The lawyers will do well.

Where you gonna spend it all?

Don't forget the taxes so 80¢

😂😂😂😂

I got mine from SEARS HARDWARE from 15 years ago. I quit my job and retired. The payment was around $4.00-$5.00

agreed!

Agree

I agree with you but they won't do it due to the Cafe standards the government set up for mpg of vehicles. Thats really the issue they try and get the trucks more fuel efficient and it causes more problems than it fixes. It is a truck and people who buy trucks for the most part I think understand that you will not get 40 mpg out of it lol

That AFM in vehicles with 8-speed autos has been causing transmission shuddering in some vehicles when going into V-8 to V-4 mode. GM. changed the transmission oil specs which helped out quite a bit.

No they will double down on it..... they will never do the good thing.

So all aftermarket lifters are Chinese junk?

@@Mr-ow3mk doubt it. The lifters that GM are using to replace the factory lifters are junk. Just replacing junk with junk. The lifter guides are plastic, should tell you everything you need to know

@@Mr-ow3mk I mean the real repair is to undo afm with solid lifters and cam, but I'm certain GM not participating in that.

@@dylanlikeavillan5165 so these are with the new LT motors? So if I decide to put one of these motors ( truck version) in my Camaro that's what I have to look out for ?

@@Mr-ow3mk I am not really at liberty to speak intelligently on gen V as I am still on gen 3-4 land bit as far as I know all All LT1, LT4, L83, and L86 engines include AFM, LT5 does not have AFM crap. They have also introduced another variety, dynamic fuel management (DFM) another acronym yay! It has all 16 valves on springs, yuck! G.L. with the Camaro swapin

That's what I was hoping mine is an 09 and I have afm

Ya my 11 camaro ss with 45k on it just broke down due to lifter and valve spring failure

I completely agree, my 11 Suburban is in this group too.

My 2007 Yukon had that issue

@@trollmode3863 fixed lifters on my 2007 twice - I will never buy a chevy again unless there is a serious redesign

Agreed! The transmissions have been awful

@@TheSundaeDrive 42k on my 2015 and it just gave out sending metal all through it no warning. trans was crappy from day 1 brought it back several times and was always told operating as designed. 3600 bucks later its rebuilt still has some weird shifts from time to time. I will say HP tuners has helped quite a bit especially with the TCC lockup speeds and slip.

The transmission is easy to fix. Flip flop the thermostat or get there new bypass valve. But yeah it’s been a horrible system from the get go.

@@Ray00069 that was done at around 7k miles and still failed.

@@Scott19 Yeah probably because they kept the same weak torque converter that destroyed it twice lol

U might be lucky with your 5 year drive train warranty

Being a dealer tech, I've seen them go on 2021 5.3 and 6.2 as early as 1000 miles. And after we replace them, a few come back 3000 miles later for the same thing, replacing junk with junk

So frustrating. They need to get better parts suppliers

If you are out of the powertrain warranty (i think gm shrunk it to 60K) they will still normally cover a large portion of the repair if not all of it since you are so close and the truck is so new

My 21 just went out with 14k miles

That stinks Nate. Sorry to hear about all those issues. That's incredibly frustrating. The only way to really deal with it is to delete afm fully. 2006 and older is simpler which usually = better

@@TheSundaeDrive That's why I went and found the cleanest and low mileage 2006 GM truck I could. Been very happy with it. I've often wondered if I deleted AFM day one on my 2015 just maybe I wouldn't have had issues.

The very reason, if it's going to be a new vehicle. Honda or Toyota ONLY, the new American vehicles are unreliable and European vehicles are over engeered plastic garbage. Wife's car is a 2010 Toyota camry, the daughters car is the old family beater/spare 1996 Toyota corolla. My car is a 1989 Honda accord. Also we have my 86 5 speed square body ford ranger and the her 1995 Subaru wrx. All of the car have no emissions systems to speak of except for the 2010 camry. They have not failed yet, so no need to rip it out and tune it to run with out cats yet.

Dude where did you find a 2006 with 15,000 miles?

@@elyk1996 really lucky find from a old person or a barn find. When I bought my current farm I went into one of the back barns and that's where I found my 86 ford ranger.

