How many ppl paused the video, pulled their carry and tested this out of battery thing???

Walther fixed this. All of the new 4” and 4.5” guns have a different disconnector slot so this “feature” does not exist anymore. Walther listened and made a change.

I have the 2023 model compact pro sd as a everyday carry i ran this test in every different way and it still fired. Im happy walther is listening to consumer feedback and improving an already amazing system.

PDP F model I had reset normally. The full-size models needed the slide retracted 1/2 inch to reset the trigger.

I have the 4 in. PDP F Series and it does not have the “fatal flaw”. I’ve tested it probably 50 times now. Good to go.

I've just recently started watching your You-Tube channrel / contents in the past month or so. Thank you for the contributions you have been giving to the public. As a side note on this episode about PDP flaw, I own a PDP F serious and immediately tested for the malfuction as shown on your video. As information, FWIW - the malfunction / flaw is not affected on the F serious. Just wanting to throw it out there.

I had seen this issue highlighted a few months ago with the PDP. I have a PDP-F. It does NOT do this. I have tried it 100 times with various methods of pushing the slide out of battery. The trigger worked every single time. Maybe they redesigned something with the F model, but it works 100% of the time.

And this is why an X300 is nice. You can jam it into a body and fire away. Caveat; if the light extends a tad past the pistol.

Mine don’t do this. Interesting

Love your honestly. Thank you.

The P10 remains one of the most underrated striker guns on the market. The only trouble is that the P10f is Shaq big and the P10c is g19ish, but they're reasonably inexpensive, reliable, rugged, optics ready is available, and I dig the factory flat trigger.

This was so insightful. I am only a range shooter only, so I wouldn't care much about it, but I do like to hear professionals talking about guns from a different angle.

There are 2 simple fixes to this if you have the old version of the PDP. 1) Install a threaded barrel. 2) Install a light or Lazer on the rail that extends past the slide.

You've got to ask yourself as an agency making a huge purchase: 1) Do I go with a tool that has been consistent, reliable, effective, over the course of nearly 40 years 2) Do I go with something new and fresh, but is redundant to everything on the market?

Simple remedy is to create a “standoff” attach a weapon light that goes pass the muzzle problem solved. Most agencies attach lights anyways. Non problem for me. If a feature is part of you carry you train on how to use the feature just my 2 cents

Gen 1’s have this issue, Gen 2’s with the revised optic mounts resolved this

Chris Palmer’s framing of this conversation is spot-on.

My new PDP-F doesn't do this. Slide out of battery, pull the trigger and hold it, back off, let go of the trigger and the trigger resets as it should. Maybe Walther fixed this issue? Agree that a dead trigger in this scenario makes the pistol a no-go for LE. Hope they fixed it in the duty models, this thing is an awesome alternative to a Block.

I took a class with bill Blowers last summer, walther guy of course, and he did announce that to the class when we were going over malfunctions. I think it’s a transparent thing they don’t hide, I bought mine for a training and competition gun I don’t carry one.

Ben kills me. Dude is Savage in all the correct ways. Sees BS and exposes it. Love him or hate him MF is real and real in this area is RARE

Huge thanks

Came across this video and just wanted to give some personal experience. Own several Glocks and had acquired two PDP's (4" & 4.45"). As mentioned in your video, when using the full size framed PDP with the Standard trigger, and the slide is pressed to the rear far enough (15mm or 9/16"), you'll hear an audible click and the trigger disconnects, allow the slide to go back into battery, you have a dead trigger as you conveyed. Have to rack slide to get a live trigger again. This is replicated with both a 4" and 4.5" PDP full size. However, and this is my personal experience (other's mileage may vary), when I installed the Walther Dynamic Performance Trigger into the 4.5" the dead trigger issue does not occur with this trigger kit installed. Don't know if it's tolerance stacking or the changes in geometry with the trigger bar and sear assembly with the Dynamic Performance trigger. Granted my sample size is only 2 PDP's, but with oem PDP trigger - dead trigger occurs, Dynamic trigger installed - it does not occur.

