but then what? the battle at the end of the season would be absurdly easy and anticlimactic. so by this army existing at all, theyve written themselves into a corner.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 If any of this has a relation to the source material, Sansa will actually be bringing the Vale army from the Vale, rather than hanging around with Jon and fretting about whether to accept an offer of help.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 I don’t think so. If Ramsey got wind that the vale’s army was joining Jon he would have never left Winterfell. Jon would have to surround the castle and somehow breach the walls with archers picking them off one by one. It would have been interesting for sure but I like to think Sansa knew that which is why she kept it from Jon since she’s so woke and smart now 😂. I’m giving dumb and dumber too much credit at this point

@@TheValk777 exactly. ambushing the boltons was their only chance. otherwise theyd be stuck in a costly and long siege as winter approaches.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Well under normal circumstances you can't ambush with an army, people will tell you way before they make it to you, either by Raven or at least a scout. You have to completly forget how this works and has worked in Westeros before to make a whole army ambushing WF possible.

I dIdNt KnOw

i don't think thats why he kept edmure around, he needed him basicaly as a breeding stock so he would get grandchildren that could claim the riverlands as a whole

@@tommerker8063 not really Edmure was the rightfull lord of Riverrun and his descendents would be Tullys, not Freys, the mere existence of his bloodline was a threat to the Frey claim to Riverrun. The grandchildren would always be Tullys, not Freys. Walder Frey had already commited so many disposable actions that he didn't want to add kinslaying as other reason for being hated. Tywin wouldn't openly kill Tyrion because of how frowned upon kinslaying was.

@@masterplokoon8803 true, but walder could still take a lot of influence over the child and while he might not be in direct control having his grandson be the lord of riverrun is just a plus. a tully raised as a frey is very much in his interest and for sure killing his father would forever make the child hate him. also i don't think frey even had the chance to kill edmure, they took him to the siege of riverrun adn afterwards jaime send him to casterly rock

@@masterplokoon8803 Edmure and his potential kids by Ros are the Frey claim to RIverrun, afaik. I feel like Walder fully intended to have Edmure killed after he'd fathered a son on Ros

@@pallasathena2228 they would be Tullys, not Freys, eventually they would honour their Tully heritage above the Freys, since the Freys cannot even hold the Riverlands by themselves. And Edmure fathered a kid and Walder Frey didn't kill him.

They kinda forgot…

I didn't know the river Lethe runs through Westeros

I like the idea that ppl are just not tellibg him on purpose

It would have been great if they used it as a way of introducing Howland Reed and that he is killing all of the scouts that see them. But whatever. Screen writting is so hard.

"I don't like them putting chemicals in the water. They turn the freaking Boltons stupid!"

Heck, even most of season 5 fits that bill

5 included

Season 5

A box set that would collect dust at a thrift shop that looks like it could be closed any week now

Davos’ mission to White Harbour then Skagos, Victarion in Meereen, Quentyn Martell, Arianne Martell, Crow’s Eye Euron raiding the Reach, Lady Stoneheart, Jaime in the Riverlands should have all happened in Season 5

Just as planed

"I spent my days as a ruler spreading the rumors that previous king was murdered, by myself. Everybody refused to believe that and said that me, the king, is full of shit!"

something else that really annoys me about it is that black clothing has a lot of significance- it’s supposed to either indicate your house or if you’re in mourning. but when every single bloody character is wearing black none of that has any significance. mourning clothes are supposed to be important

agreed

@@lucymariposa I dunno about house, but considering that joining the Night's Watch is literally called 'taking the black' I feel maybe most people who ARENT part of that organisation would avoid black? Okay, maybe the Ironborn dgaf, but when did Cersei's favorite color change from red/gold to black?

@acooknamed_Rishi lol yeah I tacked on that point about anachronistic designs at the end because of her "goth sparkly queen dress" from season 7/8

@@minnumseerrund The only thing I liked about some of Cersei's later customes is that they used the same fabric as for Tywin's (black with the hole patterns)

his mistake was trusting that Stannis would be able to take care of the Boltons for him. which he didnt.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 That would still require Sansa already getting married to Ramsay and her not being a maiden anymore, which is kind of a big deal. Then again they made jokes about Brienne in season 8, so I guess they forgot about that too.

