All New Zipp 3Zero Moto Wheelset | GMBN Tech 'Geek Edition' First Look

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With a name more commonly associated with road cycling, it may come as a surprise to see Zipp release a pair of mountain bike wheels. Their pursuit of speed and aerodynamics has put them at the front of road bike wheel technology, and these MTB wheels follow in a similar innovative vein, featuring a single wall design heavily influenced by motocross bikes, hence the name. 3Zero Moto.
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The rims, made from Uni-stitch carbon weave, use an asymmetrical construction to offer the strongest wheel build possible; the single wall design allows the rim to deform around big impacts. Zipp says that this Ankle Compliance technology, should increase traction and smooth out rough terrain, whilst allowing lower tyre pressures and reducing rider fatigue. Lateral stiffness was not forgotten, remaining an important factor in Zipp's brief as of course, you'll still want to smash some turns!
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@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

What do you think of the Ankle Compliance Tech on these wheels? Blake has a great demo over on GMBN's First Look if you're struggling to understand 👍

@danytheunicorn95 5 жыл бұрын

me likey :)

@troyhall1274 5 жыл бұрын

So we spent a decade or longer making wheels stiffer and now we decided they should flex 🤔

@unzulaessig 5 жыл бұрын

just design

@lukerlaforest4039 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing wheels!!! Unfortunately, I'll need to win a contest to get some. Lol!😀

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

I guess its bring carbon wheels up towards the performance of top end alloy wheels... addressing one of their main issues, harshness. Given quality high end alloy wheels can have the same lateral stiffness and better compliance, for less money AND the same or even lower weight (carbon wheels weigh more than equivalent alloys), and can take a ding, not sure what the usp is, except for bling factor. Seems like 'reinventing the wheel'...literally! Hopefully it is tech that helps inform other areas where it is worthwhile

@brent4adv 5 жыл бұрын

As a former (motorcycle) enduro rider, I can appreciate the design. As an adult with a mortgage, I will decline from purchasing these wheels.

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

Fair enough Brent, it's a premium set of wheels and the price isn't for everyone. Hope you enjoyed the video 👍

@brent4adv 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech I did. Y'all always do great work. Love the channel and especially the tech content.

@ariel_monaco 4 жыл бұрын

Zipp is a SRAM subsidiary. Everything that's innovative comes from that brand. Simply amazing...

@davidmorris8121 5 жыл бұрын

I think these might be the sickest mtb wheels i've ever seen(looks, performance benefits, strength, Tirewiz integration). If i had that sort of cash, i'd order a set tomorrow!

@lenn675 4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the 80's bmx z rims.

@jeffbrunton3291 5 жыл бұрын

I'm still riding on some of those vintage Zipp wheels......

@ChrisCapoccia 5 жыл бұрын

that form of the tirewiz looks a lot nicer than the shape available for every other non-moto rim

@Beaker7425 5 жыл бұрын

Anyone here heard of Bouwmeester wheels? They introduced a similar product; 3 years ago. I don't think Zipp can claim to have come up with the concept of a single walled carbon MTB rim.

@adamkinsman6694 4 жыл бұрын

David Schwartz I have had a pair for 3 years.. I love them

@willbennett7107 5 жыл бұрын

Would love a pair of these beauties but not a cat in hells chance of buying them the single wall design looks amazing

@lukerlaforest4039 5 жыл бұрын

Those are some sick wheels! Added to wishlist! Lol You rock Doddy!

@Chrisozzz78 5 жыл бұрын

How does the tyre wiz cope with sealant? Loving the MTB related geekery!

@pympin87 5 жыл бұрын

i imagine you can probable tune the compliance with spoke tension as well

@JETZcorp 4 жыл бұрын

Good lord, that price is even more than I was expecting. I recently bought a whole 400 Husqvarna enduro bike for that much!

@wwaytobe 5 жыл бұрын

saw this pop up with Lapierre bikes, Looks Sick!

@ejayy.3x 5 жыл бұрын

Should I get the canyon spectral al 6.0 or the cf 7.0?

@Grunge_Cycling 5 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the shitstorm that is Zipp marketing, my MTB friends.

@troyhall1274 5 жыл бұрын

They are paying all the top channels to push their latest greatest.... All hype in my opinion

@smokefentanyl Жыл бұрын

Worth it, especially with the warranty. These would make a hard tail really shine.

