Well..-I've seen Kiyo mount Annie before-I hope she's on birth control! Can't stop mother nature's urge to mate-he's in that time of life for change.

It's the same in the wild. Nothing to do with captivity.

It’s the same in the wild. The younger male who starts changing moves very soon to a bachelor group. They hang and later form their own families. All species do this.

@@klmoll Yep, people put far too much human qualities to these beautiful animals. They say we share 98%dna BUT that 2% makes one hell of a difference 🙌✌️

Chiba---> me either, they own Gentaro...I hope that info is incorrect.

I wish Annie a life without any more harm. She has endured enough. This message is devastating. Poor little grl. In nature the females leave such a mean male. Here the are in an enclosure and forced to stay :( .

I agree Steve.

They need to move Annie before her brother. Shabani has been shown to show interest in her as well.

Primates, like humans, can still get pregnant on birth control. It does occasionally happen. Annie was not penetrated in this video. Males will hump each other (no penetration). Bonobos will have sex as a means of resolving conflict. They will do it with same sex and with their children. Young male chimpanzees and orangutans will simulate mating with adults, even their own mothers. By human standards this would be wrong. By primate standards they are simply just learning and exploring. They don’t have our moral and social constructs.

@@lizzyyork I think once Shabani starts trying to mate with Annie, thats when she gets moved. Thats how I saw it go down in other zoos. Once Dad gets all over the young female, they must move her away from him. I just hope she is ready and mature enough when that day comes.

@@maryeddy4871 She’d likely reject him, so the Zoo staff hopefully would have plenty of time to react. It doesn’t look like dominant male Gorillas push themselves on females without their approval, but an active sex drive in the young female Gorilla might be problematic if not on birth control.

@@paddlefar9175 , Thank you for your comment. I agree with you. Its odd to me t hat as great as Silverback Dads are, as far as mating goes, they don't see it as taboo with their daughters. I'm sure the Zoo Staff is on top of this and they know what to watch for and what to do in this situation. Happy New Year and I appreciate you sharing with me. We can always learn so much from each other and sharing our opinions and thoughts. Thanks for the kind reply.

To build a genetically healthy family, they must be separated. If what you say is true and they are copulating, they are very fortunate that Shabani has not seen them. But, I do agree with the majority, they need to start their own families soon.

@@klmollI watched when they were at there old home, and saw how sexual Shabani was towards Annie. She was constantly trying to get away from him and did her best to avoid him without much success. She spent much of her formative years unhappy and depressed because of Shabanni's behavior which is why I fail to understand or share how folks consider him a good father, I never have! However as many do across species dealing with those circumstances, Annie survived physically and emotionally and for that I'm grateful!

Gentaro wont be leaving Kyoto until he's at least 13, so a couple years yet.

Based on the actions in this video Annie should be moved in with Gentaro or she’s going to be having some deformed babies with her brother. Inbreds

Oh my goodness you did not just say that. Male gorillas leave their family to join bachelor groups in the wild, because the Silverbacks don't tolerate other adult males breeding with their females. This also prevents inbreeding which creates sickly babies. Comparing them to human slaves when these are animals is insane.

Oh my god bxchic. Please please remove slavery jibe. It's nothing like human trafficking. Are you mad?

@@glenndouglas8822 who said anything about human trafficking? Gorillas are separated from their families once they turn a certain age. It's the same thing as slavery💯 Black people were separated from their families and sold off to the highest bidder. Can you even comprehend what i posted🙄

different moms.😊

There is no deep meaning to it. I just cut the shaky scene.

What the actual …? They are brother and sister, did you know that?

Gentaro. Oh my God... Gentare is horny a.f: He even r.pes male babies. He is gruesome: He even tries to hurt his Mother badly, and wants and tries to kill her. He is a pest, will never try to be protective n kind to the weak ones. He needs to be castrated and put into a solo box, or with other males which are elder and way more handy and strong and show him who's boss. Any female or youngster, forced to enďure him, is pure cruelty. Annie had such a sad childhood. There are many males in bachelor groups. She literally can choose. There is no need to torture this nice girl with that nasty perv.

I’m sure she’s on birth control.

I am sure the zoo won't allow reproduction ,so they are ok, they are animals

@@kimgraham9671 So are dogs & breeders don’t breed brothers & sisters.

@@cantoncardcollector1512 the zoo won't let them reproduce I hope and believe the wont

Annie is extremely valuable to the Japan gorillas as she isn't directly related to anyone-it would be a shame if she mated with her own brother (half) but still related-if this happens, you can forget about Gentaro getting her until much later rather than sooner. I hope this zoo has her on BC-we have all been hoping for the best for Gentaro and Annie for several years now.

@@TheFlashyWeasel She’s directly related to not only Kiyo but Rikki, and that leaves in Japan only Gentaro or-too young for now-Kintaro. I think Annie’s keepers know all this and I’m sure she’s on birth control. Letting siblings have offspring is something that stopped 30 years ago. Not to worry!

@@katewaterbaby thank you for that info.👍

Agree. I think ( despite her hard beginning ) Annie will be a loving Mommy. Annie has such a tender heart ( I think she takes after her Dad ) and notice through the years how she loved watching & playing with human kids/babies through the glass.She watched Nene mother Kyo and although that was heartbreaking to me what she must have felt watching her brother get so much protection, affection and love from a mother when she didn't get that, I think there is a very sweet heart in Annie and I do think she will be a good mommy. Daddy and Kyomasa saved her. They gave her so much love and affection and Annie is Daddy's girl, he will always watch over her and protect her. As you wrote, they are experimenting , they must have hormones and urges and learning and figuring things out. But, they have a very special bond and I feel so bad for the parents. I wish there were more babies here because when they move on to make their own families, I cannot imagine the heartache and loss the adults will suffer. Shabani is a wonderful Daddy and loves his Gorilla kids so much. I always felt that Nene is still alive at this age because of Kiyomasa, her little Prince. She still dotes on him and protects him. I think, sadly, when he moves on, it will kill her. There are no kids left to distract them or ease the pain. Then what? Sad. I hope Annie is matched with Sweet Gentaro. Time will tell. We all love these Gorillas so much and I hope they are happy as time goes on.

​@@maryeddy4871 Mary, thank you so much for sharing all your sweet history with this troop! Makes me feel much relieved about Annie’s taking to mothering. Yay! There are actually a lot of us worried about Shabani when he has to part with his dear kids, his whole reason for being. I hadn’t thought about Kiyo’s departure being the end of Nene, but you’re surely right. Although I had wondered, if upon her passing, it would be thinkable to bring in one or two young wives for Shabani, and how that might effect Ai. Or if Ai will be taken off birth control and how that might go with her attitude toward mothering now that she’s older. BUT then, there’s the problem of overseas zoos not wanting to send gorilla ladies to Japan. How did Taipei manage it? What better circumstances do they have, that Japan might strive for? Is it the animal health and welfare regs, or solely the funding set up, and its not being a more lucrative private foundation? So many questions!!! Yet it seems if there are answers out there to be found, maybe we could all be encouraging things in some good direction.

They are half brother and sister. Shabani is dad to them both; Ai is Annie's mom and NeNe is Kiyomasa's mom.

Shabanis is the dad to both

@@Charlotte-r isn’t Nene AI mom

@@cantoncardcollector1512 Yes, that's true. Ai's parents are Nene and Rikki who died in 2003. Both Nene and Rikki were born in the wild - believed to be in 1972.

@@Charlotte-r so the bloodline between Annie & Kiyo is almost 100%