Gore Vidal vs William Buckley Republican Convention 1968 Debate 3 part 2 of 2

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12 жыл бұрын

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@ZipSlipHollingbrook 9 жыл бұрын

Get a room you two!

@Silligk 8 жыл бұрын

Pericles? I knew my Greek history classes would come in handy one day....

@AleisterCrowleyMagus 4 ай бұрын

Gore has the most epic eyebrow raises - also, he gets under Buckley’s skin in such a dramatic way…

@donluchitti 11 жыл бұрын

will someone open the door and let the innuendo out?

@dengelke 6 жыл бұрын

Buckley's smile when calls Vidal 'naughty'.

@ratso69ful81 5 жыл бұрын

It's a thinly veiled reference about Gores homosexuality..

@torosdepamplona 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing like same-sex innuendo in a 1968 political debate to brighten the day. 😂

@andromedastar4900 3 жыл бұрын

Apparently Buckley was really preoccupied with Vidal's homosexuality and what he did with his body. I mean...he sure enjoyed mentioning it and making sly remarks about it. Vidal is always trying to focus on the subject at hand, while Buckley is clearly sitting there the whole time thinking about how he's in the same room with a homosexual person and picturing Vidal's private life in his mind.

@briandelaney9710 Жыл бұрын

@@andromedastar4900 it was Vidal though who was obsessed about the whole contact with Buckley for years after this. He was an intensely bitter man. Look at his performance on the BBC after Obama’s election.

@NYBraveheart Жыл бұрын

@@briandelaney9710 I think their feud lasted as long as Buckley lived. I just watched the interview. It was certainly telling when Vidal says he doesn't know why his answers to Dimbleby's questions would be taken as a statement of reality when he doesn't know who Dimbleby is. Dimbleby says he knows who Vidal is, and Vidal responds: "You're one up on me." Vidal seemed mad at the world, perhaps quite literally. The exchange recalls Buckley's remark that Vidal was not a man who bore his sorrow quietly (whatever that sorrow was).

@NYBraveheart Жыл бұрын

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@AleisterCrowleyMagus 4 ай бұрын

@@andromedastar4900 honestly both Buckley and Norman Mailer, both of whom howled to the moon about how very very very heterosexual they were, spent an enormous amount of time making “jabs” and rather openly fantasizing about what Vidal was getting up to with his male companions. Both Buckley and Mailer seemed quite insecure in this area…

@mrvandergelder 11 жыл бұрын

"We know that you like nothing to sully your lips" Oh snap.

@Cubs1719 4 жыл бұрын

30 years later Vidal was right and Buckley was wrong

@SamvedIyer 2 жыл бұрын

@@Cubs1719 Buckley himself said he was wrong on Vietnam; this was in 1999, when he and Christopher Hitchens turned up to debate the sixties with Peter Robinson.

@reddeserted13 2 жыл бұрын

You will eat it first.

@briandelaney9710 Жыл бұрын

@@Cubs1719 he was wrong on every other subject. That dilettante sort of fashionable liberalism

@roughhabit6496 Жыл бұрын

I don’t recall Buckley saying he was wrong. He said he wished they hadn’t gone in there. There is a distinction. Why even in this clip he laments that the Democrats are profiteering from the discontent of a war they started. You should try and listen.

@Raulbikcube 4 жыл бұрын

Ha! Smith asks for concluding sentences and they give him paragraphs. Love it!

@pietzsche 10 жыл бұрын

Vidal refuses to read Buckley's magazine, Buckley says "You don't like anything to sully your lips" Vidal responds "you'll eat it (his magazine) first."

@5inthehole 3 жыл бұрын

Is he talking about eating the magazine or does “you’ll eat it first” refer to goo-gobbling swallowing?

@pietzsche 3 жыл бұрын

@@5inthehole this was a response to comment that was deleted from 7 years ago so I haven't a fucking clue tbh, but knowing Vidal it was a polite way of saying "eat shit"

@evo5dave 3 жыл бұрын

@@5inthehole 'goo-gobbling swallowing'? Haha. What the hell?

@Reprodestruxion 2 жыл бұрын

@@5inthehole corpophagia re the quality of the rag

@roughhabit6496 Жыл бұрын

And yet at the start of this debate Vidal mentioned the National Review. So much for his convictions.