@donhilton145 5 жыл бұрын

I think they are cool wheels... as for all the people complaining about the price its just a new wheel set not a mandatory thing you need to ride your trail. Bottom line get out and ride whatever you got your smile will be the same no matter the wheels unless they are tocoed

@jonathanzappala 5 жыл бұрын

I think the new tirewiz shape is great. But if I have an impact that hard, I’m a way far beyond the limit of how aggressive I would ever ride. I can make due with much lighter duty.

@ErwinMeulman 5 жыл бұрын

29er rim 595gram ( single construction, cheaper to produce) , XTR tubular rim 350gram

@Blortt5000 4 күн бұрын

Sooooo..., westwood wheels from a hundred years ago. High tech indeed.

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

Actually not as expensive as I was expecting. I put a $2000 wheelsey on my XC bike, totally worth it. My friend just bought a set of I9's for his Enduro this price. I just bought my bike, but I'd be tempted to add these to the bike at a later date as I'm sure my stock wheelset won't last.

@ericlewis1059 5 жыл бұрын

How would the rim be affected while running cushcores in them??

@FIGHTTHECABLE 5 жыл бұрын

Finally I can now ride my mountain bike with slicks.

@adanielweaver 5 жыл бұрын

Is tyrewiz compatible with cushcore? I'm a believer bow and love running 17/19 psi

@FreerideQuebec 4 жыл бұрын

According to Quartz's website, nothing says that it's incompatible...I just emailed them to be sure before paying that kind of money aha

@TaylorBrown-tb2kh 3 жыл бұрын

So would that mean for instance you wouldn’t need to run Cush core as well ?

@villimagg 5 жыл бұрын

These wheels cost as much as my bike does! 🤯

@mirolubos 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like edit crew is having fun. Last two videos with you they misplaced the banner at the end.

@ronanderson5736 3 жыл бұрын

How often do you need to true the wheels with all that flex going on?

@asia-wk4cf 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed! They look and sound the biz. Unfortunately, no money, no honey : (

@mulisha0351 5 жыл бұрын

are the hubs included in the wheelset as part of the warranty as well or is it just the rims alone?

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

Zipp say: "LIFETIME WARRANTY We are that confident in the durability that MOTO Technology™ provides. Each 3ZERO MOTO wheelset or rim includes a lifetime warranty for product issues that happen during your gnarliest Trail or Enduro use. Zipp 3ZERO MOTO Rims are backed by our lifetime limited warranty, which is valid for as long as you own the rims. This limited warranty is not transferrable and proof of purchase is required. For complete details see our limited warranty at www.zipp.com/service."

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

😬 (perhaps unsurprisingly) that's a 'no' then? Only rim is limited lifetime, as second line states? I guess wheelset 'includes' lifetime does not mean (legally) everything in it has this it seems?

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

I'm under the impression that the warranty covers the hub as they are only sold as a set.

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

11:50 says the whole wheelset is lifetime warranty.

@OlaCurtius 5 жыл бұрын

Best since sliced bred!!

@Coerced 4 жыл бұрын

so basically it rides like an alloy rim, but stiffer laterally?

@tbenallie 5 жыл бұрын

Are these rim designed with cushcore or tire inserts in mind? Or are they ideally designed to be ridden without inserts as a result of the ankle flex on impacts?

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

Doubt it...alloy rims have 'ankle flex' (I.e. verticle compliance) fir decades...so still need a cushcore etc if u need one now...except the tyrewizz will get u to pump up your tyres to prevent bottoming...

@tbenallie 5 жыл бұрын

@@rupedog I was just curious if the ankle flex plus the rim flexing 5:43 was something that would have an affect on the punctures like the ENVE M-series pinch flat resistant rims. I know they'll never completely illuminate the use of tire inserts but it looks like they might reduce it in a similar way to the ENVE rims.

@tbenallie 5 жыл бұрын

But ya the tyrewizz would be a cool way to tinker with your pressure so's you could find an ideal balance of traction vs rim/tire protection. I tend to run higher pressures because I destroy sidewalls if I don't

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

@mhmm Tyre inserts can be beneficial for many reasons and this is a great question we can ask Zipp. The "Ankle Flex" is the ability to for the rim to roll slightly as opposed to just up and down vertical compliance and Rupert is right that the TyreWiz is a great way to optimise pressures with digital feedback.

