Aero, on a non windy day they tied but on a windy normal every day aero will win easily, cause aero bike is faster not only going fast but against head winds. That being said if you ride out of the saddle like Andrew, aero bike kind lose its purpose, is not suitable for his style.

He looks so much more comfortable on the lite. Maybe it depends on the person?

At my age and power, and the type of riding I do (e.g. not racing), a more lightweight and "endurance" style bike probably makes most sense. But I just love how aero bikes _look_. Neeeeeeeoooooowwwwww!

Personally a lightweight bike with aero wheels. A good compromise between outright speed and feeling lively.

Same starting speed Same watts Same position No body in the front No cars And you'll be able to take conclusions

Like a machine going past !

You were doing well too but zoom goes the feather past you. Inspiring isn't it. Good work mate.

Same mate, I love hills but am not fast on them, so when I see someone flying past me I just have to go "wow!" and appreciate the talent and fitness some riders possess. Then it's back to me gasping for breath and questioning my life choices 😀

I'd be stoked having GCN roll up and past on any ride so fair play to you my dude

Where I ride up hills, the fastest riders are 2x faster than me but I still love riding up hills.

Yes the aero bike saving as a % of his body drag is going to be small

Good point. He did say he tried to get as aero as possible on the flat section though

Exactly. He's not an aero rider, he's always standing.

I came to say the same. When you are out of the saddle you are spending energy swinging the bike side to side, and the heavier it is the more energy you waste. So all other things being equal, if you are riding out of the saddle you will benefit more from a lightweight setup.

@@Frostbiker, interesting observation about 'swinging'! No only it takes more energy due to inertia, sideways motion also disturbs the air-flow and cancels the advantage that aero frame provides. These frames are designed to cut through the air not slalom through it.

Pointless test. Told us nothing. I'd expect that a highly trained athlete would be able to do very similar efforts. Just guessing that the lighter bike is faster. Could have done that from the studio.

totally agree...wasted effort, half hearted production

Maybe the meaning is that Orbea wants to sell their new lightweight bike and "asked"($) GCN to make a video about it Maybe not

I don't think anyone believes that a heavier aero bike can go uphill quicker than a much lighter bike, I don't care how many degrees the person telling me that has. Does that calculation take into affect your not in the same riding position doing both and seeing as your the thing creating the most drag and at much slower speeds.

In the name of science, why no power meter????

Gorgeous legs he has.

😂

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Exactly! You can’t trust “feel” over actual power data. By not having a power meter on the lightweight bike, it’s getting an unfair weight advantage too.

We better get our lab coats on! We love to get nerdy 🤓

@@gcn Yes, it would also be nice to not delete comments criticizing your testing methodology... ;)

@GCN should make a line of jerseys in National Championships livery with GCN LOGO’s so obviously not past or current National Champions. It would promote National pride.

It’s the dutch flag (or luxembourg). So would fit other countries aswell 😅

poor guy

Audax club Bristol jersey too. Those guys are no mugs.

Even crazier that that guy is in the comment section, lol

Because what is the point of a light bike if you are adding the weight of a power meter? Then its heavy vs heavy.

@@kidShibuyaa powermeter weights an extra 30g

@@kidShibuya it wasn't an ultimate light weight build bike. Could have easily added a pm. Assiomas on both bikes or something.

@@G-rig6969no, it’s not. More Aero always helps. Check evenpoel during saturdays ride in vuelta. He’s way more aero than his opponent. See the difference in position and body. Crosswinds even can help you push forward , not sure if you posses deep wheels, but if you had, you should have felt it. Biggest aero component is the rider, crosswinds or not. The faster you go the more it has advantage.

@@G-rig6969 moderen aero tip with a rounded rim can create lift at yaw angles where older blade like rims would have created instability. You could speculate a modern profile of 80mm might have the instability issuea of a 40 to 50mm older rim. Be a good test, prob a bit to techy for gcn though.

@@G-rig6969 yeah, thats defo the area of greatest gain.

Picking a bit that suites you and makes you want to ride should be the most important and will more than likley get you faster 🙌

If he sees this video he’ll feel better as it was the Twig going past at speed!

