you alive when they wrote about him or you alive when we had the Revolutionary War excetera no you weren't you have to base your knowledge of our history based on written material not even eyewitnesses anymore because they're not alive to testify you can only go by what is written what is known for the past wow it's the same with all the Scrolls that we have from those days for Jesus the same as when we had the manuscript I have written down it I witness testimony the same with historical archaeological fact of the things that we have found that involved the disciples the apostles Jesus Etc to prove that these people existed. And again if you can't handle those facts if you can't actually be at a Christian site really discussing truth then you shouldn't be here.

I think the only reason he was there was to push Cliffe's buttons. Notice the continuous smirk he is wearing. Also notice he would say: "So you are saying...". I also think he was trying to put words in Cliffe's mouth. How Cliffe maintained his composure is beyond me.

Belief is fickle. Knowledge allows a relationship to begin and the New Testament gives that to you. 👍🏽

@@jcdefeats Are you claiming belief in God IS simply reading the Bible?

Hahahah. patience is good.

Love for his neighbor and treating them as you would want them to treat you. Jesus talked about it on Mount of Olives

The difference is that no one would willingly die for their belief in Spiderman. Christians have been sawn in half, fed to lions, burned at the stake, drawn and quartered, mutilated, and all other manner of horrible things because of their faith in Christ.

@@osmosis321 From your own experience, have you ever heard of someone being willingly killed for their belief in Spiderman being real? No, and no one else has either. Look at the history recorded by Romans. salemcc.instructure.com/courses/451/pages/accounts-of-roman-persecution-of-the-christians

@@douglasmcnay644 osmosis is like bonnie/Tom on here, he or she is trolling.

@@osmosis321 i am waiting.

@@osmosis321 your judgement of me proves your judgement on yourself. You are at a Christian site not searching truth, but attacking God, so either participate correctly or you leave.

Yet they believe in other miracles like the big bang and abiogenesis, they just have a problem with miracles in the Bible.

@Paul Wieringa what do you mean by "miracles"?

@@benjy288 i know right

@Paul Wieringa can science prove everything?

@Paul Wieringa seeing as how science can't prove everything then we must also look into other places for knowledge correct? We have history, testimony, our own personal experiences to tend with there is so much more to this world then solely science. Yes science is a big part of it but not everything can rely upon science so to science miracles don't happen is only being said out of willful ignorant when one ties down their every bit if understanding solely on science especially knowing that science cant prove everything. This is where the bible comes in as it clearly states don't lean on our own understandings but on Gods which leads us down a path that science cant go.

Hi Joseph, i think we've spoken before, I'm a firm believer that you don't any type of God to work out a moral system of right and wrong. We're more than capable of working out for ourselves a system of morality that is beneficial to us. Our morals are refined and tweaked once we realise what is good for society as a whole. The way we treat others today is much better than people were treated in days gone by , eg, if you were a black person living in the Southern States of the USA 200 years ago, you had virtually no civil rights, and woman living 200 years ago could not vote and were very much 2nd class citizens, both of those moral rights for woman and esp for black people was a hard won battle by civil rights leaders. And today we have civil rights for gay people, only 2 days ago the Pope himself stated that gay people should have civil partnerships, .. fair play to him.

@@bonnie43uk You're right that you don't need God to work out a moral system, it just means that any moral system you work out is subjective and can change with time and society.

@@bonnie43uk You're a firm idiot who refuses to be rational or consistent... and you're a liar. Like/dislike ≠ right and wrong, good and evil, moral or immoral. Beneficial to us" ≠ obligation to act accordingly. And your affirmation of homosexual behaviors is evidence that you are not being... scientific, rational, or consistent. [face-palm] Tom, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU USE THE TERM "morality"? Please, define your term. What do you mean by "rights" and where do such things come from? Where did our founders believe they came from? "Fair play", what is that? Are you seeking to impose some standard on the masses - as if objective moral values and duties do exist - even though YOU say they don't? Bonnie, what do you mean by "should"? Dude, there has never been a time when we didn't have civil rights for gay people... (Are you mislabeling/conflating again?) And are you saying that not granting the same rights to ALL is objectively wrong? It is just impossible for you to be either rational or consistent, isn't it? Tom, you're such a fool and a liar. Do you believe your own pseudo-intellectual, mindless rhetoric - or do you just troll for you're own personal amusement? Have you been able to dupe yourself? Have you repeated your own lies to yourself so often that you've brainwashed yourself into believing them - despite having your hand held by so many for over a decade and explaining to you that fallacious nature of your "arguments"?