In addition, this house also betrayed his family and killed her brother and wife in the most terrible way. Littlefinger seems he kind of forgot about this very important information. Btw Ramsay Bolton's atrocities is known by a lot of lords in the North. Littlefinger also in the book, is most knowledgeable man about lords in Westeros. It is impossible that he didn't hear Ramsay's reputation.

He knows that it won’t go down well. He thinks this is his way to getting closer to his goal of more power. Is this whole comment thread joking? Of course he knew he just doesn’t care.

​@@lobsters12111 How can sending Sansa to Boltons will help Littlefinger to gain more power. He sold key of the North (Sansa was last member of Starks except Bran and Rickon, thus his husband will be protector of the North) for only some golds to Boltons whose power in the North is temporary. Until season 5, Littlefinger gained firstly Harrenhal and then Vale by killing Lysa Tully, now He can gain North by marrying Sansa in 3 years. Protector of North and Vale would be stronger candidate to Throne than Cersei on the King's Landing who has only House Lannister support. I really don't understand what Littlefinger gained from selling Sansa to Boltons.

What is this jetpack joke??

@@shaftomite007 in later seasons, characters seemed to teleport from one place in Westeros to another, crossing impossible distances, due to iffy editing, or lazy writing. So Glumbosaurus Rex started keeping track of which characters were moving around the continent so fast, they must have had a “jetpack”.

I laughed out loud. It’s so true though.✨🤣

Alright calm down Daniel Greene.

I had to watch 9:28 forward a few times to realize what happened, the freeze frame and zoom is too good.

HAHAHAHA ISN'T IT THO?? my bf and i died laughing

Look out Gordon Ramsay

“The Climb” referring to the Chaos Ladder

truly one of the moments in TV history

That's part of why the show's version of Westeros felt like it got smaller and simpler and less populated as it went along. That and the ridiculous fast travel and also Cersei conveniently murdering a bunch of secondary characters with no consequences ofc

The show clearly only thinks there are four houses, which is why despite not being relevant for almost the entire plot the Baratheons get 4th billing on the logo instead of being swapped for a house with living members like the Tyrells, Martells, Freys, Greyjoys, or Boltons each season. There are 3 houses: ice boys, fire girls and villains.

Thanks for posting that; I’ve never encountered the expression “ broke immersion for me” and I’ve been trying to describe it, because it became such a common event in watching GoT. One of the worst ‘broke immersion’ moments for me was seeing Dany’s hand reaching a final time for the Iron Throne and everything being ‘broken’ by her perfectly American-style polished and manicured fingernails. I wonder if many men noticed her anachronistic nails, but I’ll bet a lot of other women did.

I agree! My husband never read the books and still hasn't but he asked what a Kingsmoot was so we paused the show and I carefully explained everything that was about to go down. I told him about the offerings and the great lords and the kings on their ships. Fuck, we took a break to have dinner before we resumed the show. None of that happened. First, he couldn't figure out why the Kraken was everywhere even though there were only 3 of them. Then he got real confused when they said the Ironborn never made their mark. Me explaining the Ironborn and Harrenhal and their complete dominion over the sea had my husband so hooked, he almost read the books.

@@LordMangudai Exactly, the line about the Reach being empty in Season 8, just because the Tyrells had been defeated? What about the Hightowers, Oakhearts, Rowans, Peakes, Redwynes, Mullendores, Merryweathers

To add to this, unlike the Starks, no one ever deserted the Boltons even in their most desperate hour. That kind of undying loyalty has to come from their stellar and fair management of their lands and vassals.

Actually, in the books (and possibly in the show too I can’t recall) the north remained incredibly safe under the Starks, even during the war of the five kings until the ironborn invaded, it’s just really easy to keep the north in line due to their adherence to the old ways and the north’s general sense of honour

@@ApathytheAlienTongue it might be more risky to be a bandit in the vast cold barren North than in the south. Not to mention the Wildlings are probably going to outcompete you unless you join them.