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

@@tbenallie I suggest getting a rim protection insert then, and drop ur pressures. I dont go too.low as I dont like squirm...but 26 front 28 rear @ 90kg ride weight so far ok. +2psi for park or if I was somewhere v rocky. Seems ok to me, not sure tyrewiz will benefit anyone bar pro's, and 10g on your wheel is significant rotating mass, (thats car wheel balancing weight) esp with valve on top, if ur going fast only of course, but wouldn't leave one on... the shockwiz tho...different story...that really can help your avg rider make significant set-up gains...if the users reads the manual...seen pro online reviews and most of them get it wrong and make incorrect use assumptions = non-optimum set up! RTFM!

@v88dicky32 5 жыл бұрын

They remind me of Z Rims you got back in the 80's for high end BMXs. You could bend those all ways, no problem. Anyone remember them?

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

The Z-Rims went the other way though and were ultra flexible laterally. 🤔🤣

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech 😬 thats not good, lateral flex I.e. noodle wheels...!

@BTB_Works 5 жыл бұрын

Funny enough, this profile is reeeeeeealy similar with a bike trials rim made by trialtech( the sl rear rim) and i do have one of them sl rims(actualy 2) and if they stood up to trials , there is no question they will survive dh, enduro, etc.

@DesmosediciDK 5 жыл бұрын

where can i buy it in denmark or Germany ?

@sitonka303 5 жыл бұрын

Need a set now! Does the rim only version come with the tyrewiz thingy, or does it really mean rim only? Top vid doddy, love the geekmbn shows

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

The TyreWiz in an optional extra with the rim only version. Thanks for the awesome feedback! 👍

@Montblanc1986 5 жыл бұрын

Nails in the Shimano coffin, I just got the new XTR but SRAM sells everything but a frame... and it all fits like Apple stuff...

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

I think u have predicted the next new product...a frame..and complete bikes with all sram...eagle, guide, reverb, zipp, truative finishing kit...boom...

@philmean5603 5 жыл бұрын

@@rupedog Let the recalls begin!!

@joelderham9945 5 жыл бұрын

#GMBNTECH don't forget us Australians when doing the pricing of things

@nicoleanderson9232 4 жыл бұрын

Like the idea how well does the rim tape seal over the nipple ends in a single wall rim ? Its a pity the mtb industry insislt on using presta valves ( road bike valves good for 100 psi plus ) and just my opinion 30mm is still to narrow . Bike industry need to copy more moto tech .

@Malio75 5 жыл бұрын

I’m sure the wheels are fine and all, but that Tirewiz tech is outrageous! It may be worth the 200 bucks as a stand-alone product for many if it performs as advertised. .

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

They do sell it as a stand-alone product under the Quark brand, but it looks way nice when integrated with this rim.

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

Just run tyres as low as u can without getting squirm/roll, rim impacts, or burps for ur trails, weight and style of riding...simple. suspension has so much more to adjust/variables, shockwiz is v worth it (hire one). This thing, answers a silent question imo

@Malio75 5 жыл бұрын

GMBN Tech they are indeed very nicely integrated with a very nice product. Looking forward to the reviews!

@_Steven_S 5 жыл бұрын

For 200 bucks I'd want it to know what pressures I needed AND adjust them on the fly 😀

@Malio75 5 жыл бұрын

@@_Steven_S wait a couple of years. :-D

@edrcozonoking 5 жыл бұрын

Where is the giveaway???????

@motarded4214 5 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time seeing the benefit of these wheels over competitor's wheels, especially at their price point. That being said, I don't see any reason to spend the extra scratch on carbon wheels for mountain biking. Good quality alloy wheels provide the same benefits as these, for half the price.

@ChannelZeroOne 5 жыл бұрын

@8:55 52 points of engagement and 6.9 degrees for a $2000 wheelset is disappointing. Seems like they are reusing the DT swiss free hub.

@Dude-Smellmyhelmet 5 жыл бұрын

True but if it's DT ratchet type, it's easy enough to upgrade

@Esteb858 5 жыл бұрын

I believe DT Swiss Star Ratchet comes in 18t, 36t and 54t so Zipps 52 points of engagement wouldn’t be from DT Swiss.

