When I was Mormon I didn't know the goodness of God but when I met Jesus I continue day after day to taste the goodness of God. Praise Jesus 🙏💕

The Bible is a book that people Hate and love. it's a book that condemns the sins that you love, but it also has the power to transform your heart to hate the sin that you once loved. There's no other religion that holds a candle to the gravity of God's Word. "I know of no other true story where the hero dies for the villain, and we are the villain." - C.S. Lewis

The young man doesn't even know if he could be a goat. Many walk down the path that leads to destruction but only a few walk down the path leads to eternal life.

Seeing how the Mormon was talking in the beginning, it seems like they’re getting sneakier and trying to sound a lot more like Protestants so they’re better received. I almost thought he was some weird mix of Protestant and Mormon until the discussion progressed

This kids going to school to be a lawyer. I'd put money on it.

“Because it comes from a prophet of God.” That’s a big red flag. As a former Mormon fundamentalist. The moment I started studying other religions I learned quickly how other “prophets of God” twisted scripture to their own destruction. Once you discredit the word of God, you lose all accountability for these so called prophets. The only way to know if I prophet is from God is to test him with scripture that was revealed formerly. The New Testament is so clear that we need to beware of false prophets

The Question: why do most Calvinists have beards and tattoos? The tattoos and beards are an attempt to look as masculine as possible, which is a component of their creed. At the beginning of their history, Calvinist ministers grew beards in an effort to increase their authority when they preached by appearing like old testament prophets. Basically, it's to enhance their authority by image, because their authority isn't divinely inspired. The Old Testament prophets and the authors of the Old & New Testament are the ones typically credited as being divinely inspired. All others must pass the test of a prophet to be validated as such. One such test: 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. Deuteronomy 18:22 Obviously, beards and tattoos are not validating in that regard. Beards and tattoos also don't validate masculinity. They work to enhance the image of masculinity. It is entirely possible for a feminine man to appear masculine by having a beard and tattoos. It's all for show and nothing wrong with it. Leviticus 19:28 was condemning ancestor worship and the like.

I was rescued by the providence of God out of the religion of Mormonism after being devoted to it for 37 years. Now, as a born-again Christian, I consistently hear Latter-day Saints make the express claim that it’s “by the grace of Jesus Christ alone that I am saved,” all the while blatantly ignoring the LDS canonical Article of Faith that conditions one’s salvation “through obedience to [Mormonism’s] laws and ordinances.” The official LDS Church website also states, “The Atonement is the sacrifice Jesus Christ made to HELP [emphasis added] us overcome sin, adversity, and death.” Note that in Mormonism, Jesus only provides the “help” while the actual overcoming of sin and death is on the head of the individual. This is widely accepted to mean that a Latter-day Saint must prove themselves worthy of God’s acceptance, day in and day out. In Mormonism, as I know firsthand, Jesus is just a partner and stepping stone toward salvation. Yet in Biblically accurate Christianity, I’m completely surrendered to what Jesus Christ has already accomplished in spite of my sin nature, and I live in extreme joy and gratitude that I have permanent peace and rest with God, because the gift of salvation was freely given to me even when I don’t deserve it. And it’s out of my gratitude and God’s Divine transformation of my soul that obedience to God commands flows.

The more he talks the more you hear the deception. 😢

So the LDS guy's point of view is by "grace and try" and be saved at some point in the future. The Biblical view is saved by Grace thru Faith

Love your work big-time. The audio this time although wasn't great, it was still much better. One thing that on a different subject. Their has never been any archeology, written or scientific evidence at all of any of kind whatsoever of any of the places and happenings of the Mormon book . Christianity has both scientific, archeology, even geology and writings upon thousands. That's a good point to bring up. Xx love from Australia

His heart is very hardened, but still praying for him 🙏🏻

what about Christ’s own words - “go and sin no more,” “if you love me keep my commandments” - of course obedience and effort is an expectation. I find it interesting that Christ’s own words in the New Testament are never mentioned in these debates by Apologia Utah, only Paul.

