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I don't understand how some people would think Saitama, a man with no formal martial arts training, would beat a guy who dedicated his entire life to it through skill alone

I think we’re in a parallel world where your boy Seth uploads consistently. I’m all for it🙏

People forget that classic Dragon Ball was a heavily inspired by real martial arts series, and it shows in how detailed martial art sequences are presented in the series.

One of my favorite things about the super manga is that it explains ultra instinct MUCH better than the anime by having roshi ask goku "when did martial arts become about who has the higher power level?" And then having him remember all the lessons his previous masters were teaching him which almost all centered around conservation of energy when moving and dodging, honing his martial arts technique rather than his physical power.

Seth getting as many videos as he can in before he goes into hibernation again

I love how people are like, "Ok but who wins without powers" Goku is still a great martial artist and still a big problem without his Ki

Man, Seth's content since his return has taken a huge step up in quality. I feel like the analysis he does now is really just next level.

This needs to be a whole series. Seriously I'm really interested in the next one

I despise how much goku is underestimated when it comes to his martial arts skill. People just think he's a golden monkey shooty blue beam man. He's a martial arts master who has learned from countless masters. He'd also arguably still have the ability of reacting with his body and not his mind, so a ultra instinct sign is theoretically still fundamentally possible even if we grant no powers. Reacting with his body and not his mind has nothing to do with powers, so he'd arguably still have godly reaction.

Goku is VERY adaptable that’s one if his greatest feats in a real world. So anyone who fights him would have to constantly change up very quick constantly.

Goku could keep up with and adapt to martial Arts masters when he was a kid. That was before Korin's training where he could predict how his opponents are going to move by reading their breathing. Or Popo's training where he learned how to make his movements so effecient he can put on a bell and then do a flip without ringing it. Or how by the time we get to the Android saga he has lowkey telepathy can can search people's feelings. He has a huge bag of tricks that have nothing to do with power levels and that's not even factoring it that he's very experienced. Maybe not to the level of Batman but he's been around

Can Seth beat his new cellmate (martial arts only).

...straight up, I actually did learn a little bit about Goku and did gain a little respect for his hands, so well done. I would love to see someone animate Adam West's Batman beating Goku though, it'd be hilarious nonsense.

I swear Seth rly has recently come up with the most creative video ideas that I'm always interested in

Really good take. I never knew that much about Goku's technique and skill. Also great pacing in the video. Overall, another Seth W.

Seth vs allegations who would win ?, find out now on Sethball Z

This highlights my biggest problem with batman. He is not "human" and has not been for a very long time. Half of the things he does are physically impossible for a human regardless of technique or skill because our physiology has built-in limitations. Being smart enough to know where the god-like being moving at light speed is going to punch him won't help when he is being hit a million times before his brain can physically send the signal to his mussels to move. If he can somehow react to that, then by definition he is superhuman and thus no longer "human". It's exactly like his sneaking around superman feats. Superman has been shown to hear beyond dimensions so no amount of skill would make it possible for an actual human to go undetected. batman would somehow have to move without his neurons firing, without his mussels moving, without any internal biological functions occurring and without moving attoms to be that silent and no amount of skill makes that possible.

Please never stop generating creative videos like this, turning shower thought like "what if" questions into actual detailed vids. I swear a Playlist of these would be like drinking crack with cookies.

During Gokus fight with ssj2 Caulifla, caulifla was actually 5 times gokus power level, but even with that he was able to keep up with her while being tired. Edit- she was actually 50x stronger

Kinda wish Seth went over goku's techniques that aren't ki related like the afterimage technique or used statements in the manga and other sources that tell us what fighting style goku uses. It wouldn't change the outcome in the slightest just would've been nice to see.

“Batman has learned martial arts, and so does Goku, but Batman has learned *more* martial arts, so I think he’d probably beat Goku.” - Death Battle, probably

The amount of effort and research that goes into these videos is truly phenomenal! Keep up the awesome vids Seth! :)

Yo, who dis man’s editor cuz manz been posting consistently💀

Cool. I also appreciate how you showed Goku’s martial arts prowess (which is pretty underrated).

You should def do more of these this is a really cool concept

🔥 vid can we get a anime ranking like a top 10 best anime/manga

“That other scenario wasn’t interesting, this one right here is interesting” -Seth lol

Seth posting almost daily is his Holiday gift to us. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO SETH!

all im going to say is, Goku as a child was not infusing his punches with ki and was still one punching full grown men and as a child could keep up with the best martial artist in the world

Batman's Plot Armor >>>>> Goku

You've been killing it lately, Seth! Can't wait to see more

"The Bat vs The Monkey" 💀

I just stumbled upon your channel and I’m extremely impressed with the quality and substance of your work, Seth. Thanks, now I can binge more anime materials.

Seth, idk if this would be an interesting video but I would love to hear your opinion on Granola vs Jiren :) Love the videos btw, you always explore every avenue of these characters. Super Entertaining

i hate that how rare it is to see actual complex technique in comics that feature martial arts so heavily

I feel like Batman's got it given how ridiculous his mastery of martial arts is.