I had a quick test (with dry guns obviously). Canik Rival-S (which is Walther clone) does not fire when pressed against arm, but when bringing the gun back it fires normally. My good old Walther P99 even fired when pressed very firmly against arm.

Not really a deal breaker for me personally, but I can see how a department would see it as one.

Does that happen with the pdp compact version as well?

What do you think about the beavertail design on the PDP? I noticed with most other handguns the web of the hand can be jammed further up into the beavertail depending how aggressive your grip is, but not with the PDP. It only allows the web of the hand to only go so far and no further. Anyone else have an issue with this?

I was a DT instructor at my academy in NY. We taught that if you ever use your weapon as an impact weapon you need to do a “slap and rack” regardless if you are going to shoot or not.

Part 2/2. You have to know guns to understand this issue, the pdp is basically a single action, not a traditional striker fired gun. Glocks have a sear that moves backwards with the trigger until it hits a certain point and moves downwards out from under the striker, thereby pushing the striker backwards some. The PDP has a latch sear. When the slide is racked the striker sear catches on a small latch in the frame, the trigger unblocks the sear, and the spring pressure pulls hard enough on this latch sear that the striker pushes it down and fires. Where they are misleading is that it doesn't decock all of the time. This feature only happens when the slide is pushed out of battery until the barrel just tilts downward, before the slide can move away from the breach itself. Thereby the barrel and breach face or not actually out of battery. At this point the striker is almost at its resting point, but has enough tension that the trigger acts normally. If the slide is moved more than 1/8" then pulling the trigger will have no effect. If the trigger were held it wold be like holding the trigger down for a reset. This function allows for one to carry a live round with a dead trigger if they are not comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol. To re engage the sear, the slide must be pulled back approx. 1/8" or more, unlike a glock that would have to be fully racked. Also with the barrel tilted down and the slide pushed back, the striker shouldn't extended past the breach face, since it doesn't have the pressure; and the round will be moved so that the primer is not in a direct path with the striker. Someone else said this is a safety feature in the event the gunjams or doesn't go into battery, thereby disabling the gun until the operator confirms the gun is safe. Now this feature is a liability to an officer, or more accurately to someone defending themselves from an attacker. I say this as most officers that use deadly force, do so around the magical 7 yard mark, and most attacks upon them are surprise attacks. If a suspected perpetrator is within that distance then the officer has messed up somewhere, and has lost control of the situation. Also if an officer is being attacked they should be using a different weapon than their side arm, as being in a scuffle would likely lead to loose and negligent shots fired in all directions. Other considerations to be had is that most officers don't fire their weapons in the actual line of duty, it is not unheard of for an officer to never have to fire their side arm. As Chris said at 6:15, it is somewhat low occurring for officers to be involved in shootings. However as the PDP sits I would not use it in this profession as is. When there is an officer involved shooting, the officer must justify their actions. The reason for the heavy trigger in most pistols, other than ND, is so that whoever is firing it has time to think, and possibly have time to defuse the situation at hand (in a defensive situation). The problem here is that the trigger on PDP is too light to allow this time and consideration. It is the nicest stock trigger I have seen on the market, it is lighter than most other guns, and crisper than most of those that are lighter. For example it is lighter than factory glock and m&p, but it is crisper than the canik tp9 sfx which is a direct clone of a walther p99. I said earlier "or anyone defending themselves," this also includes everyday people. This gun has 3 barrel lengths and 2 frame sizes, 4", 4.5", 5", as well as full and compact frames. The full size is obviously made as a duty pistol, while the compact is concealed carry. If your everyday person must use this weapon in self defense, it follows the same rules as officers, they must justify their actions. The only difference is if the officer perceives a threat they may pull their side arm depending on policy, while some states say citizens may meet force with force, and others are duty to retreat. In a justifiable case, the firearm has been pulled and can be used accordingly. In this case the trigger wouldn't matter. In both cases, if in a scuffle on the ground, as some martial arts teach, if you are on your back you are in the most vulnerable position. If you can get your pistol good, however if in this position most likely you have already failed. Now as far as pressing the firearm into someone, that is complete hooey. Firstly you should never be that close, with a weapon drawn. Chicago defense training has become an absolute punching bag, but he had point once, if a gun can be grabbed and the slide held out of battery it is of no use or danger to anyone. Secondly officers, and some civilians carry with weapon lights. If striking someone, then it should be done with the finger off the trigger, and with the WML, not the muzzle. There have been videos made, and an entire philosophy around WMLs, and that is the reason the bezel extends past the muzzle. This is only a problem on the 5" pdp, as a tlr1/2 will sit flush with the muzzle, not extend past it. The 4" and 4.5" the light will extend past the muzzle. TL:DR this gun is a great gun, but earlier than 2023 would not be recommended for use as a duty pistol, shootings are rare, and you shouldn't be too close to an attacker. The design of the pistol allows the decocking of the striker, and is actually a safety feature.