@@ApathytheAlienTongue i don't think he meant it as there is no crime in the north, but rather that deserters (wich are mostly why the south is so unsafe during the war) were not as common, since there were no large scale battles north of the neck. also putting up guards is not something extremely special, even during peace times caravans and travelers would set up guards during the night. it's just common sense realy

@@tommerker8063 but that has nothing to do with their 'old ways' and 'sense of honor' and still all just due to geography

Well, Willas isn't because it's not confirmed for the show incarnation, but Walder-Hodor from the books is.

@@KingLofiOne It'd be great if Dunk cucked some Lord Tyrell at some point

Willis is a lot smarter than Brienne

It isn't confirmed that Hodor/Willas is his descendant, right? It's fan speculation based on one of Bran's visions.

@@nealfirstofhisname there's the visions and there's the fact that Dunk visited Winterfell for a period some 80 years ago

*FATALITY!* That was fucking brutal 🤣

All the Emilia clarke cant act jokes feel a bit tasteless now that we know about her health issues to be honest

​@@herbertschulz4313 What health issues?

@@1994mrmysteryman she suffered an aneurism I believe? Somewhere between seasons 1 and 2. Then she had one again sometime later So that affected her performance while she recovered Then the writers saw it and apparently thought the emotionless character looked cool, so they had her play that way from then on a lot of her worst scenes she was specially instructed to appear unphased

Oh my god yesss, star wars!! that's what the GOT costumes in later seasons reminded me of. I kept thinking these costumes belong in another franchise, but couldn't quite put my finger on which one it was!

Nobody says S6 was a masterpiece

@@fox2569 Glidus bring that up sarcastically, but was there ever anyone that considered it the best season, let alone amasterpiece? I lost interest in season 5 and by the glimpses of S6 I was getting, i knew everything went to shit. S7 confirmed it, and S8... Took it to new levels.

I never liked the outfits from season 5 onwards, nothing about them screamed "Game of Thrones". The first 4 seasons had costumes reminiscent of actual medieval fashion with a GOT twist (which made them much better, because medieval clothes weren't that pretty). But from season 5 onwards nothing looked "medieval", except maybe the men's clothes because they all lowkey dressed the same. Daenerys' season 8 outfits were pretty but far too Star Wars-y like you said. Rhaenyra's outfit in episode 10 is the perfect example of how a queen would be dressed for a war council meeting in a GOT setting, none of Dany or Sansa's outfits gave me that impression.

D&D turned their show into Star Wars because they couldn't be bothered with doing it properly anymore because they had an offer to write Star Wars, and because they turned their show into Star Wars nobody liked their show anymore and the deal to write Star Wars fell through, and the whole reason they were offered it in the first place is because it seemed that the current writers of Star Wars couldn't be bothered with doing it properly, and maybe D&D could. In the words of George Lucas: "It's like poetry, it rhymes".

thats Dumb & Dumber consistecy for ya!

@@sudanemamimikiki1527 though he was accused

@@sudanemamimikiki1527 would have made so much more sense that way

@@sudanemamimikiki1527 i think loved is the wrong word though, more like respected and feared

@@sudanemamimikiki1527 having since read the books, the kingsmoot scene in this episode PALES in comparison to the one in AFFC. they already had a great scene written and they fucked it up for... reasons. if they needed to streamline it they could have cut some of the other claimants but why not just have euron bring a load of loot as he does in the book? 'men pray when they see my sails. why aeron, i am the godliest man to ever raise sail!' is such a good line and would help explain why the ironborn fall behind him, and yet there's NOTHING

I for one am happy that his highness Gylbert Farwynd, first of his name and true king of the Iron Isles, has taken all of the abandonend plotlines and brought them beyond the Sunset Sea to the mystical land whithout bad writing where death holds no sway. All the forgotten characters, like Jhiqui, Kinvara, Quaithe or Littlefinger's brain are now living as kings and queens in their own right. Itisknown.