Agreed!

Good 'ol government mandates!

This is a great example of a lawsuit that makes no effort to differentiate actual defects from GM and cases of lifter failure due to owners with room temp IQ's that don't change their oil often enough, don't check their oil level, add so much oil it causes oil aeration, drives short trips all winter long and causes the oil level to increase due to the amount of unburned fuel that's diluting the oil down and causing wear, etc. If your lifters made it 100k miles and then later fails, that wasn't because of a defective lifter, that's a case of an owners that joined the "I change my oil ever 7500+ miles cuz I buy the good stuff" when their DI engine has been loading up that oil with diesel-like soot and unburned fuel for that entire interval and has caused wear and sludge formations that cause lifters to malfunction.

Don't leave that thing plugged in if your not driving every day. Replaced 2 batteries because of that device. It's great but puts a slow constant draw. I think I'm just going to get a tuner because they can disable afm and don't have to be plugged in. Also don't unplug that thing after the engine is running. My truck stayed in 4 cylinder mode during idle and was running like crap, couldn't even drive it because it wouldn't go to v8. Luckily I disconnected the battery and the computer reset, all has been good since.

Good feedback Will! Glad to hear it worked well for you

Good tips Jordan. Thanks!

Thanks for your post. I just bought a Range after my 2015 lifters collapse and bent push rods. I’ve been trying to research how it works over time.

I used the Range AFM disabler on our 2018 Cadillac Escalade 6.2. Worked awesome.... the lifters sometimes would tick louder sometimes before the Range Afm disabler. After quiet all the time. I also used Royal Purple oil as well!

Sadly true

The guys that are doing the initial filing will get paid.

@@rustybumperclassics6342 too olfw

Real talk

Start your own lawsuit

Agreed, lifter issues go back further, and has a lot to do with poor pcv system, materials, and oil maintenance.

2007 when afm was introduced, it was a nightmare

I'm going through this right now with my avalanche 07

@@ronaldvaldez5955 how many miles are on your truck

@@cyrusbunk7360 140.000 miles not much for a 14 year old truck thank goodness I had an extended warranty on it they quoted me 5900hundred to fix

Glad to hear it has been holding up well for you! Hopefully it gets you to 300K. I don't think there are any manual transfer cases anymore sadly. Stay away from 19-22. Hopefully by 23 they fix the lifters.

I wanted low range in the transfer case. Backing a loaded trailer in soft conditions means smoking a transmission or clutch without it. You have to buy the offroad package of some kind to get it. HDs come standard with it. Buying anything other than fully optioned is a nightmare experience. Right now, from each manufacturer's website, Ram offers the most truck for dollar. Ford is the most money.

@@thegreenerthemeaner I spec’d all 3 yesterday as base model v8’s with only the necessities and you’re right…the Ram was lowest, GM in the middle and Ford at the top. I tend to keep them 10 years and pile a lot of miles up…does a Ram have the longevity? My Son has a 15’ with 170k that needed an entire valve train & cam overhaul @ 160k and it seems like I don’t see many in the 300k range that still look and run well. For now I guess I’ll keep ol’ Betty White for another year and revisit this exercise then.

@@TheSundaeDrive gm has been having these issues since 2007 with the 5.3; it was called the flex fuel engine. It "flexed and fueled".

You seemingly are the exception.

Agreed!

Going through this right now avalanche 07 in the shop

I replaced the lifters and cam on my 08 gmc because #7 lifter got stuck. I ended up dod deleting it and had a street tune. The truck ran great after that. I gave it to my son, he drove it for 2 years and sold it. He bought a 2014 chevy z71, i told him to go have the afm or what ever it's called deleted because it's just a matter of time. It only has 50,000 miles on the 2014 and he has an extended warranty until 100,000 miles, hid deductible is only $100

I solved my Silverado problems by trading it in and purchased a 2020 Ridgeline. No regrets!

