Steel shot vs Lead shot - Go Shooting Shotgun Coaching Videos

Steel shot vs Lead shot - Go Shooting Shotgun Coaching Videos - Series 2 #20

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4 жыл бұрын

This week Russell sheds some light on the performance power of steel competition shot shells compared to those loaded with lead shot.
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@dgoodman1484 23 күн бұрын

All I know about steel is that I sailed the first five ducks I shot at when forced to use it that the dogs couldn’t find. Went home and haven’t shot it since. Good video as it shows why. 👍🏼

@bobwatcham5257 4 жыл бұрын

You have just proved that lead is far superior to steel in all aspects of efficiency both as a clay and game cartridge. Those who want lead banned need to see this video.....

@James28R 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they don’t want it banned for its performance reasons dude.. there needs to be an environmentally friendly alternative to lead, and I don’t think steel is it.

@XAVargasX0206 4 жыл бұрын

@@James28R Yeah, but if you look it up.... Lead is a naturally occurring metal found in small amounts that comes from the earth's crust. I'd be more concerned about people throwing out plastic and garbage than shooting lead pellets from a shotgun.

@LaughingMan44 3 жыл бұрын

@@James28R Lead used in ammunition is hard lead, it barely leaches into the soil/water at all as it forms and oxidized layer which is not soluble. There's a reason we still find 100s of years old lead and cannon ball, roman 'sling-bullets' from 1000s of years ago etc.

@wesrichards6168 3 жыл бұрын

@@James28R Lead is part of the environment, like everything else it comes from the earth. When inhaled as fumes it’s dangerous, when consumed as a solid it’s harmless. It doesn’t poison birds as some would have us believe, it also doesn’t sit on the surface long. It’s heavy so it sinks through mud and lake sediments and is far out of reach for birds.

@mrsmith9079 3 жыл бұрын

@@XAVargasX0206 - Uranium is a naturally occurring metal found in small amounts in the Earth's crust, so is polonium, I can assure you that you wouldn't to consume either of them.

@dtaylor9673 2 жыл бұрын

In the UK we have been forced to use steel on Wildfowl since 1999 and in that time we have learned a great deal how best to use it. The very low density/weight of steel shot must be compensated by higher velocities. I would not consider using a steel cartridge with a speed of less than 1400 fps, even for clays. Shot size must also be increased, No5 shot is now regularly used on clays here. (Not sure if thats allowed in major competions yet) The bigger shot/weight increases penetration, but you do lose some patten. For Game and Duck i use No3 or No1 34/36g loads shot and speeds of 1450/1550 fps. Choke also can be tighter than modified, but there is a risk of ring bulges over time so if you use a high value gun best use modified.

@gregoryshelton1358 2 жыл бұрын

Love the sound of that gun closing.

@pravoslavn 3 жыл бұрын

Empirically based video, which is much appreciated. And VERY well narrated video, and that professionalism is both refreshing and appreciated. ☺

@GoShooting 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@CalaisRider 8 ай бұрын

I thought I read it in some of their writings and rules. I am certainly happy to be wrong on the matter. I'm heading out there today at 12.30, hence will confirm then.👍😁 You do put up some great and very informative videos. Thanks for taking the time to create and posting these.

@GoShooting 8 ай бұрын

Thanks my friend. You may very well be right. I am going there myself next week and certainly intended on using lead shot. I will have to rethink that idea. Appreciate you letting us know

@James28R 4 жыл бұрын

Great, clear and concise video mate, thank you.

@GoShooting 4 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

@kurtricketts1618 Жыл бұрын

Great video Russel, good to see that experiment in a brilliant manner. Keep up the good work mate 👍👍👍

@GoShooting Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it Kurt

@kidyanot 3 жыл бұрын

Top video demo, I’ve used steel shot to cull feral pigeons & it is less effective than lead shot. Thank you for the series of videos.

@GoShooting 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, hope you are well.

@ogstopper 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative, and jolly fair dinkum too!! Thank you!!

@GoShooting 4 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

@journeywithnate834 2 жыл бұрын

Great video - Thanks for making it!

@GoShooting 2 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

@bobwatcham5257 4 жыл бұрын

The best at the moment in the UK are Bismuth and Tungstan Matrix. Fine if you are very rich and certainly no good for banging at clays as you will soon be poor.