@JohnnyTubeNYC 8 жыл бұрын

At 00:17 Gore Vidal starts tapping his upper teeth which he often pointed out was a nervous habit of his friend JFK.

@dengelke 6 жыл бұрын

Johnny Stox He did this perceptibly, before our eyes.

@roughhabit6496 Жыл бұрын

The Kennedys didn’t like him.

@philfrank5601 Жыл бұрын

When Americans spoke like Englishmen.

@heiltd1286 4 ай бұрын

When America's upper class spoke like their English counterparts. Educated and cultured men.

@halflifeproductionz Жыл бұрын

How far we have fallen as a people. We have regressed into indecent, shallow, self absorbed savages.

@ter521fad Жыл бұрын

Yes, we have. And that’s exactly what the ruling class has always wanted us to regress into. Because “indecent, shallow and self absorbed savages” are much easier to rule over. Why? Because people like that are guaranteed to never be able to agree or unite on anything. It’s called “divide and conquer.” And it still works and it has always worked and it will continue to work.

@user-ev4rp3qb6x 24 күн бұрын

When you no longer have to think before you say it and just tap a keyboard and make judgment from ignorance……

@00BillyTorontoBill 10 жыл бұрын

hehe, these guys are great. Add hitchens and chomsky and give em foam bats and let them debate free speech....lol

@00BillyTorontoBill 4 жыл бұрын

@gerard dearie worse than conservative... he was a liberal hawk.

@AtticAurel 3 жыл бұрын

oh guys, Hitchens was not conservative, not liberal, and not a hawk. (he wanted the Iraq war, that's about it. A hawk would want at least another 13 wars per month. also because his reasons for wanting the war were left-wing motivated.)

@00BillyTorontoBill 3 жыл бұрын

@@AtticAurel um he attacked some for not supporting the PG war, he supported the bosnia and yugoslavia wars. He' was a hawk

@theengagedfew 10 жыл бұрын

Actually, both were native-born Americans, although Buckley lived in Mexico until around 6, and spoke English as his third language.

@Reprodestruxion 2 жыл бұрын

He’s half British hence the transatlantic accent but he just speaks in circumlocutive circles

@jonathanwebster7091 7 ай бұрын

@@Reprodestruxionboth Buckley’s parents were American by birth and upbringing, so no.

@plumerjr 5 жыл бұрын

How far we've fallen from the days of actual intellectuals debating politics instead of today's mercenary pundits on cable news shouting over each other. I imagine this was the birth(or they at least influenced) these modern debates. They have certainly lost some quality in the last 50 years.

@20david06 10 ай бұрын

Podcasting has retained this, legacy media is legacy for a reason.

@SLSAMG 8 ай бұрын

@@20david06Yeah. Antiquated 😂

@villain7140 7 ай бұрын

@@20david06 Name one podcast worth as much as even a minute of Gore Vidal, with half the intelligence, thought, lack of prejudice and wit as these guys that might begin to merit the word "retained"

@SpriteMinded 11 жыл бұрын

this was fucking histerical

@anjalisharma461 Жыл бұрын

A time when political discourse was so intellectually superior. What biting wit.. Such a pleasure to listen.

@pietzsche 10 жыл бұрын

Buxkley would eat the magazine before Vidal would read from it.

@SimulacraMan 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know Shaggy was such a wordsmith

@tapasyatyaga4041 4 жыл бұрын

It's just a question of time

@gorecassady1632 8 жыл бұрын

Geneva accords

@Fausto_4841 8 ай бұрын

"i have no doubt that there is somebody in Haight Ashbury or Greenwich Village who considers that your character is fetching, well i don't" they don't make burns like this anymore and it's a damn shame.😆

@Reprodestruxion 2 жыл бұрын

In 1929? Large groups of people were judged poor back then

@turquoise770 11 жыл бұрын

i know that was in response to vidal not even wanting to mention buckley's publication, but was the comment a reference to vidal's homosexuality, implying acts he possibly performs that involve his mouth within that lifestyle, and if so what did vidal's reply--"you'll eat it first" mean?

@Cubs1719 4 жыл бұрын

who cares? why not worry about their ideas vs whether or not they eat ass?