Damn, I love my PDP. I didn't know this. I'll have to go down to my safe and see if mine reacts this way. It was my EDC before my Staccato.

I had to get to two PDP just now to try this.

Walther says this issue was addressed "fixed" in newer builds. Is that correct?

Great video

Thoughts on this vs the RangeRunner carts from Range Tactical Gear?

Ben you honestly grind my gears man always getting me thinking 😂

just tried the PPQ V2, same feature. HK P30 works fine.

I have a PDP C(2nd Gen) and this feature is not present. Could it possibly be a Gen1 issue?

Wow, never heard about the oob thing. I dislike the pdp because of the recoil impulse.

I used to carry a Walther PPQ M2 40 cal for per diem work and it was a very accurate and reliable pistol. I now carry an issued Gen 5 G19. Love the Glock for being simple and having way cheaper mags. The Gen 5 is also very accurate with the new barrels. There was one other guy I worked with that had a PPQ 9mm. We were odd balls that loved something that seemed more refined than a Glock for our own weapon selection.

Just purchased a PDP Compact 4” DE 2022 I cannot recreate return to battery FTF condition. My gun fires under such circumstance.

Not getting that with the three I have.

Besides the current change walther did to them, I personally think if you want something that just runs until you no longer run, get a da/sa. P99, 226, p09

I discovered it completely by accident in dry firing my PDP. I had never actually thought about it until it happened and I tried to repeat it on other guns and it didn’t happen. The PDP is a really neat gun but has never made it into the rotation because of this. I just thought I was paranoid but maybe not so much.

Would like to hear your feedback on the Shadow Systems line of Glock clones!

My Arex Delta is safe *phew* and it is almost half the price of a PDP! I'm now rethinking of getting a PDP. I was thinking of getting the F series.

Bought a PDP pro full size about 6 weeks ago, saw this video and felt sick for a moment. Got home and proceeded to test it and mine fires every time. Does anyone know if Walther addressed this problem or is something different with the pro ?

I have a new PDP Pro compact, and it does not have this flaw. If I push the slide out of battery, pull the trigger it will not fire(trigger is dead), but hold the trigger down, get the slide back in battery, let go of the trigger and pull it again, it fires.

I tried this with both of my PDPs, and I guess they were both made after it was fixed

The thing I always sperg out about is striker fired (or any single action) that drops the striker with a modest impact. Walther and HK definitely fall into this category. If you fell or got tackled with the gun on and it hits the ground, now it needs to be racked again before it fires.

I got a pdp thinking the same thing, I would carry it...found this tp be an issue and decided against it. Also I have seen 3 of them slide stops stop working after alot of rounds wo cleaning

I’ve got an 11lb spring with a titanium guide rod and the dynamic trigger. Haven’t had this happen at all. I have a 5” compact. I’m wondering if they fixed it? 🤔 or I could just be lucky I guess. 😂

I checked with a PPQ M1 and it would fire.

I stopped carrying my 2022 pdp model due to that exact issue. I contacted Walther, hoping they would fix this since its a factory issue, but they recommended that I buy a new updated slide from them for 300$ smh!! First walther and will be my last.

