I actually didn't think of it that way. That's really cool.

It's cool but wrong. Unleashed potential is not a kai technique. The elder kai gained the ability from a potara fusion with a witch.

@@blackheart4360 is it really that difficult for people to comprehend that Beast has been within Gohan since he was born?

Imagine the form literally being called BEAST Gohan and not linking it to his rage power he's had since he was a child.

@@priestesslucy3299 yeah. But unleashed potential was one that was gained magically through a witch power.

Forms make that money. (But not manga content, apparently since we still don't have Morro or Granolah stuff in any if the games.)

Final literally means the same thing as Ultimate which is why they changed it to Beast

@@Mandalore_ultimate Love me some Gohan though!

Final Gohan sounds far better

@@spritvio639i think the official standing is that they wont appear until they get adapted into the anime first. The anime is what has the furthest market reach, plus by then they would have a voice actor already

I would be bold and say Gohan would be the strongest of all mortals in all universes.

Between him or Broly but I put it on Gohan with his fighting experience and techniques, along with his high intelligence.

​@@ltreanor99 facts

Piccolo established that throughout the movie

That's like Gohan's whole thing

Piccolo tapped into his Orange form 2 times, the second being when Cell max was about to step on a deceased Gamma 2. As for Gohan, i personally would like if Gohan can't tap at it at first, but has to train constantly and get mad to unleash that power

Yeah that would be corny asf. I also hope they don't nerf their new forms down the road as well.

As for Gohan that's fair too. Show us his grind leading up to him using it at will, mastering it.

Nah. Not Orange Piccolo, at least

@@Nidas3Hunnid bruh I NEED them to show us his grind because when he did that shit out of nowhere I was annoyed more than enthused lol

But broly like to fight so we probably gonna know

Can't wait for a potential Gohan an broly fusion

Hmm a Broly and Gohan fusion a very can do challenge for Gogeta

@@ghosttemplar6989hell no

@@damariannmbati2598 Broly was still putting up at least some kind of fight against Gogeta Blue. Gohan / Broly fusion that combines Beast with Berserker would SHIT on Gogeta lmao. Brohan or Groly would break Universe 7.

It's honestly amazing how well he pulls off the Clark Kenting in DBSSH. Dude is not completely neglecting his training but in casual mode he looks like a skinny nerd who barely works out

It’s still such an asspull of a transformation imo… He goes from barely trained to stronger than Goku within minutes… At least in the Cell arc he has serious training alongside his latent potential to justify him being the strongest…

He’s really not. He’s still the same lazy dork he’s always been. The form is to sell merch.

@@sunshinekid7799 maybe so but that doesn't stop him from doing what he got to do to protect his love one's from harm or any kind of danger.

@@JayJay5244 Gohan did say that he had been training in secret tho. Also Gohan has always had insane rage boosts so it’s nothing new really.

@@JayJay5244 he had said in the movie that he was practicing to perform his own special beam canon (ki control) plus during the moro fight he was able to fight 7/3 seven three was beating on goku and vegeta it shows throughout that it ain’t really like that

Broly and Gohan are beasts/freaks of nature. Though I do think Broly has more potential that Gohan.

What about GoBro?

No connection between Broly and Gohan. Plus Gohan has Future Trunks. Broly is by himself.

Ironically, this is a bit of an issue when it comes to giving everyone distinct paths: Broly and Gohan have basically been sharing a path the whole time. I'd be more interested in seeing how they can diverge before seeing them merge.

Gohan has Future Trunks

And becomes stronger than everyone else with zero training.

@@frenchfriedbagel7035 Gohan gets stronger when he gets mad that's his whole character when Gohan fought raditz he didn't have any training and he was stronger than Goku and piccolo

I mean, he hasn't been 'fearful' since Frieza saga - when he was FIVE YEARS OLD on a life or death mission against the Emperor of the Universe or whatever - so calling him a 'wuss' is way beyond a reach.

He's just a pacifist who wants to live a normal life, can't blame em

@@battay5942 this time is different, gohan got a brand new form that is equal with mui with zero training! the other rages boost were just a boost... the only rage powerup gohan got was ssj2, but that is justified. gohan beast sucks.

Broly is the real freak of nature being influenced by Hulk...yes Gohan always had power potential buy thats not an excuse for him to get random power ups without barely training or fighting

@@jasonhearn5818 bro gohan can surpass him. I stand by this. Bro if gohan can close the gap between SAYAIN GODS. HE can solo broly and take his girl.