Bless you bro Andrew … Soli Deo Gloria

Make sure you stick around for the last 10 minutes! Also, if he speaks too fast put on half speed! 😅

Take a shot every time this kid says 'right?' impossible challenge.

Without lies, Mormonism dies.

NGL… The Mormon won the debate. Glad yall still posted this though! I hope you fellow Christian’s will keep searching for truth.

I hate that Calvinism’s lies ruined this convo.

Hi Apologia Utah, would you guys like to debate the trinity doctrine? Let’s set it up

LDS dont believe in The Trinity I hope this will help them and others study this out. The Trinity Explained: The Bible speaks of the Father as God (Phil. 1:2), Jesus as God (Titus 2:13), and the Holy Spirit as God (Acts 5:3-4).The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. For example, since the Father sent the Son into the world (John 3:16), He can not be the same person as the Son. Likewise, after the Son returned to the Father (John 16:10), the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit into the world (John 14:26; Acts 2:33). Therefore, the Holy Spirit must be distinct from the Father and the Son. In the baptism of Jesus, we see the Father speaking from heaven and the Spirit descending from heaven in the form of a dove as Jesus comes out of the water (Mark 1:10-11). In (John 1:1) it is affirmed that Jesus is God and, at the same time, that He was “with God”- thereby indicating that Jesus is a distinct Person from God the Father (1:18). In (John 16:13-15), we see that although there is a close unity between them all, the Holy Spirit is also distinct from the Father and the Son. The fact that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons means, in other words, that the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father.The personhood of each member of the Trinity means that each Person has a distinct center of consciousness. Thus, they relate to each other personally - the Father regards Himself as “I,” while He regards the Son and Holy Spirit as “You.” Likewise, the Son regards Himself as “I,” but the Father and the Holy Spirit as “You.”he Personhood of the Holy Spirit is neglected. Sometimes, the Spirit is treated more like a “force” than a person. But the Holy Spirit is not an it, but a He (see John 14:26; 16:7-15; Acts 8:16). The fact that the Holy Spirit is a Person, not an impersonal force (like gravity), is also shown by the fact that He speaks (Hebrews 3:7), reasons (Acts 15:28), thinks and understands (1 Corinthians 2:10-11), wills (1 Corinthians 12:11), feels (Ephesians 4:30), and gives personal fellowship (2 Corinthians 13:14).“There is no other God besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other” (Isaiah 45:21-22; see also 44:6-8; Exodus 15:11; Deuteronomy 4:35; 6:4-5; 32:39; 1 Samuel 2:2; 1 Kings 8:60).

This young man is on a very scary path!! Wow!! I would never think or say what this young man has said on this video. I pray he find the real Jesus Christ and leave that blasphemy cult.

That's scary, 17 million humans deceived and headed for eternal like in hell. I can't stand living in Utah. It's so isolating.

I've been a Mormon for over 40 years, having converted in my 20s. I must say that after watching this video, I have seen the light and will drop out. I have NEVER seen anything like it. In all the anti-Mormon books I read all those years ago that I found in the Christian book stores, and all the people online over the years who have tried to get me to see the light and drop out of the church, THIS VIDEO here has changed my life and I now realize how WRONG I have been and will drop out and inform the others that the Mormon church is totally wrong. Thank you so much!

That Mormon destroyed you! His sound logic made you look foolish, like you didn’t even know what true Christianity was about. Jesus’s whole mission was about telling people they need to repent and forsake their sins and follow him. The only way to truly show that you accept Jesus and follow him is to do the works he had commanded people to do. The Mormons have a better and more true understanding of this concept.

You gentlemen have more patience than me. This fast talker has upped his game from the average Mormon. May Christians see this and know how much more they are to study to show themselves approved. This is the battlefield, know The Word!