I'd watch this over death battle a million times. Keep it up

Fun fact in the comics Superman lost to Mohammed Ali in a boxing tournament. No I’m not kidding.

I feel like a lot of Dragon ball vs Marvel/DC matchups are often a bit unfair to begin with. Dragon Ball is a series written by one guy over just a few decades with Long breaks inbetween, while Marvel and DC charatcers have been around almost twise as Long with multiple writers who all have different interpretations of the charatcers, ranking from keeping them more grounded and human to godlike and unstoppable people who can beat every character they come across. So the fact that Dragon Ball often loses these matchup shouldnt really come as that much of a surprise

Ultra Instinct is based off of the Japanese term mushin. It's a meditative mental state. Artists, monks and martial artists have all described the act of getting so good at something, you don't think when you do do it. Your body thinks for you. That's mushin.

Movie Dumbledore VS Movie Gandalf, AND just for kicks both book versions against each other

Love your vids, would love a Gurren Lagann scale vid

These fan matchups are great seth! Keep em coming we appreciate your input on topics👍🏾

Love the number of uploads from seth.

If I remember correctly in the manga version of the tournament of power Beerus and Whis comment on Roshi's fighting capabilities saying that it's almost ultra instinct.

Fuck dude thanks for the Budokai 3 background music I haven’t heard that in a minute

We’re in a parallel universe 😭 he’s uploading constantly guys!

I'd love to see more matchups in this context

Man I miss the old tournaments. Nowadays the Z-Fighters just purposefully lose to that clown Mr. Satan

Batman would easily thrash Goku with prep time regardless of difference in power. There are so many methods he could use to crush Goku without ever fighting him directly.

such a great video concept

Bro seth you’ve been killing it man

Seth posting more than a video in a period of 30 days? What’s this? A Christmas miracle?

What a incredible video. Thanks.

Hey, great video! Keep doing great work that you are doing. Hey, would you be willing to do a video analysis of Goku courage and his mindset? Also, if you are willing to do batman analysis, his courage and his mindset are important? These would be great videos.

I feel like Goku takes it at a mid to high diff as I feel like he could adapt to Batman’s fighting styles. EDIT: shit I underestimated how skilled the caped crusader is lol

The biggest thing here that Seth didn't touch on is the size difference. Bats is MASSIVE. And with all that skill and all that mass Goku if both were humans with no powers and stuff is just fighting at a severe disadvantage from the jump. The Wondy and Ares wank is SILLY but just being able to scrap with them and not get his chest caved in on a daily is impressive. Another thing Seth left out is how he scales to the other gods are martial arts in DC. Shiva and Richard Dragon both have reacted to lasers on multiple occasions. And Shiva has the ability to see react learn and counter any strike and technique after seeing it once. And Bats fights them fairly well often. That means that Bats has to throw a different strike every strike or Shiva runs right through him. The power scaling of humans in America cape stories just aren't fair for these types of fights.

Isn’t Goku‘s whole thing to move the most optimally so that no matter how many fighting styles the opponent has, he’ll be able to counter it regardless which negs A high quantity of fighting styles to begin with? Pretty sure it’s said in between Master Roshi and Goku as well

Goku probably copies his fighting styles until he has no more lol

I always find your analysis so interesting and facinating.Good job like usual.

Seth Is on a roll with all these uploads and I’m all for it!

The match we've all been waiting for!

Ultra Instinct, in my opinion, could be used in the context of "only martial arts, no power" as it's just instinctive movements due to Goku's incredible level and knowledge in martial arts, ignoring the godly power boost it gives in Dragon Ball Super

Seth uploading this much makes me feel like I stepped into an alternate timeline.

Loving the stream of videos, keep it up Seth. Wish you all the best!

In this situation of both being just top level human Batman wins due to his skill. What really puts him ahead is his intellect. Everyone always asks the question, when they put Batman against anyone, “with, or without prep time” for a reason. He is a pure human that fights and wins against Gods

Just saying you never came back to the lee situation but I forgive you because the video was still amazing

2:23 yeah, those people weren’t paying attention to what cell said about his battle instincts. I mean, he blatantly stated it. so the people that say he would just be a kickboxer or whatever, aren’t paying attention close enough.

SethTheProgrammer will be well-known as that guy who talked about fictional characters far more than the average person. Thank you, Seth. I will always know that Azathoth isn't the supreme being of H.P. Lovecraft.

My man really managed to get a Rosetta Stone sponsor?! This was in my elementary ciriclulum.😅

Honestly... i wanna see the final batsuit vs goku argument. Said version of batman is so underrated it's ridiculous

Yo I don't care what anyone says, the way Seth breaks down Goku and Batman Made perfect sense and trust me I am a huge Goku fanboy and I 100% agree with this outcome. I wish more people was as clear with there breakdowns of characters or at the very least made sense when doing so, thank you Seth for amazing videos and top tier quality of work we are all glad you're back.