@@manicityfps5150 Already did. Broly can probably surpass Gohan in return, but for now Broly is fodder to Beast Gohan

@@manicityfps5150 here’s the thing about broly not only can he close the gap quicker than a heart beat with his limitlesss immeasurable power he aslo adapts the more he fights gohan does still have more potential but if broly is able to control his ikari form and combine it with ssj broly would be probably the strongest in the universe that’s if gohan trains

@@primalgod7952 gohan can literally train for a day and surpass ssjb as seen in super. I get you but the evidence is gohan doesn’t need ALOT of training. Broly does. But I still get you. Now imagine if gohan and broly fuse 😱😱😱

It also shows an underlying sadistic nature in gohan like what we saw in cell saga which I don’t ever hear anyone discuss like gohan when he’s unleashed is not nice even goku holds back not to kill his opponent in his highest forms but gohan doesn’t I always found that interesting but no one seems to mention it

@@spoodyR3 that’s a really good point. dude enjoys the fight in a while different way when he’s into it

Yea he was smiling nd smirking lol my first time watching i thought it was weird, but Gohan always gets lost in a fight

To me it's like if Mystic Gohan is SSJ1 with Supreme Kai Ki and Beast Gohan is SSJ2 with Supreme Kai ki. Same way SSJB is SSJ1 but with God Ki. SSJ3 seems to only be achieved in the AfterLife or the Time Chamber like in a 4D dimension and not in a 3D dimension. Atleast those are my 3am Theories.

@@Haaton-of-the-Basement *smiles warmly, hugs and shakes her head* A pleasure to read your 3 AM theories. Something that... *muses.... oh and hey I'm drunk sorry!* interests me greatly is that even the Gohan Beast transformation was predicated by Piccolo's "death," and the variations we see during the ResF (mangavanime) and Gohan's reaction.... ...we're being shown that these people VERY genuinely know and are aware of the fact that "oh hey, you died yeah that sucks, you get a sundae courtesy of Radditz on your next trip etc." ..........but the issue isn't that they're lost and gone forever like death normally works. The real issue for these people is the pain they've been caused, that the experience isn't a vacation and "totally cool coz I know you'll be right back next week bro!" *looks down at her feet* This isn't exactly here or there I guess, just was something that's been stuck in my head for a long time. Someone I know asked my pastor "If God knew Jesus was going to just come back to life, what was sacrificed?" Real parents, real friends... you are going to sit there and watch your friend burn alive in agony and be like "It's fine it's a free respawn bro!" Thanks for letting me talk with you. Honestly, despite the anime's (obvious) canon/timeline issues for Goku in otherworld, I think the post Z era really handles SS3 quite well. It's a *MASSIVE* power boost, but it's almost like it's not "your's" .....the power's there, but you are not the deciding factor. Hell the entire transition to Super (to ME) embodies this concept. These folk are INSANELY powerful. I.... heh. I used to be a martial artist before my body gave out, and my brother (a teacher) was fifth in the world heavy weight "jiujutsu" competitor. At a year I won't say. And I'm a five foot three woman! I can do stuff! I can do stuff...... Sorry, I'm drunk and very sick, and quite tired. Nothing you said is wrong to me. The transformations lean more onto the Chi/Qi/Ki aspect of "what you are," the movement that makes you "you," while not directly structurally telling you that the "what" isn't the "who." Hopefully they believe you're at a point where your desire to learn exists, questions exist, and maybe we need to look into you a handful longer for raisins. I love raisins.

@@wren7195 That was wholesome to read. Appreciate it the thought.

The power of Super Saiyan is what Potential Unleashed releases. Given Toriyama's description, Gohan Beast is more than likely just a deeper potential within Gohan.

Xenoverse 2 (while non-canon) never allows features that are not possible for certain characters. By giving the Beast form to Earthlings, Namekians, etc, they confirmed that Beast has nothing to do with Saiyan heritage.

