"It might have killed the wrong Glock" LOL

I only buy pistols from countries that don't refer to potatoes as "dirt apples". Exclusively how I make my financial decisions in general.

Now we need a striker fired handgun tier list video

First thing to do with a PDP is throw in a 15 lbs recoil spring. It's very oversprung from the factory (18-19 lbs) and it adds to the perceived recoil. Going down to a 15 lbs spring noticeably reduces the snappiness without affecting reliability. You don't have to worry about swapping out plunger springs, etc. until you get down to the 12lbs recoil spring. Keep the internals stock, throw in a 15lbs spring, and enjoy. Also for an ALS holster (why Safariland doesn't make them yet I don't know), Ghost Men Designs also modified Safariland ALS holsters for the PDP.

Look at that chiseled jaw line. I bet she uses those jaw strength trainers

Diet Mountain Dew vs. Mountain Dew Zero comparison when

Biggest question for a 'glock killer' _"how much are the MAGS broooooooo"_

This is like a 2008 Nutnfancy review comparing everything to a Glock 17 or 19, lol.

Brand loyalty, and psychology is 99.9999999 percent of buying prowess when comparing similar quality items. Shoot what you like and works for you.

Everything is Glock 17/18 killer when you hate the Glock grip angle...

Yet again "yeah it's okay, but i wouldn't choose it"

"Stop talking over my narration!"

This is all I've ever wanted ｡^‿^｡ I think I'd be less beholden to the PDP if glock would do literally anything to compete in the areas non-glocks excel. Considering the dominance glock has in the aftermarket, I can't help but think if Glock had used the RMR footprint instead of the MOS system, RMR might have become the defacto universal standard and the plate system would be a lot less common. Glock is a great gun, but with a long list of missed opportunities. PDP just ticks more boxes for me, but I do really hate accessory shopping for it.

Thanks Hop :) this was exactly what I needed to watch today at work so now I won't go jump off a bridge. Same time next Monday?

Came for the review of a pistol I never plan on buying, stayed for the Socko footage.

Now if only we could standardize a red dot footprint like we did with picatinny and m-lok... We would have one less potential point of failure, and many pistols wouldn't even need tall sights to co-witness..

SOCKO CONTENT LFG

Pretty solid and honest review. I got this instead of the Glock, mainly because I wanted to be different (I’m just being honest, don’t kill me) but since I have shot about 1500 rounds through my PDP and about a thousand through my friends Glock and I can say that I like both and you won’t go wrong with either. The one gripe is that they really should be shipping these with taller iron sights for cowitness. But not a bad gun at all, a good alternative to a Glock, but definitely not a Glock killer. Glock is still king. PDP is more like a Duke. Still great, but not the same level as a king. Edit: I got the regular PDP “Compact” not the pro whatever version

CZ P10c , HK VP-9 would be two of the few handguns I would purchase in place of the Glock. I do have a Steyr M4 that is awesome, but there are damn near NO upgrades available for it, at least the last time I searched.

M81 field pants in medium long.... This targeted ad stuff is getting out of hand

“Neutralize.” 9 Hole Reviews has entered the chat

The PDP has become my primary pistol for carry and training, but Glock will always be in the inventory. Had to pull out the G19 for day 2 of a two-day course recently because the PDP optic plate came loose and wouldn't torque back down (original plate screws from C&H were too long!)

I have a full-size PDP Pro Sd, I threw in a ZR tactical uncaptured guide rod with a 13lb spring and a Taylor Freelance brass backstrap, along with a ACRO P2 and a Surefire X300 Turbo. All the snappiness is gone from that gun, it is so light and flat-shooting now it's ridiculous. Not exactly a concealed carry setup though, I like the way you phrased yours as a "hypothetical competition/combat hybrid" pistol. That's what I would classify mine as now. This modified German race gun is one of the best shooting handguns I own, I just don't have anything in particular to use it for.