I thought the same , he probably thought ..... I must get an E bike too ........ Such was the speed of the pass

@@lazzaboyman8003 Maybe the same as I do on a stiff climb I do (mostly on foot lol) when a proper mountain biker goes past while I'm lying down resting :)

Probably thought he was going backwards

He quit cycling that day.

They generally are. In the cities it might be a bit more boisterous, but on country lanes generally everyone gets along.

It’s a real mixed bag to be honest, there are good and bad drivers.

In these videos, probably the camera pointing out the back of a motorcycle in front of the cyclist helps a lot.

Car drivers are cnuts everywhere ! Cyclists have the same respect as pedophiles in uk

My family moved to Switzerland a year ago. The Swiss roads are similar to the UK roads in terms of width etc. The Swiss are avid cyclists and I can confirm that the drivers are extremely patient and respectful of us cyclists. The quality of the roads, the scenery and the respectful drivers will be sorely missed when we head back.

I would have been sure the overtaking party was using a e bike haha 😂

He say that, didn’t you stop his national champions jersey, nothing says I am the best more than that!

Hahahah how many people do you think Feather has passed on a climb? 👀

@@gcn on a busy day on alp du huez, 600+

Hahahahah don't temp him 👀

The first part of this statement is absolutely true: because of the lighter weight of the rider: the bikes weight ratio to the rider will be more significant: but this is also aerodynamically true, being smaller for a culmination of reasons provides aerodynamic benefits, this means the exact same situation arises with the bike in aerodynamics (the aerodynamics of the bike is more important for smaller riders) so this pretty much means the bike is more important if you are less of a factor from a weight and aerodynamic standpoint. it does NOT mean weight is more important than aerodynamics for a smaller rider (just that the bikes properties (with weight and aerodynamics) are a higher percentage of that ratio) Hopefully this makes sense :) My conclusion is it will just extremify the circumstances (the aerodynamic bike on a smaller, lighter rider will be substansially more important for the rider in the right situation (flat, windy section) then it would on a taller, more heavy / powerful rider. Visa versa Kind regards

He's pretty fast isn't he 🚀

I feel a deep kinship with the rider Andrew blew past.

Of course he does. If you put flat panels on his bike it’s going to slow him down whether he stands or sits. In the same way an aero bike is still going to cut through air more whether he himself is aero or not.

He almost always standing up while climbing.

Ollie the Aero Police

Hahahaha we always feel like evil geniuses cooking up videos for Andrew 😈

Hi doesn't waste his breath on talking... he keeps it all for the climbs

For some more of Feather, you should check out our 'Everesting' film we made with him on GCN+ 👉 gcn.eu/8848m

... too* short

Feather out there destroying everyones dreams 😂

@@gcnsome say, that man un-clipped, and is still walking up hill ‘til this very day.

I'd vote for Lansdown Lane/Weston hill. 1.58km, Elevation Gain of 164m Avg Grade 10.3%, with a steepest 100m with 17.4% gradient.

Pretty sure Andrew already has the KOM on that 😂

Similarly the 1.3kg difference in bike weights is only around 1.7% of the system weight or around 7watts on that climb.

They're so great for flying up those steep climbs! 🚀

He certainly doesn't hang around 😉

you can watch him race an almost pro Luca Vergallito who is in Alpecin Develpement team (Its a video from some years ago).... It migh be shocking to you but Feather lost. A WT Pro Climber is a lot better than Feather (And in this case someone who is close to becomming a pro but not yet a pro was also better).... for some reason people always want "regular people" to be better than pros..... but there is a reason pros turned pro.... because they are better >-

@@lordad feather’s not really a regular person though is he, just look at his power on strava.

... losing* weight

Seems to us that the moral of the story is just enjoy the bike you are riding 👀

@@gcn the Aero part of Aero Endurance bike is also surprisingly nice, especially with a persistent head wind.

Is this some niche area of marginal gains that we haven't found out about yet?? 😂

@@gcn ... I reckon; The Twig eats strawberry jam sandwiches, and The Twiglet (Dr OB) recommends rice pudding with jam. They both go like trains up hill - time for Si to put the white coat and glasses back on?

It's a lovely little climb isn't it! Or not if it's your last hill before home after a long ride 😂

Ha- yes- I knew it was him. The speed he rode at was ridiculous- brilliant experience to see just how quick the UK’s too hill climber rides at. And no- zero chance of a KOM on that segment as it’s uphill 😂