@GoShooting 4 жыл бұрын

Certainly not economical substitutes. Thanks for your comments Bob

@unleasheth 2 жыл бұрын

So basically the way I see it steel could be used as a defense round at the very least, for shotguns. If u don't want projectiles over penetrating this makes sense to me. So long as u keep range in mind, but for home defense that's fine cuz ur dealing with less range typically anyhow

@stephenparchewski1998 10 ай бұрын

Good video. Another thing to take into consideration is velocity. Lead shot will retain a higher velocity down range over steel. It’s kind of like comparing a golf ball to a pingpong ball. If you throw both at the same speed, the golf ball will travel further at a faster speed.

@GoShooting 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct

@sdriza 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah - had better luck when I when up a couple sizes with steel shot.... Gonna try bismuth and tungsten next, pricey - but in overall scheme of things?

@Jolly56Roger Жыл бұрын

HI Russell ,Great vid very interesting the difference between lead & Steel ,like you said bigger shot and 28g.Roger UK👍👍👍👍👍👍

@GoShooting Жыл бұрын

Thank you. We are glad you enjoyed it

@rickdavid1795 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks

@GoShooting 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@CalaisRider 8 ай бұрын

Yup I checked with Brisbane Gun Club today when I was over there today and it turns out they are fine with lead shot pellets. Whoops, my bad, sorry.🥴

@alexsharykin5435 3 жыл бұрын

Lead shells 1200 f/s steel shot 1550 f /s

@HerkulesRS 8 ай бұрын

you should try 3.5mm hunting shots with lead and steel. lead usually is about 400m/sec and steel shots 450m/sec. compare those in penetration.

@larsselchaujrgensen6712 4 жыл бұрын

Very good test Russel. However you touch the subject your self. I shoot in a country with steel only ( apart from a few ranges that allows lead in ISSF disciplines) my own OT is steel only. And this the national governing body here, have allowed to shoot OT with shot size 6 and 28 grams. That has almost the same power as the 24 gram lead allowed in ISSF. It could be interesting to do that test. And yes we still shoot the steel through some tight chokes here, no worries as long as shotsize is no bigger than 6 and 28 grams. I honestly think manufacturers cover their bases with the no more than half choke. If not, some one would go full choke with BB and 42 grams.

@GoShooting 4 жыл бұрын

Hello Lars, I hope you are well. The penetrating power of steel on short range targets is adequate, but for your second barrel at Olympic Trap, long range sporting targets or even targets that are hard in composition, in my opinion, steel 7 1/2's wont cut it. I understand the situation you face in your country. 28 grams of 6 shot would help (but as you know that amount and size are illegal in ISSF). IF steel becomes mandatory then targets will need to be made softer and thrown closer if the same scores are to be realised. Handicap shooters in American Trap or DTL are kidding themselves with steel loads.

@larsselchaujrgensen6712 4 жыл бұрын

I can honestly say I have no issues with second shot ( steel, no 6 24 gr).albeit a mediocre recreational shooter I have no stakes in it. Some of the guys I shoot with are seasoned shooters, ( participants Seoul olympics ). And they are not complaining. And the good shooters often get 25. They would all prefer lead, but not due to the breaks, but the less recoil. This weekends local competition ( 28 guns). Lowest final score was 110 highest 119. All with steel shot. Not international standard, I know but also the Danish trap community isn’t that big ( and not many regularly score MQS). All targets was thrown according to ISSF regulation. Don’t get me wrong, majority would shoot lead if we could. But after a lead ban since 1996, we have grown accustomed to it.

@wesrichards6168 3 жыл бұрын

@@larsselchaujrgensen6712 Give is a video on your shoots and setup, a lot of people would be interested.

@weissrw1 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent. I have heard too that lead and steel string out differently which might make some difference. If you know anything on that subject, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

@GoShooting 4 жыл бұрын

From what I gather the effects on shot string are more manipulated by choke size than the weight of the pellets. I will see what we can find out.

@weissrw1 4 жыл бұрын

@@GoShooting At shotshell.drundel.com I found this quote: "Lead shot, which is easily deformed upon firing, develops a relatively long, large-diameter shot string. Steel shot, because it is three times harder than lead, stays round, and develops a shot string that is 50-60% shorter and 60-70% narrower than lead."

@sevencolours3281 4 жыл бұрын

Very beautiful video

@GoShooting 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@jaredwhite489 9 ай бұрын

Lead has weight. Weight is momentum.

@dannyboy7130 3 жыл бұрын

is either deadly?

@alexsharykin5435 3 жыл бұрын

Steel shot you have to use 2 numbers plus number 7 lead should be number 5 steel

@GoShooting 3 жыл бұрын

Please don't use large steel shot with anything more than modified choke

@colt10mmsecurity68 8 ай бұрын

Great video! I hate steel shot, but for hunting, it’s what we in California are mandated to use exclusively. 😡🤬😡

@lianelson9109 Жыл бұрын

Hi Russel, when you say some manufacturers do not recommend using above half choke with steel shot... they wouldn't recommend going tighter or more open than a modified?