But to the one not working but trusting upon the One who is justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned unto righteousness (Romans 4:3)

“I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength.” Philippians 4: 13. ❤. One condition: You must have the “true” Jesus. Not Satan’s spiritual brother! 😂😂😂

Mormonism, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), incorporates both faith and works in its theology. Mormon doctrines on the necessity of works and ordinances for salvation are supported by both the Bible and their additional scriptures, such as the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. Here are some key scriptures from both the Bible and LDS texts that emphasize this belief: Bible: (James 2:17, 26)"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.""For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (Matthew 7:21)"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (John 3:5)"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (Philippians 2:12)"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Book of Mormon: (2 Nephi25:23)"For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." (Alma 34:32-33)"For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end." (Moroni10: 32)"Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God." Doctrine and Covenants: (D&C82:10)"I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise." (D&C 130:20-21)"There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated-And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated." (D & C 58:42-43)"Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more. By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins-behold, he will confess them and forsake them." Pearl of Great Price: (Articles of Faith1: 3)"We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel." Some Key Points: (Grace and Faith:) The LDS Church teaches that Jesus Christ's atonement provides the means for salvation and eternal life, which cannot be earned by human efforts alone. This aspect aligns with many other Christian denominations' views on grace and faith. (Works:) While grace is central, Latter-day Saints also believe that good works are essential. They interpret biblical passages such as (James 2:17) ("faith without works is dead") to mean that true faith is demonstrated through actions. (Ordinances and Covenants:) Specific religious ordinances (such as baptism, confirmation, and temple ceremonies) are considered necessary for salvation. Members are also expected to keep covenants, or promises made to God, as part of their faith practice. In summary, works and faith are a part of the LDS Organization. It is not a Christian Church, and Jesus is another God of many. If you are LDS, I love you and pray you search the Scriptures without all that other junk and pray to the True God the Triune One of the bible and ask for forgiveness and become truly born again. God bless!

I love watching these videos because it shows how the LDS church hides their True beliefs, at first they run around the question, like "will you be worshiped like God" it took him a while to explain it but yeah he believes that he's going to be a god! Wow. I also found it funny that the Mormon thought he had a couple of gotcha moments that got rejected 😅 😅

Respect bro ! Just found your channel ! Nice work !

Based on his age, knowledge, and belief in grace through Jesus, I think his days in the LDS church are numbered. He doesn’t believe the same as the church teaches. Fast forward 5 years, and this guy is a heck of a pastor somewhere. At least that’s the potential I see.

The Calvinist siphons everything through the lens of Calvinism and the Mormon siphons everything through the lens Mormonism.

Even though the lds is wrong i respect him

This young man is in denial of what is taught in the temple endowment ceremony. Hymns are songs of worship and a favorite mormon hymn is Praise to the Man.

Subscribed bros 👊🏼

Fellow Mormons watching this video, please keep the faith. Stay strong.

I couldn’t imagine being a Calvinist. They are so sure the know everything. They can’t even understand the concept of god the father and his some Jesus Christ.

Thanks!

All I hear him say over and over again is “strawman” then goes on a calvanism rantzz

Got hostile at times, but for the most part it was a good exchange. Young Mormon man held his ground, but the Protestant made some important points.

I enjoy these videos.

“Faith alone” A verse found no where in the scriptures, it’s ironic to have one church calling another church lost when they themselves are lost! I pray for all peoples!

“I’m baptist.” Just come out and admit that you’re calvinist. Just own it.

Ex Mormon here. If you want to help reach Mormons, a better strategy is to shave the beard and dress in a suit like they do since their minds are automatically conditioned to judge you simply because of your casual appearance. Just my thoughts. Anyway, keep up the great work.

This kid held up well. At least he believes what he's saying. Sometimes i see Mormons come on here that have faith, but mostly to the fear of opposing what they believe. This kid really does believe what he's saying.