@ChannelZeroOne 5 жыл бұрын

Either way 52 points or 6.9 degrees should not go with a $2000 wheel set. Maybe in 2001, LOL.

@sztigirigi 5 ай бұрын

Points of engagement have NOTHING to do with the quality of the hub. It's just a feature. Too many points of engagement will cause your 20000 EUR suspension to work like shit. For enduro and DH less is better. For XC slightly more PoE is better. What Zipp did here is ok but for this application they could have done with less PoE.

@ChannelZeroOne 5 ай бұрын

@@sztigirigi E-bikes fixed all this. No need for any points of engagement now...

@cruzanbum3108 5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant but what about us non-enduro riders and racers? We've got bank accounts too! XCO riders unite!!

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

Lots of lightweight options for XC racers. My Stan's Valor we're something like 1300g!

@barefootmtb1338 5 жыл бұрын

Need a recommendation for tire pressure in my 27.5 x 2.8 tires what’s a good pressure to start at for tec single track any one with input please leave me a suggestion thanks all.

@thelonewolf3515 5 жыл бұрын

Start by 30 or 28 psi and play around with it. Go down with the pressure until you find the perfect feeling for your riding

@barefootmtb1338 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks I’ve been to low then I’m 275lbs and 18 is what I started with that sounds a lot smarter

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

It's very much depends on the conditions out on the trails, riding style, rider weight and a bit of personal preference. Softer pressures offer more grip but can squirm in corners or even burp off the rim. Harder pressures roll faster but increase rider fatigue and offer less grip. A good quality pressure gauge and experimentation out on the trails is a great way to find out what works for you. The Shockwiz offers the most detailed look at tyre pressures when out on the trails and can help recommend settings.

@willbennett7107 5 жыл бұрын

100psi

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech u mean tyrewiz? Must add, to not propagate the myth...Harder tyres only roll faster on hard smooth surfaces, tarmac, smooth dirt, etc...trails with small bumps (roots, rocks etc), I.e. off road chunder, harder tyres roll slower as tyre is 'micro-chocked'... it has an opposite force created from the impact which slows it (aside from loosing control as it bounces off, causing rider to slow) This 'chock' effect is lower where the tyre can deform around the rock etc due to being softer.

@nzzgcg4217 5 жыл бұрын

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee buddddddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

@EnduroPo30 5 жыл бұрын

They look like old doublewide rims

@WaechterDerNacht 5 жыл бұрын

Gonna need a wage raise to buy them... don't know if the boss will be happy if you ask him for a raise just to buy a set of wheels :-P

@jameshartley3915 5 жыл бұрын

Hi guys

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

👋

@jameshartley3915 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech good video love dem keep it up

@Belifranko 5 жыл бұрын

How is it that they cost more in euros, even though euros are worth more than the US dollar?

@jochenkraus7016 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe € with tax and $ without.

@migatron1 5 жыл бұрын

Jochen Kraus Very likely

@scottmcmillan3655 5 жыл бұрын

VAT tax

@Belifranko 5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, currently $1999 is 1775€. With a tax of 17% in Germany (where I'm from) that would be 2076€

@OutdoorsJustin 5 жыл бұрын

So if you want a rim that flexes more, should you just stick with aluminum and save yourself a pile of cash?

@BlackPenquinn 5 жыл бұрын

justin the idea is to get the strength of carbon with the compliance of aluminum.

@David-rb3tk 5 жыл бұрын

Really like that channel and all it's various cousins. But they are becoming harder to watch as they morph into informercials.

@andrewnelson3276 5 жыл бұрын

Not the first to offer single wall carbon rims: noblwheels.com/shop/nobl-tr45-wheelset-27/ The big problem is you need to add a lot of extra mass to make a single wall rim be strong enough, even in carbon.

@jonienglish3231 5 жыл бұрын

Single Wall RIMS ACS Z Rims !!!!!!!!!!! BMX

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

The ACS Z Rims were literally designed to fold in half 😳 so would be terrible in corners when MTBing. These are stiff laterally but offer a bit of roll (Sram call this Ankle compliance) and vertical compliance.