Yup it's become such bullshit. I have a 4.3 in a 2000 blazer with 220000 miles on it and regular oil changes and it has been just a gem of a turnkey

Got rid of my Sierras 2015 and a 2017 for that F$&@!?:’ bullshit. That costs a lot but I’m not driving a garbage 60000$ truck

Been a Chevy guy since the 60's. I sold my 2010 Silverado after it started having issues. Glad I did also. Not completely out of the GM arena as we are driving a 2015 Traverse. No issues with it. Nice little car.

@justin, we do too. No major issues with our blazer

Just curious, how many miles are on your truck?

Just because you eliminate it software wise, doesn’t stop the problem. The crap components are still chugging along in your block.

@@TheSundaeDrive Just about to roll over to 149K

Awesome!

I've got a 2011 5.3 Tahoe that just past 180,000 and didn't have any lifter problems yet but i did need to get a new transmission at 150,000. I did get the range technology thing around a year ago and i will say that the range thing makes a difference. Before installing it i was losing at least 1 and 1/2 quarts of oil each oil change now its around a quarter of a quart of oil each change and its smooth now. Before i could feel the engine going frpm 4 cylinders to all 8 and it tows better too.

agreed - nice to see someone stepping up to hold GM accountable. It is crazy how many 6l80s fail

Triton spark plug launch was my last straw with my low mileage POS F-150 and put me into the Tundras.

I'd take a 6l80 before another 4l60 though 🤣

It's actually not the trans that fails initially, it's the torque converters then it gets run through the trans and wipes it out

@@dumasmcgee true. My cousin 6l90 converter did the same

Unfortunately it is the epa and regulations driving the inclusion of tech like this.

@@TheSundaeDrive yes sir. I'm a diesel mechanic and none of the epa regulated technology works the way they claim it should. Nothing but problems with it but at least in this case were not talking about catastrophic engine failure. The dealership limited the carbon emissions to the exaust and external parts. GM just keeps repeating the same failure over and over at the cost to the consumer. At least try something different. What they're doing is infuriating.

Three reasons E P A.

At least you didn't say Ford...lol

@@slowzuki lol no that's sac religous right there

exactly. It is a bad design

Can you delete this with a chip that plugs into the OBD2 port?

You can disable it but doesn't fully prevent the failure although a lot of guys have great luck with it.

We'll keep you updated for sure! Best of luck. I did my delete at 108K lol

@Gold Standard, I have a 2015 GMC Sierra 1500. My lifter went out in August 2021 out of the blue. Truck was at 145k miles. The dealer wanted $15k for a new engine after taxes. We were able to talk them down to $6500 with labor and tax because there was no way we were going to pay that markup. So they put a new engine, and I got the warranty 100,000 or 3 years. Long story short, I’m looking into getting the range afm delete. You’re right about the engine being a ticking time bomb. I hear a click every time I move from a dead stop sounds like it’s from the chasis and then my suspension is fine but when I go over those rough concrete speed bumps I hear an audible (can crushing) kind of sound from the front and rear suspension. And I go over those slowly lol. But yeah, keep us updated. And merry Christmas to you and your family.

my 16 silverado ticked in v4 mode for a while and eventually the lifters on the passenger side went solid and messed up my camshaft and damn near blew my whole engine. in hopes that they don’t go bad, but if they do get the DOD delete kit from texas speed and just bypass the afm issue all together that’s what i did and the truck runs better than before!

Interestingly enough the Service Manager at my dealership told me to get the Range AFM disabler. He didn’t trust the AFM. He put the Range on his Silverado.

@alfonso merry Christmas to yours as well and best of luck with the truck!

I owe a silverado 6.2 and at aprox. 10,000 I did dod delete thru the pcm. I changed the oil at every 5000 miles or 30% of oil life and still at 95000 my lifters collapsed.

Yeah, what's up with the frame rust????? I bought a 2015 in 2017 with 30000 miles on it and I had all sorts of rust already on the frame. Took it to the dealership and they're like we don't worry about rust in the south, but once they saw my truck frame there like "ouch!!"..... we'll take care of that

@@jimmyboy163 whatever you do don't get ziebart! I bought my 2014 two years old. All of the factory wax was coming off. I scraped rust and did rattle can undercoat and fluid film. Couple more years go by and OMG. I live in salty update NY. Thought maybe ziebart. Big mistake. I had it on a few years this fall I was under the truck taking it all off. It wasn't that hard. It cracks and water and salt get behind it. I used rattle can Rust-Oleum rust reformer and Rust-Oleum paint and fluid film all over and in the frame rails. It looks good. It is a constant battle. I only have 50K miles so rust will eventually win. Joe p.s. if you go at it get a needle scaler from harbor freight and a welding slag hammer. They do a good job getting I rust off.