Always warm fuzzies in the heart

Thinking about the beginning of the video where the LDS gentleman said Mormonism is not a works-based religion and that one gets to heaven ‘only through the grace of Jesus Christ’. My question for him would be: Have you received that grace? If the answer is ‘not yet’, then grace is really not a free gift. If his answer is ‘yes’, then my next question for him would be: So then can you say with certainty that when you die, you will go to heaven to live with God the father forever? If his answer to that is not a definite ‘yes’, then it does sound like a different gospel that it’s not truly about grace.

Does anyone wonder why Religion after Religion is so Divided? Any Religion that Believes in Christ is a Christian, Example.. Catholic, evangelist, Mormons, Baptists, Christians, Muslims, Jewish, They are all Christians, And every one of them has such different views on Jesus, I believe that Jesus is perfect and very protective shepard to us all, people really need to follow him and his word, and block out rest. There is such a lack of info in the Mormon church, that they are unable to answer any of the hard Questions, they begin to panic, and instead of researching they become angry or offended.

The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the lords church. The spirit is the true teacher!

The young man stated in the beginning that he doesn't know exactly what the evangelical beliefs are. So how can he even speak that his position is correct when he hasn't understood the other perspective?

This pastor does not look thrilled to admit he is a Calvinist.

Brad Wilcox yuck

Looking forward to joining you guys tonight!

Hey Andrew, I've got a question to ask you. I am an active Latter-day Saint. It has to do with DEUTERONOMY 18. I just want to be 100% crystal clear about something. According to DEUTERONOMY 18, are you saying that if a prophet gives a prophecy or even a "statement " about a specific event that will happen and it is recorded and written down on paper and that prophecy or statement never happens, this qualify them as a false prophet. Is that a correct assumption?

I'm surprised apologia even shared this after that total beat down. Lol a LDS proves Apologia is false teachings is what this title should be 😅😅😅

@37:34 😂😂😂 Gotta catch them riding dirty!!!

I don’t like the way the person filming is so contentious. He sounds like he has a lot of hate in his heart and just wants to cause any contention he can, I do not feel the spirit when he speaks. The Mormon had him on many good points and I am going to look more into Mormonism now!!

At around 7 minutes this Apologia preacher starts losing his temper.

Isn’t it sad that he’s so haughty & doesnt want the truth??!! Are there any videos showing a mormon actually listening & then turning away from JS & all his false teachings?

Every religion is a work based religion. Even Evangelicals believe you have to confess Jesus. They believe you have to DO something. I’ve never received a good answer from an Evangelical on this point.

Wow. he talks so fast like a lot of Muslims 🙈 yikes

lets talk

Apologia are always preaching the gospel of Paul and not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why are they so afraid of what Jesus Christ said? Hmmmm?

Calvinism doesn't make sense and equates to a cruel and unjust God. Calvinism as well as this guy is a victory for Satan .

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and it’s prophets never led anyone after false gods.

if you were to count every time this young man says, "...right?" after he gets done making a point, you would probably end up with a number with more digits than pie.

The Calvinist got cooked and it’s so obvious. He changed the conversation to the next anti point like multiple times, trying to see which one he can catch him on. The kid does pretty well of keeping out of his wanna hear answers and explaining it back to him using “all scripture”. Obviously neither is perfect but the scales are tipped for sure.

great conversation!

Apologia criticise this LDS member for “trying to make himself holy”. The Bible says 1 Peter 1:15-17, 1 John 1:7.

The Mormon is much more sophisticated and knowledgeable in his beliefs. The “evangelicals “ are pompous and all they can do is proof text quote the Bible. What is their motivation to stand there so self righteously and judge. Especially if they are calvinists since that theology clearly states that god has already planned the whole thing out. So there’s no reason to try to change someone’s mind, since God has already caused everyone’s belief systems and they have no opportunity to change if God hasn’t caused it. I can’t understand why this dignified young man subjected himself to this evangelical abuse.

I wish ya’ll had a church in Logan UT

Redheaded beard guy seemed to get pretty flustered. Probably isnt used to people calling him out on his fallacious arguments!