@jonienglish3231 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech - I mean SAME PROFILE if the z Rims were made of Carbon would be just as Strong , we talking 80s tech vs 2020 tech

@hedemalmcarl 3 жыл бұрын

JESUS CHRIST THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE

@chargeriderepeat7024 5 жыл бұрын

Theres plenty of peiple out there with the cash. I got talking to a guy who spent more on his suspension than my entire ebike cost

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

Was he any faster than you? Uphill also? 😁

@chargeriderepeat7024 5 жыл бұрын

Tbh he was in his sixties, so no, not either way, but it was a really nice bike...shame someone who could actually use it didnt own it.

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

That's rad though, being still into bikes and out shredding in his sixties!

@ChePennyDK 5 жыл бұрын

Wish they would start selling rims, for a starter I need a dynamo hub in the front, preferably a SON, very few brands sell them outside wheelsets, it's annoying and too expensive, when I only need the rims lol

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

They are selling both complete wheels and a rim only option 👍

@ChePennyDK 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech Ok, never seen a Zipp rim sold loose at any of the retailers I use, need to be inside EU or I get raped in customs heh :) bike24.com is the one I use most, they have only wheelset so far, and not a single Zipp rim for sale. Zipps own homepage, doesn't even have a rim section... But this is good news, maybe there is hope hehe :=) Just found the price 700 dollars per rim, pressure sensor 200 per pair, so that's 1600 for rims and sensors, 2K for the whole wheelset, makes it almost pointless :(

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

@@ChePennyDK Yes it's better value to get a complete wheel set but it's good they have the option as you may wan't to build around some ultra fancy hubs. Check your local Sram dealer as they will be able to get them 👍

@ChePennyDK 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech Maybe in a year or 2 if I can find em on a clearance sale heh, Praxis sells a carbon rim for 400. But it all depends on the frames that appear on the market, wether I end on MTB or a gravel frame. The NAHBS showed a lot of boutique brands showing MTB fat bike hardtail titanium frames with cyclocross / gravel geometry + rack and fender mounts, most of these just cost 3-4 K USD some only in steel at that price, just need some of the bigger brands to pick this up and sell for 700-1000 USD / EUR. This is my current plan, I have rust on my current steel commuter, so I'm on borrowed time on when I have to pull the trigger for a new frame. Just waiting for the right sale :) And yes yes, I know this is the mountainbike channel, but we're all bike brothers :) www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/FRPXTIGRV3/planet-x-tempest-v3-fm-titanium-gravel-road-frame www.huntbikewheels.com/collections/dynamo-wheels/products/hunt-30-carbon-dynamo-disc-wheelset

@turningpointauto 5 жыл бұрын

When you thought you couldn't spend any more money on your mountain bike. There's your sign

@vcx_shockstreams7201 5 жыл бұрын

Now you can run triple suspension 😂😂

@cup_and_cone 5 жыл бұрын

Charging a premium for these is removing the whole purpose of why moto wheels are single wall to begin with....thus making it mostly marketing hype! Moto wheels are single wall aluminum simply because of cost/strength/width reasons. The purpose of the double wall was a lighter rim that's torsionally stiffer, but the risk was always pullout of eyelits since you've halved the thickness into two sections...hence newer designs have riveted eyelits or extra material. Single wall creates softer wheels in radial compression (less cracked rims) and beefs eye lits without extra production steps at the expense of heavier rims. It's also a lot cheaper to produce single wall because the extrusion is simplified for aluminum rims, and the hand layup is simplified for carbon rims not needing the internal bladder. I suspect these will sell well with the weekend warriors who don't see past marketing, but it's a hard pass for me.

@bradillingworth 5 жыл бұрын

These aren't designed for moto and they're not punted as economical. It's a premium wheelset designed for performance mountain biking. In alloy, this design wouldn't last very long on a mountain bike that's ridden aggressively with low (grip providing) pressure. Dirt bike tyres are also far tougher and you have ample torque to cope with the weight. On a (normal) mountain bike, tyre weight needs to be kept to minimum and therefore as system, the performance requirements of the rim are altogether different. If you ran alloy rims of a similar design with currently available tyres, at 'suitable' pressures, it won't be long before those alloy rims are trashed.