@GoShooting Жыл бұрын

Yes mate, half choke maximum. Some do not recommend full or even 3/4 (improved modified) especially with the larger shot often used in recreational hunting for larger birds.

@riverrivers250 3 жыл бұрын

steel bb or 1 shot,, for geese and mallards

@alexsharykin5435 3 жыл бұрын

I drop big Canadian geese with BBB Steel shot 70 plus yard. Is same Like European size 0 Lead

@ric6706 3 жыл бұрын

Hi! Do you know of any serious study made that proof that lead shot is that bad? ...or a study that shows the effects of lead on the ground if compared to steel shot?

@GoShooting 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know of any study that shows lead shot has done any serious damage

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

@@GoShooting 95 percent of London's customer side water services are made of lead ,and have been that way for the last 100 odd years , the fittings to repair them are still being manufactured till this day ,,,,,if lead was that bad dont you think something would have been done about it , a freind of mine still has about 5 no6 pellets in his leg from a unfortunate incident when out Ferreting with a .410 in 1984 hes still hail and hearty. Good video mate

@pringlematt 2 жыл бұрын

I found this informative. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5161761/

@alexsharykin2578 Жыл бұрын

For steel shot use 2 numbers Up

@GoShooting Жыл бұрын

Careful what choke you have in your barrel. Many manufacturers do not recommend and more choke than modified when using steel

@alimeselmany5009 10 ай бұрын

Is hardened steel same as steel?

@GoShooting 9 ай бұрын

No idea!!! I guess there are different degrees of steel hardness

@martinhambleton5076 Жыл бұрын

The evidence is there. Irrespective, in the UK, steel is being forced, and narrative reigns supreme with experts and a unanimous lack of knowledge or practical thinking, based on scientific facts. The World War One battle fields have been completely bypassed, with both lead and steel being in the ground for over 100 years. This is a backdoor attack on shooting itself, I feel. Enjoyed your video. Thank you.

@jeansandmyshirt 8 ай бұрын

No wonder I can't kill any ducks with legal steelshot 😂

@l2p58 3 ай бұрын

For bird hunting that it always better to prioritize steel even if it’s performance are less than lead. Lead is toxic and will contaminate the meat you eat, the carcasses you left behind that other animals will eat and be contaminate as well, water too is susceptible to be contaminated. You can adapt if you were using #7 lead you can try #6 steel to compensate for the lesser density of the steel.

@richardgray4369 2 жыл бұрын

At 1250 fps in steel its little better than useless, up it to 1500 fps + and its a different ball game. Unfortunately this exceeds CIP regulations so no commercial manufacturer will go there.

@ljp200 Жыл бұрын

They do make that, just not for your area. In Denmark I can buy 600M/S ( 1900fps.) shot if I wanted, anything less than 400m/s (1300fps.) is elligal to use while hunting. Steel has other limits than Lead and all these tests are pretty irrelevant when they do not take the differences in material into account. We have had no issue using steel for 30 years here, and many of us are wondering what the hell the fus is about.

@gergodrabik6208 3 жыл бұрын

What about copper? Copper is no alternative? It is more dense than steel and stil no as hard. also not cheap but I guess way more cheaper than bismuth or tungsten...

@GoShooting 3 жыл бұрын

I guess its only the cost that holds some of these metals back. You could argue gold is quite heavy also, but unrealistic to use.

@johnweyn7679 2 жыл бұрын

Stalowe gówna nie srut.pozdrawiam z Polski

@CalaisRider 8 ай бұрын

Yeh this is all well and good for theory, but at the Brisbane Gun Club and also Sporting Shooters Brisbane it is apparently illegal to use lead shot and Steel shot is the required product. No Options - I do not agree with the rule but unfortunately that's how it is.

@GoShooting 8 ай бұрын

Brisbane Gun Club uses steel shot? Since when? Are you sure?

@vastaiko Ай бұрын

If someday they forced us to shoot olympic trap with steel shot probably the right shell it will be 24 gram. shot size 6.

@rudyelizondo1935 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid, wow steel is useless for hunting??? Well with a modified choke, I will be using a full choke from now on

@GoShooting 3 жыл бұрын

I would advice sticking with the Mod choke, but going up in shot size instead. Many manufacturers wont honour a warranty above Modified choke when steel shot is used

@wesrichards6168 3 жыл бұрын

Follow the advice on steel, full choke will have you buying a new gun.