So why then did you buy the truck in the first place along with why do you still own it? I had a 2015 6.2 8 speed that was a complete pile of garbage... so I sold it lol.

Thanks Joe! Extra oil changes is a good idea for sure but won't 100% prevent the failure, With that said, I think most owners don't have significant issues with the 14-18 afm systems. The percentage is way too high but most owners will probably trade in the vehicle before it gets to that point. Most failures occur after 100K from what I have seen in the comments but some do have failures as early as 30K. The 2019+ trucks have been having way more issues with the lifters. I think the suppliers may have changed or something

Lifter issues have been a thing since gen 3, then you have broken valve springs, piston slap on early LS, oil consumption etc.

Weell said @shem

Couldn't agree more 👍👍

Did the torque converter make a growling noise when going out?

Not necessarily…see I did my research before fully committing with the delete kit. Like I said I was already having small issues with Afm affecting the engine and transmission (throttle was super lagging in traffic, put unnecessary load on engine and transmission during v4-v8 downshifting/up shifting). So I knew I wanted to keep it in V8 mode because going down the highway or in traffic it ran wayyy smoother with all 8 cylinders doing what it was suppose to (running all the time). So I tried the range disabler just to keep it in V8 mode and it worked great. Trans shifted much better, no unnecessary load on engine and trans during downshifting, and overall just better driving experience in V8 mode. Then like I said trans and afm lifter finally gave up (not due to range, but faulty torque converter and bad lifter/cam). After everything I went through and experienced I knew it was time to do the full delete on the AFM system. I went with a Brian Tooley Racing delete kit that replaces the cam various options on this), all lifters (with a hydraulic LS7 Style lifters instead of the afm style lifters) and I did new pushrods just as an extra precaution. Then you have to go into the ecm and turn off AFM from engaging. I live in Charlotte NC but I’m going against traffic in the mornings to go out of the city. So it does great cruising to work on the highway about 19-21 mpg and my “city driving” is going back home on country roads until I get into the city. Which like I said averages about 16-18 in city. Not trying to sell people on the swap because I know people who haven’t had issues with their trans/afm. I just rest easier at night knowing I don’t have to deal with another collapsed lifter.

@@anthonymeza8794 yes it did. It was kinda funny because i drove it like 45 minutes straight (no issues or noises whatsoever). Then on the way back it sounded like it was having an issue staying in overdrive. Like rev bouncing on highway/growling a little in 5-6 gear. I was dumb and babied it home, but since the torque converter was the issue, the trans wouldn’t have survived anyway. It happened around 115,000 miles which typically when you’ll see trouble with the 6L80 torque converters. So got a new trans with 100,000 mile warranty. I also did a trans flush about 3,000 miles before the torque converter acted up, so don’t know if that helped lead up to the torque converter failing. I’ve always been iffy about trans flushes anyway.

Thanks for that info!

@John Brennan congratulations on this full on conversation with yourself with all your complaints. This hillbilly engineer has been working on cars his whole life, but you know, thanks for the new handle name. I kinda like it ☺️ @hillbillyengineer

Have a buddy with a couple Dakotas and loves them

I like to find one that was around 2000 square body … Good trucks 240k plus

Same issues with my 2008 5.3 silverado

Good to know.

Try to remember!

Good tip, I'll be sure to mention that in some future videos.

Sadly they won't. The new v8s have cylinder deactivation on all 8 cylinders and are failing even more frequently

I had a 2012 Chevy 1500 that I had to rebuild the engine at 95000 miles! It cost me $4800 to do! I have always been a Chevy fan but after this I was so mad I went out and bought a 2019 laramie longhorn!

Do you pump gas with the truck on? If so, evap issue fixed...

still a risk but it definitely helps!