@andromedastar4900 3 жыл бұрын

@@Cubs1719 well apparently Buckley was obsessed with picturing Vidal sexually in his mind...he sure loved mentioning it and giving innuendos...it's like he was always thinking about it.

@ricardocantoral7672 6 жыл бұрын

3:26 to 3:31 Buckley was going blow the fuck up !

@cvb777 11 жыл бұрын

I presume it is a reference to certain homosexual acts.

@torosdepamplona 3 жыл бұрын

The reference to Ashbury and the Village, the “naked eye,” “sully your lips,” “you’ll eat it first.” They each knew their history. lol

@kevincrashkelly 7 жыл бұрын

If you watch this, or other Firing Lines, or the Kennedy / Nixon debates, you will see that there was a time these things were not dummy'd down to a 3rd grade level. Even on here I see comments comparing these to boxing or wrestling, which is sad. It's sad that half the USA has never read a single book in 2016. Still, debates, politics and the news should remain smart as opposed to stupid. If you don't understand all the words, maybe you might learn some. I thought George W Bush speeches were aimed at a first grade audience in his keeping the words child like. Trump does not debate, he yells, rants and insults. I would hope we are not going backward into the dark ages again, but it might be possible. I fear people watch too much wrestling and are stupid enough to think it real. I fear people can't separate fake reality shows from reality. The 2016 US debates are the most rude and crude in US History. There seems to be this breed of " Get Er' Done " that laughs at smart conversation and salutes blind stupidity. Most hicks and hillbillies I have met consider ignorance a virtue. I do not. To water down the news so the morons can grasp it is below the level the USA was in the past. If we keep lowering the bar, we may find ourselves the most backwards third world nation ever. The USA can do better because in the past this footage shows we once were better. Listen to Dr King and you may not understand every word, but he was not going to make his speeches stupid for the masses. The phrase ignorance is bliss is wrong. Ignorance is not bliss. These clips show what we were and what we could be again.

@tapasyatyaga4041 4 жыл бұрын

We are going backwards

@kimthompson6686 3 жыл бұрын

I’ll take a good man over “intelligent man anyway. Considering many believe Bush, during his C.I.A days did some awful things (some say he was in Dallas the night before Kennedy’s assassination with Texas oil men and had his fingers in on it), I wouldn’t put him in the class of the most believable characters.

@danaarden8373 2 жыл бұрын

Sadly we have the country the politicians decided they wanted us to have. When a certain segment of society continuously failed to live up to the educational standards that prevailed in 1968, they did the next best thing - to them - and instead lowered educational standards to the lowest common denominator. I have met educators who were incapable of using the English language or reciting facts. There is a tremendous difference between Buckley and Vidal however. Buckley is speaking extemporaneously whereas it's now known that most of Vidal's "spontaneous wit" was carefully scripted, rehearsed and memorized well in advance.

@roughhabit6496 Жыл бұрын

Still haven’t spotted footage of Trump yelling.

@kimthompson6686 3 жыл бұрын

When Vidal says “You’ll eat.it first” is he referencing what I think he’s referencing? (In the light that many believed Buckley to be a closet homosexual?)

@lucianopavarotti2843 6 ай бұрын

Buckley makes by far the most ad hominem attacks in all their debates. Not that Vidal cared.

@gorecassady1632 9 жыл бұрын

Innuendo

@pauljenkins6376 2 жыл бұрын

Did Buckley say "waspish democrats whom like to live there life out in Rome"? What does that mean?

@jaymichaeljoy2685 Жыл бұрын

he was referring to Vidal; Vidal spent much of his time in his home in Italy and was known for a waspish wit

@gary8653 2 жыл бұрын

WFB was a bad ass!

@ABisopht 11 жыл бұрын

well, Gore also just called Buckley a "professional entertainer for the far right..." kinda sounds like a dancer/stripper~ Buckley had to respond accordingly.

@Amethyst_Friend Жыл бұрын

No it doesn’t

@wraithby 10 жыл бұрын

One of Bore Vidal's only truthful statements occurs at 5:49, where he accurately assesses the responsibility of the Kennedy administration for the Democratic party's Vietnam disaster.