Facts

It’s still such an asspull of a transformation imo… He goes from barely trained to stronger than Goku within minutes… At least in the Cell arc he has serious training alongside his latent potential to justify him being the strongest…

@Roberto The Super Mutant Not true at all… Goku had to train under extreme conditions to achieve Super Saiyan. If he didn’t train the way he did he would’ve gotten himself defeated on Namek. Yeah it was triggered by rage but I highly doubt he would’ve been able to transform without proper training. Same with Super Saiyan 2 for both Gohan and Goku. Super Saiyan 3 was a form he trained so hard for, initially his mortal body was very limited in its use and he stated he could only effectively transform in his heavenly body. SSJG was kind of an asspull as well with this ritual and all but his blue form is definitely down to hard training, both physically and mentally. Same goes for UI

@@JayJay5244 Yeah, even if the reveal of SSB is incredibly underwhelming and out of left field. It’s gotten some explaination that it was due to training the god form enough to go super saiyan on top of it.

@Roberto The Super Mutant For me, the super saiyan form has own levels (SSJ1, Grade 2, 3, SSJ2 and etc) but each of them, can be obtained through certain conditions, (mostly physical conditions which you get them through training) mostly the rage are used as activation of the form itself... Since if the saiyan have the strength to transform but dont know the form nor have will for it, then their emotions are the alternatives to trigger the form (mostly happen for their first time transforming) Plus after Frieza arc when Super Saiyan became a thing, the writers made the form itself has ascensions/next stages to it which achieved through mastering the form, like the SSJ Grade 4 or Mastered SSJ and seeking deeper power within the form itself then thats where SSJ2 came along and further on, but they're still both super saiyan forms... It became has own variations

​@@JayJay5244"asspull" as you put it is literally gohan's character he's been doing it since the 1st episode of z and only trained seriously once that's why he sucks

Same here man.

It's obviously Toriyama making fun of himself like with SSJB

@@diegomedina9637 what's wrong with ssjb?

@@joeysullivanTM I remember SSJ God getting some flack because it was basically just a recolor instead of what everyone wanted... Which was essentially SSJ4 for no particular reason. So, what happens next? Next form is basically a recolored version of SSJ. Beast Gohan is clearly making fun to how back then SSJ and SSJ 2 would seemingly give the characters more hair than what they actually have. Biggest example of this is Goku in namek having what looks to be a lion's mane for hair when he went SSj for the first time. And SSJ 2 Gohan during the Cell games where his hair clearly grew double of what it was in his regular SSj form. For me best Toriyama is Toriyama when he's making fun of himself.

​@@diegomedina9637 I mean, he is the type of guy that cracks jokes.

But the issue with it being inspired by SSJ2 makes it feel like they’re just trying to bank of nostalgia to cover up for the loose writing for how he achieved the transformation in the first place.

​@@frenchfriedbagel7035 that is exactly it, they literally just took that bit of him transforming from the cell saga added Abit of spin to it and called it a new scene and transformation...oh but no the hairs longer and its white with red eyes! Not ssj2!!! I love the form dont get me wrong but it really came out of nowhere. I can't remember if piccolo died but I guess him nearly dying would make him angry since his seen it twice already

Gohan definitely needs to train with the Gods already, it's just ridiculous to not have him do that at all by this point.

@@hikothe14th if he has to train with a god, it needs to be with the Kais

Gohan and broly series setup coming 🤐 I would watch but probably be a long shot to replace have them be the replacement of Goku and Vegeta

Wait, i though he had already accomplished ss2 in the time chamber,. Thats why Goku easily had confidence in Gohan beating him.

@@emmanuelgutierrez8616 He tapped into SSJ2 in the time chamber but he couldn’t maintain it. Gohan didn’t even understand what he was doing when that happened, but Goku did. It wasn’t until the Cell Games he was able to maintain it via a big enough burst of rage.

Honestly that's my favorite explanation because I play dragon Ball xenoverse 2 and in the game other races besides sayians can use beast and this explanation perfectly explains what beast is because for the longest time I just thought it was potential unleashed mixed with super Saiyan 2

Only problem i have is how calmly he "tamed the beast" transformation. All felt it hard to hold on the new forms, but he was like no problem. The Special beam cannon made me not care about anything else, that was the most epic thing we ever seen.

Yooo love the dub legends content

I wish vegeta trained with him considering how much vegeta respects gohan would look good.

Great explanation

The Dragon Ball manga ended 5 years before Phantom Menace came out (1995 and 1999), but yeah, it cheapens the magic and drama and mystery in the exact same way

@@cosmosofinfinity It was not brought up in the original material. Toriyama mentioned it in an interview in 2017.