I love the pdp, and i am very happy to see he didnt totally eviscerate the pdp in regular hop fashion.

TLDW; it's a PPQ Q4 Tac with a slightly better optics mount

Love my PDP pro sd. I have used my PDP compact and bought a threaded barrel and used it suppressed. Ran over 600 rounds with it suppressed without issues

9:30 always breaks my heart when I see a married couple fighting :(

If I ever get the opportunity, Im moving the the US and getting myself a conceal carry permit. Canada is going downhill and our government will punish you for protecting yourself. Protect your second amendment folks. It's more valuable than many realize.

I was in one of the last classes to get issued the Woodland BDUs in '05. About halfway through new classes started getting the ACUs. I'm glad I made the cut.

The actual tiers are: pre glock, non-german alternatives, german (broadly speaking) pistols (walther, hk, cz, steyr)

Hop, I have > 1000 rounds through my PDP 4” compact now. I mounted an Aimpoint Acro and installed Walther’s enhanced trigger. I think the PDP is better than the Glock 17/19 when running an optic. It is easier for me to draw the gun from a holster and find the dot, place shots on target quickly. Without the red dot, the Glock is better (less perceived recoil and a low bore height axis). The PDP’s grip angle was made for red dot use.

It seems no pistol, nor rifle, is “perfection,” and needs to be modified to user preference.

My first handgun was a Walther. It ruined me for anything else. No other handgun has come close to the comfort and reliability that brand has given me. The P99, PPQ, Q5, PDP, the Subcompact, and the double stack 45acp. All models are awesome. I love each. I have a walther collection problem.

Appreciated the comment on over- insertion of the 18 round mags into the compact. Never had that issue with my Glocks and almost shat my pants the first time I jammed the 18 rounder way to far in on the range

Premature lockbacks happen as you get older.

Nice review. Echelon next? I’ve seen the other GunTubers do it but I’m interested to see what you think of it.

Steyr M9-A2 did it for me. Like the Steyr, Diet Mtn Dew is used to being overlooked (and is a nice green color).

I just ordered my PDP Match SF. Can’t wait! Haven’t been excited for a gun in a while.

My biggest gripe with the pdp is the giant monkey bar of a slide release, I have to really focus on thumb placement so the slide will lock back. But that goes all the way back to the p99.

What holster was that you were using with the suppressor? QVO Tactical? Also, thanks for the Sako (Saco?) content. My tuxedo cat, who’s been the best damned cat for the last 18 years, seems to be on his deathbed, so this content reminded me of old times and greatly helped :)

I get vibes from a Nutnfancy soldier boy run and gun at the end of the video!! 😂

9:36 is real-time footage of my parents arguing

Have over 5k rounds on my 4.5" full size pdp. Everything still oem other than a sprinco guide rod system running red spring. Literally eats EVERYTHING I feed her and the barrel is still more accurate than I am. From a bag I can stack shots of hst & gold dot on top each other at 20 yards. Only issue I've had was from the blue follower magazine springs being absolute JUNK. They wear out WAYYYY before quoted compression cycles. Luckily ghost inc makes 10%+ stainless steel full size Walther pdp spring replacement. They have been 100% reliable over hundreds of cycles. Only negative is that your 18rd mags turn into 17rd which I'm perfectly fine with for reliability sake.

I am a big Walther fan, full size PDP, PDP-F, and WMP...for me, they simply work. Ergo's, trigger are top notch I am still hoping for a high cap. PDP W (something) in .22 cal.. Extra's in relation to Glock are still far short of Glock. For me Glock still reigns. The top reason is availability of Glock parts, aftermarket replacement items, and even true upgrades. The aftermarket is unparrelled in any other industry, except Harley Davidson, which is actually similar. Almost no-one buys a H-D and leaves it stock. Almost no-one buys a Glock and leaves it stock.