@wraithby 8 жыл бұрын

+John Reuter I understand that WFB was a quite accomplished fellow, however I don't believe he was capable of time travel. It would have been impossible for him to be flummoxed in 1968 for events that were to occur in October of 1972.

@wraithby 8 жыл бұрын

+John Reuter WFB had no illusions concerning Nixon. His brother James, Senator from NY, was the first Republican to call for Nixon to resign, long before Goldwater, Baker and other Republican politicians. It was a devastating blow since the sainted James L. Buckley was the most conservative Senator. He did so with the full support and with the urging of his brother Bill. As to the alleged 1968 "October surprise" (in contradistinction to Nixon's 1972 "October surprise" announcing the successful negotiations with North Vietnam)and the political intrigue discovered as a result of illegal Democratic bugging of Nixon's campaign planes in 1968, it's certainly an interesting bit of backroom skullduggery on both sides. However it's characterization as treason is preposterous and in the tradition of Bore Vidal's historical fantasia. I hope you will take the opportunity to educate yourself concerning WFB and Vietnam when liberal Sam Tannehaus's Buckley biography appears n the next year or so.

@5inthehole 3 жыл бұрын

In one of Kennedy’s last interviews he was asked about Vietnam and committing US troops. He never mentions sending US troops but “helping” the South Vietneese with their fight against communism. Kennedy last statement was that they had to decide this for themselves.(interview on Kennedy Compound on The Cape, Massachusetts)

@michaelwalsh2498 3 жыл бұрын

@@5inthehole I suppose Jack was "helping" when he gave the green light for Ambassador Lodge and the CIA to back the coup against South Vietnam President Diem. That act insured that the USA would be mired in the war for the long term.

@5inthehole 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelwalsh2498 -The C.I.A cause many Coups, for many different reasons, without committing the country to war. Diem wasn’t playing ball the way we wanted him to so we bribed his generals to get rid of him. And although it is most likely Kennedy made promises to them if they followed through, it doesn’t necessarily mean Kennedy would have kept his word and sent troops. Just look at history-We also promised Ho Chi Min to free his country from French colonialism if he spied on the Japanese for us. Ho held up his end believing Vietnam would become a democratic nation .But unfortunately, we had to support our French ally.....and we F-cked him. That’s when Ho went to The Russians and cut a deal. The Russians kept their word......

@wehaveasituation 9 жыл бұрын

Buckley was not only a total fraud in very sense, but a genuinely demented and foul character. Every position he advocated has proven false and disastrous, and moreover his basic rudeness and absurdly egocentric narcissism is simply unbearable.

@heraclitusblacking1293 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comment. I agree entirely. it's amazing how quickly he's become irrelevant.

@dominic9983 6 жыл бұрын

His magazine still houses some of most contemptible ghouls in American politics, unfortunately he does have a legacy and it's smeared all over the modern Republican Party.

@bobbywimsy6741 4 жыл бұрын

Nick That is, until Trumpius da Foist, His Imperious Travesty- came along. And Pence, to use Gore's choice description of Reagan, "that triumph of the embalmer's art".

@Graham6762 11 жыл бұрын

Two brits in America that are just here to debate politicals and pontificate to the lowly peons.

@MoeGreensRightEye 6 жыл бұрын

Both were born in the US

@vikrantsubakade9281 6 жыл бұрын

It's obviously meant as a joke

@plasticweapon 5 жыл бұрын

@@vikrantsubakade9281 don't be too sure.

@plumerjr 5 жыл бұрын

@@MoeGreensRightEye both were also World War 2 veterans.

@thomashahn631 4 жыл бұрын

Buckley never served in any military unit; he spent most of the war in Mexico City, trying to undermine the Mexican government - his description of his duties, not mine.

@andremccree8937 3 жыл бұрын

we had some great and elegant speakers like them today, but they were all deplatformed and banned by the left... milo, ben shapiro, molyneux, jordan peterson.

@sallybrookner4158 3 жыл бұрын

Banned by the left? Where? I have no problem viewing them on KZfaq. What is it with the right’s always trying to seem the victim? Distraction from the actual issues I guess. Also wouldn’t put the silly Milo or Ben Shapiro in same class as Buckley and Vidal.