Have you had any problems with your condenser? Mine went out and I was reading it happens in the 2014 models.

@@downsouthallah4800 yes its a very common thing on the 2014-2019

@@downsouthallah4800 I did back at 45k and I was still under warranty so the dealer fixed that for me I bought the truck in the winter with 41k on it summer came around and I was pissed I didn't have ac

The afm honestly does little to help fuel economy, maybe 1-2 mpg gain at most. It is the dumbest thing gm has ever done. The 2.7 l turbo 4 might top it in a few years though if gm continues to put it in the Silverado, it’s a doomed engine from the start.

It helps. Doesn't prevent failure entirely but it helps

This is what I did on my 2011. Best sounding 2011 engine I've ever heard. It definitely works.

That's so frustrating. As soon as I was out of warranty I deleted mine.

Good inside knowledge. It is pretty crazy and yet they just keep making it the same way

I agree, despite the issues I still like mine. It's a great platform to build on but they use a lot of cheap components for sure

They all have issues sadly. Pretty telling that your wife doesn't want you getting a truck from the company she works for tho lol. They all need better quality control and better suppliers.

You must have the 8 speed trans and thats also is very common, you need a trans flush with that special hp fluid which by the way is expensive per quart

@@kennymartinez973 nope I have the 6 speed. Everything I've read and watched commen on the 6 speed. My brothers is same way and guy beside us at our seasonal camping sight is same. They both say it's always jerky and strange shifts

That stinks man. It is really a ticking time bomb with the newest gen

Same mileage as mine I switched to royal Purple oil and try to change my oil more regularly around 30% or so I change it at. The royal purple is sold in a 8 pack on Amazon too unfortunately since my last oil change the price has jumped up a bit. Anyways I had that small lifter tick mainly heard it in drivethrus next to a wall idling. Since the royal purple tho the tick has been gone. Fingers crossed

I don't trust the new ones yet. I might consider a 23 or 24 but the 22s have too many problems. Honestly tho, If the truck has been good to you, I would do an AFM delete and a torque converter swap and keep it for another 100K.

Amsoil is great too. That's all I use. I made it to 108K without any issues then I did an AFM delete.

Please drive your truck in M5 drive mode from here on out!!! It disables AFM and keeps it in V8

I had Nissan Titan 2006 Zero issue until i sold it with 227k miles, i bought 2017 Silverado 102k miles now and the lifters start tapping when the oil gets hot, transmission shudder. I will not buy any GM products, will find out Toyota tundra or go back to Nissan Titan aging.

very true and good summary of the issue. I know there are a lot of QC issues going on right now and sadly I'm not sure if we will ever get back to having quality parts. Maybe Johnson lifters are the way to go but not sure if they are as good as they used to be either.

Some much Chinese junk in the market place!!! CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!!!

100 percent correct, I recently built a LQ4 with comp cam lifters and it took about 100 miles for them to pump up completely.

@Knott Bobby tell me about it, 15 years in the business and never have I seen such terrible "entry-level technicians". Absolutely no tools, no pride I. Thier work, no work ethic, and no capacity to accept constructive criticism.

I hope you did an AFM delete in it first

Hit the nail on the head

Same with diesel engines, egr and def systems are just taking life out of the engines and make them consume more fuel. All because of government mandates. If anyone needs to get sued it’s the government.

@@abmtz8537 the government makes rules and standards, manufacturers do what they need to do meet them, often making faulty technology like you mentioned, and then government supports and mandates it, not having a clue of what the outcome will be

rofl - not yet

Normally it is loud ticking sounds that indicate a failure, you have something going on for sure tho

Holy cow. That stinks. I would talk to a lawyer for sure.

Frustrating for sure. Any major issues otherwise?

@@TheSundaeDrive Both cat converters needed replaced at 54,000k $1,400 but warrantied and the oil sender went bad at 55,000k $950. Two DOD repairs @ $3,500. Tail lights all stopped @ 82,000k. $550 to rewire, circuit boards and bulbs. I gave up at DOD failure and owed too much to sell. So had to pay for 2 years while it rotted in yard and I drove my GF car. Bought anew 2018 Ram and ended my 30 years of Chevy trucks. Looks like 2021 and they are still making the same junk.