@keykeyscales 5 жыл бұрын

Holy crap. 1,999 dollars that’s half the price of my bike shifjebsufi

@JoseCastillo-cn4dc 5 жыл бұрын

The background music to load

@nickwatkins5227 5 жыл бұрын

Gob smacked 😬

@user-nr6dh7li1g 5 жыл бұрын

US Dollar ist cheaper, than euro, man)

@matthewstyer5587 5 жыл бұрын

These wheels look fantastic and I can understand how much time,design and cost has been spent but surly this company needs to understand that they are selling a set of wheels for same price as,say a six month old Whyte G170 bike!!!! Or a six month old Trek Remedy 8!! This sport is out pricing itself through greed! More people are taking part yet the cost is going up for everything!!!

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

Push 11-6 shock is $1200. For some people, it's worth the expense. For others, it's not.

@matthewstyer5587 5 жыл бұрын

Joshua Tootell But it’s not £1850 for a set of wheels is it?! You’d struggle to get a decent six month old AM mountain bike for $1200 that’s my point my friend

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

The wheels on my old XC bike were $1950@@matthewstyer5587

@matthewstyer5587 5 жыл бұрын

Joshua Tootell Well, you really don’t need to tell me anything more about urself because I’ve now made my own mind up! Have a good day!!!

@Phil..._ 5 жыл бұрын

I'd want something quite a bit lighter for that kind of money

@katietrotter9374 5 жыл бұрын

There aren’t any options significantly lighter than that in the aggressive trail/enduro category, especially if these can replace tire liners that are needed in other rims. We’re not talking about xc wheels here...

@Phil..._ 5 жыл бұрын

@@katietrotter9374 Stans no tubes are super light, and at a similar price, Katie. DT Swiss also do a super light carbon. Admittedly neither of those have this new flex feature, which will make these popular with people who do hard/ fast rocky riding. I'm just a trail rider, so that feature has far less value for me.

@katietrotter9374 5 жыл бұрын

Phil R a Stan’s flow mk3 wheelset in 29” weighs 1905 grams. Basically the same weight as the zipp Moto. You can’t compare zipps enduro wheel to Stan’s and DT Swiss’s xc and trail wheels. 1900 grams is about what’s expected for tough enduro wheels, regardless of material.

@RGCastro7 5 жыл бұрын

I have Roval Traverse SL wheels on my bike. Under 1600 grams for the set, and they've been awesome so far.

@jackadler5941 5 жыл бұрын

I love them, but my wallet says no.

@willbennett7107 5 жыл бұрын

How much are these

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

Pricing is mentioned in the video John 👍

@willbennett7107 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry must have been wiping my backside whilst on toilet

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

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@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

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@HaveFunBikes 5 жыл бұрын

That kind of money puts me away. Where I live, it's almost a year of minimun wage only for the rims. The life warranty is a plus. The pace where new boost, boost+, superboost and other things boost, kind of moves the lifetime warranty from the rims itself. So for me, only in dreams. Or if anyone could send a pair.... And a bike that fits, I will ride the crap out of it!

@jeffblessing1 5 жыл бұрын

Or, you could just buy aluminum rims that weigh less and offer the same compliance.

@normanmommu1 5 жыл бұрын

HEAVY!!!

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

We would say they are a good weight for an aggressive Enduro/ Trail wheelset.

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech yes, thats a fair appraisal/way to put it. lighter than some carbon enduro rated wheels, but same or slightly heavier than many similar spec (top end) alloys. They look sexy tho, and great they have got the compliance now to get closer to good alloy wheels... but I am missing the usp over a pair of £700-1000 alloys...like dt's or Hunts (MBR Feb 19 test winner v carbon and high end alloy), and British made💪👏👏👏

@aminrazawan482 5 жыл бұрын

Carbon rims are awesome and very light. But they sometimes break. If you're racing and you break a rim, it's all over.

@enuazeal 5 жыл бұрын

you have lifetime warranty :)

@jochenkraus7016 5 жыл бұрын

But the race is also over if you break an alloy rim. Every time I read discussions about durability of certain materials, I'm reminded that the only bike frame I ever broke was made of steel. On the other hand, I still made it home with that frame ;-)

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

They are mostly not lighter...top end alloy wheels are often the same or some lighter... a myth carbon wheels are all much lighter, comparing like for like...check out MBR Feb 2019 wheel test, v much same...the dt swiss alloys were lightest on test.. plus perseonally my race face turbine R alloy wheel set is lighter than the race face next carbon wheelset, both on same hubs, but cost under £900, half that of the Next wheels. Both enduro rated. Carbon wheels have to be material intense to be suitable for wheel use without impact fracturing in 'normal use', so they save no real weight...and (until now) gain harshness. Carbon main frame yes, wheels alloy tho

@JoshuaTootell 5 жыл бұрын

Don't buy weight weenies wheels for your DH bike, problem solved!