Need to shill for the Steyr M9-A1 and A2MF pistols Been concealed carrying the M9-A1 for a decade now It doesn't really have any after market mods, but it also doesn't need ANY (other than grip tape because that grip is smooth) Fires 9 but recoils like a .380, has a bore axis that would make a CZ blush, has a higher grip than most guns on the market save the Alien, and she just runs without problem. It also has a completely unique sighting system that I feel is faster than any red dot, they are trapezoid sights, stupid fast to get on target Love the fucking thing but Steyr didn't market it AT ALL so almost nobody has heard of one let alone fired one, and it's a shame, because it was made by a former glock employee and honestly feels like a Glock 2.0

I rented a PDP about a year ago. I love the look and it had a great stock trigger for a striker fired pistol, but I immediately noticed the harsh recoil. It just felt *rough* when shooting it. I shot an M&P 2.0 the same range session and it felt way, way better. PDPs are also a little more expensive than Glocks, which are already a little more expensive than many competitors in the class. PDPs are solid, but it’s really hard to justify the price. At that point you might as well step up a little more and get a VP9. Or spend less and get a G19/17, M&P 2.0 O.R., Echelon, p320, APX A1, FN 509, CZ P10, Canik TP9 Elite/Mete SFx,

Wait, was that a snippet of you casually shooting with Jerry Miculek? That's so cool

I've got 6 handguns and none are a Glock (1 is the PDP SD Pro, another is a CZ75, both mentioned). Strange thing is... I don't even want a Glock. And every time I touch one I can't wait to put it down. I don't get the whole Glock cult thing. Is something wrong with me?

Fear not Hop, I saw a kicker box full of Woodland and Desert BDUs being moved by forklift last week while at CIF, so there is still hope for you. 😁

One thing about those Dara holsters - make sure you loctite the shit out of those 2 bolts that keep it together. I've never had to loctite any of my Safariland holsters and I've used them for almost 10yrs now almost everyday as an LE. I had to buy a Dara holster because I was using the new G21 G5, and Safariland doesn't make a holster. I could feel my gun moving around one day at work, put my hand on my holster, and realized both of the retention screws were completely gone, so the gun was barely being held in the holster. Not the best feeling as a cop. I'm also someone who takes the gun out of my holster before literally every single shift, so it wasn't like that when I started my day. I turn on my 508T, press check and make sure my TLR1 is working before every shift.

first gun was a glock 17 gen 5 when i turned 21. Not a huge glock fan but knew they were super reliable so i bought it. Walked into a gun store last week and held a PDP and fell in love. Best feeling handgun ever (Ive got a staccato too, PDP feels better in hands) as soon as i shot my PDP i was so sad lol. Its snappy as hell and just not very fun to shoot

You said you try to read all the comments in you 100k q&a so I wanted you remind you that you’re nobody til somebody loves you. And that somebody- is me. I love you🤠

Bless you for critical reviews. Ive seen red dots fail in competitions, and cowitness ironsights were life savers

Laughs in spaghetti while carrying my Tanfoglio force plus.

Great video. Nice to see alternate perspectives, and to know I am not alone in thinking the PDP has some shortcomings that could be remedied easily by Walther, and really shouldn't exist at the price point. Subscribed.

G19 looks positively SKINNY next to this pistol.

Video got substantially relevant at 16:11

Sick AF on the rifle drills. Which LPVO in that aero mount? Thanks for honesty Hop!

Would love to hear your opinion on the m&p 2.0...I shoot Glocks but the 2.0 with the glock-style trigger looks interesting.

One reason not to buy Walther is their customer service is atrocious

Can't wait for the Daniel H9 review in 3 years!

Walther lost me when they ditched the mag release. Just made it a walther.

Hop's ability to draw in some of the most smooth brain commenters is truly unmatched

For people looking for a holster for a PDP the Safariland 6390RDS-4502-131 for a p320 fits perfectly on my PDP pro full size. Just had to take out the barrel plug in the holster so the threaded barrel would fit.