I have a 2008 GMC 5.3 Z71. With 70k on it. I have a work truck so dont drive personal truck all the time. Now you got me nervous.

Good notes. Thanks!

Thank you, I have a 2021 GMC with 5.3. 7 k miles so far and ok, but will be going with the Mobil 1 hp trans fluid.

agreed! not sure why it doesn't

Will do!

Lol they have lifter and trans issue too. All makes suck now

i hope that fixes it for you

Agreed!

Agreed! Couldn't keep my 2017 Sierra over a year and a half cuz of all the issues

Definitely a lot of maintenance on these that should be needed in the first 150K (ideally longer)

definitely worth having the extended warranty for sure!

Don't get me wrong, I love my truck but it does have a lot of issues. I think most trucks do they are just different

Yup. Only the lawyers win

@John Brennan An afm lifter failed at 173000 km so not full prove at all. And before that I had 2 valve springs fail on my 2015 6.2.

@John Brennan Why would you compare a subaru. Why not compare to the ford f 150 5.0L, which is way more reliable. Yeah I've had alot of other issues with this truck as well but most of it has been covered under warranty, thank God. List of issues: heated steering wheel not working, both front heated seats not working, leaking radiator with updated thermostat housing, rear upper brake light condensation replaced three times. A bunch of recalls. Transmission shifting issues, flushed and replaced internal harness with temp sensor. Both oil cooler lines replaced three times. Vacuum pump low vacuum, updated with new revised part. Right rear wheel seal . Output transfer case seal. Rear diff input seal. Vlom gasket leaking radio stopped working. There's probably more I'm missing. I have this truck parked because I'm going to overhaul the engine and remove the afm due to lifter failure and possible cam grinded out.

@John Brennan It's a big deal when a dealer will charge a minimum of 2300 dollars for one lifter to be replaced when it does happen.

@John Brennan Are you from the USA? That might be the reason you're not seeing these issues..

My buddy's 2021 blew up at 6K miles. If you trade it in, you're better off with Ford, Dodge, or the 2.7T 4 banger if you go GM (which actually isnt a bad engine so far).

If you can't afford a full afm/dod yes. I would probably recommend doing the range. It won't fully prevent the failure but will probably help make it last a bit longer. Not a guaranteed fix tho

Yup just waiting for it to go out aswell. Has always shifted rough

I was hoping that when ac condenser went out, paint started peeling, and oil pump went out as well it was just a matter of time before lifters gave out man!

One can hope - time will tell

Good looking truck for sure.

Honestly would keep the truck if you can. Invest a bit to keep it going. They don't make them as reliable as that one anymore.

The body style of that era though....

which year tundra did you go with ?

@@TheSundaeDrive 2021. Tried proven reliable engine. Shifts smooth as butter 🧈. Might drink the gas ⛽️ but I can live with that. We’ll see how these new 22’s do eight reliability as time goes on. I have my doubts that 6cyl twin turbo battery electric hybrids are going to get 300K miles with basic maintenance

Nice. I'm curious to see how the next gen does. It has impressive numbers. Hopefully it lives up to the hype

@John Brennan I know several people who have made it to 300k on basic maintenance 👨‍🔧 . Fact

@John Brennan lol 😂 then you woke up.

agreed. 07-13 was worse imo

That's a good work around for sure

@@TheSundaeDrive It seems to be, that not very many people who own these vehicles, know this trick to keep them in V8 mode

Good to hear from a tech. Hard to know if we should believe the hype from the outside.

Please drive your truck in M5 drive mode from here on out!!! It disables AFM and keeps it in V8

It helps. Doesn't prevent failure but can help.

Could be the transmission tune

A lifetime warranty is pretty sweet - was that a dealer thing or did you have to pay extra for that?

I do not believe it does. I don't think the V6 got afm until 2016 but not positive about that.

Full delete is definitely best. I recommend GPI components. You have a newer ECU so it may require bench unlocking to tune it post install, not sure. Here is a full guide we put together. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9eemtOmqcCbhoE.html