The Walther P99 goes Bang! Greetings from a Walther in Switzerland👍

Just tested my PDP Pro SD Compact. Trigger reset and “fired”. Looks like it was fixed in the 2.0 versions. 2:18

Weird that my PDP Pro isn’t doing what you demonstrated. I copied your exact movements and mine will still fire. How many PDPs has this been tested on ?

Feel of recoil and muzzle rise ARE inversely proportional, if the ammo is constant.

So to avoid this-maybe a threaded barrel or comp??

Anybody have evidence that this is an issue with the SD PRO?

I had massive extractor issues with the full size PDP and issues with slide locking back. Customer service was terrible

The only question that matters… Does Steven Seagal use it? - High opinion Low commitment guy

I wonder if the recoil spring has something to do with the snappy feel...is it lighter than on other guns or something? That would be my first guess.

This is why the X300 can save your life in CQB, and it has nothing to do with lumens or candles…

Part 1/2. I have read quite a few of the comments, and I think a lot of people are missing the point one way or another. For what Chris was saying, the pdp with this design is a liability to officers. That issue has been resolved, according to this comment section, as of 2023. I will post another technical comment, but this video is misleading, and I don't believe they understand the issue enough to know how it happens. Rewatching the video, at 5:15, it is clear Ben intended to mislead the audience, and clickbait us to watch. He directly said he had hoped Chris would agree to say this gun could/ would get you killed due to some factory defect. This is not the case, and there is nothing directly wrong with the pistol. The overlooked point is that this is a safety feature. What some people don't realize is that the pdp is pretty much single action. Some people aren't comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, which is why there is Israeli carry. This function actually allows the decocking of the gun, so a round can be carried in the chamber without fear, or so that it can be stored without fully dry firing the gun. I know walther calls it the performance duty pistol, but you can tell they focused on performance not duty. TL:DR the video is misleading, the gun is fine, there is actually a reason for this function, and this is more of a performance gun than a duty gun.

Yep!! Couldn’t agree more Lol 😂🤷‍♂️👍

He evaluates firearms as if he expects them to be foolproof. Being able to manipulate any tool that can possible fail boils down to TRAINING. How is this any different when an Officer’s firearm fails to fire regardless of brand, caliber, bullet etc…

I ordered one of these in a steel frame, and handled the polymer frame version yesterday (3/13/24) - I tried repeating that flaw shown in the video, the one I handled didn't do that, it did what it was supposed to do. Maybe Walther saw the vids and made corrections since then or it's not a universal problem.

That is so weird and something I would have never imagined even thinking about. I pulled out my Glock, my PDP and one of my Caniks. Glock worked fine because it's Glock. I figured since the Canik is kind of a license trigger or whatever from Walther maybe it would have that same issue and it didn't. Then I tried my other Canik, first being the TP9 SFx, second being the Mete, neither one did it. Getting progressively more annoyed, I grabbed one of my VP9s, zero issue. Then moved to my Hellcat RDP with the compensator (love it because it's the only micro I don't hate with a passion) and then the Sig P365XL. Neither had an issue. I quit pulling out pistols and doing this after that because I was getting more and more pissed and my wife thinking I'm more of a dipshit than she previously thought. Not a single one did it except the PDP. I'm annoyed because I shoot the PDP really well, nothing close to world class but getting better. Chances of me in what I do day to day running into that issue are so entirely small I shouldn't be annoyed but just knowing what this video illustrated is going to bother me every time I look at the Walther.

I have been entirely unable to replicate this with my PDP, unless I push on it so far that the gun comes out of battery, in which case no striker fired gun will fire.

I have a PDP Compact 4" purchased in 2024 and this is not an issue with my firearm.

Does the PPQ also have this "feature" ?

Depending on your holster, it's possible to nudge the slide out of battery while holstering the gun. Even if the gun returns to battery, you could potentially draw a dead gun???!!!

the PDP F-Series doesn't have this "feature"... it functions like the glock

PPQ M1 does this as well

I own a PDP, but I'm not a Cop. I agree with this guy. I want something that's gonna work no matter the situation

PDP Pro SD models should be unaffected by this design "feature". I recently purchased the PDP Pro SD Compact 4.6" as my first handgun and I'm a happy owner so far. **UPDATE** I'm wrong. Since my gun and I are currently separated by 6000 miles, I incorrectly assumed the above. I have since seen where the threaded barrel suffers the same issue. I did purchase a HA comp recently so maybe that will mitigate the issue.