I completely agree although I think this transformation has to do with him tapping into God Ki from the ritual and both of the unlockings he has had overtime. It's him finally embracing what he is so reluctant on releasing.

@@Solo-Skywalker Gohan doesn’t have god ki at all. The ritual he underwent only unlocked his potential and didn’t give him the status of a god

@@123GOHANZ I'm talking about the ritual that gave Goku and Vegeta their God power

@@Solo-Skywalker The ritual only bestows God Ki to the person receiving the other saiyans’ power. Otherwise everyone involved would’ve gotten God Ki

@@123GOHANZ we already have an example of one of the other five acquiring God Ki.

This year is the worst year to be a dragon ball fan. Where does DB go next?

@@BigRobot69 Exactly

Unleashed potential is not a kai technique. Even unleashing someone potential isn't really either. The elder kai gained the ability from a potara fusion with a witch. So therefore a magic technique.

The way it works- something Geekdom doesn't understand - is that Saichoro unlocks the recipient's potential. That releases any power they should have now, and sets them up for a relatively easy future if they put in some work because there are no longer any limits they need to break. There's a reason Piccolo fell behind Goku and Vegeta even though the Nameless Namekian has far more potential than either, and it's because Saiyans have a racial hax to blast through their limits far more easily than anyone else in the heat of intense battle. What Elder Kai granted Gohan was the ability to Unleash his potential. That's different, it bypasses the effort entirely.

🤡☝🏼

@@mando7323 Hey, if a clown can be a G.O.D. then I ain't too mad there, little man

@@MaxiemumKarnage W comment. Other bro is trippin’.

Broly solos

@@FatKratos69 He does, but Broly is also our lord and savior of the franchise

I 💯% agree. Cause I happen to love both Beast Gohan & Orange Piccolo a lot. And I also hope they both get a proper fighting role, so that they can test out their forms more in the future as well.

Yea I hope we get a couple episodes of a fight with it so that a full moveset can be carved out for the video games. I would have loved to play him in fighterz

I mentioned that so many times but people laughed at me

Like Yin and Yang. Gohan is the Ultimate Warrior that Beerus dreamed of.

That scene had nothing to do with the Beast transformation. That aura only appeared in the anime version.

@@j04370859 common sense would tell you that’s where the inspiration for the form came from

@Marthouis Mcmiller The form wasn't inspired by it. Toriyama usually ignores the anime stuff and probably doesn't even watch the whole show. The only thing that was probably inspired was the aura, but not the form itself. That part in the Super manga of UI Goku and UE Vegeta powering up with their auras together looks exactly like Beast Gohan's aura also. This could just be a thing of unintentionally looking the same.

I mean Broly deals with rage too, but he's an exception being the lssj

With potential unleashed being magic that allows someone with massive power reserves to use that power in base form, it seems like beast is just a limit-breaking form beyond super saiyan. Pretty much ssj5, which is cool considering it's appearance

The irony is it’s basically a retread of his SSJ2 transformation.

@@frenchfriedbagel7035 yep. Sad but true.

Yess Sir!

Toriyama doesn't usually follow what Toei writes, but that could be true.

Perfectly said!

It's too late lol

Watch Heroes, he's canon to the Heroverse.

This is what I think as well. All these people trying to get all complicated. Its dragon ball simple is usually the way they go. The form literally looks like teen gohan ssj2 but with the white aura from his mystic form and the blue sparks replaced with red. The white hair is probably just a visual tie in to mix both forms together.

It even makes sense if you think about it. Mystic gohan was always just his base form maxed out to the full potential. No reason why he shouldn't be able to add super saiyan on top of it.

Dude, they literally showed and told us what potential unleashed is and how it works in both z and super. It's not a form, and it doesn't stack with ssj. It's magic that allows the user to draw out any potential power they have while in base form. Elder kai tells him to power up just like if he were turning into a super saiyan, and nothing happens. He remains in base, but his power skyrockets to a level beyond ssj3. In super, piccolo tells him to draw out the same power he used to fight buu, and they show us that accessing that power causes him to return to base while flickering in and out of ssj2. Dragonball isn't that complicated, but it's not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be. It's like how people assume ssb evolved is just ssb grade 2 because of the muscle mass, when realistically that form would just be a buffer blue with spikier hair. They go out of there way to show us that the form is full god ki just like god, instead of mixing super saiyan with god ki and perfectly balancing your ki like with blue

@@Amartin-mu6oj "return to base while flickering in and out of ssj2" no he just goes into mystic there is no flickering in and out of ssj2. In terms of not being able to stack i can maybe buy that based on the elder kais explanation in z. But just like they retconned the potara earnings in super I wouldn't put it past toriyama to forget that explanation and let it stack. This is what I mean about people thinking too hard about it. Toriayama literally names the new movie super super hero because he forgot the last series had super in it as well. You think someone like that wouldn't retcon his earlier vague explanation of mystic and let it stack?