We love the budakai tenkaichi music is peak Seth we love it

I love how unbiased you are with your content. While Goku is insanely gifted and adaptable, batman's entire character is based around using techniques, tools, intuition and intelligence to defeat gods. The only way i see Goku possibly winning is as you said, through submission techniques. However I'm sure batman has techniques to counter those or dislocate specific joints to set himself free etc. Goku can't even use hypnosis or drunken fist because batman has faces similar foes as well. So in about every scenario batman wins.

Did you draw that thumbnail?

I'd be down for a full blown tournament of skill at this type. Especially if it gives light to some Underrated characters in terms of skill (usually due to their strength of other abilities)

*What do we have to do to keep Seth posting on a consistent basis?* 🤔

I honestly think UI counts as a power-up/power in this case, just because UI is used like a transformation later on in the manga. That and UI just gives Goku an INSANELY unfair advantage

How about Goku vs Rimuru ?

I can tell you that Saitama would be put in the ground pretty dang fast. Garou even makes a point to comment on how untrained he is, and easy to read the moves of. His pure physically prowess just makes it impossible to fully react to his moves.

Thank god. An entire video without mentioning Batman’s prep time

Kratos vs Jesus is a meme rn, can we get that as a Christmas video for Jesus’s birthday?

😂😂This man Seth is puttting out bangers dang near every day what is going on

Speaking of Ares and Karate Kid, the two have actually fought and Ares said he was more skilled than himself, being so skilled he could fight an actual god.

Hey @SethTheProgrammer is the thumbnail supposed to hint at a possible Gohan versus robin video?

Never thought he would do this kind of vid

If both were at equal stats, hand to hand only, no amps or amp techniques, and no gadgets………Then Batman folds

yeah this is definetly a fight i would love to see

Seems like an interesting idea at first till you realise Goku modelled his fighting style round his powers, so a regular guy trying to do rock paper scissors style or meteor combination will look silly as fuck or won't be able to do it at all

Did we know Batman would win? Hell yeah. Were we gonna watch to support the boy Seth? Hell yeah!

I think if we give Goku UI Omen it becomes a really interesting and drawn out match. They both have thrown hands with stronger opponents and put in work with just their raw skill, adaptability and precognition countless times. The problem here is that Batman has no super powers to speak of so he'd be at full power where-as many of the techniques and skills that Goku has mastered over his life-time would not be a tool in his arsenal anymore, much of which has been a focus of his training in recent time since he's fighting galaxy level threats; things that would even give Superman a run for his money. Batman is effectively fighting Karate Kid with Saiyan biology and quirks so he's heavily favored to win. Here's why I say that, Goku would be having the time of his life fighting someone as skilled as Bats and even if he saw an opportunity to bring the fight to an early close since there are no established stakes in this scenario (it's not like Bats is going to blow up the Earth or some nonsense) AND given that he's the type of person who LIVES TO BE PUSHED TO THE LIMIT OF HIS ABILITY he would intentionally draw out the fight as long as possible to get the most out of it. Goku is genuinely the type of guy to get his ass kicked and be back after eating a sensu bean asking for round 2 until he's got you figured out well enough that he can can beat your ass. So in a single bout this would almost certainly go to Batman but much like how he has his sights set on beating Beerus, Goku would eventually get the W on Bats even if it took him losing hundreds or thousands of times in the process.

I'm happy someone finally understands how UI works its not that complicated

Seth I don't know you you made the Video about it or not but is it ok if you make a video of who will win a fight between Lobo Vs Doomsday because I'm curious of who will actually win a Fight between them. And also can you make one about who will win a fight between Sora Vs Link and Popeye Vs Squirrel Girl.

Batman actually probably knows more martial arts than goku, but he has shown on multiple occasions he can learn techniques from watching them(not master them but has the physical understanding to emulate them)

Remember his fights with the U6 Saiyans during the TOP, he was exhausted and recovering from his fight with Jiren at the time. Alot of the time he beat them with just raw skill while he was recovering his KI. In a no powers martial arts only fight against Batman he'd have a fair chance. However, the longer the fight draws out, the more overwhealming Batman's advantage would become, and as you may know, Goku likes drawing out fights. Victory'd go to Batman on this one.

Technically goku can use UI in base, since it is originally a technique

Goku mastered martial arts so good he gained powers of angels it's so well he moves without thinking about it lol its so natural its like "Instincts" we also gotta realize goku blitzes batman easily

If Batman was fighting a Goku who doesn't have transformation or kyo ken, then definitely everything Seth has said 100% valid facts. Also Batman has kept up with Superman who has laser eyes, so it would be alright if Goku uses his ki range attacks as long as Batman has full use of his gadgets. Even still, it comes down to Batman only being able to keep up with a base form Goku. Eventually, Goku would be overwhelming Batman simply with his Sayian biology. Goku would be getting stronger as they fight. But if we were to remove that factor from Goku, it would technically be a win for Batman in a full martial arts contest. He has fought and defeated human bases enemy who were physically and combat superior like Bane.

Batman is skilled to the level you could call it parody. In matches like these he pretty much will always win matches like this.