Just tried it on a PDP Pro at the LGS. No “flaw” observed.

The issue is fixed on the gen 2 Walter's mine doesn't do that

IDK, my husband and I have two of the PDP F models and non of them have that issue.

I absolutely love the straightforward, no BS talk from Chris Palmer. I wish I would have seen this video before I bought mine. That being said, mine is the PDP F-Series 3.5 inch barrel, and it does not have this "feature"! The trigger does not go dead on this one like the one in this video. I bought mine about 1 month ago, so they may have fixed this?

Wonder if the P99 & PPQ have these issues? Thanks for the share!!

Big non issue for me, walther fixed it anyway. Outshoots and is better than anything else in its category

I remember this coming up and us normies talking about this when the gun first came out. It’s the reason I sold mine. Boy of boy the fanboys came out in flocks…brace yourself lol

Didn’t happen on my pdp I tried multiple times same as you demonstrated. They must have fixed it

I had no idea about this “ feature”. I think thats a good name for it. S&W had a feature in one of their models back when, were if you dropped/lost the mag, even with 1 in the chamber it would not fire. Their logic was to save an officers life if his gun was taken away. Features like this are made, in my opinion, from someone(s) who probably has not been in a close contact. Because its all about perspective. That one round may save your ass if you’re still aggressive. My perspective is based off a close contact incident using a P226. The gun worked. Had this feature been on the 226 in my incident I would not had the other hand free to cycle the slide ,because I was grabbing the future dead guy, nor the time and my team mate most likely would have taken some impacts.

Umm - I can’t seem to get my 5” PDP to do it . But I don’t use my PDP much anyway as occasionally my grip style, that I’m comfortable with on my TXG module Sig’s, will engage the mag release on the PDP- but that’s just a me thing . Nice to hear someone push back on the 2011 for carry trend - great guns but having to deal with a more complex manual of arms in a real high speed high stress scenario ( outside competition ) seems unnecessary when the high quality strikers are absolutely good enough for almost any application. Marketing + hype = better ? but in reality it’s just that folks love buying new guns that look cool . I pinned my grip safety on my competition 9mm 1911 just because I couldn’t be bothered with it slowing me down if I didn’t get it right.

So how much does this happen? It's being claimed that it happens, so what are the numbers?

seems like you have already lost the fight if your gun is out, and the bad guy closes and presses into your hand/gun hard enough to drive it out of battery.

Hey! Thanks for that info, none of the KZfaq talking gun heads have ever mentioned this. Walther knows about this, s its either a design feature or a design flaw. PDP is a no go for me…Glocks, are old trusty!

its 100% a things that worthy of consideration , people will say your autistic & overthinking it , but this seems to be a decently major thing lmao

Finally some one calls out all the people that feel the need to clear their guns for the keyboard warriors.

Fixed in newer models.

Answering my own question, maybe . But it could be the trigger group, think the only difference is trigger and threaded barrel internally.

There’s a fine line between innovative and unnecessary, I don’t know why companies can’t just make guns that act like guns.

Doesn't happen on the PDP pro

I’ve never been keen on those Walther guns.

Maybe Walther is trying to get some of that P320 market share?

My firearm ( FDQ 2022) when cocked and slightly out of battery will fire.

So, I tested this out. The amount of force and angle you have to be at to make it happen is significant, meaning there is a "sweet spot" you have to hit. A little bit before it you can still pull the trigger, a little after the trigger will reset. From his perspective I get his reasoning, but for the average carrier this is kind of like the CQB fantasy most gun guys have, it will never happen if we are being realistic. I just posted because my knee jerk reaction was "ok here we go again, my chosen weapons now sucks." Don't run out and sell your PDP's over this one.

I always thought KZfaqrs showing a unloaded gun was stupid as well

Yeah, the Walther PDP is horrible. I'll gladly take it off your hands