@raheemgahelable 5 жыл бұрын

You need weight to gain strength, buddy , especially in that aspect! Too scary in my opinion

@JAFO. 4 жыл бұрын

Home audio rip-off sales profits have nothing on Bicycle profits, $2000? - for what, a couple hubs worth maybe $150 each. 64 spokes worth what, a dollar each? two squishy circles of carbon worth what, $100 each? Labor to build of $1365?? It'$ all gone nut$.

@tom6493 5 жыл бұрын

Look nice till you notice the spokes are interlaced on the 3rd cross...shoddy, amateur wheel building at its best. Go and have another look at an MX wheel boys.

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Tom, In cycling in general we see a wide range of spoke patterns from 4 cross down to 0 cross (though this is only really ever seen in Track and Road bikes with rim or no brakes). We will do a video about spoke patterns and lacing at some point so this should help explain a bit about the pros and cons of different spoke configurations. MX wheels have a large hubs, larger spokes and a smaller rim diameter compared to mountain bikes or bicycles in general. When this is the case it's best practice to build with less spoke crosses to avoid stressing the spokes in key areas such as the nipple and hub flange. It's also not practical to build a MX wheel with more crosses due to the limited flex in the spoke.

@tom6493 5 жыл бұрын

GMBN Tech firstly, I build wheels as part of my love for all things two wheels (mtb, bmx, mx etc) and have built them for all disciplines, therefore I’m fully aware of the multitude of lacing patterns. Secondly it seems you have completely missed the point about my comment, it’s quite clear it’s a 3X pattern which is pretty much the standard, as it gives flexibility as well as good torsional rigidity for its weight (for the extra weight of 4X, you don’t gain much strength). What I’m referring to is on the 3rd X, the outer spoke is laced ‘under’ the inner spoke. This is wrong for two reasons, 1. Spokes work in one direction and in tension only from nipple to hub (this is why straight pull rather than ‘J’ bend spokes are preferred but hubs are more costly to manufacture) when the spokes are bent round each other a lateral load is placed on them, which will require more tension as the spoke is now fighting to straighten itself. This can result in premature failure. Lateral stiffness is only achieved by decreasing the angles of the spokes with wider flanges etc. 2. As is obvious from 1. It causes the spokes to touch and as the wheel flexes, they will rub which causes wear, which causes (again) premature failure. Motorcycle wheels are not built like this, not because the hubs, spokes and rims are bigger (trust me, I’ve seen people interlace motorcycle wheels, it’s not nice) they’re built that way because maths and engineering dictate that. If you don’t believe me, maybe you should ask Mavic, as ALL factory built Mavic wheels are built correctly. The only reason for interlacing is for speed of building, nothing else (it’s self supporting so the rim can be offered up to the spokes). Lastly, if this is Doddy I’m replying to, you’re not the all-knowing font of cycle knowledge you’d have this generation believe, I remember when you were doing articles in MBUK about how to wear a belt buckle 😂

@casualmtbrider4442 5 жыл бұрын

first

@gmbntech 5 жыл бұрын

🏁🏆

@radekst5279 5 жыл бұрын

wow, you win a pickle...

@rupedog 5 жыл бұрын

@@radekst5279 is it a gmbn tech pickle?

@radekst5279 5 жыл бұрын

@@rupedog no, Casual Mtb Rider win a pickle for be a first one...

@tanpen15 5 жыл бұрын

$2000 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@kasen8085 5 жыл бұрын

Is McDonald’s a religion

@TheProjectX3 5 жыл бұрын

Aggressive marketing from ZIPP with their BS technology.

@davidkline4372 5 жыл бұрын

Useless. There's a sucker born every minute. 2000 bucks to avoid pinch flats and adjust the pressure to some nth degree? Thanks but I'll keep my money for something useful.