To me, the Walthers, and several others, qualify as Glock killers in what I’d call a tier “2.5” on your scale. Meaning, they wouldn’t compel someone already invested in Glock to switch systems, but they are more than “six one way…” with Glock. They beat or tie Glock in all the categories one would prioritize when choosing to buy a polymer 9mm.

I have a PDP F series. I wont say its a glock killer, but for me, I prefer it over a glock. I carry a glock for work and have G21 at home. I dont hate glocks but I prefer the PDP.

Love to see a video of your "the closest thing to killing a glock" pistol. Lots of different "glock killers" but I'd love your take on what you consider the pistol that gets closest to the mark.

There is one reason I use the PPQ over my glock 19: the true single stage trigger helps me shoot one-handed with consistently better accuracy.

My edc is a PDP compact with a 5 inch barrel, carried appendix. I don’t feel the snappiness personally, but I’ll have to compare to a glock the next time I’m at the range. It’s definitely blockier than glock, but I’ve personally not found that to be a problem in my year of carrying it so far. There’s definitely guns out there like the P320 that also have huge slides and run fine. PDP for CCW definitely isn’t for everyone, nor is it something you should de facto buy over a glock. If you are unhappy with some of the deficiencies of glock, and (like me) either aren’t bothered or are willing to put up with the before mentioned issues, the PDP is a great gun. Just be aware it’s more of ‘different than a glock’ than straight up ‘better than a glock’. Both have qualities over the other. Great review as always Hop, you have me looking at my own setup and considering things I had not before. And now I might just buy a threaded barrel and edc that comp just for the goofiness. Cheers. Edit: Holster is from Werkz if anyone is interested. It’s been good to me so far, and is perfectly fine for kydex

I was always thinking "why is it so BIG?" The P99 had a problem with being really snappy but it was so LIGHT. Reasonable tradeoff for a police gun that will likely never leave the holster. Makes me wonder if they tried to make it chunkier to tame the recoil for the commercial market and just failed horribly.

​ @Hoplopfheil try a ZR Tactical 15 lb recoil spring. The factory is oversprung at about 17-18 lbs and I think that is the reason for the higher felt recoil. They also make a 13 lb for softer shooting, but maybe not as reliable. Try them both for a follow video, there's not a lot of info out there.

you said you can only think of a few scenarios where you'd want a suppressed handgun. out of curiosity, what are those scenarios?

Coming from a person who used both the m and p 2.0 and the glock, the m and p is a glock killer. Literally better in every way except aftermarket support.

Bought a walther CCP about 10 years ago (whenever it came out). Firing mechanism failed within the first 500 rounds (less than that actually, I think). Sent it in and customer service was crap. My barrel got all jacked up because of it. Never got an answer as to why it happened or if they would replace my barrel. They sent me a sticker; that’s it. I will NEVER buy another walther ever again.

The ZR tactical long stroke recoil assembly really takes a lot of the snap out of the PDP

Little did you know… that black cat was probably up all night on lookout to protect you from any threats. That’s why they sleep in???

Happy to hear a reasonable review on this gun. I thought it was the most "meh" thing ever made when I shot it.

The PDP wouldve shot way better if the slide mass wasnt a brick and the bore axis was lower

Hop what kind of holsters do you use for supressor? What do you think about surefire masterfire? For some weirdass guns in tactical rig

Phew! Hop, you've helped my darling 43x validate itself. I love the hell out of it so it's great to hear that the fancy stuff may not necessarily be better.

I love you Hop instantly compares the aftermarket support of a new pistol series that's been out for only a few years vs Glock that's been around 40 years now..

As a Glock fanboy, the only other brand that has impressed me enough to purchase a pistol other than a Glock is CZ. And the only reason I bought a CZ in the first place was because I wanted a hammer fire pistol.

yessir.. your review is a very unbiased review .. i have the same opinion as you pointed out at the end.. i will stick with my glock19 or i will go for an Apx.. to have a fresh handgun with the rdo system.. what's your opinion about my idea?