@@brotlowskyrgseg1018 it is known.

Also makes me think she didn’t really have a reason to hate Stannis it was a war

@@jackj9816 He killed Renly, the person she was sworn to protect as a member of his Kingsguard with a shadow baby, thus committing both kin and kingslaying in one act

@@starlight0313 Yes but renly was committing treason

It was only treason the moment Renly stopped breathing. Up until that Renly was in open rebellion against his brother and looked like he was going to take out Stannis and his supporters then sack Kings Landing. Stannis is the righful king, but had yet to take his throne. Renly was still also a King crowned and coordinated, and killing him in cold blood was treason by Stannis also. There's probably some serious nuance I'm glossing over, but I'm from the USA and all this monarchy shit is above my expertise.

@@Guinnessdrnkr1234 none of them are the true king. It’s made up and usually goes to the person who has flying Molotov lizards.

Same with Summer. Could have run away. His death bought one extra second tops

This was the first episode I remember thinking this is kinda dumb. It was when the wights were sprinting across the ceiling of that cave, when usually they just shuffle along the ground at a more or less human speed.

Cuz she’s used him as a human shield 🤦🏿‍♀️

@@kkandsims4612 based

@@kkandsims4612 And his armor is made of Play-Do

The entire purpose is to show how “sMaRT” Sansa was. Even though everything she did killed Rickon (in case you forgot, he’s Sansa real brother) and benefitted noone but Littlefinger alone.

​​@@nont18411 nope. the entire purpose was to have the cool last minute cavalry charge. everything else was a side effect. (also how did she kill Rickon? Ramsay would've killed him anyway...)

yeah that would've been a better comparison than the rick and morty episode

As if GRRM will actually finish a book...

good point but it's pretty telling if the biggest compliment you can give a piece of media is "well at least they didn't spoil the story we actually wanted"

Winds of Winter never ever

@@Glidus you say that, but spoil also means "ruin" and I've found myself doing significantly less rereads since they killed Baristan. That could also be the apathy developed from a 10+ year wait (because him announcing he's finished is still 6-9months before release) for a book that's been "almost done" for 8 years.

D&D: we’re gonna write these seasons so bad that people will appreciate the books GRRM is definitely gonna finish HBO: Oh, we were expecting you guys to at least try to maintain the same writing quality D&D: You see, the best thing about expectations is…

Shelled out? Yeah it's called being able to afford it.

@@markcrowe1938 I didn't mean it as an insult. At the time I was a student who could barely afford meat with my ramen, so anything was shelling out.

😂😂😂😭 ok I like yours even better

Hoe door!

I mean, callbacks to previous seasons seems to be the one type of symbolism that they know how to use.

@@benl2140 Use, and overuse. Pile up all the references to older seasons in seasons 7 and 8 and you might think *all* D&D can come up with is recycled content. It's like they're telling us straight to our face "Hey guys, remember when the show was good? So do we. So do we." It's cheap, pathetic and lame.

You mean season 7?

Dany wearing black is fine- black and red are the colors of house Targaryan, and I can even see Jon either not caring or better yet, being pragmatic because all his warm clothes are currently black and winter _is_ coming (would he have had time to go shopping?) but _Cersei?_ Cersei, who wears her connection to house Lannister like the highest honor in the world, _not_ flaunting the red and gold of her house? Especially after all the effort the show USED TO go through to integrate house colors and heraldry? Fuck off with that noise. You can tell D&D had Star Wars on the mind...

​@@Silburific the only possible excuse I can think of is that Cersei was supposed to be mourning her son but yeah they really should've added more variety to the costume design and colors

BIG KOK

Do you own an aircraft carrier?

brillant

High in the halls of the kings who are gone...

So what was the dagger that the snakes used to kill the abnormally large man in a second with a single stab to the shoulder?

@@psych0536 this is big brain actually. I see what D and D were up too now.