@@jms974 Activating it would be a more accurate statement, since it literally is his base form, he's just accessing the ability to use all that stored power in base. If you watch the scene, he actually does flicker in and out of ssj2. Even if it were a typical transformation like ssj (which would defeat the whole point, elder kai used the technique on him so that he didn'thave to transform), he literally does flicker in and out of ssj2 in that scene, so what are you talking about? What's retconned is retconned, but this isn't one of those cases. Literally nothing has been retconned, this form works perfectly as a possible result of a high-potential saiyan undergoing the elder kai's ritual. I'm not sure why this concept is so confusing for people, the elder kai literally puts gohan through the ritual to avoid using any transformations. He tells gohan to power up as if he were going super saiyan, and literally doesn't transform. He remains in base form, but his power skyrockets to ssj3 level with none of the drawbacks the form comes with. They literally make it as easy as possible to understand.

This fandom's favorite phrase when there's something that they don't like in the series nowadays 😂

@@Mandalore_ultimate LMFAO Even Geekdom says this transformation only exists to sell merchandise at 9:30 😭. Just accept your fav series has ass writing just to milk its fanbase

@@jimjamjon2285 Funny how none of you complained about any of this back then the point has always been to sell toys lol this fandom is hypocritical and biased as all Hell. You should except that you're high off you ass on nostalgia from that Namekian grass.😂

@@Mandalore_ultimate I’ve criticised DBS a LOT for this exact reason, this isn’t the first time. DBZ felt far more genuine with how it handled power ups and made waaaaay more sense narratively speaking. Most of the power ups in DBS are last second idea’s thrown in with zero thought into how they will affect the continuity of the series. They don’t care about that, they just want to sell merchandise now and then make more hair colours next year. It’s dumb and I can bet we won’t see beast gohan probably ever again or until their merchandise sales figures drop

@@jimjamjon2285 Yet you fail to comprehend that a lot of the original transformations were being made up as Toriyama was writing the manga and were always meant to sell toys. Lol fans like you are the reason that no one respects or takes the Dragon Ball fandom seriously because you show the overall bias and hypocrisy of the fandom.😂

That's why they're so upset lol

Not sure what fans your referring to but this vegeta fan is completely fine. We know Goku and vegeta forms are stronger then gohan’s lol

Gohan is just going to stop training again like he always does and become a puss

Cause they know it's a form Goku and Vegeta can't achieve.

@@sterlingalphonse8503 you know what I’m referring to bro

Well, no. Only ssj2 because he had already unlocked it in the time chamber, so he didn’t have the scope of an ultimate form

He didn't have his ultimate form yet, just super saiyan and ssj2

No he couldn’t because the writers hadn’t thought of this ass pull transformation then 💀. Do you think gohan is a real person or something?

I don't think he could have. That's just an extreme high-ball for that Gohan.

nah i think he needed to mature more n have old kai unlock his ultimate form. since he had to be in ultimate before he went into this form...

Not true

If only the writers cared to have him do anything.

Probably, but he's never gonna use any of it

He literally trains with Piccolo off screen lol what are you talking about?

@Jacob Schooley He did, but he supposedly stopped doing that since Piccolo himself is surprised that Gohan was training. (Not sure how Piccolo wouldn't notice someone that strong training but, Super logic ig)

​@@spritvio639 He clearly trains on his own as well

True but Gohan fanboys are in denial about that 😂

@@Mandalore_ultimate oh I forgot piccolo was on the same level as every other fighter Goku and Vegeta has fought and had any relevance on the power scale before super hero. My bad dragon ball genius

That was Toei written.

@@j04370859 it was stated in the manga too bro y’all really never know what you are talking about huh

@Spoodermans 17 No, he didn't. He just said he was gonna evolve as a human.

Yes!!! Bro Ive been saying this for years, Chi-Chi's explosive temper combined with Goku's saiyan blood IS Gohan