How come the Mormon god don’t have us worship his creator

Is he on Adderall or cocaine? Calm down bro.

Book of Mormon was written by man, so it is not perfect.

The young man can only know of Jesus from the Bible, not another source. The life of Christ is only found in the Bible. The prophecies of Jesus are only found in the Bible. The revelation of Jesus is only found in the Bible. Luke 24:27 & 31 ESV And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself... 31 And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight. Luke 24:44-47 ESV Then he said to them, "These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." [45] Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, [46] and said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, [47] and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

He’s hard to understand. Doesn’t enunciate and tries to speak so quickly.

Doesn’t matter how much you pray about it if you only look to man’s doctrines and gospels…and so then you use your own standards, feeling, and opinion to decide just what, and how much of God’s inerrant and infallible word you’re going actually believe and follow. False Christ, false gospel=Mormonism….

We are a Trinity made in Gods image. Man is 1 . God is 1. God is a Trinity. Its very simple. Man... Body Soul Spirit. God.... Father Son Holy Spirit. Very Simple. If you dont believe this your following a Jesus does not Save and a God that does not exist. Period.

It is arequirements to have a long beard just like Jeff durbin?

Apologia are preaching the gospel of Paul again and not the gospel of Jesus Christ. When Paul talks about grace over the law he is talking about grace over the mosaic law not grace without faith without obedience to the commandments that Jesus Christ himself taught needed to be kept; Matthew 19:7, Matthew 25, Mark 16:16, John 3:5.

This guy has a very poor understanding of Calvinism and I’m pretty sure he talks fast on purpose. I bet he was a successful missionary because of all the fast talking.

If your lens of how you view the Gospel of Jesus Christ is Modern Revelation then you don't know the Gospel. It's only thru the Bible where it is explained. One's lens must be the Bible. Not another testament of Jesus Christ, not a man that's a false teacher or prophet, or even an angel.

I think casting doubt on the Bible (God’s Word) is the worst thing the LDS church does. Evil.

This one was tough to watch.. I fully disagree with LDS doctrine but this kid had his receipts and had an answer for everything. From my perspective it looked like Andrew met his match.. LDS doctrine is wrong and derives from a false prophet but I think this Mormon kid takes the W on this one

If you are talking about the trinity, you are not talking about scripture.

Matthew 19:7, Matthew 25, James 2:17-26, 1 John 1:7 paints a completely different gospel than the evangelical obsession with quoting Paul. Follow Jesus Christ first and then you will understand Paul better.

Christ doesn't ever teach about the trinity. Prove me wrong.

Bro apologia got cooked 😂😂💀💀

If he (the young man in the suit) would only listen for a bit. 😬🥺

This is amusing both the Calvinist and The Mormon, both use doctrine that is not based in scripture but of men. it’s like the ignorant preaching to the ignorant.

You can live whatever religion you want its a free country You call yourselves Christians but yet you kick down your brothers? Heres an idea live the gospel of peace Instead of criticizing the church you can work with them and do some good to lift others But no you rather belittle peacful happy people of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints not Mormons We serve Christ We are Christians Honestly grow up bully tactics are not Christlike behaviour

How do you help this kid? I guess just keep speaking scripture and challenge his beliefs?

Apologia criticise this Latter Day Saint for relying on his feelings. What does the bible say?; Luke 24:32, 1 Corinthians 12:3.

Assuming the phrase “As God now is, man may become” implies that everything that happens to God will happen to man is shortsighted and illogical. For example, Do all humans have the same experiences in life?

They’re both wrong

Personally, I thought this seemed like a contest to see who could spout their bullshit with a higher level of cockiness. I will say this, however- Even though I'm an agnostic, the Mormon idea of God raising us up to be Gods like himself seems a lot cooler than whatever nonsense you believe.

The LDS guy cooked him

Just listen...gish gallop gish gallop gish gallop. Apologia take a L