Death/ressurection was more than a minor inconvenience for Beric. He lost a lot of his identity and memories. He was a fire wight. His existence was defined by his duty to a dead king - he is more of an echo of his former self as opposed to being Beric. Whereas Jon comes back and is just grumpy wumpy and wants a holiday in dorne

@@jherm123 agree with that

@@jherm123 my theory is that since Jon was resurrected only once, it took him about 3 seasons to slowly get to "I don't want it"

@@anaghabaheti It could be that Jon has multiple magics working on him. Unfortunately I don't think it is mentioned in the show but time and time again in the books it is mentioned that the magic in the wall preserves things splendidly. Add in Jon's warg abilities along with possible dragon dreams and you have multiple forms of magic to make him better than Beric. Of course D&D would need to set this shit up which they refused to do so... Whatevs

@@abrashio strictly show based observation. I am sure the book won't be an incoherent mess driven by fan theories and plot armour

Why bother selling Sansa off in the first place if you're just going to take Winterfell anyways? Assuming she isn't killed by Ramsay, she's going to hate Petyr for it anyways.

@@Aredel apparently because he knows sweet FA about Ramsey other than he's a legitimized Bastard. Then again I don't see why he doesn't just Rebel against the Crown and take Winterfell anyway if the Bolton's win. I mean a lot of his efforts have crippled the Crown Militarily.

@@vincegalila7211 I refuse to believe Petyr doesn’t have any spies in the North capable of gathering any information on Ramsay.

@@Aredel would he even need spy's? Wouldn't rumors spread about a serial killer bastard lordling?

@@vincegalila7211 because unlike many a monkey brain in Westeros, Petyr doesn’t act on pure rumor and speculation. He gathers concrete information before planning his next move.

I will never truly move on The second the last seasons are brought up I cannot hold back my long long long complaints. The fans remember.

F.

F. Big F.

I still wanna know why Ned heard Brans voice in the tower of joy scene. What was all that about? It implied that Bran could manipulate time and space prompting a thousand theories but it never came up again...

*F*

This is why people have to stop giving writers credit for "creating mystery". Any idiot can not explain what's going on, it only becomes a mystery after you explain it.

That feels more like a Doran Martell plot. Overly complicated, too many moving parts and points of potential failure. Littlefinger was always more about creating conflict and chaos, then improvising to exploit the opportunities that arise for him.

But what if Stannis takes Winterfell? I’ve never understood that part. No deal with him about being Warden of the North. And maybe Cersei wants Sansa alive. Isn’t she still technically married to a Lannister? He IS a kinslaying Lannister, of course. But if the marriage is valid, then doesn’t that make a Lannister lord of Winterfell? Does Tyrion factor into all of this? Anyway, let’s say that the point is for Petyr to look like an ally/hero by getting the Boltons out of Winterfell-even though (mua ha ha) the only reason the Boltons are truly *in* Winterfell with their claim to the North solidified with a marriage to Sansa is because of Littlefinger in the first place. How would that scenario play out if Petyr actually thinks Stannis is going to be the one to chuck the Boltons out? If Stannis succeeds, why does Petyr think that anyone (Tyrells, Tommen, Cersei, whoever) would honor his “deal”? He didn’t reclaim Winterfell, and now Stannis (their enemy) is more powerful/the one needing to be chucked out. Chaos may be a ladder, but…I guess I’d buy that element more if he were setting up *others’* fates to depend on what shakes out in Winterfell-not his own. I suppose I am assuming he actually does want to marry Sansa-but I guess if we’re going by what he *does* rather than what he *says* (since he lies all the time), then, according to the show, he really doesn’t want to marry her…? Of course, we know in the books that Petyr did NOT hand Sansa over to the Boltons, which suggests that he *is* aware of how insane Ramsay is and he *is* holding on to Sansa for some other purpose. And book or no book, seasons 1-4 Petyr would do his research. No question. So I think we’re left to assume in show-world that Petyr was fully aware that Ramsay was a monster and thus is Sansa’s enemy, maybe trying to pull some Freudian-ish revenge on Catelyn by making Sansa suffer. But that doesn’t add up. Or at least go anywhere. Which you’d think it would, as kind of a big deal in Petyr’s character arc. I don’t know. None of it ultimately makes any sense to me-unless we assume that the show just conveniently made Petyr dumber to justify the Sansa-Ramsay marriage. Which is what I think happened.