What holster is that at 3:30? I need something for those rare occasions I shoot a suppressed pistol.

Cz P10 series is easily the closest "glock killer" that's ever been produced.

Walther is the middle child of gun companies. There's nothing wrong with them, but we still forget they exist 363 days out of the year. They're one of the few companies that are "just as good" as Glock that are actually just as good as a Glock.

Honestly you had me at Diet Mountain Dew enjoyer... subscribed, and now to finish the video!

Note that RDR gear mods will work with the PDP PRO SD compact and full size without a compensator, but once you add the comp, there isn’t a safariland that can be modded to fit the full size with comp. Compact + compensator should work, full size won’t. I had asked RDR about my pro sd full size and he went through the trouble of buying the materials to test it out for me but no dice. I ended up going with a local custom kydex shop for my full size with comp and tlr1.

I would like to see a comprehensive PSA dagger review by Hop of all the variants (full size, compact, micro, etc). Considering that it is a Glock gen3 clone, and is a gun that is just fine for people that are not wrong handed (no right side slide release), and I would like to see Hop's realistic harsh complaint, through all of the pistol variants. And I would like to see his thoughts on purchasing just the frame and upgrading everything else within it, basically starting out only with the frame and upgrading it with a complete slide assembly (such as Hooper Gun Works complete slides), and a decent reliable aftermarket trigger (Example: Tyrant CNC trigger bar and flat trigger).

Not quite a 00 agent gun. 😔

I bought one right when fhey came out. According to the Walther marking there was supposed to be a Safariland duty holster readily available, plates, mags ect..... after waiting 6 months and not being able to buy magazines, and all the other crap "not available but soon!!" I traded mine in for a CZ P10F. Using a heat gun, I was able to get the P10 to work perfectly in a 6360 that was for a Glock 34. I'm definitely not going to bother with a PDP again, since I've gone back to SAO and DA/AA handguns.

I have a pro and a F series and I don't own a glock so I'm not comparing them but I absolutely love the grip texture on the PDP's.

There is some utility in suppressing a bedside pistol.

I don't think there is THE ONE gun that is the ultimate Glock killer. But Glock is slowly killing themselves by refusing to innovate. The only thing keeping them alive is the aftermarket support, and those guys have figured out how to live without Glock factory guns. A PSA Dagger has a lot more features than a stock Glock at a fraction of the price. And with all the plastic parts, original Glocks aren't even great value or anything. But Glock clones from PSA, Shadow Systems and alike plus other competitors like the Walther PDP, Springfield (HS) Echelon, Beretta APX 2, CZ P10,... are factually better.

Another issue with the PDP that I don’t hear anybody talking about: when you pull the trigger, the gun jerks to the right. I noticed this during dry fire. At first I thought maybe it was just me, or perhaps it was just my gun. But I tried it out on somebody else’s PDP and the exact same thing happened. We took turns dry firing each other’s for a few minutes and we noticed exactly the same phenomenon. For some reason, right as the trigger breaks, there’s a slight but noticeable jerk to the right. No matter how good your grip is or how steady you can press the trigger. I have not noticed this on any other handguns that I’ve personally used.

I’ve been trying to find reviews on Dara holsters, I like their auto retention mag carriers. Would you recommend their holsters?

I think that pdp is by far better gun than glock like almost all other succesful handguns, all glock killers are glock killers not in way that they took market but in way that they are better handguns, they just have almost everything better, so i dislike video, and then i see a cat, and i say i need to like this video so i did it, just because of cat 😻

When has anyone sold their gun to switch to another gun? Glock killer should refer to the new standard that everyone will wanna adhere to going forward, it’s not gonna make people suddenly hate the current platform and switch that’s just unreasonable.

between the standard 4.5" PDP and the springfield echelon, which do you think would be the better pistol?

Following Brass Facts, thank you Hop for being the second ever KZfaqr to thank me for watching the ad😭