@@benjy288 No he isn't. He's talking about pragmatism, not morality. And any such system assumes that there is a standard and that human life ought to be protected, not just that humans prefer it.

@@jessebryant9233 Morality is basically a system of rules that allow us as human beings to live in relative peace. We are all grounded in these rules from the moment we're able to comprehend what our parents teach us from a very early age Jesse, I'm sure you realized that when your mom said to you sternly "Noooo" as a baby that you were doing something you shouldn't do.. eg, put a bug in your mouth, or touch a hot plate ...those types of things would be detrimental to you, and your mom doesn't want you to do things that would harm you. It's a very gradual process that goes on well into adulthood. Can we not agree on that?

Even though I agree with you Cliff actually is very good at that and does his best very much to carry a conversation he does not try to beat anyone down but he just make errors and mistakes like we all do I've even mention some of them in the past just as I've made them we all do so even though you're technically right you're actually wrong because really if you've listened to a lot of his videos he will see he's very compassionate very passionate very good about equaling the conversation he just won't be bullied Etc

@@godislove363 I know Cliffe does & doesn't. I have watched almost all his videos. There are 2 sides there. 1) Cliffe is compassionate, yes. He doesn't leave the script often though. People will say something, & it is hard to respond on the fly, so he defaults to a canned answer. He doesn't often recover from that though & follows out the tract. To an extent he has to do that & to an extent he needs to be more flexible. If you fail to address the issue, you failed to reach for them. Cliffe is great, but sometimes he misses obvious claims. The other person feels you didn't hear them when you don't address what they asked directly in some way. Even contradiction & defiance will show you heard. 2) The kids are often just looking for a way to shut him down. They don't listen & are so sure they are right, that they just rapid fire pile objections & ignore the answers. They aren't hearing Cliffe & it shows. That is far more often what goes on than Cliffe misses a beat. Both sides show that they aren't interested in hearing the other though. Hearing isn't agreement or disagreeing or kind or loving, it is just taking the person at what they are. Your response should be loving & understanding, but it must address what they asked. Cliffe loves these kids, no doubt, but I don't think he always understands them. It isn't a knock on his style or ability, just a weakness. I was an atheist, I get it. It is far to common to have a disconnect in these kind of dialogues. You are trying to reach them & they just want to bear grievances. Hear them. This wasn't Cliffe's finest hour. I am no better, but it is what it is. You try, sometimes you fail, sometimes you succeed. Cliffe has no easy road ahead of him. I am glad he does it though. Cliffe is doing a fine job & I hope he keeps it up. Debate isn't his strong suit though.

@@mackdmara i agree on that account your essay stated. We all have strengths and weaknesses. Some of mine are his. God has been correcting me well. I commend you on your thoughtful intake. As for Cliffe, I think he can be robotic as he is used to their responses, it can be hard to break a pattern, just as ut is hard for kids today many times brainwashed not to think for themselves that they can not folliw critical thought and spit out info as Cliffe does, so they miss each other at times.

Exactly right good job and in fact in Sodom and Gomorrah they still found so far balls that were still warm and you could still like them and they catch on fire after all these years.

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Yeah super cringy

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I wouldn't even say that's the conclusion. They are beside themselves trying to make their point to a stranger. Under normal circumstances, we are more introspective and consistent with the need to be socially viable. But when the spirit of rebellion enters in, the ego trips I was at UCLA and my brother was trying to find seating for the football game. I told him while he's doing that I would go tour around the campus since the line was pretty serious. Eventually I ended up waiting for him by the stadium exit and there was a man standing near off with a God loves you sign Eventually the game ended and rowdy students began pouring out onto the steps. At least 8 groups scoffed at the man, who was simply standing there. The best I could describe it was like watching people test the British royal guard to see whether they would break Eventually two students got in his face and started throttling him. The other people I could manage, but the moment they put hands on the man, I wrestled one of them to the ground. It was absolutely bizarre because typically that sort of event turns into a fight, considering the sheer volume of the crowd, surely the people would rise up against me Watching that kid get up, it was like he forgot where he was as he scrambled away. None of his friends stepped up to challenge me. They just moved on, falling back in line to the exit. The takeaway is that the people forget themselves in the moment To me it's no different than when the crowd rose up to have Barabas freed. Something in the heart of rebellious man feels tremendous pressure to act and maintain his position thereafter. I suppose they feel called out and on the other side, are really at the forefront of their sin. You are the culmination of your genes after all and no one wants to be exposed forthwith

Yes, that was Ron Wyatt.

​@@jhn146Ron is a fraud.