​@@bethperforms6191 would taking Winterfell from a depleted army led by Stannis be much different than taking Winterfell from a depleted army led by Roose Bolton?

He was thrown into the AmNeSiA water.

and yeah I rly like Petyr as a character, he is smart and interesing so given a chance to rant about what they did to him... let's just say I rarely pass on it. Ty for all who read my rant.

There are reasons why Breaking Bad is still praised as the best show of all time while GoT got thrashed to shits. 1. The showrunners of BB had passion and planned the ending *right before* they started shooting the pilot. And once the fans started guessing the ending correctly, Vince didn’t change it for the sake of subverting expectations. 2. BB (and BCS) are the show of smart characters outsmarting each other. When certain smart characters died, they died in a very believable way. Meanwhile, in GoT, the once smart characters turned into the dumbest one whenever the plot demands it. 3. The plot armor in BB had a great setup and suits the circumstance. For example, (Spoilers alert) Hank survived the shootout in season 3 because his enemy is known to into theatrics so they didn’t finish him instantly. They tried to kill him in the fanciest way possible. That’s how Hank used that to his advantage. In GoT, the plot armor is inconsistent. Red Wedding and Ned’s execution are the best case of realistic writing and then we got “the Long Night” that cut the scenes every time the main characters were in danger, then once it cuts back, they were fine. And there’s no character who has a thinker plot armor than Arya Stark and all those bullshits happened because D&D were fond of Maisie Williams and “strong female character” agenda so they made her survived everything that used to kill other characters (for example, Arya can get shanked and swam in a dirty water and she could be just fine while Talisa Stark got shanked and died or Khal Drogo died because of the infected wound despite the wound was far smaller than Arya’s’) and stole a meaningful payoff from Jon. 4. Speaking of female characters. Even though Skyler is one of the most hated characters in BB franchise, she is the real strong female character. She has deep flaws and insecurities but the reason she’s strong because she is a well-written character. They are many moments that she is annoying but once we reached BB season 5, we just feel sorry for her because we understand her motive and how she wants to protect her family from Walt. Vince Gilligan made Skyler be able to stand on her own without bringing her surrounding characters down to make her smarter. And there’s Kim Wexler. She is one of the best female lead of every TV show and even in a scene that the show needs to bring another character down to make her seem smarter, the show did it in a very believable way. (Spoiler alert for BCS) Saul Goodman is known to be an extremely smart lawyer who can talk himself out of any situation but in penultimate episode of season 5, he couldn’t talk himself out of the dangerous situation because he witnessed a cartel shootout and had a PTSD so he was frozen when a cartel leader walked into his home so Kim had to stand up and talk the situation out herself. GoT, however, never gave a believable reason to dumb the other characters down to prop up “strong female characters” like Sansa and Arya so it ruined the experience of the show completely. Tyrion became stupid. Jon got to do nothing and Dany went mad in order to make Sansa and Arya the smarter and more moral heroes. 5. The character development. BB spent 5 seasons in turning Walter White from a kind cancer patient into an evil megalomaniacal meth kingpin. Whenever he did evil things in the final season, it never seems out of character because the show took time for his growth. Daenerys, on the other hand, went from an altruistic hero into a psychopath in the range of just 2 episodes. D&D kept making an excuse that “it was setup since season 1 when Viserys died” except that Dany spent years after that NOT to be like her own mad father and brother and she was sane during the Long Night. And Jaime Lannister, his entire development was ruined by a single dialogue about how he didn’t give a shit about innocent civilians. GoT really did these amazing characters dirty. Glad that Tywin and Robb died when the show used to have a great writing.

HAHAHAHA FCKN SAME THO. frictionless.

it's among my favourite jokes i've made

Dude aren't you supposed to be fighting big mom atm?

I can only imagine how weird that must be hahahaha All the wacky shit hasn’t made you curious enough to go watch it??